Proper Soulies

[Sharon Cooper]

THATS PILSLEYS BADGE

Once again Spinner, whoever you are, you have shown up to be a little short on constructive comment shall we say? Baz you reading this? what do you reckon??

Edited November 20, 2006 by bridget

[Dendog]

Its obvious that some on here has a gripe about other venues and there polices again. But those same old same old refuses to acknowledge that the particular venues they are taking a jib at are getting the people in that only want to listen to the old club & Northern Soul Classics.

So I personally cant see a problem with a Promoter that wishes to cater for those small minorities. I think it belittles anyone that takes the time out to give remarks to what some one wears carries or dances too. Being a so-called promoter myself wish to thank all the promoters around for giving there time and money, and entertaining there regular visitors I know how hard it is.

dendog

[Guest]

WELL WELL WELL WHO R U

Once again Spinner, whoever you are, you have shown up to be a little short on constructive comment shall we say? Baz you reading this? what do you reckon??

[Mike]

WELL WELL WELL WHO R U

hey mate

dunno or care who the f*** you are

but you're history

go and play games elsewhere

account closed

[Guest Byrney]

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I think in a previous post you mentioned lifeline and the Brit, and said you'd never seen any of these, so I assumed that you were implying that these particular venues don't attract outsiders?

Winnie:-)

Yeah, got that. It's just the smiley after it which implied something - not quite sure what though

[Winnie :-)]

bad example

you're assuming a lot

"I know the argument will come forward"

smacks to me of an arrogant attitude

take it you are aware of all the facts in this matter

"purely because of the person doing the promoting."

again assuming a lot

do you read your own words?

you are telling people what they are going to post and why!

I would say most if not all sides of most matters get discused on here

using words such as agendas and the tired old phase"politics" which is surely just another word for dodgy/illegal going ons is to me a way of knocking this site, discouarging open discussion and to be blunt doing exactly what you claim everyone else is doing

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Mike,

You're entitled to your opinions as am I and I've always put them forward in an honest fashion. Whether you like them, agree or disagree with them is outside sphere of influence, but if its open discussion then both sides should be able to put forward their view.

You've said I'm assuming a lot, but unless I've been reading another forum, the criticism of this particular promoter is or was very regular. I have no allegiance to him by the way, but I do have an interest in balance. That's a personal thing and something I've stuck by all my life and its something that I'm not going to change. I accept I shouldn't have pre-empted posts, but there has still been no answer forthcoming why prominent supporters of that way forward chose not to post in that thread. Perhaps they didn't see it, I don't know, and of course I accept that they don't have to answer anyway, as is their right. I also accept that the involvement of that particular promoter, may not have been the reason they didn't post, as nothing was said, I guessed. Probably shouldn't have done that, but have seen similar threads before go down the same route, and thats the reason I don't accept it was done out of arrogance.

Yes I do read my own words and am aware what I am saying on this occasion as I've already said, I shouldn't have pre-empted the answers.

Finally, I have never ever knocked Soul Source, why would I, I've talked about it and openly supported it, and its moderators to detractors. I would ask why you feel it is ok for you to assume you know what I meant by agendas/politics, as it certainly had nothing to do with dodgy/illegal dealings. I've made it clear on numerous occasions that the politics I'm talking about are to do with bigging up venues, and telling people what to like and wear. I certainly don't claim everyone is discouraging open discussion, I answer individual posts and individual people. I don't say we should like this or we should do that, and invariably always say that it's in my opinion so as to make sure people understand I'm not taking the moral highground on behalf of others, the things I write are only personal to me. My opinions the same as anyone elses are open to question, so how am I discouraging open debate, its not done via PMs, I don't try to whip up support, its done in the open? I'm not claiming you or anyone else is doing this, before thats assumed as well, just making the point, what you see with me is what you get.

At the end of the day Mike, its your site, your rules, and your decisions. I am happy to accept I shouldn't have pre-empted answers, but will not accept accusations of arrogance because I hold a diffenent view, or accusations of slagging down a site I really love, they were uncalled for IMO.

