had a "discussion" with a fellow local dj tonite (he is a lot better known than me) regarding what is northern soul. He totally discounts r&b, modern and cross-over, citing only tunes that were played in Wigans early years, where-as i stated that anything played (and danced to at a soul night/ all-dayer) should be classed at least as soul music and probably as northern soul.

I know that i'm opening a can of worms with this, but who is right?

p.s He is a member on here (and so am i) so no rough stuff.

Been done a million times already mate so the can of worms really can and have on several occasions turned into rattle snakes so it just aint worth it. Its swings and roundabouts, or another mans poison is one mans medicine etc....

So best leave it be me thinks.........

Nah ..........F*** that!!

HE IS CORRECT...........End of!!

It's up to the individual mate , it's like creation verses evolution or historical academics arguing over the most destructive weapon devised by man ( sword verses the atom bomb) .I.m into classic British motor bikes (At the moment I've got a 1955 Francis Barnet light cruser) my mate is Yamaha mad and for him a "real bike is Japanese" so what is real northern soul ? surely anything played at a northern soul night or nighter ect that get's people moving on the wood mate regards Simon.

Northern Soul is anything from Paul Anka & Benny Troy to Bobby Womack & Linda Jones.................... it's not "pure" but nevertheless has been enjoyed by many for over 40 years.

Northern Soul ceased around 1981, although some clubs still play Northern Soul records.

Northern Soul came to life as a youth cult: a 'scene' made up of like-minded people with shared musical tastes. Now it is a 'mature scene' of occasionally like-mined people who still have a love for aspects of the same music. Many have become cantankerous with age and set in their ways. For these people the 'scene' is no longer alive. Instead it is a thing of nostalgic beauty, full of warmth and happy memories that allow them to revisit their youth over and over again.

For others, the 'scene' has never stopped being alive. For them it is a scene that, even 40 years later, continues to develop.

Northern Soul is and always has been a cultural phenomenon, not a musical one. This is because Northern Soul does not exist as a musical form and never has done. No artist or group ever set out in the 60s to record a 'Northern Soul' song. Apart from a handful of spurious tailor-made recordings the same is true for the 70s.

The question of "what is Northern Soul music' thus cannot be answered. Instead, the question should be "what sort of music is played and listened to by people on the Northern Soul Scene?"

That would give you a much more sensible answer. It would also reduce the possibilities for the type of fractious opinions that this type of discussion always creates.

its like arguing abot religion which of course it is to some,and look at how that affects the world

kev

Don`t worry about it mate, who cares what others think , just go and do what you love doing and listen to some fantastic soul music , there`s so much out there

Regards

Julie

Have you watched the eurovision song contest?

i never went to Wigan, Stafford, the Wheel, The Torch, Samanthas, Yate, etc etc etc i dont care what was played where and by who back in the day cos that was back in the day i live now and listen to tunes that excite me now and if the last 6 years is anyhting to go by since ive been in the scene i cant wait to hear all them other tunes i aint heard yet whatever term they are pigeon holed too, if its got a feel a beat and that little something that stirs you up inside then thats all that matters to me

Have you watched the eurovision song contest?

Wasn`t A "Soul Song" once entered ????

Edited October 1, 201113 yr by Julie Moore

Wasn`t A "Soul Song" once entered ????

rumour has it Muriel Day "9 times out of 10" was an Irish contender for a choice for Eurovision (I think?)

Been done a million times already mate so the can of worms really can and have on several occasions turned into rattle snakes so it just aint worth it. Its swings and roundabouts, or another mans poison is one mans medicine etc....

So best leave it be me thinks.........

Nah ..........F*** that!!

HE IS CORRECT...........End of!!

His friend is correct.....he forgot to tell him it's got to be uptempo as well

rumour has it Muriel Day "9 times out of 10" was an Irish contender for a choice for Eurovision (I think?)

Urban myth, she did represent Ireland in the Eurovision song contest but not with that song.

"citing only tunes that were played in Wigans early years"

Many of you on here have the history far beyond me, but the above can only be totally and utterly false.............nothing before or after Wigan ?

Perhaps it was a throwaway comment...............

had a "discussion" with a fellow local dj tonite (he is a lot better known than me) regarding what is northern soul. He totally discounts r&b, modern and cross-over, citing only tunes that were played in Wigans early years, where-as i stated that anything played (and danced to at a soul night/ all-dayer) should be classed at least as soul music and probably as northern soul.

I know that i'm opening a can of worms with this, but who is right?

p.s He is a member on here (and so am i) so no rough stuff.

