So there's the raging debate on OVO thread but what about the music eh?

No arguments about OVO etc and should they/should they not be played out (I know my humble opinion) but how about a look at some of the fantastic unreleased tracks on legit labels that have found favour whether on the dancefloor or at home. Label owners / publishing companies feel free to promote and give us a taste of what may be to come!

Will kick off with a couple of easy ones:

Gloria Shannon - Tears (Are A Gift From Heaven) - REALSIDE

Dottie Pearson - Bring It Over Baby / House Made Of Love - Grapevine

There's plenty out there without having to resort to the same old boots / oldies. Plenty of recent releases but what about forgotten ones?

Rich

Edited September 23, 200817 yr by harrogatesoul

If the Contours - Baby Hit & Run is on the list, would The Isley Brothers - Tell Me It Is Just A Rumour Baby also qualify? Or do they just fall into the realms of UK only releases?

Edited September 28, 200817 yr by Supercorsa

If the Contours - Baby Hit & Run is on the list, would The Isley Brothers - Tell Me It Is Just A Rumour Baby also qualify? Or do they just fall into the realms of UK only releases?

Also The Marvelettes " Reaching for something I can't have " TMG 860 wasn't released until 1972 , surely that's an old 60's side ? Best ,Eddie

I've taken out the Contours track due to its issue on the MFP LP - So technically issued - However tracks like that & say Garland Green CTM - Could be included addendum due to it being an unissued recording on 45 but appearing on 45. Alternatively - Say if Bettye Swanns' ' I Want Sunday Back Again' appeared on a Warners (or whatever) 45 it would be worthy of inclusion as a recording appearing on 45 for the first time. So what do we think? A compiled list of tracks such as Green / Contours etc etc? And I'll say it again - as Brett highlighted Bill Spoon - There's essential material to be added ala 12/LP etc. (however I will leave the CD / Mp3 OFO list to someone else......)

Rich

Edited September 28, 200817 yr by harrogatesoul

How about these from the Connoiseurs label , an off shoot of Goldmine :

101 . Pat Lewis - Genie

102.Joey Kingfish - I won't hurt you anymore

103. Edwin Starr - You got to be foolin '

104. Edwin Starr - Has it happened to you yet

105. Sharon Soul - Girl crazy c/w Barbara Mercer - Happiness is here

Any views welcome ,Best ,Eddie

Absolutely Eddie - Was trying to find a list of Goldmine 45s that warranted inclusion and asked the question re. the Connioseurs label. Many thanks and will update in a tad (cooking chinese for 4 at mo) and will update later if no objections from anyone?

Also - I know the bulk of these 45s are issued from UK sources - Have any of the US ( or anywhere!) got anything from their respective countries?

Rich

Got nothing to do about what can/can't be played Brett - As my answer to Benji above its not a soul-political thread just one about unissued material issued on 45.

Rich

Hi Rich, read all the posts, still think the Garland Green got a release via the lp and should not be included.......and whilst playing devils advocate, what about things like Percy Stone (which got an original release on Ram) but only got to the demo for a re-issue (grapevine) but was withdrawn due to legal issues / (not sure clear exactly why, but it did get withdrawn). Just to turn the debate on it's head.

Brett F

ps hope your day is better now you have had your Oriental meal.

Edited September 28, 200817 yr by Brett F

Hi Rich, read all the posts, still think the Garland Green got a release via the lp and should not be included.......and whilst playing devils advocate, what about things like Percy Stone (which got an original release on Ram) but only got to the demo for a re-issue (grapevine) but was withdrawn due to legal issues / (not sure clear exactly why, but it did get withdrawn). Just to turn the debate on it's head.

Brett F

ps hope your day is better now you have had your Oriental meal.

Hello Brett,

The Percy Stone demos on Grapevine were double-sided because at the time we didn't have a master source for the flip side. It was intended to get a master and then issue the record but it just never happened. I don't recall a legal problem, it was just decided not to proceed with the commercial release.

A similar thing happened with the Barons Of Soul single. There wasn't a flip side and the sound was terrible anyway. After circulating a few double-sided demos the project was cancelled.

That was a case where the unissued track was just a rough demo (as many are) and had never been intended for release.

Best regards,

Paul

Hello Brett,

The Percy Stone demos on Grapevine were double-sided because at the time we didn't have a master source for the flip side. It was intended to get a master and then issue the record but it just never happened. I don't recall a legal problem, it was just decided not to proceed with the commercial release.