Winnie:-)

Winnie:-)

[Winnie :-)]

Yeah, got that. It's just the smiley after it which implied something - not quite sure what though

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Which smiley did I use?

This one I'm led to believe is being mischevious

This one apparently means, yeah like you really didn't know

Really not sure what you think I was implying, but if you tell me, I'll tell you if I was or not

[Kerry F]

Gillty M'lud

I do have a silly hairstyle

Could be worse Bryney, at least you ain't got hair down to your arse & play 'house'

[Guest Byrney]

Could be worse Bryney, at least you ain't got hair down to your arse & play 'house'

er..... I did have a few years back

[Mike]

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Mike,

You're entitled to your opinions as am I and I've always put them forward in an honest fashion. Whether you like them, agree or disagree with them is outside sphere of influence, but if its open discussion then both sides should be able to put forward their view.

You've said I'm assuming a lot, but unless I've been reading another forum, the criticism of this particular promoter is or was very regular. I have no allegiance to him by the way, but I do have an interest in balance. That's a personal thing and something I've stuck by all my life and its something that I'm not going to change. I accept I shouldn't have pre-empted posts, but there has still been no answer forthcoming why prominent supporters of that way forward chose not to post in that thread. Perhaps they didn't see it, I don't know, and of course I accept that they don't have to answer anyway, as is their right. I also accept that the involvement of that particular promoter, may not have been the reason they didn't post, as nothing was said, I guessed. Probably shouldn't have done that, but have seen similar threads before go down the same route, and thats the reason I don't accept it was done out of arrogance.

Yes I do read my own words and am aware what I am saying on this occasion as I've already said, I shouldn't have pre-empted the answers.

Finally, I have never ever knocked Soul Source, why would I, I've talked about it and openly supported it, and its moderators to detractors. I would ask why you feel it is ok for you to assume you know what I meant by agendas/politics, as it certainly had nothing to do with dodgy/illegal dealings. I've made it clear on numerous occasions that the politics I'm talking about are to do with bigging up venues, and telling people what to like and wear. I certainly don't claim everyone is discouraging open discussion, I answer individual posts and individual people. I don't say we should like this or we should do that, and invariably always say that it's in my opinion so as to make sure people understand I'm not taking the moral highground on behalf of others, the things I write are only personal to me. My opinions the same as anyone elses are open to question, so how am I discouraging open debate, its not done via PMs, I don't try to whip up support, its done in the open? I'm not claiming you or anyone else is doing this, before thats assumed as well, just making the point, what you see with me is what you get.

At the end of the day Mike, its your site, your rules, and your decisions. I am happy to accept I shouldn't have pre-empted answers, but will not accept accusations of arrogance because I hold a diffenent view, or accusations of slagging down a site I really love, they were uncalled for IMO.

Winnie:-)

Winnie:-)

Winnie

felt a need to comment as do feel that you are doing exactly what you are complaing about

"that's for the 'supremists', not the proper soulies."

"pick your free superiority complex up at the door" venues

and could argue that you are indeed doing what you say others are trying to do , create a two tier "them and us" on here

sure the balance of site is important, but the members do actually determine the balance, not one person deeming fit to post every time someones view doesnt match their own on a particular subject

your posts about what and why people are going to post on here, did smack of arrogance to me, its not an accusation or ought, its just how it read to me , same as the agenda thing did read to me as a dig about site

thats how they read to me, felt a need to comment, thats all

mike

post on account closure moved to members feedback

[Guest]

That's me through the door AOK then!

Help me Father Sean .....

As you know dear friend , I have got a good head of hair ( albeit greying now ) , am I better off staying in ?

Malc Burton

Edited November 21, 2006 by Malc Burton

[Maark]

Don't know if it will get a response but occasionally you get flyers advertising a night for 'proper soulies' or 'soulies only' . These seem to revolve around the events where those who consider themselves 'True northern fans' gather.

So can somebody tell me what a Real Soulie' , Proper Soulie or 'for soulies only' is,

I'm intrigued?????? cause I'm begining to think that since 1971 I thought I was a 'proper soulie' but maybe i was wrong

Maybe this flyer for Bournemoth is the way forward!

