A bit late with this, but I've only just had an unfortunate toe curling read of July's Manifesto over breakfast this morning.

Not only are we treated to The Right Honorable Ian Levine claiming to be the only operation in the "whole wide world" making new northern soul records (I almost spat my shredded wheat out), but he also claims to be doing something right because he has received 6 million hits on his Youtube videos, even though he has not sold enough copies of any of his CDs or records to cover the cost of pressing them.

How can the editorial team allow such delusional nonsense to be printed in their magazine under the title "a personal plea" with Levine begging and bullying readers to send him their £15?

Quite clearly he is not the only operation in the "whole wide world" producing new sounds that are accepted on the northern soul scene (BTW, a scene to which he has been nothing more than an annoying irreverence since the 1970s), Daptone, Kings Go Forth, Timmion are just three off the top of my head. But surely if he has received 6 million hits on his Youtube then those 6 million people must have rejected his work and not purchased the CDs or 45s?

6 million people can't be wrong, and "Running in Another Direction" is a very fitting title for his body of work because it's exactly what 6 million people have done after listening to it!!!!

Do I need to point out that he writes that if anyone even cares a fraction for his work then they must go and buy his CDs from Amazon (because no shops will stock them) then surely he must realise that no one does care, not one little bit? Everyone knows about his work and no one buys it. The only worrying thing is that Manifesto gives this abomination of an irrelevance column inches instead of focusing on the real and progressive soul scene in this country, Europe and the rest of the world.

As I moved onto my toast and glass of orange juice I wasn't expecting to have to digest yet more Levine hyper promo, page after page of it courtesy of Simon White.

How Manifesto allows this man to print words deriding the scene is beyond me. Mr White sings about how his buddy's CDs lift the listener outside of the "intolerant world of soul fundamentalists" before going on to to sing about how Levine paid homage to Northern Soul with his invention of High Energy gay disco music and how this shows Levine's true understanding of Northern Soul. I had to read that back three times to double check that I have not misread his words. High Energy is homage to Northern Soul and shows Levines understanding of the music.

I understand that his new recordings on his CDs have the same production techniques as he used in his High Energy work, but surely his new Northern Soul 2009 recordings pay homage to High Energy, not the other way around?

Has there ever been a more one sided, bullying review of a CD written? It tells the reader that if you truely care for real soul music then you must love this CD, and if you do not love the CD then you must be part of a narrow minded backward looking scene containing nothing more than "a bunch of old men dancing in their zimmer frames to forty five year old records that never change".

What a disgusting breakfast it's been.

Edited August 12, 200915 yr by James Trouble

The play was nothing to do with Dave Shaws book, other than it used the word Wigan . I only read it recently in fact . So it was a case of THEM (BE COOL) trying to control something that they thought they might earn a buck out of. If, as they suggested, we had plagiarised the book, we would have been in court and stopped. As it was, they had to run away, tail between legs. embarassed at their sick attempt to stop something that made a good contribution to the scene and its history. They were chancing their arm at the prospect of controlling what we were doing. Fortunately, we were and are, way to bright for that type of bullying! So, yes, of course that is a reflection on Manifesto. Why do i want to read a banal, superficial lad mag, run by bullying chancers? (some of them anyway). They were protecting nothing....why haven't they made Shaws book into a play or film? I'll tell you, its because they haven't got the love, committment or soul to embark on the job! It takes spirit, dedication and insight to pull it off....and i have a feeling the only thing they are able to pull off is each other (metaphorically speaking of course )... That aside, even without the attempt at stopping the play, the Mag is narrow and run by a soul clique who have nothing to do with the scene i support.........A book on Zoo's by Tim? is that an 'ooh, ooh, a human zoo, ooh?' Bit like the red eye page!

Hi Paul,

Phew. There's enough material here for a case study in the psychology of a twisted mind. Might be time to see a shrink mate before you get into this too deep!

Just a couple of points this time:-

"I'll tell you, its because they haven't got the love, committment or soul to embark on the job!"

However they did of course write and publish one of the defining books about Northern Soul, the 320 page "The In Crowd" in 1999 which is probably the best-selling book ever about Northern Soul and still available after numerous re-prints.

"That aside, even without the attempt at stopping the play, the Mag is narrow and run by a soul clique who have nothing to do with the scene i support".

Hang on a minute. I thought you were the guy who did a play about Wigan Casino? I was a resident D.J. at Wigan Casino and many of the people who have contributed to Manifesto over the years I first met @ Wigan. Must be that parallel universe that keeps happening ay?

