A couple of weeks back I reported the question in the Daily Mail regarding the most expensive 45 r.p.m. record ever sold. Ultimately replied to by Russ Winstanley in respect of Frank Wilson's "Do I Love You?".

I couldn't believe my eyes when I glanced at the questions today (there are only ever 3 per day) and there was the question:

What is the difference between conventional soul and northern soul music?

Doubtless some reader will furnish them with a reply - but maybe someone here fancies doing the honours as well.

Email address, as before, is charles.legge@dailymail.co.uk

I would say that the more people who write in with slightly different spins on the story - the more chance there is that they will print more than one reply.

The Daily Mail is one of the top selling newspapers in the country so excellent opportunity for a bit of positive PR for the NS scene!!!

MB

P.S. They have one "headline" answer each day which always includes a picture. That has to be the ultimate challenge - headline/picture and a couple of well thought out replies. Go for it.

Enough already with the "What is Northern Soul music?" debate.

Can someone please explain to me- what is this 'Daily Mail'?

Enough already with the "What is Northern Soul music?" debate.

Can someone please explain to me- what is this 'Daily Mail'?

Sumthing to do with postmen?!

MNM

Not sure whether your question is a wind up!!??

The Daily Mail is one of the biggest selling newspapers in the U.K.

This was a genuine question posted on their "Answers to Correspondents" page.

The newspaper will normally print the best reader's reply (sometimes a couple) pretty much unedited. So thought that this was an opportunity for some NS scene member/s to explain NS in the public arena without relying on a less than fully informed journalist.

Was I wrong to advise forum members of that?

Starting to wish I hadn't bothered.

Anyway life's too short - move on!!

MB

Do you always have to be so "right-on" , Mrs Norman Maine?

Last thing I got from the Observer was some awful compilation CD with Razorlight, Radiohead and Guillemots, and the Strokes from the Guardian. Talk about crap. I nearly voted UKIP!!

Unless this leads to a Mail headline of " Butch Immigrant Music Corrupts Nation's 50 Year Olds" I think this can only be a good thing if it perhaps lets the Media know that not all of us who are entitled to Saga holidays and think June Whitfield doesn't look bad for her age, are lining up to buy tickets for Abba the Musical and waiting for the next McCartney album.

I wonder if I could get a job writing headlines for the Mail.

ROD

Edited April 30, 200718 yr by modernsoulsucks

A couple of weeks back I reported the question in the Daily Mail regarding the most expensive 45 r.p.m. record ever sold. Ultimately replied to by Russ Winstanley in respect of Frank Wilson's "Do I Love You?".

I couldn't believe my eyes when I glanced at the questions today (there are only ever 3 per day) and there was the question:

Doubtless some reader will furnish them with a reply - but maybe someone here fancies doing the honours as well.

Email address, as before, is charles.legge@dailymail.co.uk

I would say that the more people who write in with slightly different spins on the story - the more chance there is that they will print more than one reply.

The Daily Mail is one of the top selling newspapers in the country so excellent opportunity for a bit of positive PR for the NS scene!!!

MB

P.S. They have one "headline" answer each day which always includes a picture. That has to be the ultimate challenge - headline/picture and a couple of well thought out replies. Go for it.

When someone furnishes the definative answer to this question I'd be glad to read it Though clearly as a rational member of the human race I will not be buying the Daily Mail (or any other newspaper for that matter) to access the answer.

Do you always have to be so "right-on" , Mrs Norman Maine?

Last thing I got from the Observer was some awful compilation CD with Razorlight, Radiohead and Guillemots, and the Strokes from the Guardian. Talk about crap. I nearly voted UKIP!!

Unless this leads to a Mail headline of " Butch Immigrant Music Corrupts Nation's 50 Year Olds" I think this can only be a good thing if it perhaps lets the Media know that not all of us who are entitled to Saga holidays and think June Whitfield doesn't look bad for her age, are lining up to buy tickets for Abba the Musical and waiting for the next McCartney album.