[Guest Bogue]

Maybe this flyer for Bournemoth is the way forward!

Would have thought that was the way to do it ! Everyone welcome, trying to encompass all styles, alienating no one & get's over the point about drinks on the dance floor without getting anyones back up.

Fail to see what's so funny ?

[Lindsay]

Would have thought that was the way to do it ! Everyone welcome, trying to encompass all styles, alienating no one & get's over the point about drinks on the dance floor without getting anyones back up.

Fail to see what's so funny ?

Emmm I can't see whats so funny either...but each to their own I guess

The flyer says what the event is all about...basicly just a nice local friendly do...all welcome ...no music policy and no attitudes...whats so wrong with that?

[Pete Eccles]

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Couldn't agree more, but if you don't want to feud, why say, soulies (I hate that word) it's the recognised description, most of us aren't worried about it, what would you use it its place? Then you say, as if its a solution, if oldies fan broaden their minds....... Well I know how that reads to me. You don't get hordes of oldies fans coming onto SS and saying this is all we should listen to, they actually do go out, listen to soul music and enjoy it. They don't spend all day defining what's right and wrong regarding playlists, that's for the 'supremists', not the proper soulies.

Heres the thing, on a personal level, I like hearing new stuff, I like modern rooms, I like oldies. What I don't like is being led because someone thinks they know better than me. Let these people DJ, let them play their tunes, and then the audience will decide whether they've liked it or not. If they haven't they haven't. Its not because they want to hold the scene back, it's not because they're ill informed, its not because they don't visit upfront venues often enough, its because it hasn't floated their boat. Now that may disappoint the DJ playing them, but he/she should have the good grace to realise, that his/her taste is NO better or NO worse than anyone elses. That brings me back to your statement, "we all love soul music", so lets try to drop the leaders and followers doctrine.

Winnie:-)

Couldnt have put it better winnie!!!

i like all genres of soul and dont really care what anyone else thinks i should like,

Not to long ago i was 'preached' to at length about people being ignorant and refusing to move on from the 'same old same old' only to interrupted by the lady needing to run to the dancefloor to dance to the timeless classic 'the love i lost',

On her return i asked does that not fall into the category of 'same old same old'?

Reply :- but thats a good un!!!!!!!

The moral - being a door to door salesman of your 'tastes' wont have people with different tastes rushing to the doctor to have their 'inferior' tastes surgically removed!!

we are all soulies or whatever term we see fit to use, if we attend a venue twice a year and never buy a record or if we have a collection to die for and attend twice a week it doesnt matter! if somebody that doesnt know the difference between the tops and the temps wishes to tell all they are a soulie (or again whatever term we see fit to use) who cares? i don't!

Pete

[Sean Hampsey]

Help me Father Sean .....

As you know dear friend , I have got a good head of hair ( albeit greying now ) , am I better off staying in ?

Malc Burton

Bless you my son.

Yes, you have the hair, but there's far more Silver threads amongst the Gold these days.

Stay home and listen to Wogan.

Much more dignified for a man of your years.

Sean

[Maark]

Would have thought that was the way to do it ! Everyone welcome, trying to encompass all styles, alienating no one & get's over the point about drinks on the dance floor without getting anyones back up.

Fail to see what's so funny ?

Blimey! I obviously have a sense of humour because I LAUGHED OUT LOUD at the "flat on the back" line, esp as that's always my fear. I obviously don't take my self as serious as others then. The flyer is great and shows originality and wit.

I deeply and humbly apologise for not making that abundantly clear in my post and my choice of smiley, was obviously, with hindsight, totally over the top. F*ck me!

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

you could always be like me, don't give a F**K. I just attend and get on with and speak to whoever speaks to me and i dance to whatever records i like and listen to the music.

If there are people commenting on me i don't care cause they are all immature in there own way.