A book on Zoo's by Tim? is that an 'ooh, ooh, a human zoo, ooh?'

Tremendous pun! When the next play?

Bit like the red eye page!

There ya go insulting the good readers of Manifesto again......

Ian D

Yeah it's called 'Soul Renaissance' and you can get it from me. A proper hardcore rare soul fanzine. Had a chance to go glossy, not interested.

Martyn

Got any back issues Martin? I would particularly like to read the issue that had a write up about my allnighter.

Not a brilliant write up Phil i must admit. But i'll sort a copy out, #11 some reprints to do.

A bit late with this, but I've only just had an unfortunate toe curling read of July's Manifesto over breakfast this morning.

What a disgusting breakfast it's been.

It's their magazine so I guess they can write what they like. If you don't like it, don't buy it, don't visit Ian Levine's YouTube stuff and you'd save yourself some energy by not having to write negative postings

Edited August 16, 200915 yr by Chris L

It's their magazine so I guess they can write what they like. If you don't like it, don't buy it, don't visit Ian Levine's YouTube stuff and you'd save yourself some energy by not having to write negative postings

Perhaps you should follow your own advice Chris, and stop going to venues that have any of your pet hate 'Rare Soul' DJs on the line-up, so you won't have to do the same.....

Still avoided the issue of the BE COOL backstabbers! I love the way you people can't answer a question directly..you can only have a stab at retorting with some odd vageurism about psychology..

However they did of course write and publish one of the defining books about Northern Soul, the 320 page "The In Crowd" in 1999 which is probably the best-selling book ever about Northern Soul and still available after numerous re-prints.

Yes, nice pictures...good coffee table browser...hardly an in depth insight. The daily Star has numerous re-prints!

Hang on a minute. I thought you were the guy who did a play about Wigan Casino? I was a resident D.J. at Wigan Casino and many of the people who have contributed to Manifesto over the years I first met @ Wigan. Must be that parallel universe that keeps happening ay?

There you go, like many others, resting on your ancient laurels.(they must be crushed with all that heavy leaning by now) ..frankly, i dont give a toss where you djed and Wigan wasn't the pinnacle of soul for me....it was the scene , the whole scene, at that time that was brilliant. The play was about Wigan, the whole thing, from a punters point of view (mine) and, as a punter, i didn't notice you.

Tremendous pun! When the next play?

Im doing a play called 'OLGA' , it opens at CONTACT in February and will, like Wigan, play to over 100,000 people. Yourself? Maybe you will do 'Julius Ceasar' or another Roman classic where Laurels count! Or maybe you can do a 'Laurels and Hardly (got a clue)' classic.....

There ya go insulting the good readers of Manifesto again......

Thats right...and?

Ian D

However they did of course write and publish one of the defining books about Northern Soul, the 320 page "The In Crowd" in 1999 which is probably the best-selling book ever about Northern Soul and still available after numerous re-prints.

Yes, nice pictures...good coffee table browser...hardly an in depth insight. The daily Star has numerous re-prints!

Paul, I'm totally independent here but I read the book again about 2 months back and it is in fact the most in depth book ever written about Northern Soul. Honest.

Thank you Paul for having the guts to reveal the shocking truth behind the Manifesto Brotherhood (yes, that is it's full name). It's time people were told!

I was editor of the magazine and a former director of Bee Cool but managed to escape from its evil clutches after the facts behind this sinister organisation began to dawn on me. L Ron Hubbard & the Scientologists, the Branch Davidians, Jonestown... they've got nothing on the Manifesto Brotherhood!

Like many others, I thought the pictures in Red Eye were of people having fun, but I was so wrong. These are broken, brainwashed victims of what I now know to be a treacherous cult. Those crazy dance moves, dilated pupils and demonic grins should have alerted my attention.

I agree The Master (or Mike Ritson as he is known on the Northern scene) comes across as a lovely fellow, but don't be hoodwinked by his charm (He's clearly got you fooled Ken - the beard is a major clue!) He is nothing less than the devil incarnate! A soul charlatan - he won't be content until the whole of the Northern scene is in his powerful grasp. Tim 'Johnny Morris' Brown fled the roost for an issue or two recently but even he was 'persuaded' to return.

