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FOLKS ITS TIME TO PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT (OR THE CD DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU GO TO ENJOY YOUR SOUL MUSIC)

AFTER A VERY LIVELY DEBATE AT BRIGHOUSE RITZ ON FRIDAY NIGHT ABOUT BEING INVITED TO DJ WHERE THEY USE CD'S, AT THE RISK OF LEANING ON AN OPEN DOOR...... IS IT

1. RIGHT TO ACCEPT THE INVITATION TO DJ, EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL PLAY VINYL? (HYPOCRITE)

2. REFUSE, MAKING UP SOME LAME EXCUSE FOR NOT ACCEPTING? (BEING A PUSSY)

3. REFUSE, STATING THAT SOUL NIGHTS YOU DJ AT SHOULD BE VINYL ONLY? (TRADITIONALIST, WILL NOT USE THE WORD ANORAK)

4. WHO CARES ( JUST READ IT AND DONT POST REPLY!)

IF No 3 IS YOUR CHOICE PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION...

HAVING NO CONTROL OVER WHAT TYPE OF VINYL YOUR GUEST DJ'S BRING, DO YOU INVITE DJ'S YOU KNOW WILL ONLY BRING ORIGINAL RECORDS? BEAR IN MIND NEARLY EVERY DJ DOING THE ROUNDS THESE DAYS (EVEN THOUGH THEY WONT OPENLY ADMIT IT) HAS ACETATES THAT ARE CUT OFF CD'S OR TOO PRICEY TO AFFORD THE REAL ONE. (A GUY IS KNOCKING THESE OUT WITH REPRO LABEL SCANS ON) VERY IMPRESSIVE I MIGHT ADD! (CONCIENCE TIME)

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Soul matters to Soul people. Live long & prosper.

THE GREAT CD & SOUL SWINDLE

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EXTRACT TAKEN FROM THE AYCLIFFESOULCLUB SITE......

FOLKS ITS TIME TO PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT (OR THE CD DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU GO TO ENJOY YOUR SOUL MUSIC)

AFTER A VERY LIVELY DEBATE AT BRIGHOUSE RITZ ON FRIDAY NIGHT ABOUT BEING INVITED TO DJ WHERE THEY USE CD'S, AT THE RISK OF LEANING ON AN OPEN DOOR...... IS IT

1. RIGHT TO ACCEPT THE INVITATION TO DJ, EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL PLAY VINYL? (HYPOCRITE)

2. REFUSE, MAKING UP SOME LAME EXCUSE FOR NOT ACCEPTING? (BEING A PUSSY) 

3. REFUSE, STATING THAT SOUL NIGHTS YOU DJ AT SHOULD BE VINYL ONLY? (TRADITIONALIST, WILL NOT USE THE WORD ANORAK)

4. WHO CARES ( JUST READ IT AND DONT POST REPLY!)

IF No 3 IS YOUR CHOICE PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION...

HAVING NO CONTROL OVER WHAT TYPE OF VINYL YOUR GUEST DJ'S BRING, DO YOU INVITE DJ'S YOU KNOW WILL ONLY BRING ORIGINAL RECORDS? BEAR IN MIND NEARLY EVERY DJ DOING THE ROUNDS THESE DAYS (EVEN THOUGH THEY WONT OPENLY ADMIT IT) HAS ACETATES THAT ARE CUT OFF CD'S OR TOO PRICEY TO AFFORD THE REAL ONE. (A GUY IS KNOCKING THESE OUT WITH REPRO LABEL SCANS ON) VERY IMPRESSIVE I MIGHT ADD! (CONCIENCE TIME)

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Soul matters to Soul people. Live long & prosper. 

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Not another CD-Vinyl debate.

This has been done to death on here.There are numerous threads on the site regarding this.Everyone ends up agreeing to differ.

But that's just my humble opinion

Cheers

Pete

Edited June 21, 200519 yr by petebangor

the site has a very good search facility. You will find many debates on cd/vinyl opinions. I believe most people will not want to get involved in another debate of such.

Shane

the site has a very good search facility. You will find many debates on cd/vinyl opinions. I believe most people will not want to get involved in another debate of such.

Shane

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I'm going to blame Gene for starting them, it wasn't me honest!

why not record yr vinyl on to cd ..best of both worlds

  Not another CD-Vinyl debate.

This has been done to death on here.There are numerous threads on the site regarding this.Everyone ends up agreeing to differ.

But that's just my humble opinion 

Cheers

Pete

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DONT WANNA UPSET ANYONE WITH THIS DONE TO DEATH TOPIC, MORE A QUESTION/DILEMA???? FOR THE DJ'S REALLY.

