Hi Guys,

First post on here so I best start by saying hello.

Can any of you let me know how I can tell if my copy of Jimmy Raye "Philly Dog around the world" on KKC is original or a boot? And how much it's worth.

I have asked a couple of people and not had any definite answers only to say that the boots are good copies. One did offer me £150.00 for it though!

Thanks in advance for you help.

Ross.

Weston - Super - Mare.

Hi Guys,

First post on here so I best start by saying hello.

Can any of you let me know how I can tell if my copy of Jimmy Raye "Philly Dog around the world" on KKC is original or a boot? And how much it's worth.

I have asked a couple of people and not had any definite answers only to say that the boots are good copies. One did offer me £150.00 for it though!

Thanks in advance for you help.

Ross.

Weston - Super - Mare.

We would have to see the record in question,wouldnt we?,wellcome Ross.......to the nut-house

Hi Guys,

First post on here so I best start by saying hello.

Can any of you let me know how I can tell if my copy of Jimmy Raye "Philly Dog around the world" on KKC is original or a boot? And how much it's worth.

I have asked a couple of people and not had any definite answers only to say that the boots are good copies. One did offer me £150.00 for it though!

Thanks in advance for you help.

Ross.

Weston - Super - Mare.

if its a boot and they are offering £150 then your quids in mate If its an original keep hold of it. Can you scan it, describe matrix detail on run out etc? The soul detectives will be able to tell if original or not from that

Grant

Hi Guys,

First post on here so I best start by saying hello.

Can any of you let me know how I can tell if my copy of Jimmy Raye "Philly Dog around the world" on KKC is original or a boot? And how much it's worth.

I have asked a couple of people and not had any definite answers only to say that the boots are good copies. One did offer me £150.00 for it though!

Thanks in advance for you help.

Ross.

Weston - Super - Mare.

Here's a scan of an original if that helps

Dave

Here's a scan of an original if that helps

Dave

And here's the bootleg - tough one to spot!

And here's the bootleg - tough one to spot!

The bootleg looks a lot bigger.

The bootleg looks a lot bigger.

Your brain looks like a pea

Your brain looks like a pea

It will do if you've got it in your mouth

And here's the bootleg - tough one to spot!

Boot-leg looks nicer,but its not about looks,is it!!

Hi Guys,

First post on here so I best start by saying hello.

Can any of you let me know how I can tell if my copy of Jimmy Raye "Philly Dog around the world" on KKC is original or a boot? And how much it's worth.

I have asked a couple of people and not had any definite answers only to say that the boots are good copies. One did offer me £150.00 for it though!

Thanks in advance for you help.

Ross.

Weston - Super - Mare.

Welcome Ross....

It's a boot if has "missing" Arranged by STICK EVANS credits under TIME: 2.45 is a give away.... and strangely the "extra" JODAX wording before the (BMI) also....

But also print definition is not as clear and defined on the brighter blue coloured label, not as "rich"....

Oh.... and while your looking, no small undefinable stamp in run off.... just S-002-B....

Strange figure to offer you unless "buyer" thinks/knows it's an original and trying to get a steal.... more like £400+.... but £10- for the boot....

Hi Guys,

First post on here so I best start by saying hello.

Can any of you let me know how I can tell if my copy of Jimmy Raye "Philly Dog around the world" on KKC is original or a boot? And how much it's worth.

I have asked a couple of people and not had any definite answers only to say that the boots are good copies. One did offer me £150.00 for it though!

Thanks in advance for you help.

Ross.

Weston - Super - Mare.

Ross mate, how're you doing? Haven't seen you in ages. Remember puzzling over this in that little do on Weston seafront about 4 years ago.

Best.

MARK WHITE, Cardiff

One of the toughest boots to detect at first glance, but the matrix is the clue. If it's an original the 150 would be robbery!

Go back to him and take the £150, do it now!!!!!!

didn't one of these go quite cheap on ebay last week?

tremendo record. that intro... eppy tome of northern in my book...

Edited August 10, 200618 yr by macca

Welcome Ross....

It's a boot if has "missing" Arranged by STICK EVANS credits under TIME: 2.45 is a give away.... and strangely the "extra" JODAX wording before the (BMI) also....

But also print definition is not as clear and defined on the brighter blue coloured label, not as "rich"....