I've since discovered that the spelling mistakes in the magazine were intentional. They are coded references inserted by The Master and his disciples, and as for the (metaphorical!) initiation rites, you don't know the half of it. Forget the Masons and their rolled-up trouser leg and oaths of allegiance this was truly terrifying. I've still got the emotional scars to prove it.

I've said far too much now, but thanks for the warning about watching my back. Keep up the brave work Paul. The Northern scene is a far better place because of true soul fans such as yourself.

Thank you Paul for having the guts to reveal the shocking truth behind the Manifesto Brotherhood (yes, that is it's full name). It's time people were told!

I was editor of the magazine and a former director of Bee Cool but managed to escape from its evil clutches after the facts behind this sinister organisation began to dawn on me. L Ron Hubbard & the Scientologists, the Branch Davidians, Jonestown... they've got nothing on the Manifesto Brotherhood!

Like many others, I thought the pictures in Red Eye were of people having fun, but I was so wrong. These are broken, brainwashed victims of what I now know to be a treacherous cult. Those crazy dance moves, dilated pupils and demonic grins should have alerted my attention.

I agree The Master (or Mike Ritson as he is known on the Northern scene) comes across as a lovely fellow, but don't be hoodwinked by his charm (He's clearly got you fooled Ken - the beard is a major clue!) He is nothing less than the devil incarnate! A soul charlatan - he won't be content until the whole of the Northern scene is in his powerful grasp. Tim 'Johnny Morris' Brown fled the roost for an issue or two recently but even he was 'persuaded' to return.

I've since discovered that the spelling mistakes in the magazine were intentional. They are coded references inserted by The Master and his disciples, and as for the (metaphorical!) initiation rites, you don't know the half of it. Forget the Masons and their rolled-up trouser leg and oaths of allegiance this was truly terrifying. I've still got the emotional scars to prove it.

I've said far too much now, but thanks for the warning about watching my back. Keep up the brave work Paul. The Northern scene is a far better place because of true soul fans such as yourself.

Ha! see what i mean about these guys, still avoiding the issue of why they tried to STOP the play and cash in on what they thought was a lucrative new market. Make as many lame attempts at humour as you like mate, truth is truth and your still avoiding it! Fact is i sorted tickets for Ritson and his son, on request of Winstanley and the guy came to the play and the after party ...shook my hand, said thanks and THEN....ISSUED A WRIT a couple of days later (or was that you?). So yes, your analysis of him is spot on...well done mate. If thats the way you and your staff behave, its no wonder you end up with a vacuous mag full of back stabbing...sorry i mean back scratching, soulessness!

I have never spoken about this and was shocked by that behaviour at the time and didn't want to air your vampiric tendancies in public.

BUT, listening to you and co, rant on and on with your self righteous pap, just pushed it out!

Thanks for the praise, ive always found it a good virtue to face and speak the truth, so no insult their. Perhaps the Magazine might consider dealing with stuff truthfully in the future? I know, 'crazy suggestion', but hey, come on, you can do it!

Be Cool, great name, perhaps the strap line ' a laxative for the soul' could work? as, it certainly is full of souless s--t

...i actually have better things to do, but if you feel like chatting more about stuff...feel free, i will, as ever, try to answer truthfully, without avoiding the issue or hiding behind PAP humour...best Paul

knowing you fun loving guys, theres probably another writ in the post for telling the truth!

Edited August 17, 200915 yr by paul-s

What's your name? Who are you? Calling me a racist and saying I'm making sexual and social insults.

Can a moderator sort this crap out, please and tell me who this joker is?

Your the joker pal.

I can honestlt say I never read anything into that comment and it certainly didn't seem to have been made as a snide sexual reference. It's only since you pointed it out.

You see the giveaway is the way he uses the terms first, then crosses them out and replaces it with a politically correct term...still leaving the original.

Childish games, Pete.

You see the giveaway is the way he uses the terms first, then crosses them out and replaces it with a politically correct term...still leaving the original.

Childish games, Pete.

Ah I see...

Thank you Paul for having the guts to reveal the shocking truth behind the Manifesto Brotherhood (yes, that is it's full name). It's time people were told!

I was editor of the magazine and a former director of Bee Cool but managed to escape from its evil clutches after the facts behind this sinister organisation began to dawn on me. L Ron Hubbard & the Scientologists, the Branch Davidians, Jonestown... they've got nothing on the Manifesto Brotherhood!

Like many others, I thought the pictures in Red Eye were of people having fun, but I was so wrong. These are broken, brainwashed victims of what I now know to be a treacherous cult. Those crazy dance moves, dilated pupils and demonic grins should have alerted my attention.

