Yes, most of it was awful, but are there any "pop" tunes that people would like to hear played again?

Petula Clark's "Sign of the Times" (Warner Brothers) for example.

Edited February 28, 200619 yr by Martin Coleman

Yes, most of it was awful, but are there any "pop" tunes that people would like to hear played again?

Petula Clark's "Sign of the Times" (Warner Brothers) for example.

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watch out for the instrumental version of this by pete jolley on columbia -stormer!!!

ive always like you baby - jackie trent

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watch out for the instrumental version of this by pete jolley on columbia -stormer!!!

ive always like you baby - jackie trent

Pinky & Perky.. The Push Bike Song.

Pinky & Perky.. The Push Bike Song.

cracker follow that with the same artists DOING SHE LOVES YOU,

awesome

Paper dolls - Something here in my heart

Mama Cass - Dream a Little dream

Steve Harley - Sebastian

Clodagh Rogers - Midnight

Ahhh Childhood Memories

Pinky & Perky.. The Push Bike Song.

Always thought this was their best Northern track

Pinky Perky People That S Why.mp3

Paul

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Mickey Moonshine - brilliant !!

none

Beat me to it

Edited February 28, 200619 yr by Baz

funniest thread in weeks, very ironic

i'm actually on a pop forum as well as this and they're all getting very heated about soul being played on their scene, the fools

Yes, most of it was awful, but are there any "pop" tunes that people would like to hear played again?

Petula Clark's "Sign of the Times" (Warner Brothers) for example.

johnny mathis "come back" which actually appeared on anglo american northern list, great record!

"far from the hurting kind" by tracie (stomper!)

"loveman"/"if thats what you want" mari wilson (great double sider!!) and finally "papas got a brand new pigbag" (awesome)

funniest thread in weeks, very ironic

i'm actually on a pop forum as well as this and they're all getting very heated about soul being played on their scene, the fools

Yeah Dan, i'm on the self same forum, that Lieutenant Pigeon fan is threatening the Archies fan with a good kicking if he/she dares mention the intrinsic value of northern soul when faced with the wonder of "Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep, Cheep..........

Yeah Dan, i'm on the self same forum, that Lieutenant Pigeon fan is threatening the Archies fan with a good kicking if he/she dares mention the intrinsic value of northern soul when faced with the wonder of "Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep, Cheep..........

yeh did you see that thread about whether it was acceptable to play lou pride as part of a set of white 60s british invasion pop?

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Hi Chalky,

What, absolutely none? Of all the "pop" records that have been played on the scene is there not one that you've liked?

funniest thread in weeks, very ironic

i'm actually on a pop forum as well as this and they're all getting very heated about soul being played on their scene, the fools

Hi Dan,

the ironic thing is that I was being serious!

Pop stompers used to be played all the time, and not all records produced for the popular market are necessarily devoid of soul. Are they?

dawn "i,m afraid their all talkin about me" only heard it played out years ago about twice, and also never seen a copy for sale, and any one got a decent soundfile, and a value

Do you mean out and out pop records or so called blue eyed soul records? bit of a difference there me thinks, when you consider how many so called big Northern records are infact by white or non afro American artists?

Are we talking Paul Anka here or Little Ritchie? both white but worlds apart, or are you talking some of the dross played as Northern over the years...yes i said dross, still there are plenty of dross Black records too so it's a pretty even playing field sometimes lol...long live Lou Roberts, Buck Rogers, Jay Traynor etc.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Muriel Day's "Nine times out of ten" because I'd still be a teenager. No one dare play such records now, or would they?

Martin

Hi Dan,

the ironic thing is that I was being serious!

Pop stompers used to be played all the time, and not all records produced for the popular market are necessarily devoid of soul. Are they?

Thats American standards of irony.

It used to be acceptable to send small children up chimneys for no pay or impale your neighbour due to a dispute over a farthing, times have moved on!

I retire to my dark urine stained corner hugging my picture of OV Wright muttering dementedly why did we bother including the word soul!!

Jock

P.J Proby - You Can't Come Home Again

Do you mean out and out pop records or so called blue eyed soul records? bit of a difference there me thinks, when you consider how many so called big Northern records are infact by white or non afro American artists?

