apart from mr wilson whats the most expensive usa demo and issue,and the most expensive british demo and issue...???

apart from mr wilson whats the most expensive usa demo and issue,and the most expensive british demo and issue...???

USA demo is Junior Mccants on King I would have thought - 15.000 usd

UK Demo probably Darrell Banks on yellow London I suspect ?

As for US issues - I have no idea - could it be Magnetics on bonnie............ Margaret Little...........Lester Tipton.............JD Bryant......... etc.. etc... etc

Most expensive UK demo would be first Beatles 45, followed by second Beatles 45, third Beatles 45, Factory on CBS and MGM, Bowie on Vocalion maybe, Floyd with picture sleeves, Tintern Abbey, One in a Million, Darrell Banks...

Most expensive issue has to be Sex Pistols on A&M, then John's Children maybe...?

some here,

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?top25=all

Most expensive UK demo would be first Beatles 45, followed by second Beatles 45, third Beatles 45, Factory on CBS and MGM, Bowie on Vocalion maybe, Floyd with picture sleeves, Tintern Abbey, One in a Million, Darrell Banks...

Most expensive issue has to be Sex Pistols on A&M, then John's Children maybe...?

I presumed he meant Soul, But deffo Sex Pistols - Beatles - if we are on about general / pop collecting.

I presumed he meant Soul, But deffo Sex Pistols - Beatles - if we are on about general / pop collecting.

yes i did mean soul ..... .

tony middleton,to the ends of the earth,uk demos and issues are loads of,£££££££ each,

Edited March 21, 201015 yr by de-to

In order of descending price (and I realise popsike is only a snapshot of some ebay sales, and will never be definitive)...

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?pagenum=1&searchtext=uk+demo&incldescr=&currency=&sortord=dprice&thumbs=

quite interesting, I thought. Mike & the Modifiers, Carolyn Crawford, James Carr...

Most expensive UK demo would be first Beatles 45, followed by second Beatles 45, third Beatles 45, Factory on CBS and MGM, Bowie on Vocalion maybe, Floyd with picture sleeves, Tintern Abbey, One in a Million, Darrell Banks...

Most expensive issue has to be Sex Pistols on A&M, then John's Children maybe...?

Theres a Tintern Abbey demo on ebay at the moment https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TINTERN-ABBEY-Vacuum-cleaner-67-Deram-original_W0QQitemZ260563810186QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item3caad0378a

I would imagine you would get serious Wonga for a Tmi Yuro UK Liberty Demo of "It'll never be over for me"

I recently turned down £800 for my issue copy--only because I don't want to sell-no idea of a true value but you don't see it for sale very often !

Rob

I would have thought the rarest uk soul demo would be the Ben E King- Can't break the News - London Typed Demo.Only know of 3-4 copies.Timi Yuro demos were just stickers i think.

I would have thought the rarest uk soul demo would be the Ben E King- Can't break the News - London Typed Demo.Only know of 3-4 copies.Timi Yuro demos were just stickers i think.

Hi Taff

What about Pete Wid's Volume's on Pama ?

Dave

Hi Taff

What about Pete Wid's Volume's on Pama ?

Dave

Is there really a UK Pama demo of The Volumes - I just can't help myself ? I would like to see a scan of that !!

I have always heard rumours about the scheduled release and that it was never pressed ?

Intresting !!!!

Hi Taff

What about Pete Wid's Volume's on Pama ?

Dave

Hi Dave think that was a acetate mate.He also had a pye acetate of First Choice-This is the house that love died.See you next week for a pay day mate

Is there really a UK Pama demo of The Volumes - I just can't help myself ? I would like to see a scan of that !!

I have always heard rumours about the scheduled release and that it was never pressed ?

Intresting !!!!

Sorry mate

There was a label scan of it which appeared in a photo copy fanzine once, but it was just a Pete Wid wind up! this can be filed in the same category as the mythical Gerri Hall on Sue.

Why, when people talk about rare English is it always the same handful of titles, Darrell Banks on London etc when some of the rarer titles are probably by Uk Beat groups etc which don't sell for big money.

Talkin' about UK productions heard Georgie Fame's cover version of The Spinners "Sweet Thing" of his first LP

on the radio the other day, I'd forgot how great this UK production sounded.

Dave

Edited March 21, 201015 yr by Louise

I would imagine you would get serious Wonga for a Tmi Yuro UK Liberty Demo of "It'll never be over for me"

I recently turned down £800 for my issue copy--only because I don't want to sell-no idea of a true value but you don't see it for sale very often !

Rob

There's no demos of Timi Yuro, they're date stamped.

Sorry mate

There was a label scan of it which appeared in a photo copy fanzine once, but it was just a Pete Wid wind up! this can be filed in the same category as the mythical Gerri Hall on Sue.

Why, when people talk about rare English is always the same handful of titles, Darrell Banks on London etc when some of the rarer titles are probably by Uk Beat groups etc which don't sell for big money.

Talkin' about UK productions heard Georgie Fame's cover version of The Spinners "Sweet Thing" of his first LP

on the radio the other day, I'd forgot how great this UK productio sounded.