I agree The Master (or Mike Ritson as he is known on the Northern scene) comes across as a lovely fellow, but don't be hoodwinked by his charm (He's clearly got you fooled Ken - the beard is a major clue!) He is nothing less than the devil incarnate! A soul charlatan - he won't be content until the whole of the Northern scene is in his powerful grasp. Tim 'Johnny Morris' Brown fled the roost for an issue or two recently but even he was 'persuaded' to return.

I've since discovered that the spelling mistakes in the magazine were intentional. They are coded references inserted by The Master and his disciples, and as for the (metaphorical!) initiation rites, you don't know the half of it. Forget the Masons and their rolled-up trouser leg and oaths of allegiance this was truly terrifying. I've still got the emotional scars to prove it.

I've said far too much now, but thanks for the warning about watching my back. Keep up the brave work Paul. The Northern scene is a far better place because of true soul fans such as yourself.

Thanks for the warning Stuart.

The beard is a dead giveaway and I should have seen that from the off. It's only after reading the above and re-watching a DVD of "The Devil's Advocate" that the truth has suddenly clicked that Mike Ritson is in fact evil incarnate and the living embodiment of the role which Al Pacino played with such aplomb.

The guy lulled me into a false sense of security by appearing on the scene in the early 70's and bugging me to play records - an early indication of the kind of sublimal mind games the guy was up to back then. Little did I know I know this was part of his long-term game-plan. I then managed to keep out of his way for the next 25 years before I realised he'd cropped up with with a Northern Soul magazine called 'Manifesto'. Little did we know back then how prophetic the title would be!

In the meantime I next bumped into him when the two of you wrote "The In Crowd" and Mike first located me by nefarious methods (he rang Neil Rushton and got my number) and then proceeded to interogate me mercilessly under the guise of interviewing me for his so-called book, henceforth to be known as 'Project Orange'. He plied me with alcohol throughout the 'interviews' and then accused ME of trying to encourage HIM to drink - a typical ploy from a criminal mastermind.

'Project Orange' was a perfect cover for this undercover svengali to interrogate key members of the Northern Soul movement in order to understand the mindset of Northern Soul devotees so he could take over the scene for his own pernacious desires. I'm not surprised you got suckered into it mate - he had us all fooled didn't he?

I've since done some more research and found out that 'The Master' is currently running his evil empire from a caravan in the South Of France - presumably to try and fool people into thinking that he's actually not that well-off and actually chooses to live in a hot-box for several weeks every year!

Thanks again for the warning Stuart.

I'd better alert Soul Sam and Fish before they carry out any more attrocities in the name of The Master.......

Ian D

You see the giveaway is the way he uses the terms first, then crosses them out and replaces it with a politically correct term...still leaving the original.

Childish games, Pete.

Yeah but come on guys. What did you expect from a guy who christens himself "Trouble"........?

Did that not give you a clue? At least he does what it says on the tin.

Unlike that nefarious b*stard 'Mr Nice Guy' Ritson............

Ian D

Yeah but come on guys. What did you expect from a guy who christens himself "Trouble"........?

Did that not give you a clue? At least he does what it says on the tin.

Unlike that nefarious b*stard 'Mr Nice Guy' Ritson............

Ian D

Shouldn't this be in Freebasing humour now, what with all the "funny" posts ? It can always be transferred back to All about the soul if anybody wants to actually discuss James' opening post rather than being an exercise in sarcastic writings for the chosen few.

an exercise in sarcastic writings for the chosen few.

Aha!... are these 'Wigans Chosen Few' Steve?

I wondered what became of them!

Agree 100%.

I can't see what any of this has to do with Soul Music.

Sean

Edited August 17, 200915 yr by Sean Hampsey

Aha!... are these 'Wigans Chosen Few' Steve?

I wondered what became of them!

Agree 100%.

I can't see what any of this has to do with Soul Music.

Sean

I agree too but if someone has a pop at @ a load of associates and friends and says they have never contributed to the scene, then should there not be a right of reply?

I didn't even get involved until Paul Sadot levelled his accusations @ Manifesto and I thought someone should respond. I was just about to shoot a few things back too from the calls and PM's I've had about other situations that concern Paul but I'm happy enough to get back to the music mate. I don't like negativity anyway.

Ian D

Yeah but come on guys. What did you expect from a guy who christens himself "Trouble"........?

