Just a question , i have a fair collection including many originals and quite a few reissues , boots , etc. Just wondered if there are any that are worth a lot ie; more than the average tenner you see at most soul nites. Any views on this , artists , songs , prices ?

Cheers

Daz

Yep.....some reissues/pressings go for daft money and are actually very collectable, Grapevine/Soul Sounds series etc

will have to have a proper look , may have a few bobs worth without me knowing

I was chatting to a couple of people over the weekend about this sort of thing at the Rat pit in Bredury Stockport. The reissues that are flooding the market now with lookalike lables are to me a right load of ballo**ks and who ever is putting them out wants shooting,

In the main i have no real issue with the stuff that came out in the seventies, late sixties and in some instances go for a fair amount of mony, that was a case of unable to get it on an orginal so a boot will do untill a proper one comes along, but it wasn't usualy a blatent copy of the original label as it is now, or i should say in the main you could tell it wasn't the right lable, and the other point about the recent stuff.. a lot of it isn't that rare anyway. Thats me gripe over.

To the main question. It is worth checking out a lot of old pressings (and for that matter some recent ones) as some of them have either a different mix to the played out version, or the reason i have started buying reissues, boots etc again..quite a few have a previously unreleased track on them and i personnaly would have no issue if someone was to play a boot of a previously unreleased track.

What i have also noticed value wise, a lot of records given away at alnighters are bringing a fair few bob now. Besides the very collectable and valueble Kent singles i have just paid over £20 for an anaversary single from a German alnighter ( could do with a definative list of of freebies from venues, I may start one on another thtead)

Then you have the old EMI disc's from the 60ts and 70ts, again i collect these as well. A lot of them were given away up here in the North West during the Torch/Wigan days as a sort of promo to local DJ,s I used to go to Dukinfield Rugby Club during this period which was a Friday night do, we would go there then cadge a lift to Va,Vas ect...oh no you got me reminising, back to the point..a lot of the top tracks were being played at Duki and i wondered for years how they could do it. Years later Dave Stubbs told me the used to get EMIs given to him by the top DJs, as Dave was and still is dealing in records, he used to sell and buy to Richard S etc, besides djing at Duki. He came by them on a regular basis..anyway back to the point some of them have a lesser know/played track on them besides a top sound of the time. But they go cheaply in most cases so i buy them up when i can. The sound quality isn't always up to much as they have had a good turn table battering but its nice to have a 7" in your hand if you pardon the pun.

Last point, about reissues. The Grapevine (7ts label), Kent etc which are legit!!!! are in my view, mostly the only British issue and not stricly speaking reissues and deserve to comand the prices they are, if they had come out on lables like Decca, Columbia et al in the sixies people would be clammering to buy them and hold them in up as fine examples of soul music that escaped only to be rediscovered by this wonderful movement we know as Northern Soul...

So check out your pressings, reissues, free singles, later British singles, as you can raise a fair few bob if you come to sell them..but remeber at the end of the day, a pressing is a pressing and will never be a original!!!!!

Cheers John

I was chatting to a couple of people over the weekend about this sort of thing at the Rat pit in Bredury Stockport. The reissues that are flooding the market now with lookalike lables are to me a right load of ballo**ks and who ever is putting them out wants shooting,

In the main i have no real issue with the stuff that came out in the seventies, late sixties and in some instances go for a fair amount of mony, that was a case of unable to get it on an orginal so a boot will do untill a proper one comes along, but it wasn't usualy a blatent copy of the original label as it is now, or i should say in the main you could tell it wasn't the right lable, and the other point about the recent stuff.. a lot of it isn't that rare anyway. Thats me gripe over.

To the main question. It is worth checking out a lot of old pressings (and for that matter some recent ones) as some of them have either a different mix to the played out version, or the reason i have started buying reissues, boots etc again..quite a few have a previously unreleased track on them and i personnaly would have no issue if someone was to play a boot of a previously unreleased track.