THE GREAT CD & SOUL SWINDLE

AFTER A VERY LIVELY DEBATE AT BRIGHOUSE RITZ ON FRIDAY NIGHT ABOUT BEING INVITED TO DJ WHERE THEY USE CD'S, AT THE RISK OF LEANING ON AN OPEN DOOR...... IS IT

1. RIGHT TO ACCEPT THE INVITATION TO DJ, EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL PLAY VINYL? (HYPOCRITE)

link

the site has a very good search facility. You will find many debates on cd/vinyl opinions. I believe most people will not want to get involved in another debate of such.

Shane

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No, it wasn't a cd/vinyl debate. Dukester is asking a different, though related question.

My own policy is vinyl only, and when i ran soulnites down here we only booked guests that we knew would only play off original vinyl. However, I also occaisionaly guest DJ at the 'local' type nites that play off re-issues/boots (and imo if they are boots etc they may as well be off CD) and that is the perogative of those promoters (it used to piss me off but doesnt any more; without these local events the soul scene would not be where it is today).

Becasue my own policy is vinyl only. it does not make me a hypocrite DJing at these events as long as I stick to my policy and only play off original vinyl.

So do, what you want to do, DJ where you want - as long as you remain faithful to your personal beliefs you can not be accused of being a hypocrite. All IMO, which is right of course

ORIGINAL VINYL = ONLY WAY

CD's = CHANCER

DONT WANNA UPSET ANYONE WITH THIS DONE TO DEATH TOPIC, MORE A QUESTION/DILEMA???? FOR THE DJ'S REALLY. 

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You being a DJ/Promoter/International Superstar Dukesy, where do you stand on the matter?

We both know of guys and events that we've played at where boots have been played.

I've played boots when I first started out. I was given some records and didn't really have a clue what I was doing, the latter part is still very accurate today

Now I'm more aware, I try to do things a certain way. Not everyone agrees, and no-one ever will.

People 'collect' and 'DJ' at different levels and that is reflected in their opinions on this subject.

I do things my way, I'm not concerned about anyone else

See you soon fella,

Jamie

So do, what you want to do, DJ where you want - as long as you remain faithful to your personal beliefs you can not be accused of being a hypocrite. All IMO, which is right of course 

link

I agree with Dave on the above.

ORIGINAL VINYL = ONLY WAY

CD's = CHANCER

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I'll be doing my Clive Owen impressions this Friday!

No, it wasn't a cd/vinyl debate. Dukester is asking a different, though related question.

My own policy is vinyl only, and when i ran soulnites down here we only booked guests that we knew would only play off original vinyl. However, I also occaisionaly guest DJ at the 'local' type nites that play off re-issues/boots (and imo if they are boots etc they may as well be off CD) and that is the perogative of those promoters (it used to piss me off but doesnt any more; without these local events the soul scene would not be where it is today).

Becasue my own policy is vinyl only. it does not make me a hypocrite DJing at these events as long as I stick to my policy and only play off original vinyl.

So do, what you want to do, DJ where you want - as long as you remain faithful to your personal beliefs you can not be accused of being a hypocrite. All IMO, which is right of course 

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Spot on Dave,

I only play original vinyl because that's my choice. Where I promote there is never a CD player set up (except in the modern room). If DJ's used boots or reissues thats up to them. As has been said thousands of times on here the dancers dont give a sh1t. I have played at venues where both CDs and boots are regularly used thats for the promoters to decide when I get booked they understand they wont be getting the same old same old but even I have enough original stock oldies to suit most venues.

THE GREAT CD & SOUL SWINDLE

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EXTRACT TAKEN FROM THE AYCLIFFESOULCLUB SITE......

FOLKS ITS TIME TO PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT (OR THE CD DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU GO TO ENJOY YOUR SOUL MUSIC)

AFTER A VERY LIVELY DEBATE AT BRIGHOUSE RITZ ON FRIDAY NIGHT ABOUT BEING INVITED TO DJ WHERE THEY USE CD'S, AT THE RISK OF LEANING ON AN OPEN DOOR...... IS IT

1. RIGHT TO ACCEPT THE INVITATION TO DJ, EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL PLAY VINYL? (HYPOCRITE)

2. REFUSE, MAKING UP SOME LAME EXCUSE FOR NOT ACCEPTING? (BEING A PUSSY) 

3. REFUSE, STATING THAT SOUL NIGHTS YOU DJ AT SHOULD BE VINYL ONLY? (TRADITIONALIST, WILL NOT USE THE WORD ANORAK)

4. WHO CARES ( JUST READ IT AND DONT POST REPLY!)

IF No 3 IS YOUR CHOICE PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION...

HAVING NO CONTROL OVER WHAT TYPE OF VINYL YOUR GUEST DJ'S BRING, DO YOU INVITE DJ'S YOU KNOW WILL ONLY BRING ORIGINAL RECORDS? BEAR IN MIND NEARLY EVERY DJ DOING THE ROUNDS THESE DAYS (EVEN THOUGH THEY WONT OPENLY ADMIT IT) HAS ACETATES THAT ARE CUT OFF CD'S OR TOO PRICEY TO AFFORD THE REAL ONE. (A GUY IS KNOCKING THESE OUT WITH REPRO LABEL SCANS ON) VERY IMPRESSIVE I MIGHT ADD! (CONCIENCE TIME)

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Soul matters to Soul people. Live long & prosper. 