A similar thing happened with the Barons Of Soul single. There wasn't a flip side and the sound was terrible anyway. After circulating a few double-sided demos the project was cancelled.

That was a case where the unissued track was just a rough demo (as many are) and had never been intended for release.

Best regards,

Paul

Hi Paul, thanks for the clarification, i always ( mind is full of nonsense) thought it was legal reasons, shows how wrong you can be, via word of mouth etc, once again great to hear it from the horses mouth.

Brett F

Ps Paul, i guess the Percy Stone demo must be a collectable Uk 45'......?

say yes because i have it

Hi Rich , here's the releases from Goldmine [ Sevens label ] that qualify for inclusion in the ever growing list :

0001. Melvin Davis / Steve Mancha - I need my baby c/w Pat Lewis - Hit and run DJ only

also released as 1 on the regular label.

4. Eddie Holman - Where I'm not wanted c/w Larks - You need love

23. LV Johnson - Recipe

30. Diane Lewis - Keep a hold on me c/w JJ Barnes - Sweet honey baby

T- 2 DJ. Johnny Taylor - Love on a lease plan c/w L.V Johnson - Got to get rid of you [ Got my copy of this at the 2nd Togetherness all nighter at Kings hall as a freebie ]

If I've made any mistakes please feel free to correct me .Best ,Eddie

Just what are the origins of the Bobby McClure / GC Cameron / Bobby Byrd 45s?...

Rich

How could I forget the GC Cameron?

"Live For Love" was one of eight tracks recorded in 1979 / 1980 for an album project intended for Honey Records.

UK publishers Peterman & Co. (who were affiliated with Carlin) liked the song so they issued it in the UK on their Flamingo label via Magnet.

Since then Millbrand obtained the rights and I finally got to hear the other unissued tracks about six years ago. We did a remix of "Live For Love" and licensed it to Passion/Expansion for an album - I don't recall which one.

Out of the other unissued tracks, there's a nice one called "Love Just Ain't No Fun" which I might release one day.

Best regards,

Ps Paul, i guess the Percy Stone demo must be a collectable Uk 45'......?

say yes because i have it

There won't be many copies in circulation. I can't remember how many we pressed but it wasn't a lot. Do you ever see one for sale?

Another one thats just came on my I-pod while driving home........ old spin from Dean Anderson Steve Mancha 'He Sole The Love...'

How could I forget the GC Cameron?

"Live For Love" was one of eight tracks recorded in 1979 / 1980 for an album project intended for Honey Records.

UK publishers Peterman & Co. (who were affiliated with Carlin) liked the song so they issued it in the UK on their Flamingo label via Magnet.

Since then Millbrand obtained the rights and I finally got to hear the other unissued tracks about six years ago. We did a remix of "Live For Love" and licensed it to Passion/Expansion for an album - I don't recall which one.

Out of the other unissued tracks, there's a nice one called "Love Just Ain't No Fun" which I might release one day.

Best regards,

So are we right to include GC as 'recorded for another label but remained unissued until Flamingo released it? '

Percy Stone gained a release on a 45 but remained 'promo only' on Grapevine so would think not for inclusion here. (Thanks Brett - Chinese went well but Tofu is a f*c*k*r to cook well!)

Amending list now.

Rich

Thanks Ian,

"Baby Hit And Run" was probably the track which really made us all start to wonder just what unknown delights were in the Motown vaults.

I feel like I'm sixteen again.

Paul

Was Jr Walkers " I Ain't Going Nowhere" a previously unreleased track ? Remember him doing this at Blackpool Mecca

Previously Unreleased tracks on 45

Al Williams - Try Them (Grapevine)

Aleshure Shower The World (Phoenix)

Anita robbins / Chuck Brooks - I Can't Stand It / Last Minute Plans (Grapevine)

Barbara & the Browns - I'm Gonna Start A War (Kent)

Bobby Byrd - Thank you for your love (Contempo)

Bobby Cutchins - Leaving (Soul Junction)

Bobby Reed - Caledonia Brown / Baby Dont You Leave (UK Shrine/Goldmine)

Carla Thomas - I'll Never Stop Loving You (Kent)

Carla Thomas - I'll Never Stop Loving You / Prophets Band - Peaches Baby (6T's Anniversary)

Carla Thomas - I'll Never Stop Loving You (Horaces)

Charles Brimmer - Show & Tell (Hayley)