Ian D

I take that back. James didn't christen himself "Trouble". That's actually his christened name. It's genetic then........

Ian D

James didn't christen himself "Trouble". That's actually his christened name.

Why do you think that?

Why do you think that?

Because that's what In Town Mikey just told me.

But I've just had two people tell me what James's real name is, so I take it back again. I thought it was too good to be true LOL....

Ian D

But I've just had two people tell me what James's real name is,

Is it Ian Levine ?

Edited August 17, 200915 yr by SteveM

Because that's what In Town Mikey just told me.

Don't believe what he tells you. His name isn't really 'in town mikey' - It's Mike Gibbs

Is it Ian Levine ?

Or Winstanley?

Is it Ian Levine ?

Can you stop with the humerous posts please Steve? This is meant to be a serious conversation about Soul Music........

Ian D

Don't believe what he tells you. His name isn't really 'in town mikey' - It's Mike Gibbs

Mmmm. Obviously it takes one to know one! I mean what parents would baptize their offspring with a name like In-Town anyway?

Ian D

Can you stop with the humerous posts please Steve? This is meant to be a serious conversation about Soul Music........

Ian D

Aaah Ian. The post I replied to was about James Trouble and I mentioned Ian Levine in my reply. Deffo on topic in every way, if you re read the first post of the thread.

Is it though ?

Aaah Ian. The post I replied to was about James Trouble and I mentioned Ian Levine in my reply. Deffo on topic in every way, if you re read the first post of the thread.

Is it though ?

I'm not sure anymore mate......

I'll have to go back to the beginning.....

Methinks James is a sheep in wolf's clothing anyway............

Ian D

Also, whilst we're on the subject of names, how does one pronounce Paul S's surname?

Sadot.

Is it the French way with a silent 't' I wonder...............?

Ian D

I agree too but if someone has a pop at @ a load of associates and friends and says they have never contributed to the scene, then should there not be a right of reply?

I didn't even get involved until Paul Sadot levelled his accusations @ Manifesto and I thought someone should respond. I was just about to shoot a few things back too from the calls and PM's I've had about other situations that concern Paul but I'm happy enough to get back to the music mate. I don't like negativity anyway.

Ian D

I have noticed a certain aspect that keeps cropping up on this forum....

People make 'semi-inflammatory' posts (for want of a better term!) and then winge when other people take an opposing position. Mr Trouble seems to like to sound off then screams for the moderator when somebody susses him. Personally, I've enjoyed this last page - a fine example of post modernist cyberhumour lol!

I'd just like to say I posted quite one-dimensionally and without any agenda, to respond to the challenge to find the grammatical errors and perhaps have a go at editing the magazine. Maybe we should start an off-topic post about spelling and grammar; I'm particularly irked by the pernicious prevalence of mis-spelled fliers, the most recent atrocity being 'St Ive's' with an incorrect possessive apostrophe. (aka 'Grocer's disease').

Secondly I'd like to add that I'm disappointed and a bit saddened by a lot of what I've seen on this thread. What James posted originally was a contentious but nonetheless fair point on a specific subject. I've seen it degenerate into a public airing of private grievances between people I either like(d) or respect(ed) or both, and watched people insult each other from behind a computer screen (NOT the same as 'face-to-face'!) and I feel sorry for those involved in any way. There is a lot of pain, bitterness and tension being expressed here. I wish I could say some yoga all round would probably help, but I think this would be optimistic. This would not happen face-to-face; one of the unfortunate side-effects of internet communication is the loss of conscience with regards to the effect one is having on another person through the words one writes.

I take no sides in this argument and I know that my opinion isn't at all important to those involved. Other people's opinions never are, to such people, unless the opinions are those of critics, promotors, purchasors, or others who may influence the success of their product. It's been very interesting to watch. I've seen enough, thanks.

Edited August 17, 200915 yr by Catfish

Does anyone actually give a fuck about the Levine/Trouble war? Two individuals with differences of opinion who have far too much 'hot air' time on here for their own good

'step back...relax'

Just my two pence

I'll avoid this thread for another 6 months now

hello all..don`t come on here that much..or leave comments...it`s all a bit scary really .....

I'd just like to say I posted quite one-dimensionally and without any agenda, to respond to the challenge to find the grammatical errors and perhaps have a go at editing the magazine. Maybe we should start an off-topic post about spelling and grammar; I'm particularly irked by the pernicious prevalence of mis-spelled fliers, the most recent atrocity being 'St Ive's' with an incorrect possessive apostrophe. (aka 'Grocer's disease').