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DUKESTER,

New to the site and IMO The soul clubs/soul nights should be vinyl only and if invited to dj at soul nights that use cd you should tell them its witchcraft and they will be burnt at the stake. Everyone tells me how good Drax is, dont care how full it is I wouldnt touch it with a bargepole!!! CD's are the order of the day, a no no as far as im concerned, stay true to your Soul, think of the people who have searched countless record, second hand, junk, charity shops over a great number of years to find the sounds that make it all worth while, not just going to HMV and the likes to buy them all on a little silver thing, hiring a venue, advertising a soul night, taking your hard earned cash, and pretending to be a dj with the tools of the devil.

Promoters with decks only please

looks like we got another cd/vinyl debate

shane

Spot on Dave,

I only play original vinyl because that's my choice.

Exactly.

And promotors can make their choice based on that.

Simple really

DONT WANNA UPSET ANYONE WITH THIS DONE TO DEATH TOPIC, MORE A QUESTION/DILEMA???? FOR THE DJ'S REALLY. 

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What's acceptable in a DJs box - https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...wtopic=5000&hl=

LP trax / CDs... https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...owtopic=603&hl=

looks like we got another cd/vinyl debate 

shane

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may have shane, probably cos some people didnt read the opening question/post.

DUKESTER,

New to the site and IMO The soul clubs/soul nights should be vinyl only and if invited to dj at soul nights that use cd you should tell them its witchcraft and they will be burnt at the stake. Everyone tells me how good Drax is, dont care how full it is I wouldnt touch it with a bargepole!!! CD's are the order of the day, a no no as far as im concerned, stay true to your Soul, think of the people who have searched countless record, second hand, junk, charity shops over a great number of years to find the sounds that make it all worth while, not just going to HMV and the likes to buy them all on a little silver thing, hiring a venue, advertising a soul night, taking your hard earned cash, and pretending to be a dj with the tools of the devil.  

Promoters with decks only please

link

"Ladiesman",

I collect and occassionally play a bit of original vinyl, but tend to think each to his own and have stayed out of these type of debates in the past.....as has been said, most dancers don't give a shit.

However you have steamed in and singled out one particular event, the promoters of which do not come on here, for criticism.

To add a bit of perspective, the soul event at Drax was started by and for a few mates who wanted to hear a bit of music without travelling. It has never been heavily promoted and the guys do not pretend to be big name DJs. A mixture of vinyl and CDs is played and entry originally cost £2 of "hard earned cash". Recently this has been raised to £3 as the event has become very popular and the organisers now have a guest DJ.

The atmosphere here is always friendly and people go to dance and have a good time....very little bolotics! I know for a fact that Drax has introduced, and reintroduced, a lot of people to the scene , some of whom have then ventured further afield...perhaps even to venues you approve of!

I personally have no problem with the set up at Drax when you compare it to the "name" DJ's who play boots and one headline DJ I saw this weekend playing an entire set off CDs.....but nobody jumps in to name him, do they?

As for the people who have searched for rare vinyl.... yeah, good on 'em

But does that benefit the artists or production company? Some might argue that playing, for example, CDs bought on the Kent label repays in some small way the originators of the music!

Regards,

Dave

bang on dave!

Shane

Dave, I tried to use Drax subjectively last year on a thread last year and got shot down in flames.

I know the guys who run it too, pretty well infact, and they don't try and kid to be anything else.

Decent blokes just putting on a night without taking it too serious

Jamie

Dave, I tried to use Drax subjectively last year on a thread last year and got shot down in flames.

I know the guys who run it too, pretty well infact, and they don't try and kid to be anything else.

Decent blokes just putting on a night without taking it too serious

Jamie

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Well said Jamie, I started to attend Drax on a regular basis just after it started and have always had a good time there, I have also done several guest spots when I only play vinyl out of choice not out of any disagreement about the policy of playing CD's.

The majority of people who I know that go to Drax really don't care about the medium the music is played on as long as they are having a good time.

it has also been responsible for reintroducing people back onto the scene and who now attend other venues throughout the country, me included

Well said Jamie, I started to attend Drax on a regular basis just after it started and have always had a good time there, I have also done several guest spots when I only play vinyl out of choice not out of any disagreement about the policy of playing CD's.

The majority of people who I know that go to Drax really don't care about the medium the music is played on as long as they are having a good time.

it has also been responsible for reintroducing people back onto the scene and who now attend other venues throughout the country, me included  

link

Hi Jimmy,

were you the guy playing at the last one, on the 11th?

Dave

"Ladiesman",

I collect and occassionally play a bit of original vinyl, but tend to think each to his own and have stayed out of these type of debates in the past.....as has been said, most dancers don't give a shit.

