I never noticed when the question was originally posed but today's Daily Mail has an answer to the question "What is believed to be the most valuable 45rpm record?"

The reply comes from the editor of Record Collector Rare Record Price Guide and reads as follows:

AS 2007 sees the 30th anniversary of the Sex Pistols' most controver­sial year, it is apt that they also hold the distinction of recording the rarest 45rpm single.

After being dumped by the EMI label dueto their appearance on the Today programme on December 1, 1976, where they swore at TV presenter Bill Grundy, the band signed-to A&M. This label intended to release their second single God Save The Queen/ No Feelings (AMS 7284) in March 1977.

Due to the band's uncouth behaviour at the record company's offices and an apparent assault of DJ Bob Harris at a West End bar by Sid Vicious, they were dropped by A&M ten days after-iIikihg the deal outside Buckingham Palace.

The A&M record of God Save The Queen was withdrawn from release. Most copies were destroy­ed, but a small number survived and have since fetched high prices.

Although a mint copy (condition should be brand-new with no surface marks) is valued by the Record Collector Rare Record Price Guide 2008 at more than £7,500, earlier this year one sold on eBay for £12,675.

God Save The Queen/Did You No. Wrong-was finally released by Virgin Records in June 1977. It was kept from the No One..spot by Rod Stewart's I Don't Want To Talk About.

No mention of the iconic £15000 paid for "Do I Love You"!!

Just wondered if one of you knowledgeable guys fancy writing in and redressing the balance. They are pretty good at printing follow-up letters. Any dealer - you might get your business mentioned - that's got to be worth a few minutes to cobble together an email.

Alternatively EVERYONE could email - the sub-editor would wonder what hit him.

Anyway for anyone who "IS BOVERED" - the address is charles.legge@dailymail.co.uk

MB

Edited April 5, 200718 yr by MBarrett

Shit I had that John's Children and I bottled out on an A&M for £140!

Is it expensive because "Marc Bolan" done the vocal on it ? I have never heard that record. Whats it all about............is it good?

About as much as an "anti-establishment, anarchist band" (their -or more likely Malcolm McClarens - words, not mine ) would to the same readership?

There's a certain irony in the thought of a Pistols record reaching daft money anyway, isn't there?

i do believe that was the idea behind it being withdrawn! it certainly caused a big rumpus at the time...

https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildatar.php...nr=300060897304

velvets made only (only!) 25,200 dollars which about £13k at the moment, not £80k?

Funnily enough the record that made 170,000, I actually read about in Record Collector - it was an auction, not ebay btw. Steve

https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildatar.php...nr=300060897304

velvets made only (only!) 25,200 dollars which about £13k at the moment, not £80k?

it did make that originally, but then was re-listed pretty much straight away due to bogus bidders upping the price (new bidders having to register therir interest and prove identity etc before bidding) and was then sold at the much lower value.

i think the most expensive record ever is not a rare record at all - just the circumstances surrounding it. Its John Lennons Double Fantasy LP, signed for Mark Chapman a few hours before Chapman killed him. Depending on where you read it it was sold for $464,000 to $525,000

of course that,s an lp and not 45, but still quite playable at 45 rpm...

Edited April 6, 200718 yr by Dave Abbott

Yep - that's mine gone.

This will teach him - writing for a fascist rag!

:angry:

My e-mail to the chap has gone too ;

Moral of this tale : do your research before you submit your work ......

Malc Burton

Edited April 6, 200718 yr by Malc Burton

Is it expensive because "Marc Bolan" done the vocal on it ? I have never heard that record. Whats it all about............is it good?

Can't remember, shit-rare psych I think is why it fetches the dosh, but it might have been a Bolan nutter, an ex of mine used to nick twigs from his garden! You couldn't have covered it up.

On Frank Wilson , if another genuine original copy of that record was made available for sale right now to the general public, I have absolutely no doubt that it would fetch (justified or not) WELL in excess of 15,000 pounds.

Anyone here think otherwise ?

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were more than a few soul collectors in the world at the present time who would readily pay well over 20,000.00 - 25,000.00 pounds for a Frank Wilson if one were offered for sale.

Edited April 6, 200718 yr by sunnysoul

On Frank Wilson , if another genuine original copy of that record was made available for sale right now to the general public, I have absolutely no doubt that it would fetch (justified or not) WELL in excess of 15,000 pounds.

Anyone here think otherwise ?

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were more than a few soul collectors in the world at the present time who would readily pay well over 20,000.00 - 25,000.00 pounds for a Frank Wilson if one were offered for sale.

I agree someone out there might stump up for it.

Although even if i won £20 million on the Euro lottery tomorrow i still wouldn't pay that for it, or any rare record come to think of it. Hundreds more i could spend that sort of money on. There are limits of what's reasonable even for collectors i reckon.