I wonder if I could get a job writing headlines for the Mail.

ROD

Rather 'right on' than right wing......like The Mail.

Edited April 30, 200718 yr by Karen Heath

Enough already with the "What is Northern Soul music?" debate.

Can someone please explain to me- what is this 'Daily Mail'?

You made me smile.

x

Rather 'right on' than right wing......like The Mail.

So do I, but I think Mrs Norman Maine had a valid point!

So do I, but I think Mrs Norman Maine had a valid point!

Indeed she did!

I'm shocked.

From the Associated Newspapers website:

The Group's flagship newspaper (the Daily Mail) has sales in excess of 2.4 million and 6 million readers.

If I was a record dealer or an event organiser I would be sending in an answer with a plug for my business slipped in.

If that was printed it would be publicity you couldn't buy.

Even if the Daily Mail is deemed as taboo ever after could use the strapline "as mentioned in National Press".

But I'm wasting my time aren't I. I'm off!!

MB

Not sure whether your question is a wind up!!??

It was a jokey way of bumping the thread to encourage people to read & post replies if they so wished, sorry if it caused offence.

Do you always have to be so "right-on" , Mrs Norman Maine?

If that was printed it would be publicity you couldn't buy.

To an audience you wouldn't want

But I'm wasting my time aren't I. I'm off!!

You need thicker skin my friend almost 100 posts and you are still taking things said on here to heart?

It was a jokey way of bumping the thread to encourage people to read & post replies if they so wished, sorry if it caused offence.

Whats wrong with a paper ( ), when it brings you stories like this :

Saudis give beauty new meaning with camel pageant

Last updated at 12:49pm on 27th April 2007 Comments (2)

The legs are long, the eyes are big, the bodies curvaceous.

Contestants in this Saudi-style beauty pageant have all the features you might expect anywhere else in the world, but with one crucial difference - the competitors are camels.

This week, the Qahtani tribe of western Saudi Arabia has been welcoming entrants to its Mazayen al-Ibl competition, a parade of the "most beautiful camels" in the desolate desert region of Guwei'iyya, 120 km (75 miles) west of Riyadh.

"In Lebanon they have Miss Lebanon," jokes Walid, moderator of the competition's Web site. "Here we have Miss Camel." Scroll down for more ...

Heads raised high, they know they are the epitome of beauty - or something like it

While tremendous oil wealth has brought rapid modernisation to the desert state of Saudi Arabia, the camel remains celebrated as a symbol of the traditional nomadic lifestyle of Bedouin Arabs.

Throughout history camels have served multiple purposes as food, friend, transport and war machine. They were key to the Arab conquests of the Middle East and North Africa nearly 1,400 years ago that brought Islam to the world.

Camels are also big business in a country where strict Islamic laws and tribal customs would make it impossible for women to take part in their own beauty contest.

Delicate females or strapping males who attract the right attention during this week's show could sell for a million or more riyals. Sponsors have provided 10 million riyals (1.36 million pounds) for the contest, cash that also covers the 72 sports utility vehicles to be will be awarded as prizes.

"Bedouin Arabs are intimately connected to camels and they want to preserve this heritage. The importance of this competition is that it helps preserve the pure-breds," said Sheikh Omair, one of the tribe's leaders,

"We have more than 250 owners taking part and more than 1,500 camels," he said inside a huge tent where the final awards ceremony takes place.

Over at the camel pen, the contestants are getting restless as the desert wind howls and whips up swirls of sand in the hot afternoon sun.

Amid a large crowd of Bedouin who have gathered to watch, the head of the judging committee emerges to venture into an enclosure with some two dozen angry braying camels.

Camel-drivers sing songs of praise to their prized possessions as they try to calm the animals down.

"Beautiful, beautiful!" the judge mutters quietly to himself, inspecting the group. Finalists have been decorated with silver bands and body covers.

"The nose should be long and droop down, that's more beautiful," explains Sultan al-Qahtani, one of the organisers. "The ears should stand back, and the neck should be long. The hump should be high, but slightly to the back."