Are we talking Paul Anka here or Little Ritchie? both white but worlds apart, or are you talking some of the dross played as Northern over the years...yes i said dross, still there are plenty of dross Black records too so it's a pretty even playing field sometimes lol...long live Lou Roberts, Buck Rogers, Jay Traynor etc.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Hi Mark,

I guess I mean records that have been produced for the "popular" (not R n B ) market. So, more Paul Anka. Having said that I'm really not sure how to draw the line between pop and blue-eyed soul. Isn't it just a judgement call on whether you think the lyrics are "soulful"? Elvis Presley - Rubberknecking = pop, Paul Anka = soul? But then, if we're going to go by lyrical content, then no instrumental can be classified as soul. I don't know. I think I've confused myself now.

Let's say, for argument's sake, black or white, produced for the popular market but with soulful lyrics.

Edited February 28, 200619 yr by Martin Coleman

Let's say, for argument's sake, black or white, produced for the popular market but with soulful lyrics.

Do you mean most of the stuff released by Motown during the sixties?

Do you mean out and out pop records or so called blue eyed soul records? bit of a difference there me thinks, when you consider how many so called big Northern records are infact by white or non afro American artists?

Are we talking Paul Anka here or Little Ritchie? both white but worlds apart, or are you talking some of the dross played as Northern over the years...yes i said dross, still there are plenty of dross Black records too so it's a pretty even playing field sometimes lol...long live Lou Roberts, Buck Rogers, Jay Traynor etc.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Had NO idea that Little Ritchie was white!

Paul Anka = probably the epitome of Northern (soul!?) That's a can of worms...

Mitch Ryder does it for me everytime. You get your kicks and Breakout.

Yes, most of it was awful, but are there any "pop" tunes that people would like to hear played again?

Petula Clark's "Sign of the Times" (Warner Brothers) for example.

Casting my memory back 30 + years ago I seem to recall a tune with the lyrics "RUNNING BEAR" which was played all the time, not sure if it was a stomper though and I would prefer not to hear it again

mike mcdonald - god knows

tom jones - stop breaking my heart

i'd say august and deneen- we go together is as poppy as it comes but brings back great memories of lost youth.

i decided to play the present- many's the slip recently against some of my peers advice and wishes, it rammed the floor......poptastic matey

Had NO idea that Little Ritchie was white!

Paul Anka = probably the epitome of Northern (soul!?) That's a can of worms...

Mitch Ryder does it for me everytime. You get your kicks and Breakout.

I'm pretty sure that somewhere down the line i read or was told that Little Ritchie was white, either way it matters very little as the end result was top draw Northern.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

The Embers

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watch out for the instrumental version of this by pete jolley on columbia -stormer!!!

ive always like you baby - jackie trent

I also like You Baby by Miss Trent

I posted a 1min snippet on the site........

The Embers

Say no more Mark

Mark Bicknell.

Three decent pop records which I wouldn't mind hearing out are:

Paula Parfitt - Love Is Wonderful

MVPs - Turning My Heartbeat Up

Burning Bush - Keeps On Burning

Good dance records with no pretentions, clearly stirring tunes (but not soul), and everyone can have fun dancing to.

OK on the odd occasion, to bring back great memories and help us from taking ourselves too seriously, whilst at the same time not being too ridiculous or sickly, or having cringeworthy vocals (such as Paul Anka, Judy Street, Blanche Carter, Lynne Randell, Johnny Caswell, Jay Traynor, Sue Lynn, Toni Basil, and many others).

Some dreadful non-soul records I do NOT want to hear, but unfortunately seem to be revered in some quarters (rarity/price/exclusivity and all that sort of stuff) :

Billy Arnell - Tough Girl

Tony Galla - In Love

Fluffy Falana - My Little Cottage

Joey Delorenzo - Wake Up To The Sunshine Girl

Bobby Paris - I Walked Away

The Group - I Don't Like To Lose

Joey Heatherton - When You Call Me Baby

Stemmons Express - Woman, Love, Thief

Freddie Chavez - They'll Never Know Why

etc. etc.