However you have steamed in and singled out one particular event, the promoters of which do not come on here, for criticism.

To add a bit of perspective, the soul event at Drax was started by and for a few mates who wanted to hear a bit of music without travelling. It has never been heavily promoted and the guys do not pretend to be big name DJs. A mixture of vinyl and CDs is played and entry originally cost £2 of "hard earned cash". Recently this has been raised to £3 as the event has become very popular and the organisers now have a guest DJ.

The atmosphere here is always friendly and people go to dance and have a good time....very little bolotics! I know for a fact that Drax has introduced, and reintroduced, a lot of people to the scene , some of whom have then ventured further afield...perhaps even to venues you approve of!

I personally have no problem with the set up at Drax when you compare it to the "name" DJ's who play boots and one headline DJ I saw this weekend playing an entire set off CDs.....but nobody jumps in to name him, do they?

As for the people who have searched for rare vinyl.... yeah, good on 'em

But does that benefit the artists or production company? Some might argue that playing, for example, CDs bought on the Kent label repays in some small way the originators of the music!

Regards,

Dave

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Perhaps I was a little quick in naming Drax as a venue, but let me say this then to all CD playing soul venues.....NO!!!!!!!!!!!! and if they dont want to travel should get together at home and play their cd's at home and name the headlouse dj who played off cd come on most of you are thinking it I go to venues far and wide to listen/look at the great records played by good dj's on the soul scene, (isnt that what the soul scene is about collecting/playing/looking at quality vinyl soul music????) or can you say to the cdj lets have a look at the cd you just played The beauty for me is the record itself, label etc. But lets agree to disagree, you have your point I have mine, and mine will never change

Perhaps I was a little quick in naming Drax as a venue, but let me say this then to all CD playing soul venues.....NO!!!!!!!!!!!! and if they dont want to travel should get together at home and play their cd's at home    and name the headlouse dj who played off cd come on most of you are thinking it  I go to venues far and wide to listen/look at the great records played by good dj's on the soul scene, (isnt that what the soul scene is about collecting/playing/looking at quality vinyl soul music????) or can you say to the cdj lets have a look at the cd you just played   The beauty for me is the record itself, label etc. But lets agree to disagree, you have your point I have mine,  and mine will never change

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what a load of crap. If you feel so strong why dont you go to drax and let your feelings be known to the punters. They would put you in a straight jacket and throw you in the back of a windowless van within minutes!

the scene is much bigger than you think with many people having totally different views. Drax is a social venue that does not pretend to be anything so give them a break. I have been once and doubt i will return many more times because its not my cup of tea. However, the nice people in there are having a good time so leave them to it. They are not doing anything wrong really? The drax team do not pretend to be anything alse than what they are.

Your views are not shared by the paying public so why interfere?

Also I can not understand why it bothers you? There are more than enough quality rare soul venues playing rare vinyl.

i also hope you realise that your opinons will not affect one thing with regards to drax. The next event will be packed with people having a good time without regard for your pointless politics.

Shane

Perhaps I was a little quick in naming Drax as a venue, but let me say this then to all CD playing soul venues.....NO!!!!!!!!!!!! and if they dont want to travel should get together at home and play their cd's at home    and name the headlouse dj who played off cd come on most of you are thinking it  I go to venues far and wide to listen/look at the great records played by good dj's on the soul scene, (isnt that what the soul scene is about collecting/playing/looking at quality vinyl soul music????) or can you say to the cdj lets have a look at the cd you just played   The beauty for me is the record itself, label etc. But lets agree to disagree, you have your point I have mine,  and mine will never change

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Be nice to know "who's" posting .... unless of course you've got a personal gripe with Drax or it's promoters and are using this forum to do so behind the safety of a psuedonym "username" ....

Who are you, where are you from and where do you go.... most new members introduce themselves first rather than diving in with two "ranting" posts....

Edited June 21, 200519 yr by vaultofsouler

Perhaps I was a little quick in naming Drax as a venue, but let me say this then to all CD playing soul venues.....NO!!!!!!!!!!!! and if they dont want to travel should get together at home and play their cd's at home    and name the headlouse dj who played off cd come on most of you are thinking it  I go to venues far and wide to listen/look at the great records played by good dj's on the soul scene, (isnt that what the soul scene is about collecting/playing/looking at quality vinyl soul music????) or can you say to the cdj lets have a look at the cd you just played   The beauty for me is the record itself, label etc. But lets agree to disagree, you have your point I have mine,  and mine will never change

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My point was....why single out Drax?

There are plenty of venues where cd's/boots are played....if they all stopped there would be a LOT less soul nights to choose from.

It wasn't a case of just not wanting to travel....some people with young families are not able to go miles from home!

I go to venues far and wide as well, but I don't try to dictate to others where thay should go and what they should hear.

Who the fcuk do you think you are to say "they should get together at home and play their cd's"????

I notice you don't mention dancing in the list of reasons for travelling. That's what most people go to Drax to do!!!!