What i have also noticed value wise, a lot of records given away at alnighters are bringing a fair few bob now. Besides the very collectable and valueble Kent singles i have just paid over £20 for an anaversary single from a German alnighter ( could do with a definative list of of freebies from venues, I may start one on another thtead)

Then you have the old EMI disc's from the 60ts and 70ts, again i collect these as well. A lot of them were given away up here in the North West during the Torch/Wigan days as a sort of promo to local DJ,s I used to go to Dukinfield Rugby Club during this period which was a Friday night do, we would go there then cadge a lift to Va,Vas ect...oh no you got me reminising, back to the point..a lot of the top tracks were being played at Duki and i wondered for years how they could do it. Years later Dave Stubbs told me the used to get EMIs given to him by the top DJs, as Dave was and still is dealing in records, he used to sell and buy to Richard S etc, besides djing at Duki. He came by them on a regular basis..anyway back to the point some of them have a lesser know/played track on them besides a top sound of the time. But they go cheaply in most cases so i buy them up when i can. The sound quality isn't always up to much as they have had a good turn table battering but its nice to have a 7" in your hand if you pardon the pun.

Last point, about reissues. The Grapevine (7ts label), Kent etc which are legit!!!! are in my view, mostly the only British issue and not stricly speaking reissues and deserve to comand the prices they are, if they had come out on lables like Decca, Columbia et al in the sixies people would be clammering to buy them and hold them in up as fine examples of soul music that escaped only to be rediscovered by this wonderful movement we know as Northern Soul...

So check out your pressings, reissues, free singles, later British singles, as you can raise a fair few bob if you come to sell them..but remeber at the end of the day, a pressing is a pressing and will never be a original!!!!!

Cheers John

Good post mate can't comment on current re-issues/boots etc cos i aint seen any(may have inadvertently heard em out though )

I had a few of the EMI discs back in those days and you are right some did have lesser known tracks on the b side. Also some if you were lucky were double a sides(for want of a better description). They would have 2 top sounds on. These were quite acceptable until the 'real deal' came into your possession. they weren't frowned upon quite so much in them days. You could often see them in sales boxes circa 1970+ along side american imports and british originals.No one seemed at the time to mind selling them and folks would buy it appeared.However (correct me if I'm wrong) but these were one of the first, if not the first pressings to hit the scene and were easily recognisable so everyone knew what they were getting , so there was no risk involved in buying,you pay yer money yer get what yer pay for --a pressing. Nowadays ,i suppose the more discerning /knowleadgeable collector has to check matrix numbers etc etc etc

I think you'll be surprised , a Frank Beverly re-issue went for stupid money on e-bay a while back and i got a pretty penny for a couple of kent anniversary singles some of the grapevine demos are going up in price too , so you never no you could be sat on a goldmine especially if you can find the person who bought the Frank Beverly luv Di xx

aswell as serving a purpose could it be that bootlegs were not frowned upon so much because we were all so much younger and less cynical/judgemental ? i mean look at some of the tunes that were played back then !...joe 90,footsie etc can just imagine the dancefloor at a nighter today if these tunes were played....

as for recognising bootlegs i think its easier to tell nowadays pressings as theyve obviously used pc scanners for the labels....some of the 70s boots...ive got something good for instance ...are very hard to tell !!!

The Yum Yums ABC Demo lookalike from 1975 has gone for low three-figures over the past few years.

The Yum Yums ABC Demo lookalike from 1975 has gone for low three-figures over the past few years.

1977 that came out Gene.

1977 that came out Gene.

Cheers Pete! Would the Eddie Regan have been done around the same time?

1977 I realised my box of 1000 records were boots and UK second issues so the lot went and I started again.

aswell as serving a purpose could it be that bootlegs were not frowned upon so much because we were all so much younger and less cynical/judgemental ? i mean look at some of the tunes that were played back then !...joe 90,footsie etc can just imagine the dancefloor at a nighter today if these tunes were played....

as for recognising bootlegs i think its easier to tell nowadays pressings as theyve obviously used pc scanners for the labels....some of the 70s boots...ive got something good for instance ...are very hard to tell !!!