The camels are divided into four categories according to breed - the black majaheem, white maghateer, dark brown shi'l and the sufur, which are beige with black shoulders. Arabic famously has over 40 terms for different types of camel.

Some females have harnesses strapped around their genitalia to thwart any efforts by the males to mount them. One repeat offender called Marjaa has been moved away. "This one would fetch a million!" says Hamad al-Sudani, a camel-driver, admiring the heavy stud, or fahl.

Mind you Karen, Karen and Mrs Norman, I'm still searching for a lentil and tofu en croute recipe for you in there.

Whats wrong with a paper ( ), when it brings you stories like this :

Saudis give beauty new meaning with camel pageant

Last updated at 12:49pm on 27th April 2007 Comments (2)

The legs are long, the eyes are big, the bodies curvaceous.

Contestants in this Saudi-style beauty pageant have all the features you might expect anywhere else in the world, but with one crucial difference - the competitors are camels.

This week, the Qahtani tribe of western Saudi Arabia has been welcoming entrants to its Mazayen al-Ibl competition, a parade of the "most beautiful camels" in the desolate desert region of Guwei'iyya, 120 km (75 miles) west of Riyadh.

"In Lebanon they have Miss Lebanon," jokes Walid, moderator of the competition's Web site. "Here we have Miss Camel." Scroll down for more ...

Heads raised high, they know they are the epitome of beauty - or something like it

While tremendous oil wealth has brought rapid modernisation to the desert state of Saudi Arabia, the camel remains celebrated as a symbol of the traditional nomadic lifestyle of Bedouin Arabs.

Throughout history camels have served multiple purposes as food, friend, transport and war machine. They were key to the Arab conquests of the Middle East and North Africa nearly 1,400 years ago that brought Islam to the world.

Camels are also big business in a country where strict Islamic laws and tribal customs would make it impossible for women to take part in their own beauty contest.

Delicate females or strapping males who attract the right attention during this week's show could sell for a million or more riyals. Sponsors have provided 10 million riyals (1.36 million pounds) for the contest, cash that also covers the 72 sports utility vehicles to be will be awarded as prizes.

"Bedouin Arabs are intimately connected to camels and they want to preserve this heritage. The importance of this competition is that it helps preserve the pure-breds," said Sheikh Omair, one of the tribe's leaders,

"We have more than 250 owners taking part and more than 1,500 camels," he said inside a huge tent where the final awards ceremony takes place.

Over at the camel pen, the contestants are getting restless as the desert wind howls and whips up swirls of sand in the hot afternoon sun.

Amid a large crowd of Bedouin who have gathered to watch, the head of the judging committee emerges to venture into an enclosure with some two dozen angry braying camels.

Camel-drivers sing songs of praise to their prized possessions as they try to calm the animals down.

"Beautiful, beautiful!" the judge mutters quietly to himself, inspecting the group. Finalists have been decorated with silver bands and body covers.

"The nose should be long and droop down, that's more beautiful," explains Sultan al-Qahtani, one of the organisers. "The ears should stand back, and the neck should be long. The hump should be high, but slightly to the back."

The camels are divided into four categories according to breed - the black majaheem, white maghateer, dark brown shi'l and the sufur, which are beige with black shoulders. Arabic famously has over 40 terms for different types of camel.

Some females have harnesses strapped around their genitalia to thwart any efforts by the males to mount them. One repeat offender called Marjaa has been moved away. "This one would fetch a million!" says Hamad al-Sudani, a camel-driver, admiring the heavy stud, or fahl.

Mind you Karen, Karen and Mrs Norman, I'm still searching for a lentil and tofu en croute recipe for you in there.

You see, this is the sort of story we miss out on by being so lentil-y!

Whats wrong with a paper ( ), when it brings you stories like this :

Saudis give beauty new meaning with camel pageant

Mind you Karen, Karen and Mrs Norman, I'm still searching for a lentil and tofu en croute recipe for you in there.