Judging by the number of ranting smilies, you must be on some pretty fearsome come-down!

Dave

(that's my real name, BTW)

Hi Jimmy,

were you the guy playing at the last one, on the 11th?

Dave

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Hi Dave, no that was Snowy, a great spot as well

I attend soul nights/nighters every week sometimes twice a week. I more times than not attend the more upfront venues by choice. I love it!

When I attended drax for the first time a few months ago I knew what to expect really. I knew it was oldies based and they played cds and vinyl. What I didnt expect was a fantastic venue that was packed out upon our arrival at 8.30pm. The dancefloor was rammed at 8.30pm! The atmosphere was excellent!

Why should anyone want to see the end of this event is beyond me. It doesnt offer what i require from a soul night hence the reason I probably wont attend again. However it is a vital part of a lot of peoples lifes who live nearby drax. Its serves the purpose of those people who want to forget about the shit week they have just had and have a good time.

To me I only have a problem with events like this when you get some head honcho on here spouting how his or her event is the biggest and best. I am not naming no names but you get my drift

Shane

My point was....why single out Drax?

There are plenty of venues where cd's/boots are played....if they all stopped there would be a LOT less soul nights to choose from.

It wasn't a case of just not wanting to travel....some people with young families are not able to go miles from home!

I go to venues far and wide as well, but I don't try to dictate to others where thay should go and what they should hear.

Who the fcuk do you think you are to say "they should get together at home and play their cd's"????

I notice you don't mention dancing in the list of reasons for travelling. That's what most people go to Drax to do!!!!

Judging by the number of ranting smilies, you must be on some pretty fearsome come-down!

Dave

(that's my real name, BTW)

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I attend soul nights/nighters every week sometimes twice a week. I more times than not attend the more upfront venues by choice. I love it!

When I attended drax for the first time a few months ago I knew what to expect really. I knew it was oldies based and they played cds and vinyl. What I didnt expect was a fantastic venue that was packed out upon our arrival at 8.30pm. The dancefloor was rammed at 8.30pm! The atmosphere was excellent!

Why should anyone want to see the end of this event is beyond me. It doesnt offer what i require from a soul night hence the reason I probably wont attend again. However it is a vital part of a lot of peoples lifes who live nearby drax. Its serves the purpose of those people who want to forget about the shit week they have just had and have a good time.

To me I only have a problem with events like this when you get some head honcho on here spouting how his or her event is the biggest and best. I am not naming no names but you get my drift 

Shane

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Very well put, Shane.

As you know it's not altogether the type of music I want to hear all the time, but as you say the atmosphere and friendliness is unmatched IMHO.

So much so that I'll drive the 90 miles every now and again just for "a good night out"

It would be interesting to know just how many people have been introduced/reintroduced to the scene through the efforts of Richard, Julie and the rest of the team....all very unassuming people!!

Regards,

Dave

PS The one thing about the oldies at Drax is that there are a lot of what I would call Cleggy oldies, which you only tend to hear on the East side of the country.....Jamie?

Edited June 21, 200519 yr by Dave

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What???

What???

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he was lost for words after that rant from top UK actor Grant Michelin (who is about as good as his dads tyre firm )

shane

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A few of us in east herts have been peddling a soul and ska do at the Hertford Marquee Club for about a year now. The DJ policy is vinyl only, although by my own admission this limits my playlist considerably. I stopped buying vinyl when prices soared. I think the real problem is the non affordability of the records.

Sure I agree our scene has been built on vinyl but if your only DJ'ing outlet is a small local do, spending vast sums on original vinyl records will not be for everyone. There will always be big name DJ's and collectors on the scene and I, for one, would not be without them but trying to compete with these guys paying hundreds of pounds for singles is way beyond my pocket.

When you think that you can pay a tenner for a CD that might, conceivably contain 30 tracks worth £300 each do the math, how many of us can spend £9000 on records. Boots, acetetes and LP's are an option but even these mediums are frowned upon in certain quarters.

Summing up I think the big do's with the big DJ's will always be there for those that want a vinyl only policy but at the more parochial level of our scene such as our do and the one described at Drax I can't help but feel that the attendent crowd's enjoyment is paramount and the audio medium should be an irrelevance.

You being a DJ/Promoter/International Superstar    Dukesy, where do you stand on the matter?

We both know of guys and events that we've played at where boots have been played.

I've played boots when I first started out. I was given some records and didn't really have a clue what I was doing, the latter part is still very accurate today 

Now I'm more aware, I try to do things a certain way. Not everyone agrees, and no-one ever will.

People 'collect' and 'DJ' at different levels and that is reflected in their opinions on this subject.

I do things my way, I'm not concerned about anyone else 

See you soon fella,

Jamie 

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HEY UP KID, OW YA DOING, SORRY FOR THE DELAY, MEETING AT WORK, THEN COULDNT GET BACK ON THE BLOODY SITE FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON

WELL THIS HAS TURNED OUT TO BE A LIVELY ONE, GETTING SCARY NOW!!! CANT WE ESCAPE THE MORONIC PERSONAL COMMENTS??

