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I have to assume they are legitimate unless someone here tells me otherwise. When going through a basement of record shop in the US I was finding these in clear plastic bags, sealed. I know they re-issued the Cooperettes, anything else ?

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ps : Shop was The Record Exchange in Cherokee, St. Louis, body armour optional but advisory..............

 

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All on STYRENE

 

These two have a Scratched Matrix

I did read somewhere that these were made only for the Northern Market. I bought them early 70s.

 

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This Jackie Wilson has a STAMPED Matrix and is a RE-ISSUE

 

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I always assumed they were legitimate re-releases as they appear top-quality. Have found them amongst distributor stock in Brunswick sleeves, but oddly enough, not come across them too often in used record stores. Kept every one I found as they look the business and good tunes are worth having in every format.

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Chris , I had HERB JOHNSON - I'M SO GLAD on the gold label , which I believe is a legit re-issue, I think ?

 

 

:thumbsup:

 

I think I had that once, I do have the Cooperettes still, labels are on the wrong way round.

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I'm pretty sure they're legit but no way were most of them done for the US market. Herb Johnson and Cooperettes? Someone on here like Neil Rushton must have a story about commissioning the reissues.

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I'm pretty sure they're legit but no way were most of them done for the US market. Herb Johnson and Cooperettes? Someone on here like Neil Rushton must have a story about commissioning the reissues.

 

UK market definitely. These were early re-presses so I'd guess they were Selectadisc commissions.

 

Ian D :D

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I saw so very many of them during my wanderings in USA, even sold as oldies in record shops.  I just thought they were Brunswick's "oldies" line in the 1970s, like Capitol Starline was Capitol's oldies line in the 1960s.  If they were commissioned by a Brit for sales in The UK, how did so many end up sold retail new, in US record shops?

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I saw so very many of them during my wanderings in USA, even sold as oldies in record shops.  I just thought they were Brunswick's "oldies" line in the 1970s, like Capitol Starline was Capitol's oldies line in the 1960s.  If they were commissioned by a Brit for sales in The UK, how did so many end up sold retail new, in US record shops?

 

maybe they used the gold label for US-targeted reissues too, but did you see herb johnson and the cooperettes and billy butler? they didn't sell the first time around before they were reissued.

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UK market definitely. These were early re-presses so I'd guess they were Selectadisc commissions.

 

Ian D :D

 

Doubt it, they couldn't have gotten into Cherokee, St Louis without an armed escort.

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Doubt it, they couldn't have gotten into Cherokee, St Louis without an armed escort.

Never had any problems visiting the old store on Cherokee. Never found much in the shop or the basement. When the store relocated to the library on Hampton I did OK as there were plenty of fresh records on the racks. East St Louis can be dodgy but St Louis on the west bank is fine. St Louis is not much cop for records so drove straight through in 2011 and 2012. On reflection, when I came across the gold label re-issues in used condition, I would ignore them believing them to be Oldies Series to focus on the yellow demos or black issues; nowadays I would pick them up, especially in pristine condition.

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Never had any problems visiting the old store on Cherokee. Never found much in the shop or the basement. When the store relocated to the library on Hampton I did OK as there were plenty of fresh records on the racks. East St Louis can be dodgy but St Louis on the west bank is fine. St Louis is not much cop for records so drove straight through in 2011 and 2012. On reflection, when I came across the gold label re-issues in used condition, I would ignore them believing them to be Oldies Series to focus on the yellow demos or black issues; nowadays I would pick them up, especially in pristine condition.

 

When I was there they had both stores, Cherokee & Hampton. My very first trip was quite a success, pulled quite a lot out of there, used to go upstairs into that room where all the "specials" were kept, can't remember the owners name, was it something like Gwen ? Halcyon days  :thumbsup:  I used to work for Emerson Electric who's headquarters were in Florissant, they went bonkers when I told them I'd spent 3 days in Cherokee and forbade me to go back again. Which of course I obeyed  :wicked:

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They do look different don't they ? Mine has scratched matrix, I also have a Jackie Wilson somewhere I'll take a look at it.

Mine                                                                                                45cellar's

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They do look different don't they ? Mine has scratched matrix, I also have a Jackie Wilson somewhere I'll take a look at it.

Mine                                                                                                45cellar's

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Now that is Interesting.

Obviously more than one run at the pressing plant or printers for this release.

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As well as the Billy Butler above I have 'I'm Gonna Miss You' by the Artistics - always struck me - as RobbK  says - as the 'oldies' line.  Surely any demand specifically for the UK would of been met by UK issues/re-issues?