Dave

I never understand why Darrell banks tops the rarities list, things like Jon Ford philips demo, Vala reegan Atlantic demo, are much rarer but a quarter of the price.

I'd say the ben E King is probably the top UK rarity.

Sorry mate

There was a label scan of it which appeared in a photo copy fanzine once, but it was just a Pete Wid wind up! this can be filed in the same category as the mythical Gerri Hall on Sue.

Why, when people talk about rare English is always the same handful of titles, Darrell Banks on London etc when some of the rarer titles are probably by Uk Beat groups etc which don't sell for big money.

Talkin' about UK productions heard Georgie Fame's cover version of The Spinners "Sweet Thing" of his first LP

on the radio the other day, I'd forgot how great this UK production sounded.

Dave

Yeah Dave your right remember that now,wasn't it in Steve G early Blackbeat mag?Also 2-3 other unissued sue 45 but ain't got the listing anymore and can't remember the numbers.The Craig on fontana must be up there as one of the rarest pop/beat 45'S.

There's no demos of Timi Yuro, they're date stamped.

I've got a F**king demo and didn't even know !!!

ta Pete

Edited March 21, 201015 yr by Karen and Rob Wigley

I've got a F**king demo and didn't even know !!!

ta Pete

you can buy those stamps from any good stationers any where

Edited March 21, 201015 yr by Ted Massey

you can buy those stamps any where

I'll get a RED MARKER PEN and put a BIG "A" on it !!!

I'll get a RED MARKER PEN and put a BIG "A" on it !!!

and to think some people used to do that as well

Yeah Dave your right remember that now,wasn't it in Steve G early Blackbeat mag?Also 2-3 other unissued sue 45 but ain't got the listing anymore and can't remember the numbers.The Craig on fontana must be up there as one of the rarest pop/beat 45'S.

Craig's not that rare, well thats what I keep telling myself despite it being 17 years since I swapped my Craig for a copy of Anita Bryant on CBS demo with Glen Henning.

(Actually it's not that tough compared to some of those records, £300 should get you one now. Crawdaddy Simone is up at £800 or so now. That Tintern Abbey, I got a mint demo of that from a boot sale, this was pre-price guides, loveable Mick Smith gave me something like £20 for it. Got a Frankie & Johnny out of the same box)

Yeah Dave your right remember that now,wasn't it in Steve G early Blackbeat mag?Also 2-3 other unissued sue 45 but ain't got the listing anymore and can't remember the numbers.The Craig on fontana must be up there as one of the rarest pop/beat 45'S.

Hi Taff,

Deffo not Blackbeat - we couldn't get The Wid to write for us

Think it was either Shades of Soul or Soul Cargo?

Don't know who owns my old copy of Barbara mills, Hickory issue.I remember it had RETURN TO BBC LIBRARY stamped on it.Never seen or heard of another,can the Brittish guys help out on the facts?

Don't know who owns my old copy of Barbara mills, Hickory issue.I remember it had RETURN TO BBC LIBRARY stamped on it.Never seen or heard of another,can the Brittish guys help out on the facts?

Yeah Gilly it was stolen,hope you returned it May have come from the Great record giveaway held at Alexandra Palace early 80's when all the local radio stations donated the records from their libaries.Never seen so many records in one place,must have been at least a million @ 10p each.Me and Mick Smith filled his van to the roof.Ady C had some great stuff too.Happy days.

Don't know who owns my old copy of Barbara mills, Hickory issue.I remember it had RETURN TO BBC LIBRARY stamped on it.Never seen or heard of another,can the Brittish guys help out on the facts?

hi gilly, if i remember rightly, chris holmes has a john drevars issue, with that stamped on, i`m sure he went to a sale of old bbc library stock or somthing along those lines, hope you are both well-HARRY

OOOOPS NEVER READ LAST POST SORRY

Edited March 21, 201015 yr by SONBERT

Yeah Gilly it was stolen,hope you returned it May have come from the Great record giveaway held at Alexandra Palace early 80's when all the local radio stations donated the records from their libaries.Never seen so many records in one place,must have been at least a million @ 10p each.Me and Mick Smith filled his van to the roof.Ady C had some great stuff too.Happy days.

We pulled a load of stuff out of there too, Stateside demos etc. As did Clarkie, and a host of others. The most`amazing record event ever. I wrote about the day in Blackbeat Issue 2 i believe, althought it's off topic I'll see if I can find it......

Edited March 21, 201015 yr by Steve G

We pulled a load of stuff out of there too, Stateside demos etc. As did Clarkie, and a host of others. The most`amazing record event ever. I wrote about the day in Blackbeat Issue 2 i believe, althought it's off topic I'll see if I can find it......

It certainly was Steve,remember getting a crate of pye and pye int demos over 100 records,all the soul titles were there for a tenner.

Don't know who owns my old copy of Barbara mills, Hickory issue.I remember it had RETURN TO BBC LIBRARY stamped on it.Never seen or heard of another,can the Brittish guys help out on the facts?

that might be me Gilly will have to check

I would have thought the rarest uk soul demo would be the Ben E King- Can't break the News - London Typed Demo.Only know of 3-4 copies.Timi Yuro demos were just stickers i think.