IM A VINYL ONLY MAN AT SOUL DO'S, HAVING SAID THAT ITS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHAT HE CHOOSES TO PLAY, IF I GET INVITED TO A VENUE AND THEY PLAY CD'S AS LONG AS I PLAY FROM MY BOX IM HAPPY. YOUR RIGHT, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO SOMEONE WILL ALWAYS HAVE CONTRARY OPINIONS.

I DJ AT A LOT OF SCOOTER EVENTS AND IF THERE IS NO STAGE AND IM ON THE DANCEFLOOR AREA I WILL GET OUT THE CD'S ( THE DANCING GETS QUITE EXCITABLE YOU KNOW!!) BUT THEN AGAIN ITS NOT JUST SOUL MUSIC ON THE SCOOTER SCENE.... I DIGRESS.

ONE COMMENT IS CORRECT ON ONE POST, THE LOCAL DJ'S WHO WANT TO DJ AT YOUR EVENT, MAY BRING BOOTS, RE ISSUES AND THERE GOOD GUYS SO LET THEM DO IT.....THIS BRINGS UP ANOTHER POINT PEOPLE WILL SLAG OFF "THE VENUE" FOR ALLOWING THIS ( NO WINNERS IN THE END)

IVE MET THE GUY AND HIS GOOD LADY WHO RUN DRAX AND ALL THEIR EFFORTS SEEMED TO HAVE RESULTED IN A SUCCESFUL SOUL VENTURE, AND LONG MAY IT CONTINUE.

ONE FURTHER POINT JAMIE, MATTY SAYS HE HASNT BEEN ON THE SITE COS HE CANT REMEMBER HIS PASSWORD/USER.... BUT WATCH THIS SPACE.

KEEP YA CHIN UP

looks like we got another cd/vinyl debate 

shane

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Then don't bother reading it

BEAR IN MIND NEARLY EVERY DJ DOING THE ROUNDS THESE DAYS (EVEN THOUGH THEY WONT OPENLY ADMIT IT) HAS ACETATES THAT ARE CUT OFF CD'S OR TOO PRICEY TO AFFORD THE REAL ONE.

Soul matters to Soul people. Live long & prosper. 

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I'd disagree with this statement more than any of the rest. Anyone is welcome to look through my DJ box and if you find any acetates cut off CDs, or acetates of records that I can't afford you can quite happily publicise the fact to the whole world and then hang me in a corner of the venue by the neck until dead.

And I'm sure most other DJs on this site would say the same. To quote Mark Bicknell from another post " If you ain't got it, don't play it"

Very well put, Shane.

As you know it's not altogether the type of music I want to hear all the time, but as you say the atmosphere and friendliness is unmatched IMHO.

So much so that I'll drive the 90 miles every now and again just for "a good night out"

It would be interesting to know just how many people have been introduced/reintroduced to the scene through the efforts of Richard, Julie and the rest of the team....all very unassuming people!!

Regards,

Dave

PS The one thing about the oldies at Drax is that there are a lot of what I would call Cleggy oldies, which you only tend to hear on the East side of the country.....Jamie?

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Gotta agree Dave, Shane & Jimmyw,

Richard, Julie, Phil and his good lady are a great bunch. Do you see them on any sites proclaiming to be the biggest & best?

No, they just get on quietly running their night and providing a good nights enjoyment for a lot of people.

I have a lot of close friends who attend this venue for the social side and for a good nights dancing.

We just have got to accept that people enjoy 'Soul' on different levels. How we choose to enjoy it is down to personal preference. I just can't see the point of getting all ranty over people who just enjoy dancing to the music , whatever the medium - do you think they give a shit what you think? They'll think you're a fcuking loony!!!

Jamie

(Dave, you're right about the Cleggy stuff getting played - why do you think my old man likes it there so much??)

Jamie

I'd disagree with this statement more than any of the rest. Anyone is welcome to look through my DJ box and if you find any acetates cut off CDs, or acetates of records that I can't afford you can quite happily publicise the fact to the whole world and then hang me in a corner of the venue by the neck until dead.

And I'm sure most other DJs on this site would say the same. To quote Mark Bicknell from another post " If you ain't got it, don't play it"

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Does this mean I can check your box when your on at our Ponds Forge do on the 8th July .... and when your not looking slip in summat/owt that should'nt be there then after hanging you keep the said box ....

NO .... ah well.... I'll agree with you on the "nearly every DJ doing the rounds" response then Dave

Does this mean I can check your box when your on at our Ponds Forge do on the 8th July .... and when your not looking slip in summat/owt that should'nt be there then after hanging you keep the said box   ....

NO .... ah well.... I'll agree with you on the "nearly every DJ doing the rounds" response then Dave

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Is it the 8th July when I'm on at PONDS FORGE ?