I see you have both posed and answered the question in your post Steve

Isn't there some old joke about the Foreign Legionaires and camels, think the punchline was "Well, you don't want to get an ugly one, do you?"

Isn't there some old joke about the Foreign Legionaires and camels, think the punchline was "Well, you don't want to get an ugly one, do you?"

Yep. Another foreign legion joke ends with " What happens Thursdays ?" - " Its your turn in the barrell ! "

Edited April 30, 200718 yr by SteveM

Last thing I got from the Observer was some awful compilation CD with Razorlight, Radiohead and Guillemots, and the Strokes from the Guardian. Talk about crap. I nearly voted UKIP!!

ROD

Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this with my arm.

Doctor: Well don't do it.

Works for for free CDs too, Rod. Besides I believe that the Mail has a "Best of Black & white Minstrels" in an upcoming issue...

Godz

Yep. Another foreign legion joke ends with " What happens Thursdays ?" - " Its your turn in the barrell ! "

Another one ends with "only when you get your thumbs caught between the bricks"

Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this with my arm.

Doctor: Well don't do it.

Works for for free CDs too, Rod. Besides I believe that the Mail has a "Best of Black & white Minstrels" in an upcoming issue...

Godz

Isn't there some old joke about the Foreign Legionaires and camels, think the punchline was "Well, you don't want to get an ugly one, do you?"

surly it was.....................

one hump or two

or, be careful he might get the hump

alan

the camel feature could have appeared in any newspaper really. just because it was commissioned by a foaming-at-the-mouth right wing pamphlet, doesn't necessarily lend it kudos. as far as the original post is concerned, I'm all for keeping these dolts informed. they just might be able to work it out one day, by which time, we'll have all moved on to pastures plenty. take that whichever way you will of course.

You're not implying are you Godz that I actually listened to them?

And before you say how do I know they're crap......

ROD

You're not implying are you Godz that I actually listened to them?

And before you say how do I know they're crap......

ROD

Beat me to it Rod!

Have to say to Macca, excellent use of the word 'dolt' a couple of posts up. Sadly underused term these days.

Godz

Edited April 30, 200718 yr by Godzilla

I'm sure if you weave the subjects of asylum seekers and "the people's princess" lady di into your description of what is Northern soul, it would get on the front page of the mail thus reaching potentially 1000's of little englanders. Can't wait for them all to turn up at a soul do.

Jordi

the camel feature could have appeared in any newspaper really. just because it was commissioned by a foaming-at-the-mouth right wing pamphlet, doesn't necessarily lend it kudos. as far as the original post is concerned, I'm all for keeping these dolts informed. they just might be able to work it out one day, by which time, we'll have all moved on to pastures plenty. take that whichever way you will of course.

My point was that the readership wouldn't see the irony in that, rather like the Miss World contest, it was the camels who were doing the exploiting, rather than being exploited. Err. I think.

And Asylum seekers and house prices are the Mails two major stories. Diana belongs almost exclusively to the Sexpress these day. (Prince Philip did it etc etc etc, see pouting Elsa, 18 posing in her scanties outside Harrods and the Paris tunnel, blah blah blah.)

Edited April 30, 200718 yr by SteveM

yeah.

just thought: good name for a punk-psyche band. the exploited camels...

& on that note I bid thee goodnight...

Edited April 30, 200718 yr by macca

yeah.

just thought: good name for a punk-psyche band. the exploited camels...

& on that note I bid thee goodnight...

Sounds like a Keb cover up

jordi, just thought you would like the artist of my latest coverup: di and the little charles experience .

Whats the differnce between Northern Soul and Soul..

The main differnce is if your neighbour collects Northern Soul, you will find the price of your house falling.. one of the problems with Northern Soul collectors is they don't have time to do there garden.. you can always spot one in your street, they are the one where the front garden that has 18" grass in it, they spend there free time listerning to old vinyl (for any of our readers under 30 these are pieces of round black plastic with little lines on). It was once said that princess Di turned her radio on and the northern classics, King for a day was playing. and she said to Prince Charles "Charles I like this" an insider informed us that this was the beginging of thier sepperation when he turned it off. What would have happened if he listerned... would Charles have been king for a day, would Diana have played away?

where as people who like soul music, when they get a free mail on Sunday CD they play it!!!!!