 

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Makes you wonder where these fit into the picture ? The original release was 1966, this says 1974 & 1983, could it be that the 1974 re-issue is the gold one ?

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collectables is a reissue label loads of stuff out on this

 

 regarding the gold brunswick i've had jackie wison & count basie  uptight and barbara acklin love makes a woman recently

kev

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As well as the Billy Butler above I have 'I'm Gonna Miss You' by the Artistics - always struck me - as RobbK  says - as the 'oldies' line.  Surely any demand specifically for the UK would of been met by UK issues/re-issues?

 

Mike

 

There was also the okeh small 45 reissues mike, US done for the northern market early 70s

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Makes you wonder where these fit into the picture ? The original release was 1966, this says 1974 & 1983, could it be that the 1974 re-issue is the gold one ?

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Yes.  !974 sounds right for the gold re-issues.  Those were done directly by Brunswick (which was sill in business) -must have been by their Oldies Department/Division.  By 1983, I believe that Brunswick was out of business.  So Collectables probably just bought or leased the rights to those cuts, and re-issued them on a lookalike Brunswick label, similar to their re-issuing of Phil-les records and previously unissued material on look-alike labels with the Collectables logo superimposed.  They did that for some other defunct labels, as well.

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Chi Lites - Have you seen her (1023)

Jackie Wilson - I'm the one to do it / Higher and higher (1012)

Jackie Wilson - You bought about a change in me / For once in my life (1017)

Jackie Wilson - Nothing but blue skies / Sweetest feeling (1022)

 

don't think those were mentioned yet

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There was also the okeh small 45 reissues mike, US done for the northern market early 70s

Steve, I realise that there were many sides done specifically for the UK for sure - but by and large those were not things that had already had a UK release and a re-issue like the Artistics - came out on Coral in '66 then MCA  in 70 (and finally on Brunswick in '76)

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From 45cat.

"Brunswick's "gold label" reissue series was pressed out of PRC Recording Corp. in Richmond, IN, with lacquer mastering done at Masterdisk by (mostly) Gilbert Kong. The label design was crimped from what was used for promos of regular releases in the last years of Brunswick's being distributed by Decca / MCA".

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I think there are two separate lots of gold label pressings:

 

The ones done for the US market, which are re-releases of popular oldies (Jackie Wilson, Barabara Acklin etc use a new numbering system 1002 - 1030. The ones done for the UK, re-releases of in demand Northern Soul tunes (cooperettes, Herb Johnson etc) retain the catalogue numbers of the original issues.

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Makes you wonder where these fit into the picture ? The original release was 1966, this says 1974 & 1983, could it be that the 1974 re-issue is the gold one ?

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This is done by Collectables, who specialized in reissuing US 45s for the US market (jukeboxes or just people who wanted the record to play). Collectables did not exist until 1980:

 

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At Global and later Robinson's Records in Manchester I ordered a few titles in the Brunswick oldies series for wholesaling to UK shops. The best seller was Higher and Higher and Have You Seen Her. Most of the series was early Jackie Wilson US hits. Brunswick didn't push them much and never seemed to issue new oldies, but I suppose they didn't have many hits after the mid 70s. They used to go out of stock for months and months. They would come from a one stop in the US as it wasn't worth going straight to Brunswick.

As everyone says above the Northern titles were for UK consumption. I should think Selectadisc or whoever, asked for an exclusive on the titles. Brunswick probably "agreed" to this but must have lost count and pressed a few thousand extra which is why some turn up in the US. I once found a 200 count box of Porgy and the Monarchs- My Heart Cries For You on the Musicor re-issue in a record warehouse in the US so it seems some UK titles had extra stock not sent over here. The only other way they could be in the US would be for Selectadisc to send back unsold stock, but this is very unlikely as it would cost too much and the chances of Brunswick taking back stock are a million to one.

I never tried ordering the northern Brunswick stuff as once Selectadisc had them there was no demand for more copies.

Rick

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Not true Ian, I found them in the US.

 

Me too Chris. I also found 200 copies of the UA special pressing of "Breakaway" - The Steve Karmen Big Band in a goodwill store in East L.A. Records get everywhere and who knows how? There would be no reason for Brunswick to re-press the Cooperettes or Johnny Jones for the U.S. as they couldn't sell 'em first time around and there'd be no demand anyway. See Rick's post above.

 

Ian D  :D

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