Chubby Checker / Teardrops - You Can't Lose Something / Here Comes Loneliness (6T's Anniversary)

Chuck Jackson / Superb Strings - What's With This Loneliness / Surf n Soul (6T's Anniversary)

Danny Cobus / Chico & Buddy - The Two Of Us / You Won't Miss The Water (Kent)

David Sea - Believe In Me - (Shotgun)

Dean Courtney / Sharon Scott - Today Is My Day / Putting My Heart Under Lock & key (6T's Anniversary)

Debra Johnson / Diplomats - To Get Love You've Got To Give Love / I Really Love You (6T's Anniversary)

Detroit Magnificents - Is This A Woman's Way? (Grapevine)

Diane Lewis JJ Barnes - Keep a hold on me / Sweet honey baby (Goldmine)

Devonnes / Mayberry Movement - Doin' The Gittin' Up / I See Him Making Love to You (6T's Anniversary)

Doni Burdick - Candle / Watcha gonna Do (Soul King)

Dottie Pearson - A House Made Of Love / Bring It Over Baby (Grapevine)

Eddie Holman - Hold Me In Your Arms (Grapevine)Eddie Holman - Where I'm not wanted c/w Larks - You Need Love (Goldmine)

Eddie Ray - Wait A Minute (Prix/Numero Group)

Edwin Starr - You got to be foolin (Connioseurs)

Edwin Starr - Has it happened to you yet (Connioseurs)

Emanual Laskey - (Put your Name) In the Hall of Fame (Hayley)

Eric & The Vikings - Hurting - (Kool Kat)

Family Underground - All We Have Is A Song / There Must Be An Answer (Hollygrove)

Family Underground - Nowhere To Love / Our loves Gone By (Hollygrove)

Gigi & The Charmaines / The Mysteries - I Don't Want To Lose Him / Too Late Now (6T's Anniversary)

Gloria Shannon - Tears Are Gifts From Heaven (Realside)

Gwen Owen - Lies / Rain (Mel-ady)

Hoagy Lands - True Love At Last (UK American USA 13)

Hy-Tones / George Jackson - Good News / All In My Mind (6T's Anniversary)

Inspirations - Gotta Find A New Love (Benn-x / Goldmine?)

J J Barnes - Love At First Sight (Hayley)

Jeffree - Love Loan (Expansion)

Jerry Williams - When You Move, You Lose (Grapevine)

Jimmy Ruffin - Leading Lady - Take My Hand (Soul Junction)

Steve Mancha - One in a million (Hayley)

Jimmy Ruffin - We Finally Found Out / Long Version (Soul Junction)

Joey Kingfish - I won't hurt you anymore (Connioseurs)

John Edwards - Tin Man (Kent)

John Edwards / Loleatta Holloway - Ain't That Good Enough / This Man's Arms (6T's Anniversary)

Johnnie Taylor / Judy Clay - Please Let Me In / Since You Came Along (6T's Anniversary)

Johnny Moore - Yesterday, Today And Tomorrow (Grapevine)

Johnny Moore - You Fixed It / Your Way Is My Way (Soul Junction)

Just Brothers - Honey (Hayley)

Lorraine Chandler / Metros - You Only Live Twice / Mr Imagination (6T's Anniversary)

Luther Ingram / Chet Ivey - Baby Don't You Weep / Mata Hari (Kent)

L.V Johnson - Recipe For Love (Goldmine)

Little Ann - Who Are You Trying to Fool (Kent)

Little Bobby Parker - I Won't Believe It (Till I See It) - (UK Shrine/Goldmine)

Loretta Kendrick - My Feelings Keep getting In The Way (Hayley)

Melba Moore - The Magic Touch / Chuck Jackson Ensemble - Little By Little - (6T's Anniversary)

Melba Moore - Magic Touch (Kent)

Melba Moore / Tommy Hunt - Magic Touch (Horaces)

Melvin Davis / Steve Mancha - I need my baby c/w Pat Lewis - Hit and run (Goldmine)

Mill Evans / Millionaires - Ain't You Glad / I'm The One Who Loves You (6T's Anniversary)

Milton Bennett / The Hesitations - What's One More Lie / Go Away (6T's Anniversary)

Mixed Emotions - Am I Imposing - ROCK-WAY

MM & The Peanuts / The Charmaines - Can't Say No / I Idolize You (6T's Anniversary)

Nelson Saunders - It's Real / I Hold The Key (Soul King)

Other Brothers / Bettye Swann - Nobody But Me / The Dance Is Over - (Kent)