All of which are either uptempo cabaret or pretendie-soul, and can sometimes fool us poor punters when the sound systems are awful and the volume deafening with the bass turned up. Play them at home and the true horror is revealed. Ughhh!!!!

I'm pretty sure that somewhere down the line i read or was told that Little Ritchie was white, either way it matters very little as the end result was top draw Northern.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Wasn't taking issue Mark - you may well be right. And I totally agree, NS of the highest order!

Three decent pop records which I wouldn't mind hearing out are:

Paula Parfitt - Love Is Wonderful

MVPs - Turning My Heartbeat Up

Burning Bush - Keeps On Burning

Good dance records with no pretentions, clearly stirring tunes (but not soul), and everyone can have fun dancing to.

OK on the odd occasion, to bring back great memories and help us from taking ourselves too seriously, whilst at the same time not being too ridiculous or sickly, or having cringeworthy vocals (such as Paul Anka, Judy Street, Blanche Carter, Lynne Randell, Johnny Caswell, Jay Traynor, Sue Lynn, Toni Basil, and many others).

Some dreadful non-soul records I do NOT want to hear, but unfortunately seem to be revered in some quarters (rarity/price/exclusivity and all that sort of stuff) :

Billy Arnell - Tough Girl

Tony Galla - In Love

Fluffy Falana - My Little Cottage

Joey Delorenzo - Wake Up To The Sunshine Girl

Bobby Paris - I Walked Away

The Group - I Don't Like To Lose

Joey Heatherton - When You Call Me Baby

Stemmons Express - Woman, Love, Thief

Freddie Chavez - They'll Never Know Why

etc. etc.

All of which are either uptempo cabaret or pretendie-soul, and can sometimes fool us poor punters when the sound systems are awful and the volume deafening with the bass turned up. Play them at home and the true horror is revealed. Ughhh!!!!

Agree with Stemmons Express !!! How can anyone prefer this to Precisions - Such Misery ?

Not sure about Billy Arnell being on your list though !

I must admit to always having had a preference for The Stemmons Express over The Precisions: the former has a mystique about it which the latter lacks, despite being a cracking record in its own right. The Stemmons Express 45 has a shimmery flower-power haze about it that I find strangely compelling.

Agree with Stemmons Express !!! How can anyone prefer this to Precisions - Such Misery ?

Not sure about Billy Arnell being on your list though !

I actually prefer the Precisions

Hi Chalky,

What, absolutely none? Of all the "pop" records that have been played on the scene is there not one that you've liked?

There's plenty but when there are thousands of quality soul records worthy of playing why play pop

Wasn't taking issue Mark - you may well be right. And I totally agree, NS of the highest order!

I never said you were taking issue mate...lol sometimes things come over on here as a little harsh my fault in the way i replied...fantastic record though proper Northern as we say...lol

Mark Bicknell.

One pop record which brings back 'Youth Club' memories is Gettin Ready for Love by Paintbox.

In the style of Alan Partridge ' Never hear it now, never hear it'

Three decent pop records which I wouldn't mind hearing out are:

Paula Parfitt - Love Is Wonderful

MVPs - Turning My Heartbeat Up

Burning Bush - Keeps On Burning

Good dance records with no pretentions, clearly stirring tunes (but not soul), and everyone can have fun dancing to.

OK on the odd occasion, to bring back great memories and help us from taking ourselves too seriously, whilst at the same time not being too ridiculous or sickly, or having cringeworthy vocals (such as Paul Anka, Judy Street, Blanche Carter, Lynne Randell, Johnny Caswell, Jay Traynor, Sue Lynn, Toni Basil, and many others).

Some dreadful non-soul records I do NOT want to hear, but unfortunately seem to be revered in some quarters (rarity/price/exclusivity and all that sort of stuff) :

Billy Arnell - Tough Girl

Tony Galla - In Love

Fluffy Falana - My Little Cottage

Joey Delorenzo - Wake Up To The Sunshine Girl

Bobby Paris - I Walked Away

The Group - I Don't Like To Lose

Joey Heatherton - When You Call Me Baby

Stemmons Express - Woman, Love, Thief

Freddie Chavez - They'll Never Know Why

etc. etc.