Good plug mate

Is it the 8th July when I'm on at PONDS FORGE ?

Good plug mate 

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Was but a gentle reminder Dave .... not that you'd forget after a fair few summer boozy nights ....

THE GREAT CD & SOUL SWINDLE

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FOLKS ITS TIME TO PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT (OR THE CD DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU GO TO ENJOY YOUR SOUL MUSIC)

AFTER A VERY LIVELY DEBATE AT BRIGHOUSE RITZ ON FRIDAY NIGHT ABOUT BEING INVITED TO DJ WHERE THEY USE CD'S, AT THE RISK OF LEANING ON AN OPEN DOOR...... IS IT

1. RIGHT TO ACCEPT THE INVITATION TO DJ, EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL PLAY VINYL? (HYPOCRITE)

2. REFUSE, MAKING UP SOME LAME EXCUSE FOR NOT ACCEPTING? (BEING A PUSSY) 

3. REFUSE, STATING THAT SOUL NIGHTS YOU DJ AT SHOULD BE VINYL ONLY? (TRADITIONALIST, WILL NOT USE THE WORD ANORAK)

4. WHO CARES ( JUST READ IT AND DONT POST REPLY!)

IF No 3 IS YOUR CHOICE PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION...

HAVING NO CONTROL OVER WHAT TYPE OF VINYL YOUR GUEST DJ'S BRING, DO YOU INVITE DJ'S YOU KNOW WILL ONLY BRING ORIGINAL RECORDS? BEAR IN MIND NEARLY EVERY DJ DOING THE ROUNDS THESE DAYS (EVEN THOUGH THEY WONT OPENLY ADMIT IT) HAS ACETATES THAT ARE CUT OFF CD'S OR TOO PRICEY TO AFFORD THE REAL ONE. (A GUY IS KNOCKING THESE OUT WITH REPRO LABEL SCANS ON) VERY IMPRESSIVE I MIGHT ADD! (CONCIENCE TIME)

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Soul matters to Soul people. Live long & prosper. 

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THE GREAT CD & SOUL SWINDLE

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EXTRACT TAKEN FROM THE AYCLIFFESOULCLUB SITE......

FOLKS ITS TIME TO PUT THE RECORD STRAIGHT (OR THE CD DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU GO TO ENJOY YOUR SOUL MUSIC)

AFTER A VERY LIVELY DEBATE AT BRIGHOUSE RITZ ON FRIDAY NIGHT ABOUT BEING INVITED TO DJ WHERE THEY USE CD'S, AT THE RISK OF LEANING ON AN OPEN DOOR...... IS IT

1. RIGHT TO ACCEPT THE INVITATION TO DJ, EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL PLAY VINYL? (HYPOCRITE)

2. REFUSE, MAKING UP SOME LAME EXCUSE FOR NOT ACCEPTING? (BEING A PUSSY) 

3. REFUSE, STATING THAT SOUL NIGHTS YOU DJ AT SHOULD BE VINYL ONLY? (TRADITIONALIST, WILL NOT USE THE WORD ANORAK)

4. WHO CARES ( JUST READ IT AND DONT POST REPLY!)

IF No 3 IS YOUR CHOICE PLEASE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION...

HAVING NO CONTROL OVER WHAT TYPE OF VINYL YOUR GUEST DJ'S BRING, DO YOU INVITE DJ'S YOU KNOW WILL ONLY BRING ORIGINAL RECORDS? BEAR IN MIND NEARLY EVERY DJ DOING THE ROUNDS THESE DAYS (EVEN THOUGH THEY WONT OPENLY ADMIT IT) HAS ACETATES THAT ARE CUT OFF CD'S OR TOO PRICEY TO AFFORD THE REAL ONE. (A GUY IS KNOCKING THESE OUT WITH REPRO LABEL SCANS ON) VERY IMPRESSIVE I MIGHT ADD! (CONCIENCE TIME)

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Soul matters to Soul people. Live long & prosper. 

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GOT TO BE VINYL , NO C,D PLAYER AT MY DO'S & NO BOOTS ON MY MY SPOT,

KEEP IT REAL EVERYONE, THATS WHY WE ARE THE MASTER RACE.!!!!!

Summing up I think the big do's with the big DJ's will always be there for those that want a vinyl only policy but at the more parochial level of our scene such as our do and the one described at Drax I can't help but feel that the attendent crowd's enjoyment is paramount and the audio medium should be an irrelevance.

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Hear hear.

This debate goes round and round in circles.

The punter should be the number one priority though.

Anyway, if it were all 'original vinyl only', we'd never get to hear Frank Wilson

GOT TO BE VINYL , NO C,D PLAYER AT MY DO'S & NO BOOTS ON MY MY SPOT,

KEEP IT REAL EVERYONE, THATS WHY WE ARE THE MASTER RACE.!!!!!