Yes probably the innocence of youth and all that!! Not seen the Sam and Kitty so I cant comment mate. Hold on though I did have it (1973ish?) but can't remember if it was a boot. Could 've been ,as you say very hard to distinguish from the 'real'. Black label wasn't it.... I dunno....been ages mate

Any way the EMI discs I was referring to may have been a tad earlier and were quite distinctive(to me anyway and hopefully to others). They were thicker than the 'normal' vinyl and were like a metal and dead heavy. They just had a white label and typed or sometimes just written on the label Artist and title on both sides. I 've mentioned this before but they were as lethal as Oddjobs bowler hat. There were quite a few about of that desciption though. Maybe as techonology got better in the early 70's pressings became more and more similar to the 'real' thing. Dunno just pontificating(woops there are creams )

Come on chaps can someone give us a definitive history/guide to pressings on the soul scene probably covers late Wheel onwards dunnit?

i mentioned that cos i bought one recently supposed to be genuine and turned out to be suspect at best....the seller took it back so wasnt a prob.....just reading the manship bootleg guide its amazing how close some of them were....the malibus gee baby i love you for instance the only way to tell is the "i love you" is in small case instead of capitols...easy if you know !....some of the labels such as dion are also almost impossible as originals didnt always have stamped numbers,had different shades of orange etc....at the end of the day most of them were counterfeit and made to deceive whereas most of todays boots are double siders sometimes of different labels so are obviously not genuine

The Yum Yums ABC Demo lookalike from 1975 has gone for low three-figures over the past few years.

thats true,coz i sold one

What an intersting thread Daz nice one i have enjoyed reading all the posts mate!!

Its like the Original Soul Patches are now highly collectable too!!

And yet there are even fakes of those too openly sold at Soul Nites, Niters and weekenders

Funny old world innit!"!

Torchboy x

Just a question , i have a fair collection including many originals and quite a few reissues , boots , etc. Just wondered if there are any that are worth a lot ie; more than the average tenner you see at most soul nites. Any views on this , artists , songs , prices ?

Cheers

Daz

The much discussed TOBY BULLARD has caught a lot of people out over the yrs me thinks

Infact it still is

https://www.recordsbymail.com/artistPage.ph...istLast=BULLARD

anyone want a real one for £50 get in touch

Edited June 17, 200817 yr by NORTHERN NEV

Yep an interesting thread.

I bought a load of Destinty demos about 8 years ago - not far off the full set from a geezer who used to be involved with Selecta Disk. Paid a pound each for em. Nice to have I thought. Leant em out and never got em back.

I don't know that much but they're worth more than a quid each!

The much discussed TOBY BULLARD has caught a lot of people out over the yrs me thinks

Infact it still is

https://www.recordsbymail.com/artistPage.ph...istLast=BULLARD

anyone want a real one for £50 get in touch

when you say a real one, i take it you mean the lyrics on g.n.p. creshendo

when you say a real one, i take it you mean the lyrics on g.n.p. creshendo

correct

correct

I thought Toby Bullard was legit? I know it's the same as the Lyrics but how about local label vs. major label release?

What i have also noticed value wise, a lot of records given away at alnighters are bringing a fair few bob now. Besides the very collectable and valueble Kent singles i have just paid over £20 for an anaversary single from a German alnighter ( could do with a definative list of of freebies from venues, I may start one on another thtead)

Here's your starting point then

Reissues

Hello

Just for a bit of fun i collect the New Grapevine 2000 series but the Demos only!!

In my endevour i have several that came out as Demo's but were withdrawn for some reasob or another!!

Like i said this just a bit of fun as iam an avid collector.

As some of you know i do a bit of DJing on the scene, i have NEVER played these records "out" anywhere and probabably never will do.!

But i would be be intersted in the DJ etiquete of playing these out at Northern Events, I mean the UN-ISSUED / WITHDRAWN ones NOT the run of the mill Re-Issues

What do you say, Chalky, Dave Rimmer as you know i always value your opinions and i know you will be brutaly honest

In fact lets open it up say ANY legal re issue label that has the odd demo that was issued briefly!!

Nige b

In fact lets open it up say ANY legal re issue label that has the odd demo that was issued briefly!!

Nige b

The above should read

Any legal re issue label that has the odd demo that was issued briefly THEN WITHDRAWN!!

Nige b

I thought Toby Bullard was legit? I know it's the same as the Lyrics but how about local label vs. major label release?

Nope,Toby Bullard has been discussed on many occasion on here.