All of which are either uptempo cabaret or pretendie-soul, and can sometimes fool us poor punters when the sound systems are awful and the volume deafening with the bass turned up. Play them at home and the true horror is revealed. Ughhh!!!!

Your'e 3 choices are top mate but the one's you name and shame Fuffy Flana etc - all top tunes with the exception of Joey whatshisname

Your'e 3 choices are top mate but the one's you name and shame Fuffy Flana etc - all top tunes with the exception of Joey whatshisname

I would prefer to hear The Group, Freddie Chavez and Tony Galla over all his choices

Your'e 3 choices are top mate but the one's you name and shame Fuffy Flana etc - all top tunes with the exception of Joey whatshisname

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at the end of the day the DANCEFLOOR will always dictate.whats popular and what isnt.

joey dilenzo sounded brill at the dome and records of that ilk,,oxford nights etc but some people tar em as white,pop etc

probably the same feeling when all the uk white stuff,,paula parfitt,etc had on the dancers in the 70's

im glad i like all types of northern soul and take or leave the ones im not particular fond of..

Yes, most of it was awful, but are there any "pop" tunes that people would like to hear played again?

Petula Clark's "Sign of the Times" (Warner Brothers) for example.

Kiki Dee. Magic Carpet Ride. .

Judith Durham. Again and Again.

Dawn. Love,s a Magic Word.

Paul Newman & the Excaliburs. Aint you got a Heart.

Sue Lynne. Dont Pity Me.

Still got all these records

All Big tunes from the Casino

Steve

Kiki Dee. Magic Carpet Ride. .

Judith Durham. Again and Again.

Dawn. Love,s a Magic Word.

Paul Newman & the Excaliburs. Aint you got a Heart.

Sue Lynne. Dont Pity Me.

Still got all these records

All Big tunes from the Casino

Steve

me 2 steve

is your paul newman a bit tinny????

its on mercury innit?

still love all these tunes

but i have moved on...(LOL)

Good dance records with no pretentions, clearly stirring tunes (but not soul), and everyone can have fun dancing to.

OK on the odd occasion, to bring back great memories and help us from taking ourselves too seriously,

I totally agree with you. I'm all for a little bit of fun every now and again.

Why is everyone down on Joey Delorenzo? I love that record. And Freddie Chavez is in my all time top 10.

Incidently, Fluffy Falana always reminds me of Felice Taylor's "It may be Winter Outside". Another great pop tune.

me 2 steve

is your paul newman a bit tinny????

its on mercury innit?

still love all these tunes

but i have moved on...(LOL)

Yeah Mark the Paul Newman is a British Mercury Issue, Didnt think it sounded tinny though, will have to check. Played it at Sheridans as a request and emptied the floor apart from the lad that asked for it. I hope we have all moved on musically but they cant take away the memoiries can they ?

Steve

No Pop. Ever. This is Soul. Rare, Northern or otherwise.

If you want "Pop" let Fearne Cotton be your guide (rather than your conscience).

Edited March 2, 200619 yr by sweeney

LOve feeling - Val Mckenna- Pure pop

Three decent pop records which I wouldn't mind hearing out are:

Paula Parfitt - Love Is Wonderful

MVPs - Turning My Heartbeat Up

Burning Bush - Keeps On Burning

Good dance records with no pretentions, clearly stirring tunes (but not soul), and everyone can have fun dancing to.

OK on the odd occasion, to bring back great memories and help us from taking ourselves too seriously, whilst at the same time not being too ridiculous or sickly, or having cringeworthy vocals (such as Paul Anka, Judy Street, Blanche Carter, Lynne Randell, Johnny Caswell, Jay Traynor, Sue Lynn, Toni Basil, and many others).