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HMMM, was recent debate on EMS (essential modern soul) regarding stuff being played off mp3s, DAT & someone even suggested doing there spot from home via there pc!

Think this thread is gonna run for a while....

Anyway, if it were all 'original vinyl only', we'd never get to hear Frank Wilson 

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Well I suppose that would be one plus point

Well I suppose that would be one plus point

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On this one Dave, i agree

And the debate does go on....

One interesting point Dave A made and everyone has just flown by was the tolerance towards local dos playing what they want, not something I would have bought into back in the day, but on last few years have realised they do have their place in todays scene, (or should that be scenes as still think there are at least 2 separate scenes!!), as somebody else said, you can choose not to go!

Oh well off to bed after listening to my latest r&b cd (2005 r&b not 1955 ), but obviously its never to be played out..... oh shit there goes the debate again!!

Cheers

Jock

CD's i have loads of em'...records i have a few... as Jock said two scenes, choose how you do it, how you present it and how you enjoy it? Enjoy being the key word, live gigs i choose authentic USA original 45's format, home entertainment and some of the Solar radio gig yes i play CD's and why not some blinding stuff out there to ENJOY and share, take the new Kent CD......wonderful should be on everyone's shelf, but to play Ty Karim - 'You Just Don't Know' for example at a gig off the CD for me is a no no, double standards perhaps but i guess the reason i don't do this is because there are other DJ's who have the Romark original and that's the ethic and ideals some DJ's hold at the bigger national events.

Something that Brian Rae said to me many years ago which makes sense is that be it a reel to reel tape, cassette tape. LP,45 original or otherwise,CD etc. are simply a carrier of sound and does it make people any less a soul fan if they embrace any format which produces the sound, yes there are moral and legal issues regarding bootlegs etc. but this is not the issue here, i also believe that you don't have to own the big ticket originals to get the same high from the music infact i have friends who don't own a single 45 yet they have more soul in their little fingers than most.

Yes it's fantastic having a nice selection of quality originals to select from but to also have the music preserved for the future on CD giving everyone the chance to ENJOY the music we are all suposed to love has to be a good thing, i for one hardly play the rare stuff at home on a regular basis apart from the radio show and of course at the gigs.

On a final note who are we to judge people who present such venues as Drax and the format they use, as it's already been said if you don't agree with their methods then you don't have to go, Mr Rimmer, myself and many other DJ's simply choose to do it our way down the authentic route.

I have thought about this a great deal and have very much made a U - turn to my previous comments on similar posts, it's an honour to be part of this scene and to have access to the music we love on formats other than the real deal is simply awesome, it's a bit like saying if you don't own the originals then you can't possibly like the music or be part of it.......which in a word is total bollocks because if i sold up all the 45's i would still love the music...i guess it's about having soul as well as owning it. It might be a scene based on rare hard to find records but it ain't an exclusive club for those who own all the big records is it? it's the life blood sure, the roots and backbone as it's record driven but records rare or otherwise are played to take people to another place an emotion which we all need.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

CD's are crap. They skip. Get yourself an Ipod(skip free), plug it into the back of the mixer and you've got a million tunes at your fingertips. Via this medium, I shall be playing all of Ady, Keith and Butch's big coverups/acetates from the last 5 years down the 100 Club on Saturday.

Request whatever you want. I'll probably have it at the touch of a click wheel...... There's some Prince and Rod Stewart's "The Motown Song' on there as well if anyone fancies a bit of a change around 7am.

HMMM, was recent debate on EMS (essential modern soul) regarding stuff being played off mp3s, DAT & someone even suggested doing there spot from home via there pc!

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We were talking about an internet radio show from home on the PC, not doing a gig from from the PC.

I can just imagine in the future when people turn up with laptops - 'oh no mate, you shouldn't be playing off that G5 iBook, you should be playing off an original Sinclair ZX Spectrum' and there'll be all dealers sat round the edges with boxes of original 128k floppy disks.

Roger

And the debate does go on....

One interesting point Dave A made and everyone has just flown by was the tolerance towards local dos playing what they want, not something I would have bought into back in the day, but on last few years have realised they do have their place in todays scene, (or should that be scenes as still think there are at least 2 separate scenes!!), as somebody else said, you can choose not to go!

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This is absolutely right and must be the equivalent of youth club days of bootlegs and compilation LPs. Happy days, whats the problem? I used to laugh at stories of clubs playing CDs with a couple of records spinning round for effect, but in fact as long as they aren't dishonest/misleading about it who cares. I wouldn't be bothering to turn up muself but then that means it has absolutely nothing to do with me.

I've got all reasonable suddenly, bah! :angry:

What on earth is Dodger on about?

CD's are crap. They skip. Get yourself an Ipod(skip free), plug it into the back of the mixer and you've got a million tunes at your fingertips. Via this medium, I shall be playing all of Ady, Keith and Butch's big coverups/acetates from the last 5 years down the 100 Club on Saturday.

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That's obviously a joke right Matt?