Boot copy put on, what is prob one of thee rare labels around " FLODAVIEUR"

Basically to dupe people into thinkin it was a rare find ,but scored an own goal by not doing his research and finding out it was already released by THE LYRICS

ANTELLECTS-LOVE SLAVE(FLODAVIEUR) ,need i say more

Nev

Hello

Just for a bit of fun i collect the New Grapevine 2000 series but the Demos only!!

In my endevour i have several that came out as Demo's but were withdrawn for some reasob or another!!

Like i said this just a bit of fun as iam an avid collector.

As some of you know i do a bit of DJing on the scene, i have NEVER played these records "out" anywhere and probabably never will do.!

But i would be be intersted in the DJ etiquete of playing these out at Northern Events, I mean the UN-ISSUED / WITHDRAWN ones NOT the run of the mill Re-Issues

What do you say, Chalky, Dave Rimmer as you know i always value your opinions and i know you will be brutaly honest

In fact lets open it up say ANY legal re issue label that has the odd demo that was issued briefly!!

Nige b

It's never an issue for me, the only singles of that nature that I own are the 100 Club Anniversary singles and I have no problem playing any of those at a venue. As many of you know I don't collect any UK releases (Other than the Kent / 100 Club singles), so really it isn't a question I've ever considered.

Personally I probably wouldn't play anything other than the 100 Club singles, but as you say, some of the Grapevine stuff is previously unissued so really is no less valid than the 100 Club singles.

It's up to you mate, it's no good asking me about DJ etiquette, I fart on stage sometimes

Hello

Just for a bit of fun i collect the New Grapevine 2000 series but the Demos only!!

In my endevour i have several that came out as Demo's but were withdrawn for some reasob or another!!

Like i said this just a bit of fun as iam an avid collector.

As some of you know i do a bit of DJing on the scene, i have NEVER played these records "out" anywhere and probabably never will do.!

But i would be be intersted in the DJ etiquete of playing these out at Northern Events, I mean the UN-ISSUED / WITHDRAWN ones NOT the run of the mill Re-Issues

What do you say, Chalky, Dave Rimmer as you know i always value your opinions and i know you will be brutaly honest

In fact lets open it up say ANY legal re issue label that has the odd demo that was issued briefly!!

Nige b

ey up Nige mate, hope your well. I've the Al Williams Try Them in my play box and I've played it out. There are at least two Kent in there at the minute as well. If it's unreleased get it played.

ey up Nige mate, hope your well. I've the Al Williams Try Them in my play box and I've played it out. There are at least two Kent in there at the minute as well. If it's unreleased get it played.

Thats could enuff for me!! I too have the Al Williams nice toon innit!!

And its the last time i follow Dave Rimmer when i DJ,,, I thougt the funny smell came from his play box not him!!!!,,,, mind you they do eat Faggotts & Mushy Peas a lot in Dudley i believe!!!

Cheers Dave & Chalks

Nige

Yep an interesting thread.

I bought a load of Destinty demos about 8 years ago - not far off the full set from a geezer who used to be involved with Selecta Disk. Paid a pound each for em. Nice to have I thought. Leant em out and never got em back.

I don't know that much but they're worth more than a quid each!

ive got these as well from rob hurts yard nottm, i bought them all in one go so he gave me all white demos ,including lover which i believe was withdrawn.

kev

It's never an issue for me, the only singles of that nature that I own are the 100 Club Anniversary singles and I have no problem playing any of those at a venue. As many of you know I don't collect any UK releases (Other than the Kent / 100 Club singles), so really it isn't a question I've ever considered.

Personally I probably wouldn't play anything other than the 100 Club singles, but as you say, some of the Grapevine stuff is previously unissued so really is no less valid than the 100 Club singles.

It's up to you mate, it's no good asking me about DJ etiquette, I fart on stage sometimes

Classic

Now theres an idea for a thread. Farting at Northern soul events!

Longest fart at a soul do

replacing a hand clap with a fart on the dance floor

Farting in an RnB room and no one notices

best anal rendition of 'Bari Track'

Cover ups with a whoopee cushion instead of an original

Anyway must get a life -----Bloody toilet humour ---it stinks