As for music policy i only hope that it is just Northern soul be it oldies, or modern type Northern or R & B Northern etc played. i wouldn't attend a night that said 60's and 70's soul night with Northen and Motown when i know i might get a song like O'Jays - Love Train on or love songs etc because yes i like it i just don't want to hear it out. I am here to attend a straight forward Northern soul night

[Guest Simon]

Emmm I can't see whats so funny either...but each to their own I guess

The flyer says what the event is all about...basicly just a nice local friendly do...all welcome ...no music policy and no attitudes...whats so wrong with that?

The flyer's spot on imo & gets across the message perfectly, states the no drinking on the floor bit well without coming across all authoritarian.

It will be a pleasure to spin some tunes at the April do!

Simon

[Supercorsa]

Thank you Winnie

Martin, PTP, Alan H, Andy Faulkner and myself tried very hard to play stuff and introduce tunes that would interest and delight....some fresh, some familiar and some just far fetched....but we tried.

As for the door policy, I was the Head Door Whore and would try and make sure that no 'booted suited office bods' who were only interested in a late drink got in....

a subtle 'It's members only, people'

or 'do you dig that crazy Northern beat' normally sorted that problem out..

BUT,

any nervous first-timer types who thought they'd turned up at the wrong place (small smelly basement with a slopping dancefloor in a pub SARF of the river) always got a warm welcome.

New faces, old, new, young etc etc were enthusiastically relieved of their £3, pushed down the stairs through the badly swinging doors and actively encouraged to become part of the TOS family regardless of their dress code or newspaper reading habits - I embraced them all personally - but hey, that was just a perk of the job

....All was perfect apart from the party of German tourists that got in one night and kept asking for Abba...

LOL, Jo

I can vouch for that, because that were her exact words to me!

[Guest ShaneH]

The flyer's spot on imo & gets across the message perfectly, states the no drinking on the floor bit well without coming across all authoritarian.

It will be a pleasure to spin some tunes at the April do!

Simon

i agree that it is a good flyer for 'proper soulies' as to speak.

however, i wouldn't expect to attract any new blood with a flyer like that. for starters students aren't attracted to venues that show pictures of middle aged blokes in a position that is more akin to a porn film. they will also be deterred by the reference to 'serious dancers'. they just want to have fun and the word serious couldnt be more off-putting.

sorry.....i think its an awful concept for a flyer but there are more serious things happening in the world

Shane

[Maark]

i agree that it is a good flyer for 'proper soulies' as to speak.

however, i wouldn't expect to attract any new blood with a flyer like that. for starters students aren't attracted to venues that show pictures of middle aged blokes in a position that is more akin to a porn film. they will also be deterred by the reference to 'serious dancers'. they just want to have fun and the word serious couldnt be more off-putting.

sorry.....i think its an awful concept for a flyer but there are more serious things happening in the world

Shane

I read the flyer as "all welcome, but please respect those that are here to dance and for safety purposes don't take your drinks on the dance floor" in a "not taking ourselves too seriously" kind of way. The reason I posted this flyer was because it seemed like a good answer to the comment about flyers in the opening post. Personally, I think it's a good flyer, but then I've only got a degree in Graphic design.

[Guest Bogue]

Blimey! I obviously have a sense of humour because I LAUGHED OUT LOUD at the "flat on the back" line, esp as that's always my fear. I obviously don't take my self as serious as others then. The flyer is great and shows originality and wit.

I deeply and humbly apologise for not making that abundantly clear in my post and my choice of smiley, was obviously, with hindsight, totally over the top. F*ck me!

Sincere appologies for that then Maark. Another reminder of how the written word can sometimes be taken two ways i suppose.

From the context of the thread as a whole, the comment that was above your reply (ie the comment you originally replied to) & the fact that the designer of the poster has tended to come in for some stick on here at times, I deduced that you were laughing 'at' the poster rather than 'with it'.