How about my Shapiro Bernstein and Co acetate of it then.Got it years ago with a Billy Preston acetate.The other side has a female group and a track called My Love Come HomeThis side is definately not Ben E King and it stumps everyone I play it to .

Edited March 21, 201015 yr by wiggyflat

Don't know who owns my old copy of Barbara mills, Hickory issue.I remember it had RETURN TO BBC LIBRARY stamped on it.Never seen or heard of another,can the Brittish guys help out on the facts?

I bagged a uk demo (below) when ITV sold it's library stock a few years ago and there definitely wasn't an issue there....

Rich

Yeah Gilly it was stolen,hope you returned it May have come from the Great record giveaway held at Alexandra Palace early 80's when all the local radio stations donated the records from their libaries.Never seen so many records in one place,must have been at least a million @ 10p each.Me and Mick Smith filled his van to the roof.Ady C had some great stuff too.Happy days.

Thank's buddy hope your good Gilly + Nicola

I bagged a uk demo (below) when ITV sold it's library stock a few years ago and there definitely wasn't an issue there....

Rich

Yup, you did Rich ................... along with most every other important 60s UK Soul Demo !

And for some strange reason you had serious second thoughts about selling me that John Andrews - Parlophone DJ

I told you it was just a worthless bit of Mod junk................

The other side has a female group and a track called My Love Come Home

This side is definately not Ben E King and it stumps everyone I play it to .

Is it Cilla Black, perhaps? The Bystanders also recorded that tune on Piccadilly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ARXNvPuJc

Same song, definately not Cilla or the Bystanders.What are the composer credits

Same song, definately not Cilla or the Bystanders.What are the composer credits

Could just be an unknown demo singer they got in at the Music Publishers. Then the management of the UK groups hear it and do their own versions.

Could just be an unknown demo singer they got in at the Music Publishers. Then the management of the UK groups hear it and do their own versions.

Seems strange but the other side is definately Ben E King though.Bystanders is probably a cover so whoever did the original of that track is probably what I have got.Sounds like a black female singer with a girl group behind her. I know that the Dakotas did a version of I Can't Break The News To Myself (B side of Spider and The Fly) which I have got somewhere so the publishing theory is right and that it is an acetate used to try and get UK artists to cover songs.

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by wiggyflat

Same song, definately not Cilla or the Bystanders.What are the composer credits

It seems to be an italian tune from the beginning.

The writing credits are: Gene Colonnello, Mario Panzeri and Conrad.

"Conrad" is perhaps the person that wrote the english lyrics?

I have no idea really, just putting it out there.

Heres another one, How rare is William Amos Hunt, Would You Beleive, Camp. Same song as on us Streamside?

Talking rare British stuff incl. non-soul such as psych, freakbeat, what about all the super hard Oak stuff?

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by corbett80

I would imagine you would get serious Wonga for a Tmi Yuro UK Liberty Demo of "It'll never be over for me"

I recently turned down £800 for my issue copy--only because I don't want to sell-no idea of a true value but you don't see it for sale very often !

Rob

Not aware of a demo rob?

Sticker/stamp ones excluded

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by CheltSoulNights

on rarity its got to be

Fathers Angels Uk Mgm Demo

only ever seen one copy (cant be many more)

and Queen of Fools uk Black hickory for the issue

on price

Drifter demo

issue?

all i want / blue aces on columbia demo......got a press release of it as well...........its a white group harmony track an brilliant, honest ask steve green .............no one seemes to know it , came from itv record library i think,.mentioned it on here before with no responce,.........ezzie

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by ezzie brown

on rarity its got to be

Fathers Angels Uk Mgm Demo

only ever seen one copy (cant be many more)

and Queen of Fools uk Black hickory for the issue

on price

Drifter demo

issue?

Theres no black Hickory issue, it's white...

Theres no black Hickory issue, it's white...

what colour is the vinyl?????????? ez

Theres no black Hickory issue, it's white...

Speaking of Timi yuro .....

A mate of mine ( not on the scene ) who buys and sells rock records , brought me a carrier bag of pressings in November which were of no interest to him , and this was amongst them .

A white label one side ( Garnett Mimms " Looking for You " ) , with this a very clever mock up on the other side .......

Malc Burton

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by Malc Burton

with this a very clever mock up on the other side .......

Pity about the two (!) spelling mistakes...

Pity about the two (!) spelling mistakes...

Which two ? excuse me for not noticing .......

All I stated that it was a clever mock up . Whoever did it , put a lot of effort and thought into something of little value ....... except to himself / herself .

Malc Burton

Edited March 22, 201015 yr by Malc Burton

I've aways though that EMI pressed-up 750 demos of every record. Is this not true ?.

Rarest issue Dennis D'ell ,Hoagy Lands, Frankie/Classicals,John Ford, Barbara Mills,etc..

Rarest demo Lou Johnson on London Bigtop ?.

Which two ? excuse me for not noticing .......

Bobricke should be Bobrick.

Greene should be Green.

But as you stated, quite clever and sure must've taken some time to do.