Think that covers it... got a go got a plane to catch...

Well you can't say you didn't get an opportunity to put a reasonable explanation forward.

Can't wait to see the replies from this forum when the Mail prints some complete idiots explanation of "Northern Soul", making us ridiculous, and you lot are all up in arms!

On the other hand, we could send the ridiculous answer in first......

All nearly 50 or older, collect vinyl, won't listen to CDs, dance acrobatically(!), drink far too much, are aware of illegal substances being available, DJs who don't talk or offer spot prizes...can't see attendances rising on the back of this one!

Well you can't say you didn't get an opportunity to put a reasonable explanation forward.

Thanks Brian.

Voice of reason!!

That was the point of making the original post - but truly wish I hadn't bothered.

MB

Thanks Brian.

Voice of reason!!

That was the point of making the original post - but truly wish I hadn't bothered.

MB

Don't take offence MB......you know there are going to be wildly clashing opinions on here.

There have been 33 posts and many many more views which makes it an entertaining subject.....better a gentle ribbing than to be ignored eh?!

I'm sure if you weave the subjects of asylum seekers and "the people's princess" lady di into your description of what is Northern soul, it would get on the front page of the mail thus reaching potentially 1000's of little englanders. Can't wait for them all to turn up at a soul do.

Jordi

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the camel feature could have appeared in any newspaper really. just because it was commissioned by a foaming-at-the-mouth right wing pamphlet, doesn't necessarily lend it kudos. as far as the original post is concerned, I'm all for keeping these dolts informed. they just might be able to work it out one day, by which time, we'll have all moved on to pastures plenty. take that whichever way you will of course.

Have to pick you up on this.. are you saying they're 'dolts' because they don't know what Northern Soul is?

There is a reply printed in the Mail today from Paddy Grady of www.northernsoul.co.uk .

I imagine pretty much word for word as he wrote it - the DM are generally good like that!

SMART GUY! - got a plug in for his website. Now if he wants can always add to his Home Page - "As featured in the National press" - I WOULD!

I am happy to scan and post the reply here if any one person is interested. But not bothered to waste 5 minutes of my life if it just kicks off more inanity.

MB

No, obviously not, Rachel. I'm saying they're dolts because most of the time they choose to misinform.

but who really cares?

the readers of the rag in question are still going to draw their own conclusions on the matter.

as bob dylan once wrote:

'their heads have been twisted & fed with worthless foam from the mouth'.

M

There is a reply printed in the Mail today from Paddy Grady of www.northernsoul.co.uk .

I imagine pretty much word for word as he wrote it - the DM are generally good like that!

SMART GUY! - got a plug in for his website. Now if he wants can always add to his Home Page - "As featured in the National press" - I WOULD!

I am happy to scan and post the reply here if any one person is interested. But not bothered to waste 5 minutes of my life if it just kicks off more inanity.

MB

Yes I am that man!! I will certainly be adding those words MB as you have suggested to the web site!!

The reply was intended as a brief answer to the ordinary layman in the street who does not know a thing about our music, and it was certainly not aimed at the knowledgeable lot on here!!

Cheers

Paddy

Edited May 1, 200718 yr by paddy grady

There is a reply printed in the Mail today from Paddy Grady of www.northernsoul.co.uk .

I imagine pretty much word for word as he wrote it - the DM are generally good like that!

SMART GUY! - got a plug in for his website. Now if he wants can always add to his Home Page - "As featured in the National press" - I WOULD!

I am happy to scan and post the reply here if any one person is interested. But not bothered to waste 5 minutes of my life if it just kicks off more inanity.

MB

Are we all being inane then? I thought my comments were relevant. I could be wrong of course?

M

There is a reply printed in the Mail today from Paddy Grady of www.northernsoul.co.uk .