Again, sincere appologies

Shane,i'm sure your view on the said poster would have nothing whatsoever to do with who designed it too, would it

[Winnie :-)]

i agree that it is a good flyer for 'proper soulies' as to speak.

however, i wouldn't expect to attract any new blood with a flyer like that. for starters students aren't attracted to venues that show pictures of middle aged blokes in a position that is more akin to a porn film. they will also be deterred by the reference to 'serious dancers'. they just want to have fun and the word serious couldnt be more off-putting.

sorry.....i think its an awful concept for a flyer but there are more serious things happening in the world

Shane

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So what should go onto a flyer to attract new blood Shane?

[pikeys dog]

Pole Dancers, Cheap alcopops and all the Sherbet you can consume?

[Winnie :-)]

Pole Dancers, Cheap alcopops and all the Sherbet you can consume?

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Yep that might work, and maybe a free snow patrol single

[Guest Simon]

From the context of the thread as a whole, the comment that was above your reply (ie the comment you originally replied to) & the fact that the designer of the poster has tended to come in for some stick on here at times, I deduced that you were laughing 'at' the poster rather than 'with it'.

Again, sincere appologies

Shane,i'm sure your view on the said poster would have nothing whatsoever to do with who designed it too, would it

I must have missed this, what stick has the designer come in for?

Simon

[Guest Simon]

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Yep that might work, and maybe a free snow patrol single

How about a years free membership to be Kev Roberts' friend on Myspace?

Simon

[Maark]

Sincere appologies for that then Maark. Another reminder of how the written word can sometimes be taken two ways i suppose.

From the context of the thread as a whole, the comment that was above your reply (ie the comment you originally replied to) & the fact that the designer of the poster has tended to come in for some stick on here at times, I deduced that you were laughing 'at' the poster rather than 'with it'.

Again, sincere appologies

Shane,i'm sure your view on the said poster would have nothing whatsoever to do with who designed it too, would it

Thanks Bogue. Blame the Smilies! Bl**dy things can sometimes but a slant on a post that one perhaps didn't intend. Great avavtar btw.

Edited November 22, 2006 by Maark

[Guest Bogue]

Thanks Bogue. Blame the Smilies! Bl**dy things can sometimes but a slant on a post that one perhaps didn't intend. Great avavtar btw.

No probs Maark, sorry again.

It's getting on everyone else's nerves, trouble is i can't seem to be able to load any other gif files in the avatar section so it's got to stay for a while.

I reckon Mike has put a block on cause he likes it so much

[Sean Hampsey]

Great avavtar btw.

Not as good as yours Maark... but whatever turns ya'

[Guest Bogue]

Not as good as yours Maark... but whatever turns ya'

Yeh, shame about the newspaper though

Yours is a strange one Sean, never expected Sam Dees to look like that, i always thought he was a bloke

Edited November 22, 2006 by Bogue

[Lindsay]

I'm sorry if I took it the wrong way aswell...was very late.

There really isnt any policy for this event except for everyone there to have a good time.

As for being a 'proper soulie' think I'm out on me a*rse on that one, can't get out to events every weekend, due to work/family/money commitments...don't give a monkeys whether anyone else likes the same music as I do...but generally like a little of everything....but at my age preference for beat ballads and two steppers prevail Don't have any set clothing pattern, wear what I feel like on the night...not bothered what anyone else is wearing either...each to their own. My whole attitude is one of 'Live and let Live' lets just get on with the reason we're all here, enjoying the music

[Maark]

I'm sorry if I took it the wrong way aswell...was very late.

There really isnt any policy for this event except for everyone there to have a good time.

As for being a 'proper soulie' think I'm out on me a*rse on that one, can't get out to events every weekend, due to work/family/money commitments...don't give a monkeys whether anyone else likes the same music as I do...but generally like a little of everything....but at my age preference for beat ballads and two steppers prevail Don't have any set clothing pattern, wear what I feel like on the night...not bothered what anyone else is wearing either...each to their own. My whole attitude is one of 'Live and let Live' lets just get on with the reason we're all here, enjoying the music

Thanks Lindsay and I know it's not for me to say but I think your comments bring the end to this thread quite nicely.

[Ezzie Brown]

Don't let anyone in unless they're wearing a Black Glove, sporting a well placed Beer Towel (hanging from the waistband of Baggy Trousers) and carrying a Fully Badged Up 'Allnighter Bag'.