Secondly I'd like to add that I'm disappointed and a bit saddened by a lot of what I've seen on this thread. What James posted originally was a contentious but nonetheless fair point on a specific subject. I've seen it degenerate into a public airing of private grievances between people I either like(d) or respect(ed) or both, and watched people insult each other from behind a computer screen (NOT the same as 'face-to-face'!) and I feel sorry for those involved in any way. There is a lot of pain, bitterness and tension being expressed here. I wish I could say some yoga all round would probably help, but I think this would be optimistic. This would not happen face-to-face; one of the unfortunate side-effects of internet communication is the loss of conscience with regards to the effect one is having on another person through the words one writes.

I take no sides in this argument and I know that my opinion isn't at all important to those involved. Other people's opinions never are, to such people, unless the opinions are those of critics, promotors, purchasors, or others who may influence the success of their product. It's been very interesting to watch. I've seen enough, thanks.

Did you get anywhere with the mag job ma'am?

Well that clears that up then

kinnell james

chill

barney

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drop the abuse

terms of use says it all

I'd just like to say I posted quite one-dimensionally and without any agenda, to respond to the challenge to find the grammatical errors and perhaps have a go at editing the magazine. Maybe we should start an off-topic post about spelling and grammar; I'm particularly irked by the pernicious prevalence of mis-spelled fliers, the most recent atrocity being 'St Ive's' with an incorrect possessive apostrophe. (aka 'Grocer's disease').

Have I missed something? (it is a long thread now).. editing the mag? I thought it was just Steve H's contribution that you guys were talking about...

Jayne.x

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Which forum rule have I broken?

Chorleysoul calls me a homphobe and a racist and I am not allowed to defend myself? I quite clearly state that if had wanted to use words that would would offend, I would. But I didn't, I used the word sycophant, in other words bum licking.

syc·o·phant (sk-fnt, sk-)n. A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.[Latin scophanta, informer, slanderer, from Greek skophants, informer, from skon phainein, to show a fig (probably originally said of denouncers of theft or exportation of figs) : skon, fig + phainein, to show; see bh-¹ in Indo-European roots.]syco·phantic (-fntk), syco·phanti·cal (-t-kl) adj.syco·phanti·cal·ly adv.

sycophant Nouna person who uses flattery to win favour from people with power or influence [Greek sukophantēs] sycophancy n

sycophantic adj

I'd just like to say I posted quite one-dimensionally and without any agenda, to respond to the challenge to find the grammatical errors and perhaps have a go at editing the magazine. Maybe we should start an off-topic post about spelling and grammar; I'm particularly irked by the pernicious prevalence of mis-spelled fliers, the most recent atrocity being 'St Ive's' with an incorrect possessive apostrophe. (aka 'Grocer's disease').

Secondly I'd like to add that I'm disappointed and a bit saddened by a lot of what I've seen on this thread. What James posted originally was a contentious but nonetheless fair point on a specific subject. I've seen it degenerate into a public airing of private grievances between people I either like(d) or respect(ed) or both, and watched people insult each other from behind a computer screen (NOT the same as 'face-to-face'!) and I feel sorry for those involved in any way. There is a lot of pain, bitterness and tension being expressed here. I wish I could say some yoga all round would probably help, but I think this would be optimistic. This would not happen face-to-face; one of the unfortunate side-effects of internet communication is the loss of conscience with regards to the effect one is having on another person through the words one writes.

I take no sides in this argument and I know that my opinion isn't at all important to those involved. Other people's opinions never are, to such people, unless the opinions are those of critics, promotors, purchasors, or others who may influence the success of their product. It's been very interesting to watch. I've seen enough, thanks.

Yeah mate...

And guess who is sending one word insult PM'S to people (from behind THE PM CURTAIN, behind a computer screen???? Go on, guess who...LOL

I think it is very clear as to why there is discord on this particular thread. When something is started in a spirit of hatred, it very rarely progresses into a positive atmosphere.

Whilst JAMES might have a semblance of a point, it is clearly buried within a personal hatred and agenda. Being that this crap revolves around somebody who has been doing the same things basically for over 30 years, it seems rather pointless. The idea that somebody as headstrong as IAN LEVINE is ever going to change his beliefs or practises, right or wrong, because somebody like JAMES TROUBLE attacks him is laughable in the extreme. Secondly, the sniping at 'Manifesto' seems spiteful and over the top. If people think they can do better, it's a free country and they can always start up their own magazine....

