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Rufus Lumley 'Stronger Than Me'..

Obviously, this was an LP only track - other than a monarch test pressing Mr Manship posted on You Tube in 2012

Now then.. does anyone have any info concerning a potential UK release around 1976/77 !?!

On information gleened thus far it points to at least a two-sided uk music publishers acetatate being produced, possibly something to do with Magnet Records? but doesn't look it got past the acetate stage..

Anyone ???? 'Cos I'm really intrigued as to the why's and wherefore's, and to whether the acetate is actually real (the labels and smell certainly are)..

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I recall seeing a 7" RCA studio labelled acetate that Jonathon Woodliffe had in 1977/78 , not 100% sure it was genuine. it looked the real deal but It was along time ago. Wonder where that ended up..?? Anyone.?

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Thanks for your post @Davlee

That is very interesting 'cos both sides of the acetate I mention are RCA recordings - the fip to 'Stronger Than Me' actually seeing a 7" release in both Italy and Germany in the mid 70's - but it is a different artist altogether

There's a story here somewhere.. just got to first get all the pieces of the puzzle, then try to put them together and hopefully see a definitive answer

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3 hours ago, Davlee said:

I recall seeing a 7" RCA studio labelled acetate that Jonathon Woodliffe had in 1977/78 , not 100% sure it was genuine. it looked the real deal but It was along time ago. Wonder where that ended up..?? Anyone.?

I believe it was a slightly different version as well ... certainly sounded different at the Palais

Can somebody ask him ?

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Would RCA use Monarch?  After all they were one of the biggest mastering and manufacturing companies around.

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The acetate on John M's youtube channel plays much faster than the LP. It may just be pitched up on that deck or the disc. It's the same recording, just being played faster. At least it sounds like that to me. Oddly, the sound is cut at about 2 mins. 

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The one on John Ms tube is not the one i recall. This one was a Printed RCA label and studio information was typed in.

 

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On 10/09/2019 at 13:14, Ficklefingers said:

Rufus Lumley 'Stronger Than Me'..

Obviously, this was an LP only track - other than a monarch test pressing Mr Manship posted on You Tube in 2012

Now then.. does anyone have any info concerning a potential UK release around 1976/77 !?!

On information gleened thus far it points to at least a two-sided uk music publishers acetatate being produced, possibly something to do with Magnet Records? but doesn't look it got past the acetate stage..

Anyone ???? 'Cos I'm really intrigued as to the why's and wherefore's, and to whether the acetate is actually real (the labels and smell certainly are)..

Fingers

Hope I understand you right, you've got a UK music publishers acetate from the mid/late 70s. One side is Rufus Lumley stronger than me, flipside is a different artist. Any chance the acetate had blank flip originally and someone used it to cut Stronger than me on it?

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On 10/09/2019 at 21:00, Chalky said:

Would RCA use Monarch?  After all they were one of the biggest mastering and manufacturing companies around.

From what I remember RCA acetates all had RCA Reference Recording label on them, i.e. cut in-house and not at the pressing plant.

Or is the one pictured in the Manship vid a test press and not an acetate?

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On 10/09/2019 at 13:14, Ficklefingers said:

I'm really intrigued as to the why's and wherefore's, and to whether the acetate is actually real (the labels and smell certainly are)..

A scan would be helpful.

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14 hours ago, Benji said:

From what I remember RCA acetates all had RCA Reference Recording label on them, i.e. cut in-house and not at the pressing plant.

Or is the one pictured in the Manship vid a test press and not an acetate?

If it was a test press that would indicate a monarch west coast press which is a puzzle when RCA had a massive plant in Hollywood.  As you also suggest the lack of any RCA details on the label is also unusual. 

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On 10/09/2019 at 16:15, Davlee said:

I recall seeing a 7" RCA studio labelled acetate that Jonathon Woodliffe had in 1977/78 , not 100% sure it was genuine. it looked the real deal but It was along time ago. Wonder where that ended up..?? Anyone.?

Could this be it? 

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Very Possible ..memory is not what it was...& there could have been several

Where is it now...???

Is it single or 2 sided...?

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The one Manship had is a Monarch test press cut on behalf of RCA. Video here...

 

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56 minutes ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

The one Manship had is a Monarch test press cut on behalf of RCA. Video here...

 

That writing looks VERY familiar...

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3 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

The one Manship had is a Monarch test press cut on behalf of RCA. Video here...

 

My question still remains though, would RCA have used Monarch considering their mastering and production facilities?  

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3 hours ago, Bazm said:

That writing looks VERY familiar...

That's because it belongs to Ian Clark ... one could therefore assume this 'acetate' originated from somewhere in the Guildford area .. as opposed to L.A.

Andy

 

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25 minutes ago, Andy Rix said:

That's because it belongs to Ian Clark ... one could therefore assume this 'acetate' originated from somewhere in the Guildford area .. as opposed to L.A.

Andy

 

I did think its origins lay nearer to home.  

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50 minutes ago, Andy Rix said:

That's because it belongs to Ian Clark ... one could therefore assume this 'acetate' originated from somewhere in the Guildford area .. as opposed to L.A.

Hahaha - now that you say that, in looking at the bit of writing on the left of the label, it does in fact appear to say Ian Clark! 

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20 hours ago, Benji said:

Hope I understand you right, you've got a UK music publishers acetate from the mid/late 70s. One side is Rufus Lumley stronger than me, flipside is a different artist. Any chance the acetate had blank flip originally and someone used it to cut Stronger than me on it?

You do understand Benji.. but it's POTENTIALLY a music publishers acetate. The labels are certainly real, as is that 'smell' you notice with 'aged' acetates..

But there are a few questions that need to be uncovered before determining it to be the 'real deal' - e.g. the flip to Stronger Than Me is not only a completely different artist (although the track title is typed on the label there are no artist identifiers), its a mid 70's recording, which did see release in both Germany & Italy and features a flip by the same artist.. Hope all that makes sense

I'm currently awaiting feedback from a couple of people that (hopefully) can throw a bit more light on things, or information that would at least negate some of the possible scenareos surrounding this particular acetate - which initself would help in determining the facts behind it

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