Oh.... and while your looking, no small undefinable stamp in run off.... just S-002-B....

Strange figure to offer you unless "buyer" thinks/knows it's an original and trying to get a steal.... more like £400+.... but £10- for the boot....

there is a small matrix stamp on the original in the run out

Ross mate, how're you doing? Haven't seen you in ages. Remember puzzling over this in that little do on Weston seafront about 4 years ago.

Best.

MARK WHITE, Cardiff

hey hey I wonder where that was then!

How are you two? Ross you still doing the Pig - that seems to be on all the time now!

I think I've seen Ross since I last saw you Mark, that was ages ago.

Mike

there is a small matrix stamp on the original in the run out

Mine has the Matrix stamp but the label is similar to the one held up as a boot, bought it from soul Bowl in the early 90's

Mine has the Matrix stamp but the label is similar to the one held up as a boot, bought it from soul Bowl in the early 90's

it's a very good look-a-like boot, there's a light blue boot as well.

Hi Guy's,

Thanks alot for the advice and help on this. As soon as I get home from work I'll have a look and let you know. £400.00 fingers crossed!

Mark, long time no see bud, as Mike said I'm still around and doing a bit of a spin every now and then at a local do in Weston we have about once a month, It's really an oldies night trying to educate people but I do try and slip a few gems every now and again. Also try to get to Grand Atlantic and Bridgwater when I can. Hope to catch you soon.

Mike, yes mate still doing the pig and truffle, had to miss the last couple due to the Jiu Jitsu and will miss the next couple to as I Fly out to Rio at the end of the month for the world champs. Yeh they are doing a few more nights in there but nothing to do with me as its more of a sixty's night Motown, ska and mod stuff.

Cheers,

Ross

Are you sure you're right about this info.

My copy which I got in person from USA in lot where there wasn't a boot in sight has HITCH 'N' POST

JODAX [bMI]

TIME 2:35

Kinda darkish blue and very sharp writing.

Checking Manship and Popsike the pictures of the originals appear the same as mine.

ROD

https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4704800239

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/rarest-of-the-rare/33

it's a very good look-a-like boot, there's a light blue boot as well.

Im sure anderson would not have sold a boot an as rod's reply indicates there are may be 2 original pressings

there is a small matrix stamp on the original in the run out

It has on mine, bought from a reliable source early 90's. Sure there was a thread on here a while back about this.[/iquote]

I'm with Ted, Rod and Mark W on this one........the copy i have is the same as Rod's and the same as on John Manships site......here's the punch line on all this i bought mine from Dave Thorley when he sold most of his 60's records first time around about 20 years ago i bet for £150.00 if my memory serves me correctly...if it's a boot then i'm a dutchman, i agree with Ted could there not be two authentic presses on this one or has Dave posted the wrong scan??? or got them around the wrong way? as Chalky said there are light blue pressings/boots of this but never is mine,Teds or Rod's a boot sorry not having it...lol

This is as clear as mud....lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

I'm with Ted, Rod and Mark W on this one........the copy i have is the same as Rod's and the same as on John Manships site......here's the punch line on all this i bought mine from Dave Thorley when he sold most of his 60's records first time around about 20 years ago i bet for £150.00 if my memory serves me correctly...if it's a boot then i'm a dutchman, i agree with Ted could there not be two authentic presses on this one or has Dave posted the wrong scan??? or got them around the wrong way? as Chalky said there are light blue pressings/boots of this but never is mine,Teds or Rod's a boot sorry not having it...lol

This is as clear as mud....lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

I've just had a look in John Manship's - Million Dollars Of Rare Soul book, if you have this book check out page 102 top right of the page see example scan as Rod's, Ted's and mine so i would suggest the other scan is the bootleg and not this, we can't all be wrong can we?

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

I'm with Ted, Rod and Mark W on this one........the copy i have is the same as Rod's and the same as on John Manships site......here's the punch line on all this i bought mine from Dave Thorley when he sold most of his 60's records first time around about 20 years ago i bet for £150.00 if my memory serves me correctly...if it's a boot then i'm a dutchman, i agree with Ted could there not be two authentic presses on this one or has Dave posted the wrong scan??? or got them around the wrong way? as Chalky said there are light blue pressings/boots of this but never is mine,Teds or Rod's a boot sorry not having it...lol

This is as clear as mud....lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

very clear Mark

Ted/Mark there is a small indecipherable stamp about an inch in front of S-002B and kinda diagonally opposite there's either a stamp or maybe scratched in something else it's impossible to make out without a microscope.