Can't remember, shit-rare psych I think is why it fetches the dosh, but it might have been a Bolan nutter, an ex of mine used to nick twigs from his garden! You couldn't have covered it up.

"Midsummer night's scene" you can get on a John's Children compliation that came out in 2002. It's not much good, and isn't even the best of the John's Children tracks ("Jagged Time Lapse" is better, even if still not brilliant). In any event, it could always be had on the album, which isn't outstandingly rare. Just think of Pink Floyd's "See Emily Play", but about 25 per cent of the quality.

It was supposedly a cancelled release, with only 25 pressed, that's become interesting because of the Marc Bolan connection.

UK wise, I'd rather have a copy of Jimmy Robins on President or even another copy of Paradox in better nick.

If you look at most of the high priced records in the record collectors guides, they tend to be acetates or specially made handful by some of the mega groups, so it's really hard to define their rarity and value. If it's down to an official shop release then northern soul records will generally out price most items. Record collector tends to ignore northern records because it doesn't fit in what the general public know, they can understand a rarity by the Beatles or Stones but not Johnnie Mae Matthews etc, who they have never heard of.

While Frank wilson is most collectable, sex pistols does hold the record for 2nd i would say as the nearest to Beatles collectable is the Quarry Men - That'll Be The Day. it's worth 10,000

Ah yes, but is £15,000 the correct value for Frank Wilson ? I was always under the impression (gained from Ken Burrell) that there was more than one record involved in the £15,000 deal.

I'm with you on this Dave - I thought it was 15K for a collection of sorts that included FW

Mike Bolderson

On Frank Wilson , if another genuine original copy of that record was made available for sale right now to the general public, I have absolutely no doubt that it would fetch (justified or not) WELL in excess of 15,000 pounds.

Anyone here think otherwise ?

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were more than a few soul collectors in the world at the present time who would readily pay well over 20,000.00 - 25,000.00 pounds for a Frank Wilson if one were offered for sale.

Got to be honest I'm not convinced about that - most of the big spenders on the scene are known ( particularly in the UK ) and I would be very surprised if any one of them was a big enough spender to pay 20 - 25K for a rare but overhyped 45 - I'll stick with my UK copy that I bought off Pete Smith for a tenner

Do I love you indeed I do

Mike

Did anybody who e-mailed the editer of i think i was the mail get a reply when frank wilson was over looked as highest price record ever

Is this a quiz?

Jamie

Did anybody who e-mailed the editer of i think i was the mail get a reply when frank wilson was over looked as highest price record ever

Ashley,

I've merged your question into the original thread, becomes clearer then.

Best

Nick

thats fine by me thanks

As well as Elvis & Beatles ultra rarities I'm sure there are 45's sought after by the U.S. "Doo Wop" collecting fraternity that must have eclipsed the £15,000 mark. Having said that, the "Frank Wilson" transaction must be the highest anybody's paid for a record to D.J. with!!

DES PARKER

Hi Des that was the perception in the US and the phrase "Doo Wop collectors" popped in the Goldmine record collecting magazine which revealed to much amazement the rarest/highest priced single was Do I love you. They lifted a quote from a review I wrote (uncredited of course) when Kenny DJ'd at The Spiders Web. I was surprised to find Kenny playing the 45 on a hired citronic double deck. The US writer was astounded it was getting played at all. US collectors either frame rare records or keep them in a safe.

Dave was right about the VU debacle it was "won" with a hoax bid. One hears rumours about Blues 78s fetching big prices and they do as far as I can gather but Frank Wilson's Do i Love you still appears to be the single 45 that has fetched the most money in a sale.

i did not see the Daily Record feature on Kenny but the paper annually prints a page about the top ten rarest records as listed by the Record Collector. It never mentions why certain copies of Bob Dylan's Freewheeling are worth thousands. It's the US album, stereo 1963 featuring 4 tracks deleted from subsequent releases) and worth $35,000.

of course Scottish second hand record shops are besieged by silver haired folkies clutching a CBS copy for days after.

According to Wikepedia this is a list of the rarest records

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_collec...aluable_Records

as an aside if you think Northern Soul record dealers are grumpy check out Joe Bussard

"Midsummer night's scene" you can get on a John's Children compliation that came out in 2002. It's not much good, and isn't even the best of the John's Children tracks ("Jagged Time Lapse" is better, even if still not brilliant). In any event, it could always be had on the album, which isn't outstandingly rare. Just think of Pink Floyd's "See Emily Play", but about 25 per cent of the quality.

It was supposedly a cancelled release, with only 25 pressed, that's become interesting because of the Marc Bolan connection.