I'd say this is the other way around, it can all be classed as northern soul if it's accepted and danced to on the scene, but it's not all soul music.

Whether it's good or bad northern soul is a different matter.

had a "discussion" with a fellow local dj tonite (he is a lot better known than me) regarding what is northern soul. He totally discounts r&b, modern and cross-over, citing only tunes that were played in Wigans early years, where-as i stated that anything played (and danced to at a soul night/ all-dayer) should be classed at least as soul music and probably as northern soul.

I know that i'm opening a can of worms with this, but who is right?

p.s He is a member on here (and so am i) so no rough stuff.

I'd suggest your friend has a very, very limited experience of the Northern Soul scene. So the legendary plays by Searlling etc 79 0nwards at the Casino don't count or nothing played at Stafford, Lifeline, 100 Club etc is Northern Soul?

Bless

Edited October 1, 201113 yr by Byrney

Urban myth, she did represent Ireland in the Eurovision song contest but not with that song.

OK OK! I did say "rumour" and anyway - What are you doing making posts? Shouldn't you be enjoying the sunshine with the family?

Non-mainsteam, upbeat soul with a range of styles from jazz through funk, and unfortunately, occasionally some soul flavoured pop. So you're mate's definition of "if it wasn't played at Wigan in the early years" it's out of bounds, doesn't work for me. Though come to think of it all of the above were covered at Wigan at some point or another.

Edited October 1, 201113 yr by Wrongcrowd

neither cos strictly speaking dave godins term meant the uptempo mid 60s sound that northerners wanted as apposed to the slower maybe more produced and polished sounds of the late 60s and 70s ....nothing to do with which venue it was played at...and not inc mid tempo...70s..modern...rnb...etc...but it all gets played at northern soul nights

just like the double barrel tune that sean chapman played keeps getting called ska..it isnt!..musically it reggae ...similiar to ska but ska finished mid 60s...slowed down to rock steady..and then late 60s ...changed again slightly quicker to' boss' or skinhead reggae...but it all gets calles ska nowadays

anyway all a load of bollox really

dean

Edited October 1, 201113 yr by spacehopper

neither cos strictly speaking dave godins term meant the uptempo mid 60s sound that northerners wanted as apposed to the slower maybe more produced and polished sounds of the late 60s and 70s ....nothing to do with which venue it was played at...and not inc mid tempo...70s..modern...rnb...etc...but it all gets played at northern soul nights

just like the double barrel tune that sean chapman played keeps getting called ska..it isnt!..musically it reggae ...similiar to ska but ska finished mid 60s...slowed down to rock steady..and then late 60s ...changed again slightly quicker to' boss' or skinhead reggae...but it all gets calles ska nowadays

anyway all a load of bollox really

dean

That was on the Specials album, more specials, pearls cafe.

OK OK! I did say "rumour" and anyway - What are you doing making posts? Shouldn't you be enjoying the sunshine with the family?

Waiting for missus to get packed...and waiting...

That was on the Specials album, more specials, pearls cafe. :lol:

AND BOLLOX TO IT ALL!!!!

anyway ...are you mental?...settle an arguement on here????

dean

Dean, they arn`t arguments they are discussions or debates so they tell me

Regards

Julie

Can you ask your mate which weekend or particular night was the cut off point for proper northern soul/not proper northern soul so I can have a new shelf description for my 45's. check the old blues and souls playlists and fill any gaps.

had a "discussion" with a fellow local dj tonite (he is a lot better known than me) regarding what is northern soul. He totally discounts r&b, modern and cross-over, citing only tunes that were played in Wigans early years, where-as i stated that anything played (and danced to at a soul night/ all-dayer) should be classed at least as soul music and probably as northern soul.

I know that i'm opening a can of worms with this, but who is right?

p.s He is a member on here (and so am i) so no rough stuff.

I sort of agree with your mate, in 75 when northern went massive, what was being played then is and will be for a lot of people the true definition of northern, and forever be preserved in amber Everything else is derivative or natural progression, to the vast majority of 'soulies' IMO.

I sort of agree with your mate, in 75 when northern went massive, what was being played then is and will be for a lot of people the true definition of northern, and forever be preserved in amber Everything else is derivative or natural progression, to the vast majority of 'soulies' IMO.

Yes but much of Wigan's early stuff was Wheel, Torch,Cats etc in with the new so same can be said of early Wigan and every venue after Wheel. Later Wigan just a progression of the earlier WIgan, except for the pop crap in the middle which set it back musically, maybe those there at the time loved it but musically it was one of the worst periods of NS history for many looking back. Searling playlist from '78 onwards, any DJ would give right arm for it, it has stood the test of time and almost all are Northern Soul Classics. How anyone can discount other periods in the history of the scene is beyond me.