Some dreadful non-soul records I do NOT want to hear, but unfortunately seem to be revered in some quarters (rarity/price/exclusivity and all that sort of stuff) :

Billy Arnell - Tough Girl

Tony Galla - In Love

Fluffy Falana - My Little Cottage

Joey Delorenzo - Wake Up To The Sunshine Girl

Bobby Paris - I Walked Away

The Group - I Don't Like To Lose

Joey Heatherton - When You Call Me Baby

Stemmons Express - Woman, Love, Thief

Freddie Chavez - They'll Never Know Why

etc. etc.

All of which are either uptempo cabaret or pretendie-soul, and can sometimes fool us poor punters when the sound systems are awful and the volume deafening with the bass turned up. Play them at home and the true horror is revealed. Ughhh!!!!

I thought that this was the best post yet on this subject until the last bit..Galla, Falana, Stemmons, Group, all as good as anything ever played! In fact, anyone who thinks The group shouldn't be played is really missing the point of Northern Soul because it is the absolute epitome, and also the last great record that people travelled 200 miles just to hear!

Hi chaps. Just a bit of elaboration for your amusement.

The trouble with the records I gave as examples (of ones I didn't want to hear) is that they are not soul and are also pretentious. Plus, there are too many people (to quote, with irony, Bobby Goldsboro!!) who either think they are soul records, or who desperately want them to be - maybe because they own copies, or perhaps because they don't like the thought of having been deceived by the DJs who originally played them. These DJs should have known better and played better sides, of which there were plenty.

Billy Arnell, Joey Heatherton and Joey Delorenzo are just cabaret tunes (albeit Arnell's is quite a good one) - just imagine them performing on a cruise liner or at Butlins next time you hear them, or even (they wish!) at Las Vegas as a warm up for Tom Jones, and it'll become apparent.

Most of the others simply have GRUFF voices. Listen again to the vocals - particularly the lead, but also the harmonies. Gravel in your throat does not a soul record make!

As for Fluffy Falana and Stemmons Express - christ knows what they were up to?!? But anywhere near real soul it certainly ain't!!

And if you're still in doubt, listen (in particular to the vocals) of any of the above records and then immediately afterwards play something like Willie Hutch - Love Runs Out, Masqueraders - How, Linda Jones - Just Can't Live My Life, Barbara Lynn - This Is The Thanks I Get, or Darrell Banks - Open The Door To Your Heart (or, in fact, virtually any record by these artists!). The soul / non-soul chasm will be stark.

Like Sweeney says, it should really only ever be soul that's played. But in the spirit of the thread there are a limited few pop tunes which aren't too bad to hear occasionally for a bit of fun, and because they are good unpretentious dance tunes which deserve a bit of recognition.

And in that same spirit, I've thought of another decent one (I must be turning into a bit of a pop-ite!!!):

Startones - Lovin' You Baby

. . . actually a great record - soul influenced pop at its best!

Enough for now. In the ultra poppy words of Lynne Randell . . . 'Ciao Baby'. Lol !!!!

Kiki Dee. Magic Carpet Ride. .

Judith Durham. Again and Again.

Dawn. Love,s a Magic Word.

Paul Newman & the Excaliburs. Aint you got a Heart.

Sue Lynne. Dont Pity Me.

Still got all these records

All Big tunes from the Casino

Steve

The reason all these tune were played (Except Dawn) along with loads of others at the time was because British label releases were the order of the day. Can't remember exactly but early on things like Chapter 5, Muriel Day ect were avidly picked up on and played not by the Searlings but by Keith Minsh amongst others. I could sell anything that was dancable at the time. Winstanley was playing some horrible made to order stuff and anything went.

I was asked to get a M.Day, which I did, and couldn't work out which side it was wanted for. It was, is and forever more be, SHITE. There were some really good sounding pop records like Frankie & Johnnie which I would always rate, along side things like Mickey Moonshine. That is just one excellent record. Pity Ian L. can't get them up to that standard. I was responsible for finding and selling all manner of dancable British pop records because they were wanted at the time. Wigan played a lot of crap inbetween the good. The thing was, at the time most people were younger and accepted what was played. It's only with hindsight and knowledge that you realise how bad they were. However memory is a funny thing and everyone (mostly) remembers a certain tune to a place, partner or incident, which affects judgement.

The base line is: most of the pop played was because the DJs playing it couldn't get better records from the U.S..