UK wise, I'd rather have a copy of Jimmy Robins on President or even another copy of Paradox in better nick.

Johns Children gave the pressed up copies away at one of their residencies in Surrey, I think it was more than 25 copies but can't quite remember, anyway if any copies turn up it's from this batch. It definitely came out on the album they issued in the US on White Whale called "Orgasm" in 1967.

While Frank wilson is most collectable, sex pistols does hold the record for 2nd i would say as the nearest to Beatles collectable is the Quarry Men - That'll Be The Day. it's worth 10,000

It's worth a lot more than that - this is undoubtedly the rarest record in the world and I'm sure would fetch a million pounds in auction. McCartney himself bought it and paid an undisclosed 6 figure sum. he then pressed up a handful of copies on shellac 78's, even these sell for hundreds of pounds.

It's worth a lot more than that - this is undoubtedly the rarest record in the world and I'm sure would fetch a million pounds in auction. McCartney himself bought it and paid an undisclosed 6 figure sum. he then pressed up a handful of copies on shellac 78's, even these sell for hundreds of pounds.

So is it a genuine one off?

It's worth a lot more than that - this is undoubtedly the rarest record in the world and I'm sure would fetch a million pounds in auction. McCartney himself bought it and paid an undisclosed 6 figure sum. he then pressed up a handful of copies on shellac 78's, even these sell for hundreds of pounds.

You mean more expencive,no rarer than any other "one off"

It's not much good, and isn't even the best of the John's Children tracks "Jagged Time Lapse" is better,

'Smashed Blocked' pick of the bunch imo. Better than the below anyway.

It's worth a lot more than that - this is undoubtedly the rarest record in the world and I'm sure would fetch a million pounds in auction. McCartney himself bought it and paid an undisclosed 6 figure sum. he then pressed up a handful of copies on shellac 78's, even these sell for hundreds of pounds.

Why? is there just a quater of the record left? there is plenty of one off's on vinyl, what about acetates they are rarer as the never got to the 'manufacture' stage, worlds rarest record is neither here nor there, i would have thought the worlds most diserable record fits the bill

Well this is how i see it, Frank Wilson and Beatles top the rare record chart no 1 and 2.

But does anyone here actually read Record collector cause i do all the time and in 5 years i know there has been features on Northern soul and stuff. even artists like James Brown, Minnie Riperton, and the like have had features for there records

'Smashed Blocked' pick of the bunch imo. Better than the below anyway.

I knew i had seen this in between a Lou Reed LP and a Steppinwolf Lp round my mother in laws (who still wears loon pants ).....It is truley crap in my oppinion ..............no wonder it is rare.........no one in their right mind would want to own this .....................................Small Faces any day Mind you its slightly better than the "Sex Pistols"

Edited April 13, 200718 yr by mossy

According to Wikepedia this is a list of the rarest records

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_collec...aluable_Records

as an aside if you think Northern Soul record dealers are grumpy check out Joe Bussard

Superbly grumpy LOL thanks for that.

Fascinating rare record site:

https://tefteller.com/html/78s_page1.html

I think a few years back he had some one off 78s for sale, and an article about 78s that people had never even previously heard of, despite pre war blues havnig been trawled over by academics for years. Whilst a northern soul one off demo stands a good chance of another copy being found somewhere, unless the records were deliberately destroyed (and even then...) a 1930s shellac blues 78 that turns up and was never known to exist before must stand a very good chance of being unique.

Edited April 13, 200718 yr by Stuart T

Why?

Er, because it's by the worlds most collectable group???

F*cks sake.

https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildatar.php...nr=300060897304

velvets made only (only!) 25,200 dollars which about £13k at the moment, not £80k?

There was a problem with the first sale if I remember, it was relisted and sold for much more

here's the listing

https://cgi.ebay.com/VELVET-UNDERGROUND-NIC...1QQcmdZViewItem

Offered with a 3 month grace period before you needed to make a payment. Time to sell the house then

There was a problem with the first sale if I remember, it was relisted and sold for much more

here's the listing

https://cgi.ebay.com/VELVET-UNDERGROUND-NIC...1QQcmdZViewItem

Offered with a 3 month grace period before you needed to make a payment. Time to sell the house then

This listing shows the final bid at $155,000 which turned out to be a bogus bid. When it was re-listed it achieved $25,200.

This listing shows the final bid at $155,000 which turned out to be a bogus bid. When it was re-listed it achieved $25,200.

Ah, right you are then. Suppose its a LP too, so doesn't really count.

There are at least 2 copies of Frank Wilson.

I think there are a few 'one offs' to compete with it, not counting the ones left to be discovered.

The owner of one has to buy the other copy and break it so indeed it becomes 'as rare' as possible.

