Guest Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Ooh some proper wet knicker tunes have been listed so far... The two that got to me when I were a wee lass were Vivian Copeland - Chaos and Softouch - After You Give Your All - so they'd have to go on my list! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jumpinjoan Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I,m still not sure what classes as crossover ? Me neither and I am even more confused after reading this thread! Ernie Johnson? William Cummings? Never in a million years would I have considered these to be crossover. Just shows how much I know eh Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 So many to choose but if I had to nail one today it would be George Jackson - I Don't Have The Time To Love You - Mercury. Tomorrow it'll be one of many others Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
s7oul Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 A few records that define Crossover Soul for me that, of course there are many more are - NOLAN CHANCE - I'LL NEVER FORGET YOU (THOMAS) FRANK LYNCH - YOUNG GIRL (MY RECORD) LITTLE REUBEN - IN THE NAME OF LONLINESS (NR) THE VISITORS - MY LOVE IS READY AND WAITING (TRC) However sticking to Gareth's rule of just the one. This record is the 'Crossover Sound' that I feel has all the ingredients IMHO of this widely interpreted style of Soul, all the way from New York - DON GARDNER - YOUR LOVE IS DRIVING ME CRAZY (Mr G) Cheers Pat Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Great idea mark, would be heaven for a nighter to play some great records all night. If you look at how many folks get into the few venues that play class music, put the right dj's on, at a nighter,in a centrel location i would like to think it could work. If nothing else there would be plenty of space on the dance floor,cos as we know no one dances to cross- over do they Im sure it would too Mick but .....'us mamby pamby X-over types cant manage a nighter' or so I was told last week See ya Sat ? M. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 A few records that define Crossover Soul for me that, of course there are many more are - NOLAN CHANCE - I'LL NEVER FORGET YOU (THOMAS) FRANK LYNCH - YOUNG GIRL (MY RECORD) LITTLE REUBEN - IN THE NAME OF LONLINESS (NR) THE VISITORS - MY LOVE IS READY AND WAITING (TRC) However sticking to Gareth's rule of just the one. This record is the 'Crossover Sound' that I feel has all the ingredients IMHO of this widely interpreted style of Soul, all the way from New York - DON GARDNER - YOUR LOVE IS DRIVING ME CRAZY (Mr G) Cheers Pat Top Call Pat M Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wrongcrowd Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Whilst we're making a case for "ultimate" x-over how's about: C Coulter - "I can't fight the feeling" = Modern Soul William Cummings - "Make my love a hurting thing" = Northern Soul ..... proper Northern..... Coco & Ben - "Good feeling" = Modern Soul To me these are what I consider to be what the definition encompasses, but I might be wrong!! I can just about understand getting Coco & Ben and C Coulter confused, but William Cummings ???? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I can just about understand getting Coco & Ben and C Coulter confused, but William Cummings ???? Help Me !!....Arthur Willis...? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Scott Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I can just about understand getting Coco & Ben and C Coulter confused, but William Cummings ???? This is what Gareth pointed out - definition.. For me, William Cummings is full on and brilliant Northern but it's these differences of opinion that make life interesting.. ATB Greg. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wrongcrowd Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Overplayed and everyone's got one That's what I heard...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) Wouldnt this be some night if everything mentioned on here were played Nice plush venue, Hampsey, Tats, Thorley, Fenn, Ripoles etc Any promoters up for it..................................?? Nice idea, everyone says good 'wouldn't it be great if....' but as I can testify when you do people don't support it. At the end of the day, to much politics, other promoters doing their best to strangle anything new in case their event is affected. This camp won't support that camp, these dj's won't work with those etc etc. Sorry to be so negative, but it's the sorry state of how things have become. The amount of shite that behind the scenes has come our way with the Stafford thing from other promoters is un-believable. How can you put that on, when you know we always do this or that at that time in the month, it's so un-fair etc, etc. I'm close to giving up. Dave Edited March 25, 2010 by Dave Thorley Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 One of these three surely.. . Vernon Burch - Frame of mind - Aint gonna tell nobody - I'll be your sunshine. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest JIM BARRY Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nice idea, everyone says good 'wouldn't it be great if....' but as I can testify when you do people don't support it. At the end of the day, to much politics, other promoters doing their best to strangle anything new in case their event is affected. This camp won't support that camp, these dj's won't work with those etc etc. Sorry to be so negative, but it's the sorry state of how things have become. The amount of shite that behind the scenes has come our way with the Stafford thing from other promoters is un-believable. How can you put that on, when you know we always do this or that at that time in the month, it's so un-fair etc, etc. I'm close to giving up. Dave don't give up on it dave!! it's bound to be a packer, stafford is folklore in the history of northern soul.!!! original building too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Douglaschip Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Ty Karim - Lightin' Up - Romark Willie Tee - Teasin' you again - Gatur Both already been mentioned by others - both remakes of 60's - and they both really sum up crossover for me Adam Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 don't give up on it dave!! it's bound to be a packer, stafford is folklore in the history of northern soul.!!! original building too No you miss understand. Stafford thing is a deffo, it's gonna be a packer despite somes efforts otherwise. Funny thing is, they will be there and shake me by the hand and say what a great night and how they always went. No, i've just about given up trying to promote anything new..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest JIM BARRY Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 No you miss understand. Stafford thing is a deffo, it's gonna be a packer despite somes efforts otherwise. Funny thing is, they will be there and shake me by the hand and say what a great night and how they always went. No, i've just about given up trying to promote anything new..... i'm with you on that one, all the best with it,......jim Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Louise Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 George Hughley That's Why I Cry Buddah John Parker A Big Mistake Brunswick Charles Brimmer The Feeling Is In My Heart Broadmoor. George Wilson Here Stands The Man Who Needs You Black Circle Jimmy Hicks Tell Her That I Love You Big Deal Ralph Johnson Have Your Fun Master Key Neil Reed Not As Beautiful As You Music Now Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Manfromsoul45s Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I love the Johnny Gilliam , just perfect , those strings , and brilliant vocals ......Best,Eddie Headliners version is special too.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
arnie j Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) George Hughley That's Why I Cry Buddah John Parker A Big Mistake Brunswick Charles Brimmer The Feeling Is In My Heart Broadmoor. George Wilson Here Stands The Man Who Needs You Black Circle Jimmy Hicks Tell Her That I Love You Big Deal Ralph Johnson Have Your Fun Master Key Neil Reed Not As Beautiful As You Music Now Dave jimmy hicks-tell her that i love you,good one jasonJIMMY HICKS - TELL HER THAT I LOVE YOU - BIG DEAL - Edited March 25, 2010 by arnie j Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest JIM BARRY Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 tommy tate......if you got to love somebody ralph graham......she sits there bobby sheen......sweet sweet love Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Polyvelts Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Trey J's- Found it all in you Ascots-Just a few feet from the gutter Rhonda Davis-Can you remember Dee Dee Warwick-Where is that rainbow So So many..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Codfromderby Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 belita woods magic corner jimmy mack hard to understand ella woods i need your love maurice jackson forever my love in my humble opinion of course Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brian Ellis Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) Great educative thread chaps. Nobody's mentioned Barbara Acklin Am I Still The Same Girl? I'm no expert on this genre, quite a 'pagan' in fact, but listening to some of the sound files you're posting, I reckon it would fall into the Crossover category. A lot of Tyrone Davis's tunes as well. Is it because they're ten a penny and therefore not so desirable? Someone mentioned Ty Karim 'Lighten Up Baby'. I thought that was more your typical 'Northern' tune. Enlighten me por favor... Macca Here's your enlightenment !! Two versions of the same record sung by Ty Karim. Lighten Up - CAR-A-MEL - 60s production very much in the Northern vein. Lightin' Up (slightly different spelling - don't know why) - ROMARK - 70s production, much more in a crossover style (there is a Refosoul listing of this one - so give them both a 'spin' and hear the difference). Hope this helps amigo! Brian Edited March 25, 2010 by Brian Ellis Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brian Ellis Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 My twopenny worth: Otis Jackson - Beggin' For A Broken Heart (MEGA) Satin - Your Love's Got Me (SHELL) Jimmy Burns - Can't Get Over (DISPO) Sam Butler - I Can't Get Over Loving You (SRI) These will do for now........................ Brian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest JIM BARRY Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 My twopenny worth: Otis Jackson - Beggin' For A Broken Heart (MEGA) Satin - Your Love's Got Me (SHELL) Jimmy Burns - Can't Get Over (DISPO) Sam Butler - I Can't Get Over Loving You (SRI) These will do for now........................ Brian isn't satin the same as james phelps on apache? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Scott Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 belita woods magic corner in my humble opinion of course I chose Almeta Lattimore - but my god do I love the Belita Woods double sider on Moira Good Call! ATB Greg. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 isn't satin  the same as james phelps on apache? Yes. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nice idea, everyone says good 'wouldn't it be great if....' but as I can testify when you do people don't support it. At the end of the day, to much politics, other promoters doing their best to strangle anything new in case their event is affected. This camp won't support that camp, these dj's won't work with those etc etc. Sorry to be so negative, but it's the sorry state of how things have become. The amount of shite that behind the scenes has come our way with the Stafford thing from other promoters is un-believable. How can you put that on, when you know we always do this or that at that time in the month, it's so un-fair etc, etc. I'm close to giving up. Dave Actually Dave I wasn't meaning you and the guys I mentioned as the promoters, meant you lot as the 'Star Turns' M. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Little-stevie Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Does for me mate! My take on "Crossover" is the same as "Northern", it comes from all directions "If it's good, and it fits...then it's in!" all good ingredients, just a different flavour! I'd class... Gino Washington's "I'll Be Around" Martha's "My Baby Needs Me" Joe Tex's "Old Time Lover" Louis Curry "Toast To you" ..as crossover myself? (one man's meat and all that!) been so many top choices! picking a fav for me will always change, mainly coz I aint heard 'em all yet! Philharmonics "I Need I Need Your Love" and.. Hesitations "Is This A Way To treat A Girl" will always be up there somewhere for me steve And a Toast to you with that choice Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Upthejunction Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 And a Toast to you with that choice A little surprised that Jacqueline Jones - A Frown On My Face - Loadstone didn't get in the frame, always be one of my faves . Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Reg Scott Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) A little surprised that Jacqueline Jones - A Frown On My Face - Loadstone didn't get in the frame, always be one of my faves . Steve More of a collectors tune Steve, probably, hence the omission. I have a treasured copy but just doesn't quite cut it into the 'ultimate' category. Regards, Greg. Edited March 26, 2010 by ClearVinyl Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Missgoldie Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Ultimate classic crossover Jeanie Tracy, Guitar Ray and Vee Gee's But these two run a good race Elois Scott - Broadway Love Bernard Drake - I've been untrue Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Someone mentioned 'Chaos (In My Heart)' by Vivian Copeland ...now, that is a great soul track, in my opinion. I loved it long before it crossed over (sorry for the pun). Please read my thread about why I think "crossover" is the wrong name for this kind of music: Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkH Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Loads of fantastic example of crossover soul so far. may i add - Bob Relf -Girl, you`re my kind of wonderful Bobby taylor - Don`t be afraid Originals - I`m someone who cares Barbara Brown/Carl Sims - Pity a fool Shades of Brown - How could you love him Patti Stokes - Is it true Elvin Spencer - Lift this Hurt Charles Brimmer - This feeling is in my heart I could go on on and on .......... but my number crossover record (at this particular moment anyway !) Roscoe Robinson - Don`t Pretend (Fame) Mark H Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 ...Bob Relf -Girl, you`re my kind of wonderful... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brett F Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) It always makes me laugh how many people ignore the posters request. Gareth said choose the ultimate crossover record.......THAT MEANS CHOOSE.....ONE.......... So in the spirit of this sentiment, i mentioned my own champion previously, so now i'll mention the ultimate one that i don't own.....ARCHIE HODGE - I REALLY WANT TO SEE YOU GIRL- NARCO.... (even though i would have gone for Richard Caiton....) Edited March 26, 2010 by Brett F Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 It always makes me laugh how many people ignore the posters request. Gareth said choose the ultimate crossover record.......THAT MEANS CHOOSE.....ONE.......... So in the spirit of this sentiment, i mentioned my own champion previously, so now i'll mention the ultimate one that i don't own.....ARCHIE HODGE - I REALLY WANT TO SEE YOU GIRL- NARCO.... (even though i would have gone for Richard Caiton....) Wow. No disrespect but I honestly consider that track to be very ordinary. Seriously, I really think the song is dull and the performance is weak and uninspired. It just goes to show how different our tastes and opinions can be sometimes ...and I realise that I'm probably in a minority here but I just can't find anything good to say about it. So if I had an original copy, Brett, you could have it. That's how kind I am. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jaco Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I can just about understand getting Coco & Ben and C Coulter confused, but William Cummings ???? You're probably right about William Cummings - one of those moments, but one mans modern is another mans x-over Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brett F Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Wow. No disrespect but I honestly consider that track to be very ordinary. Seriously, I really think the song is dull and the performance is weak and uninspired. It just goes to show how different our tastes and opinions can be sometimes ...and I realise that I'm probably in a minority here but I just can't find anything good to say about it. So if I had an original copy, Brett, you could have it. That's how kind I am. Thats ok Paul, i'd never expect anyone to eat the 'Braised Cornish brill, scallops, wild asparagus, cucumber and wasabi' meal i'd order at a restaurant, we all like alternative things, we fall in love with different women , wear different clothes.......collect different records..etc . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest wrighty Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 SUGAR BEAR - I LOVE YOU SO - Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Lofthouse Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 So many mentioned already I could nominate - Margie Joseph, Darrell Banks, Don Gardner (Mr G), I could go for Donald Lee Richardson 'Lesson' but in an attempt to list one not already mentioned (it might of been but if so I have missed it!!) 'I'm In Love With You' - Bobby Patterson on (the more attractive) UK Action Back in the day a few of us in 'boro loved this - but it did not fit at all between Wigan and the Mecca Mike Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sean Hampsey Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 'I'm In Love With You' - Bobby Patterson on (the more attractive) UK Action Back in the day a few of us in 'boro loved this - but it did not fit at all between Wigan and the Mecca Mike They weren't ready for it then Mike. Needed a few years to go by before it became a Clifton Hall & Cleethorpes monster, for yours truly, Mike. Sean Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mister Fish Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Alice Clark - Don't you care (Mainstream) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mister Fish Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Sorry, just one more...please! Shelley Fisher - I know how (to love you) Aries Just a brilliant powerhouse mid-tempo growling bassline girly backing gorgeousness of a tuneeeeee.... LOVE it!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest topcatnumpty1 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Some great selections already but here,s my 3 penneth; Sandra wright---I.ll come running back Oscar Perry--He sent me you Best T.C. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mister Fish Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 SUGAR BEAR - I LOVE YOU SO - Blimey that's good! What's the info? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Just thought of a couple I love that seldom get heard now, Corey Blake- how can I..... and Cornelius ans sisiter rose- too late to turn back now Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest wrighty Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Blimey that's good! What's the info? "i love you so" by sugar bear, out of texas on the drells label Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 Two that I don't think have been mentioned so far but are all-time gems are Herman Hitson on Sweet Rose and Merv Murphy on Simmons. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest wrighty Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Herman Hitson on Sweet Rose good call gareth Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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