Compared to the blue boot that's been posted the colour is darker and writing much sharper and defined.

ROD

I've just had a look in John Manship's - Million Dollars Of Rare Soul book, if you have this book check out page 102 top right of the page see example scan as Rod's, Ted's and mine so i would suggest the other scan is the bootleg and not this, we can't all be wrong can we?

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Ok visit www.jimmieraye.com and it looks like Mr Massey, Mr Shard and Mr Bicknell have boots.......lol or is the scan on Jimmie's site a boot???? shall we send him a message and ask him...lol

I'm gonna have a few cold ones as this is enough to drive anyone to drink.....Northern Soul don't you just love it.....lol

Mark Bicknell.

Ted/Mark there is a small indecipherable stamp about an inch in front of S-002B and kinda diagonally opposite there's either a stamp or maybe scratched in something else it's impossible to make out without a microscope.

Compared to the blue boot that's been posted the colour is darker and writing much sharper and defined.

ROD

Same as mine then Rod and i bet the same as Ted's, also in John's new Million Dollar Book, I've sent Jimmie Raye a message to see if he can shed any light on this, if nothing else it will be a blast if he comes on here for a chat...lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Ted/Mark there is a small indecipherable stamp about an inch in front of S-002B and kinda diagonally opposite there's either a stamp or maybe scratched in something else it's impossible to make out without a microscope.

Compared to the blue boot that's been posted the colour is darker and writing much sharper and defined.

ROD

Hi Rod

mine is as you describe and im sure mark has never played a boot in his life

ted

Hi Rod

mine is as you describe and im sure mark has never played a boot in his life

ted

Seems we might have been Ted.....lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Some of the boots - thinking of the paler blue label ones in particular - have a dip in the sound towards the end of the track - dead giveaway

Mike

I'm with Ted, Rod and Mark W on this one........the copy i have is the same as Rod's and the same as on John Manships site......here's the punch line on all this i bought mine from Dave Thorley when he sold most of his 60's records first time around about 20 years ago i bet for £150.00 if my memory serves me correctly...if it's a boot then i'm a dutchman, i agree with Ted could there not be two authentic presses on this one or has Dave posted the wrong scan??? or got them around the wrong way? as Chalky said there are light blue pressings/boots of this but never is mine,Teds or Rod's a boot sorry not having it...lol

This is as clear as mud....lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

So much confusion, The one I sold you came from Tim Ashebend back in the late 70's when he got a few from Jimmy. The one I have now is the first of the two scans and is an original I picked up in the US mid 80's, from a DJ on the east coast. It was clearly used and loved when I got it.

Dave

So much confusion, The one I sold you came from Tim Ashebend back in the late 70's when he got a few from Jimmy. The one I have now is the first of the two scans and is an original I picked up in the US mid 80's, from a DJ on the east coast. It was clearly used and loved when I got it.

Dave

So are we saying that there really are 2 original pressings?

So are we saying that there really are 2 original pressings?

You tell me I lost the plot about midday

You tell me I lost the plot about midday

OK I've read the whole thing through now and have to agree mine is different to Manship and Popsike, but is the same as the one on Jimmie Raye's site, so must be 2 pressings

I got a wiered test LP from italy,with Philly dog,on it...........differant types of music classical,instrumentals,etc;and a J Brown trakc looks well good,and loads of stamps in the run-out,plays cool too anybody else got one,or is it rarer than the 45?,i think its J Raye,but no artists on the label

I got a wiered test LP from italy,with Philly dog,on it...........differant types of music classical,instrumentals,etc;and a J Brown trakc looks well good,and loads of stamps in the run-out,plays cool too anybody else got one,or is it rarer than the 45?,i think its J Raye,but no artists on the label

can you post a soundclip up Ken?

Comparing both, Daves copy has, arranged by under time, the Jimmie Raye is different, the lettering is fuller/rounding to thin.

Petes lettering is more square and clinical - the C in KKC on Daves is thicker and finally the S-002A is straight and equal in size - but Petes has a smaller S and the 002 is slightly above the A. (no dirty jokes plse )

Daves copy looks original to me, but what do I know

Dave and Pete could you look and see if either of your copies have a mini matrix stamp with something that looks like "pes".