Most rare or Most Valuable?

I understood Reggae tunes from the 60s brought the most money when sold.

The sex pistols vinyl should be recycled as thats all it was fit for then and it still is now.

Ed

This will teach him - writing for a fascist rag!...

:angry:

There are at least 2 copies of Frank Wilson.

I think there are a few 'one offs' to compete with it, not counting the ones left to be discovered.

The owner of one has to buy the other copy and break it so indeed it becomes 'as rare' as possible.

Most rare or Most Valuable?

I understood Reggae tunes from the 60s brought the most money when sold.

The sex pistols vinyl should be recycled as thats all it was fit for then and it still is now.

Ed

I think the "rarest" record was previously thought to be the doo-wop version of "Stormy Weather" by the Five Sharps (78rpm)

https://www.electricearl.com/dws/stormy.html

Do your research before you submit your work......

Malc Burton

What am I always saying? What am I always saying? What am I always saying...?

There are at least 2 copies of Frank Wilson.

I think there are a few 'one offs' to compete with it, not counting the ones left to be discovered.

The owner of one has to buy the other copy and break it so indeed it becomes 'as rare' as possible.

Most rare or Most Valuable?

Here is a quote from an e-mail Kenny sent me which I found interesting:

Around 6 months ago an agent from Motown actually contacted me and asked if I would record my "Do I love you" onto a CD so they (Motown) could release it in a forthcoming project. I was blown away when they said they didn't even have it on tape. The re-release version which came out in the UK 1979 is a slightly differnet take (and I've got an acetate of an even different intro)

So Motown don't even have the original on tape.

As well as Elvis & Beatles ultra rarities I'm sure there are 45's sought after by the U.S. "Doo Wop" collecting fraternity that must have eclipsed the £15,000 mark. Having said that, the "Frank Wilson" transaction must be the highest anybody's paid for a record to D.J. with!!

DES PARKER

I thought the 15 grand included a collection with Frank Wilson in it?

DJ

I thought the 15 grand included a collection with Frank Wilson in it?

DJ

No, Kenny just answered the question for me, he paid 15 grand for Frank Wilson, it wasn't included in a collection.

I never noticed when the question was originally posed but today's Daily Mail has an answer to the question "What is believed to be the most valuable 45rpm record?"

The reply comes from the editor of Record Collector Rare Record Price Guide and reads as follows:

No mention of the iconic £15000 paid for "Do I Love You"!!

Just wondered if one of you knowledgeable guys fancy writing in and redressing the balance. They are pretty good at printing follow-up letters. Any dealer - you might get your business mentioned - that's got to be worth a few minutes to cobble together an email.

Alternatively EVERYONE could email - the sub-editor would wonder what hit him.

Anyway for anyone who "IS BOVERED" - the address is charles.legge@dailymail.co.uk

MB

yep mine gone

In today's Daily Mail a letter from Russ Winstanley was printed, as follows:

Further to the earlier answer, in 1999 Frank Wilson's Do I Love You was sold by Martin Koppel via record dealer Tim Brown in Canada for £15,000 to Scottish DJ and collector Kenny Burrell.

Just 500 promotion copies were pressed for the Motown subsidiary label, Soul Records, in 1965, before Motown owner Berry Gordy told Frank Wilson to concentrate on songwriting and production; especially for the Supremes. Because Do I Love You wasn't to be released, 498 copies were destroyed.

In 1977, American Tom Dieppero found the first copy and sold it to English collector Simon Soussan, based in Los Angeles. As founder and DJ at Wigan Casino Soul Allnighters, Simon was one of my suppliers of rare Northern Soul sounds. Realising it was very rare, I purchased it for £200.

For 12 months, I disguised it's identity by announcing it was sung by Eddie Foster, and it quickly became the most sought-after record in the country. With no more copies resurfacing, in late 1978, I "uncovered" it as Frank Wilson and let Simon Soussan have it back for £1000 worth of other rarities.

It was released on British Motown and the original changed hands a couple of times before the only other copy appeared in 1990. Tim Brown still has my original.

This song has been votd the best ever Northern Soul tune. It is available on many Motown compilations, and features on the KFC ads.

Russ Winstanley

Wigan

Gtr. Manchester

So hopefully that redresses the balance.

I am sure that the various emails from Forum members helped force their hand to print it.

Any chance RW might have picked up on the controversy via this Forum??!!

MB

a very enlightening thread.

I did hear my name being taken in vain once or twice though.

what on earth would I be doing with a quarrymen acetate, pray tell?

Would anyone on this list happen to kow what the Delphi 45 Cause It Hurts/I've Been Hurt by Obanion & The Features brought last spring?  I've looked on John's site but couldn't find it.  Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r986xEHultE