That's how you can tell who the proper Soulies are.

Sean

whos the lady on the record cover? thats seems more interesting 2 me!!!

[Guest vinylvixen]

I can vouch for that, because that were her exact words to me!

LOL - I was always a firm but fair Door Whore and your presence was always welcome Quality not quantity.... Jo

[Sean Hampsey]

Sean

whos the lady on the record cover? thats seems more interesting 2 me!!!

For Bogue & Ezzie... and others who have been curious enough to ask, the Avatar is the Picture Cover to a Portuguese 45 of Sam Dees Chess recording "Love Starvation / Maryanna".

Apart from being a great record and a real nice Sam Dees rarity... it also has a picture of the beautiful young Maryanna in White Fishnets, so, you could say that, in one foul swoop, I have my two great loves all wrapped up in one Avatar!

Sean

[Reg]

Oh my Gawd! Just read this thread.... and people wonder why numbers are down on the soul scene. Twaddle like this just puts people off - "proper" soulies or not

[Guest ShaneH]

Oh my Gawd! Just read this thread.... and people wonder why numbers are down on the soul scene. Twaddle like this just puts people off - "proper" soulies or not

tell us why reg my friend

Shane

[Reg]

tell us why reg my friend

Shane

Well it puts me off, it's just a night out after all. Does my head in to be honest, I just want to go out, see friends, have a bit of a shuffle and go home. Who gives a rats ass about what somebody puts on their flyer or what gets played. Just go somewhere else !

[Sharon Cooper]

Well it puts me off, it's just a night out after all. Does my head in to be honest, I just want to go out, see friends, have a bit of a shuffle and go home. Who gives a rats ass about what somebody puts on their flyer or what gets played. Just go somewhere else !

There speaks the voice of the innocent!

[Guest kev such]

Well done winnie, i agree with ya mate.

There is a certain amount of elitism on the scene, but then there always has been, from dj's covering labels up and the so on.

Not bothered ref being called a soulie or whatever.

The best things i like about the scene was that it didnt matter what you wore, how you looked or danced we all just wanted to hear bloody good tunes.

Which brings me onto the music policy, why is there the need for certain elements to "educate" the punters because the dj apparently knows better, rubbish. The same old same old has stood the test of time. theres over 40.000 tracks that we know of available, so i think we got more than enough to go around.If people like modern, crossover, etc... to many to mention, then thats fine you can enjoy whatever style you want, but dont slag the people off who like other styles. if a dj puts tracks on that dont get people dancing(which is what the scene IS about) then YES they should have the temerity to turn em off and play some SAME OLD SAME OLD dancers.

Kev but then again what do i know, im stuck in the past, but without the flowing hair.

[Dendog]

Well done winnie, i agree with ya mate.

There is a certain amount of elitism on the scene, but then there always has been, from dj's covering labels up and the so on.

Not bothered ref being called a soulie or whatever.

The best things i like about the scene was that it didnt matter what you wore, how you looked or danced we all just wanted to hear bloody good tunes.

Which brings me onto the music policy, why is there the need for certain elements to "educate" the punters because the dj apparently knows better, rubbish. The same old same old has stood the test of time. theres over 40.000 tracks that we know of available, so i think we got more than enough to go around.If people like modern, crossover, etc... to many to mention, then thats fine you can enjoy whatever style you want, but dont slag the people off who like other styles. if a dj puts tracks on that dont get people dancing(which is what the scene IS about) then YES they should have the temerity to turn em off and play some SAME OLD SAME OLD dancers.

Kev but then again what do i know, im stuck in the past, but without the flowing hair.