I imagine pretty much word for word as he wrote it - the DM are generally good like that!

SMART GUY! - got a plug in for his website. Now if he wants can always add to his Home Page - "As featured in the National press" - I WOULD!

I am happy to scan and post the reply here if any one person is interested. But not bothered to waste 5 minutes of my life if it just kicks off more inanity.

MB

post em up

sure his view be of interest

There is a reply printed in the Mail today from Paddy Grady of www.northernsoul.co.uk .

I imagine pretty much word for word as he wrote it - the DM are generally good like that!

SMART GUY! - got a plug in for his website. Now if he wants can always add to his Home Page - "As featured in the National press" - I WOULD!

I am happy to scan and post the reply here if any one person is interested. But not bothered to waste 5 minutes of my life if it just kicks off more inanity.

MB

Why post saying you could post something but can't be bothered. Also why so touchy? It's an intesting subject and some replies had a bit of humour - better than being ignores and certainly not desrving of being called inane. Makes you sound a bit superior when in reality we're all equal round here mate

Mind you I'd be upset if anyone critisised my paper of choice - 40 year old copies of TV21...

Just post it and I promise to be completely nane.

Godz

Now that Paddy is in the loop I'll leave him to decide whether to post up his letter.

Looks good to me but most likely he'll have to justify every word in it.

Now that Paddy is in the loop I'll leave him to decide whether to post up his letter.

Don't keep us in suspense mate - I bet there's lots of us who would like to read it. Thanks for putting the original post up in the first place.

Go on - be a devil. Five minutes?

Now that Paddy is in the loop I'll leave him to decide whether to post up his letter.

Looks good to me but most likely he'll have to justify every word in it.

When I wrote the answer to the question, I assumed there would be 100's of replies from the experts on here , I never thought they would use mine, so how many people from on SS did repond? Surely I was not the only one?

Cheers

Paddy

Paddy

You O.K. with that?

I thought your reply was well worded and well balanced. Congrats from me!!

Just say the word and I'll post it up.

MB

Paddy

You O.K. with that?

I thought your reply was well worded and well balanced. Congrats from me!!

Just say the word and I'll post it up.

MB

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Think we mostly know what the difference is on here

Why so aggressive by the way MB?

Winnie :-)

Winnie

Honest, honest, honest - from the bottom of my heart - haven't meant to come over as aggressive.

Must just be "defensive" coming over as "aggressive".

Just struggling to accept the racist stereoyping of the Daily Mail - a paper which has a black guy as senior showbiz reporter.

And so stupid to introduce that camel issue here. I appreciate it's on their website under the heading "This Wacky World". But I don't even recall it making it into the paper itself.

I've been in touch with the soul scene in this country, in my own way, since day zero.

Started what I thought was a positive thread here and now feel I've been punched for about the 18th time. I've got broad shoulders, trust me, but just feel some of it has been unnecessary.

MB

Winnie

Honest, honest, honest - from the bottom of my heart - haven't meant to come over as aggressive.

Must just be "defensive" coming over as "aggressive".

Just struggling to accept the racist stereoyping of the Daily Mail - a paper which has a black guy as senior showbiz reporter.

And so stupid to introduce that camel issue here. I appreciate it's on their website under the heading "This Wacky World". But I don't even recall it making it into the paper itself.

I've been in touch with the soul scene in this country, in my own way, since day zero.

Started what I thought was a positive thread here and now feel I've been punched for about the 18th time. I've got broad shoulders, trust me, but just feel some of it has been unnecessary.

MB

I would like to read Paddy's reply to the question posed.

Just struggling to accept the racist stereoyping of the Daily Mail - a paper which has a black guy as senior showbiz reporter.

come on guys. let's keep on topic!

there's absolutely no point fretting over whether the exploitative nature of camels falls in line with the editorial slant of the UK's 2nd tabloid.

we all know what a compassionate, tolerant rag it is.

I'm also relieved to know they have a black gossip columnist.

highly commendable.