Then again, it is always far easier to snipe from the sidelines.

the bit you originally posted and have left out of the above is unacceptable on here

simple as that

Yeah mate...

And guess who is sending one word insult PM'S to people (from behind THE PM CURTAIN, behind a computer screen???? Go on, guess who...LOL

I think it is very clear as to why there is discord on this particular thread. When something is started in a spirit of hatred, it very rarely progresses into a positive atmosphere.

Whilst JAMES might have a semblance of a point, it is clearly buried within a personal hatred and agenda. Being that this crap revolves around somebody who has been doing the same things basically for over 30 years, it seems rather pointless. The idea that somebody as headstrong as IAN LEVINE is ever going to change his beliefs or practises, right or wrong, because somebody like JAMES TROUBLE attacks him is laughable in the extreme. Secondly, the sniping at 'Manifesto' seems spiteful and over the top. If people think they can do better, it's a free country and they can always start up their own magazine....

Then again, it is always far easier to snipe from the sidelines.

I'm surprised he hasn't already done that as he seems to be on a mission to re-invent the scene as he thinks it should be

Have I missed something? (it is a long thread now).. editing the mag? I thought it was just Steve H's contribution that you guys were talking about...

Jayne.x

Hi Jayne

No you didn't miss a thing, as i said in my previous post to Catfish to reread what Steve had actually wrote before jumping in, there was never any mention about anyone editing the magazine, gets me how anyone can edit anything if they don't read it properly in the first place lol.

Edited August 17, 200915 yr by moddy

can somebody please tell who james trouble actually is as i have never heard much mention of him on the northern soul scene, is a dj,private collector????

I'm surprised he hasn't already done that as he seems to be on a mission to re-invent the scene as he thinks it should be

Who??? LEVINE or TROUBLE??

Which forum rule have I broken?

Chorleysoul calls me a homphobe and a racist and I am not allowed to defend myself? I quite clearly state that if had wanted to use words that would would offend, I would. But I didn't, I used the word sycophant, in other words bum licking.

syc·o·phant (sk-fnt, sk-)n. A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.[Latin scophanta, informer, slanderer, from Greek skophants, informer, from skon phainein, to show a fig (probably originally said of denouncers of theft or exportation of figs) : skon, fig + phainein, to show; see bh-¹ in Indo-European roots.]syco·phantic (-fntk), syco·phanti·cal (-t-kl) adj.syco·phanti·cal·ly adv.

sycophant Nouna person who uses flattery to win favour from people with power or influence [Greek sukophantēs] sycophancy n

sycophantic adj

Ok. If you want to play up the melodramatics, thats down to you. The facts are simple. I did not 'call' you a 'homophobe' or a 'racist'. You will not find those words anywhere on this thread apart from within your own contribution above.

What I asked you to do was refrain from making what I believed to be underhand, sneering jibes be they aimed sexually/racially or socially.

The use of the above in a grouping were simply as an example of the type of insults that should be unacceptable on public forums.

I most certainly do not believe you to be a racist. I dont think you are a homophobic. I do think you deliberately left a certain phrase in your text, as a sly dig at LEVINE, for whom you clearly hold an irrational hatred. It is impossible to prove whether you intended such a meaning, but the fact that it could be construed that way, by anybody, indicates - at the very least - poor judgement on your behalf.

The laws in this country protect people against 'deliberate' discrimination or crucially 'indeliberate'. Take a bit of advice. When you are going to attack somebody learn to cover your own back.

And if you want to insult me, dont do it privately. I'll introduce myself next time I see you in London.

This thread is completely ego-tastic and a thoroughly humorous read: keep up the good work lads!

The use of the above in a grouping were simply as an example of thetype of insults that should be unacceptable on public forums.

if you got problems with a post then use the report post feature

thats the way it works on here

posting up your own personal interpretation of what a member may or may not possibly mean is not needed

any concerns use the report post feature

James doesn't like Manifesto but plays "Manifesto" in his set. . .

James doesn't like Manifesto but plays "Manifesto" in his set. . .

Coincidence, or something more sinister?

I don't dislike Manifesto, but I am criticising the editing in the last issue that has allowed Levine and his cronies a soap box to unleash sycophant reviews and aggressive jingoism on the scene that has already quite clearly rejected his creations.