Kev

Well said totally with policies dress code and dance routine's

The policy at The Fez, Forest Town ½ Dayer, & East Kirkby Welfare is not to dictate or teach you new tunes but for you to enjoy the sounds from early soul club's days & Northern Soul Classics, our visitors new & old return month after month & know what to expect. Our flyers say it all Northern Soul Oldies Only

But do we knock other venues about there polices or dress code answer to that is NO

The nearest new venue I have attended on there flyer says a Soul club for Soulies but don't imply 'proper soulies' or 'soulies only' so I don't know were Bridget is coming or going with those remarks. The Coops do a good job at the venue they run so why not keep doing that, and remember what Bam by's Dad said if you cant say something nice don't say owt

Dendog

[Guest kev such]

EXCELLENT. i set the Cream Cracker soul club up in Rothwell for us to play the good old stuff, and for people to go home Cream Crackered, However saying that we do endeavour to play what the dancers ask us for, the majority of the evenings are mainly request nights. We put a pad on the stage and peeps can come up and write down what they want to dance to, if we got it in the box we play it. And surprisingly the night is mostly filled with SAME OLD SAME OLD, and the peeps keep coming back, However we do throw a few not heard for a while tracks, but not the whole night of it, however if thats what peeps want then there are clubs that cater for it.

As i read on one of the threads that when a track comes on that you like and want to dance to you just leave the person you were talking to standing and dance. then come back to finish your conversation covered in sweat, what other music can make you do that, well none for me anyway. So lets stop the bitching and just get on and enjoy it, im gonna for a bloody long time yet even if im on me own.well until me hips pack up.

kev.(screaming lord)such.

[Sharon Cooper]

Kev

Well said totally with policies dress code and dance routine's

The policy at The Fez, Forest Town ½ Dayer, & East Kirkby Welfare is not to dictate or teach you new tunes but for you to enjoy the sounds from early soul club's days & Northern Soul Classics, our visitors new & old return month after month & know what to expect. Our flyers say it all Northern Soul Oldies Only

But do we knock other venues about there polices or dress code answer to that is NO

The nearest new venue I have attended on there flyer says a Soul club for Soulies but don't imply 'proper soulies' or 'soulies only' so I don't know were Bridget is coming or going with those remarks. The Coops do a good job at the venue they run so why not keep doing that, and remember what Bam by's Dad said if you cant say something nice don't say owt

Dendog

Why oh why has this turned into a 'them and us' debate Dennis. You have singled yourself out and have pointed the finger at us for no reason as the original post was a general comment to get a debate going which it certainly has without any personalising intended. You and Spinner (who we now know as he has sent us an e mail telling us he will return onto this site in another guise) have sought to bring the topic down to personalities which was not the intention.

If we lived in a world where only 'nice things were said' then what a sorry place it would be. You see in the real world some say nice things to peoples faces whilst slagging them off behind their backs very often. At least this can be a forum where we can voice our opinion despite it being an alternative opinion to others.

The word 'debate' is about airing varying viewpoints because then the scene (and the world) can be a more coulourful place if we aren't all just 'yes' men to each others faces.

We are all different and have different points of view.. Thank God for that!!

Edited November 25, 2006 by bridget

[Dendog]

Don't know if it will get a response but occasionally you get flyers advertising a night for 'proper soulies' or 'soulies only' . These seem to revolve around the events where those who consider themselves 'True northern fans' gather.

So can somebody tell me what a Real Soulie' , Proper Soulie or 'for soulies only' is,

I'm intrigued?????? cause I'm begining to think that since 1971 I thought I was a 'proper soulie' but maybe i was wrong

REMEMBER THIS STATMENT YOU MADE IT 1 ON 1 FROM THE START NOT ME AND WHO IS SPINNER??????

OVER AND OUT

DENDOG

Edited November 25, 2006 by Dendog

[Sharon Cooper]

REMEMBER THIS STATMENT YOU MADE IT 1 ON 1 FROM THE START NOT ME AND WHO IS SPINNER??????

OVER AND OUT

DENDOG

Point out Dennis with all respect where it became one on one. I thought you may have known who Spinner is because you have taken an interest in wanting to know why his account was closed. There are some who are gullible and some who are not. I don't think the tone of the last post was 'nice'.

Just trying to provoke comment. Lets not take things so personally a? Its not life and death this its just a night out!!

[Guest Baz]

Well done winnie, i agree with ya mate.

There is a certain amount of elitism on the scene, but then there always has been, from dj's covering labels up and the so on.