Karen

Edited August 11, 200618 yr by sanquine

Ted/Mark there is a small indecipherable stamp about an inch in front of S-002B and kinda diagonally opposite there's either a stamp or maybe scratched in something else it's impossible to make out without a microscope.

Compared to the blue boot that's been posted the colour is darker and writing much sharper and defined.

ROD

Hi guys

Think that clinches it, there are two original presses. Mine also has the same marks in the run out grooves, but is a different label design.. Now which is rarer

The Popsike and J Manships are same then Daves is completely different - so is it poss Popsike n J Manships 1st release then short time after decided/had forgotten to put Arranged by on so came about Dave's copie - Pete's looks like a boot.

Karen

Edited August 11, 200618 yr by sanquine

The Popsike and J Manships are same then Daves is completely different - so is it poss Popsike n J Manships 1st release then short time after decided/had forgotten to put Arranged by on so came about Dave's copie - Pete's looks like a boot.

Karen

Always the voice of reason. Give you a ring soon somethings afoot

Love Dave

can you post a soundclip up Ken?

Would if i knew where it was, i`ll have look later might be about a week,finding it,but will post sample when found start a new thread even.

Hi,

Now I'm confused!!

Having had a quick look, mine is the same as the second scan so I think it's a boot (blast, should have taken the money). Then again I loved the track when I bought it back in the late 80's and still do.

I'll have a good read of this thread again over the weekend and try and get my head around it.

Thanks again folks.

Ross.

Edited August 11, 200618 yr by Ross

OK I've read the whole thing through now and have to agree mine is different to Manship and Popsike, but is the same as the one on Jimmie Raye's site, so must be 2 pressings

Seems there must be Dave....

Probably explains why a few people were duped and bought the boot back then asuming it was real.... as it's a direct copy of the ones like Ted and Mark's albeit a brighter blue label....

The small indefineable matrix mark seems to be the only sure way of telling.... as someone stated earlier looks like "pes" or summat....

I only put up the info that I knew of re the missing and extra bits on the boot.... having only seen/held a couple of real copies, both were like your scan (and as on JR's site)....

Looks like you learn summat everyday ....

p.s. and let's face it.... Ted and Mark would never play a boot .... or is that for another thread ....

Hi,

Now I'm confused!!

Having had a quick look, mine is the same as the second scan so I think it's a boot (blast, should have taken the money). Then again I loved the track when I bought it back in the late 80's and still do.

I'll have a good read of this thread again over the weekend and try and get my head around it.

Thanks again folks.

Ross.

Welcome aboard Ross - once you've ploughed your way through this lot again, fancy doing us a quick intro in the new members' section? Means we have more idea who we're 'talking to' and you get a free.. er.. upgrade to full member status

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showforum=44

FORGRT ABOUT ALL THE MATRIX'S AND OTHER THIS ANDTHAT'S ,THE FIRST DARK BLUE BOOT IS PRETTY CONVINSING BUT THE ONLY CAST IRON WAY OF TELLING IS THE DISTORTION ON THE SOUND FOR A FEW SECONDS TOWARDS THE END OF THE 45 SIMPLE AS THAT...

OK I've read the whole thing through now and have to agree mine is different to Manship and Popsike, but is the same as the one on Jimmie Raye's site, so must be 2 pressings

or different pressing plants

There are two original pressings.

Manship's guide is normally spot on I think. But in this case I'm pretty sure he's wrong.

As Andy Dyson said, the only real way of telling is by listening to them, you can't mistake the sound of a bootleg, especially an 80s boot.

Edited August 11, 200618 yr by James Trouble

There are two original pressings.

Manship's guide is normally spot on I think. But in this case I'm pretty sure he's wrong.

As Andy Dyson said, the only real way of telling is by listening to them, you can't mistake the sound of a bootleg, especially an 80s boot.

noy so simple in the 80s ihad acopy of this which was slightly different to stus copy he bought of pat brady years earlier took somewhere and showed butch both he daid the matrix one was original he thought the other a boot but sound quality was same on both ....i think andy hutchins bought the supposed boot

Just played mine all the way through no change in sound quality wheres Manship when you need him

Just played mine all the way through no change in sound quality wheres Manship when you need him

well I'm fu ckin fuming at the moment..I think