Any record played at a Northern Soul venue, whatever genre is a Northern Soul record. It isn't necessarily Soul Music, but it is northern Soul. I'd like to see this DJ's playlist? Does he not collect anything after say the scene circa 1975?

Yes but much of Wigan's early stuff was Wheel, Torch,Cats etc in with the new so same can be said of early Wigan and every venue after Wheel. Later Wigan just a progression of the earlier WIgan, except for the pop crap in the middle which set it back musically, maybe those there at the time loved it but musically it was one of the worst periods of NS history for many looking back. Searling playlist from '78 onwards, any DJ would give right arm for it, it has stood the test of time and almost all are Northern Soul Classics. How anyone can discount other periods in the history of the scene is beyond me.

Any record played at a Northern Soul venue, whatever genre is a Northern Soul record. It isn't necessarily Soul Music, but it is northern Soul. I'd like to see this DJ's playlist? Does he not collect anything after say the scene circa 1975?

Not disagreeing with you Chalks, all I'm meaning is that 75 for many people is a point frozen in time that typifies what the northern scene was, you've only got to look round the country at the what the venues are playing and I think it becomes a fair assessment. I'm not disrespecting what came afterwards, obviously there were major influences, but the true definition for so many would be that moment in 75 when the world found out

Northern Soul ceased around 1981, although some clubs still play Northern Soul records.

Wigan's shut? Bolox.....

Re Eurovisuin Entries

"Keep On Walking By" by Midnight which has had a few spins in recent years is the 'b' side to "Don't Bother To Knock" which was an entry in the UK heats of The Eurovision Song Contest entry in 1978.

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Any record played at a Northern Soul venue, whatever genre is a Northern Soul record. It isn't necessarily Soul Music, but it is northern Soul.

Settle an argument on here? Are you on drugs?

Yes but much of Wigan's early stuff was Wheel, Torch,Cats etc in with the new so same can be said of early Wigan and every venue after Wheel. Later Wigan just a progression of the earlier WIgan, except for the pop crap in the middle which set it back musically, maybe those there at the time loved it but musically it was one of the worst periods of NS history for many looking back. Searling playlist from '78 onwards, any DJ would give right arm for it, it has stood the test of time and almost all are Northern Soul Classics. How anyone can discount other periods in the history of the scene is beyond me.

Any record played at a Northern Soul venue, whatever genre is a Northern Soul record. It isn't necessarily Soul Music, but it is northern Soul. I'd like to see this DJ's playlist? Does he not collect anything after say the scene circa 1975?

Nail, head, hit.

Im going to play Friggin In The Riggin at our next do ....always wanted the Pistols to have a northern soul record

Im going to play Friggin In The Riggin at our next do ....always wanted the Pistols to have a northern soul record

Good on you.

I'd love to see that

Im going to play Friggin In The Riggin at our next do ....always wanted the Pistols to have a northern soul record

.............................it's a "step up" from Tony Blackburn !!!!!

had a "discussion" with a fellow local dj tonite (he is a lot better known than me) regarding what is northern soul. He totally discounts r&b, modern and cross-over, citing only tunes that were played in Wigans early years, where-as i stated that anything played (and danced to at a soul night/ all-dayer) should be classed at least as soul music and probably as northern soul.

I know that i'm opening a can of worms with this, but who is right?

p.s He is a member on here (and so am i) so no rough stuff.

Your mate's a DJ??

Is he a Northern Soul DJ?

What is a Northern Soul DJ?

Your mate's a DJ??

Is he a Northern Soul DJ?

What is a Northern Soul DJ?

Steve,everyone's a dj,remember ?.

I once heard The Goodies singing about "Black Pudding Bertha" and that she was the queen of Northen Soul. Maybe she can help. Dunno if she is on here though.

:sleep3:

Im going to play Friggin In The Riggin at our next do ....always wanted the Pistols to have a northern soul record

ive already done that and always carry it in me box with me incase i have a moment

Settle an argument on here? Are you on drugs?

joan you know i never touch them

Your mate's a DJ??

Is he a Northern Soul DJ?

What is a Northern Soul DJ?

Oldies only according to him

THanks to everybody for their answers. I still think northern soul records were found after Wigan closed it's doors for the last time (which seems to be the general concensus). I will still continue to listen to my collection of R&B, modern,cross-over and occassional newbies and think that there are/ or should be played out. Fair enough if the dancers don't agree with me i will try again another time.