Not bothered ref being called a soulie or whatever.

The best things i like about the scene was that it didnt matter what you wore, how you looked or danced we all just wanted to hear bloody good tunes.

Which brings me onto the music policy, why is there the need for certain elements to "educate" the punters because the dj apparently knows better, rubbish. The same old same old has stood the test of time. theres over 40.000 tracks that we know of available, so i think we got more than enough to go around.If people like modern, crossover, etc... to many to mention, then thats fine you can enjoy whatever style you want, but dont slag the people off who like other styles. if a dj puts tracks on that dont get people dancing(which is what the scene IS about) then YES they should have the temerity to turn em off and play some SAME OLD SAME OLD dancers.

Kev but then again what do i know, im stuck in the past, but without the flowing hair.

What is it with people who have problems with cover ups because they feel like they are left out or cant find any them selfs. not a dig at you Kev but it gets bought up quite a bit, cover ups are part of the scene they always have been and they always will be, you go on about tried and tested, but most of them tried and tested tunes started off as cover ups

Whats wrong with a DJ educating the crowd, some of the best northern soul DJ's in the world are edjucators, you say dont knock people for liking other styles but knock people and DJ's who want to be edjucated, let me guess you've danced to a few tunes in your time? how do you think they become tried and tested in the first place? go on then i'll answer it because some one had the bolox to be an educator and break that record even the tried and tested (in other words over played by un-imagenative Djs) tunes didn't pack the floor on first outings, so dont knock the people who one day will be un-earthing tunes that you'll proberly be looking for in two years time.

I say thank god for DJ's who think they know better and are educators, it keeps the scene going and on its toes other wise it would be a very stale and broing place

[Sharon Cooper]

REMEMBER THIS STATMENT YOU MADE IT 1 ON 1 FROM THE START NOT ME AND WHO IS SPINNER??????

OVER AND OUT

DENDOG

Just as a matter of interest it was I (mr Bridget) who posted this thread, my intention was to provoke thought on 'Proper Soulies' as can be seen from my post. I have neither pointed the finger at music policies, clothes that people wear, or inffered any other thing with regard to promoters or which club does what or for what reason, I simply asked the question. It isn't a statement nor is it a question on the 1-1 basis. It is a question up for discussion hence the term question. if others derive different things or add different things to the debate that follows that is up to them, that is what debate is all about and debate stems from questions asked. it seems that a lot of people have something to say on the matter, therefore my question was valid. I would appreciate it if personal details, (names etc) were not included in the debate because it only serves to personalise it, which was not the intention unless of course it is on a freindly basis.

Edited November 25, 2006 by bridget

[Winnie :-)]

What is it with people who have problems with cover ups because they feel like they are left out or cant find any them selfs. not a dig at you Kev but it gets bought up quite a bit, cover ups are part of the scene they always have been and they always will be, you go on about tried and tested, but most of them tried and tested tunes started off as cover ups

Whats wrong with a DJ educating the crowd, some of the best northern soul DJ's in the world are edjucators, you say dont knock people for liking other styles but knock people and DJ's who want to be edjucated, let me guess you've danced to a few tunes in your time? how do you think they become tried and tested in the first place? go on then i'll answer it because some one had the bolox to be an educator and break that record even the tried and tested (in other words over played by un-imagenative Djs) tunes didn't pack the floor on first outings, so dont knock the people who one day will be un-earthing tunes that you'll proberly be looking for in two years time.

I say thank god for DJ's who think they know better and are educators, it keeps the scene going and on its toes other wise it would be a very stale and broing place

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Nothing wrong with educating a crowd, as long as the record they're pushing works on the dancefloor. Chalky pushes lots of underplayed stuff, but in general when I listen to one of his sets I'm never off the floor. He understands what a dancefloor wants, unfortunately can't say that for all would be educators, some seem to want to put thier personal choice before what the punters want. Not a dig at anyone in particular, but I do think there are too many wannabe DJs, yeah keep the scene fresh and interesting, but not at the expense of the musical ethic.

Winnie;-)