Pat Lewis - Genie (Connoiseurs)

Peggy Woods / ZZ Band - Love Is Gonna Get You / You Just Cheat & Lie (6T's Anniversary)

Platters - Not My Girl - 6T's Anniversary 3

Ron Henderson & Choice Of Colour - Nobody Will Ever Take Your Love From Me / Hooked On Your Love (Soul Junction)

Ronnie Walker - Trouble (Impact)

Royal Five - Nobody Else / Don't Stop (P&L)

Rozetta Johnson - You Better Keep What You Got (Shotgun)

Sam Dees - Fool Of The Year (Shotgun)

Sammy Campbell - Hold On Till Tomorrow / For The Love Of You (Hollygrove)

Sammy Campbell - Suga Would Ya / Crazy Bout You (Hollygrove)

San Franciscan TKO's / Peggy Gaines - Make Up Your Mind / When The Boy That You Love (6T's Anniversary)

September Jones - Give Me All Of Your Love (Body & Soul)

Sharon Soul / Barbara Mercer - Girl Crazy / Happiness is here (Connioseurs)

Sons Of Robin Stone - I'm Ready To Give Up My Love / It Only Happens In The Movies

Springers - Who You Gonna Turn To (Wale)

Stella & Gazelles - I'm Not In Love With You Anymore / Topics - Nicer Girl

Sy Hightower - I Wonder Why (Hayley)

Syl Johnson - All I need is someone like you - Grapevine

The Delfonics - You'll Get Enough (Philly Groove)

The Hamptons - No No No Not My Girl - (6T's Anniversary)

The Magicians / Wee Willie Walker - Faith & Understanding / I Don't Want To Take A Chance (6T's Anniversary)

The Marvelettes - Finders keepers / Kim Weston - Do like I do (UK TMG)

The Marvelettes - Reaching for something I can't have (UK TMG)

The Metros - What's Wrong With Your Love / She's Just Not Everybody's Girl (Soul King)

The Servicemen - I'll Stop Loving You (Grapevine)

Thunderbird Sound - In heaven and on earth (Hayley)

Timmy Willis - Such Misery (Joe Boy)

Tony Drake - Hey World / Living In The Footsteps Of Another Man (It's Soul Time)

Wally Cox / Six Teasers - This Man Wants You / Doing The 100 (6T's Anniversary)

List updated - Soul King 45s / Gwen Owen / Tony Drake 45s added + Bobby Reed & Little Bobby Parker UK Shrine 45s / Delfonics added also. think we're there with the 6T's Anniversary / Kent / 45s. Additions / flaws / rants welcome

Rich

Added: Hollygrove 45s / Unissued material from Goldmine/Connoiseurs / Anita Robins / Bobby Byrd / Marvellettes /

Missing / Contentious 45s???

List Updated.

Rich

Was Jr Walkers " I Ain't Going Nowhere" a previously unreleased track ? Remember him doing this at Blackpool Mecca

Sorry Don - this was taken from the LP "Peace and understanding" on Soul 738 (1973).

Released on a 45 due to spins from the LP at all nighters

I can recall it played at Wigan and it was from the LP, the 45 wasn't released until later.

Which actually made it almost a new release at the time!

Oh, Eddie - the Marvelettes "Reaching for something I can't have" was also an LP track, it came from the "Sophisticated soul" LP on Tamla 286 (1968)

The 45 you mentioned was a re-issue of an earlier UK release (TMG 701) from 1969)

Still trying to think of something else to add to the list...

Sorry Don - this was taken from the LP "Peace and understanding" on Soul 738 (1973).

Released on a 45 due to spins from the LP at all nighters

I can recall it played at Wigan and it was from the LP, the 45 wasn't released until later.

Which actually made it almost a new release at the time!

Oh, Eddie - the Marvelettes "Reaching for something I can't have" was also an LP track, it came from the "Sophisticated soul" LP on Tamla 286 (1968)

The 45 you mentioned was a re-issue of an earlier UK release (TMG 701) from 1969)

Still trying to think of something else to add to the list...

Thanks John , didn't realise Marvelettes was on that album .Best ,Eddie

A similar thing happened with the Barons Of Soul single.

Paul

Shouldn't we include that one too?

Benji - Its got f*** all to do with the 'soul police' - The thread was started as a previously unissued material on 45 as I thought it was generally the preferred medium. Quite happy for folk to fight it out re. Garland Green et al - I personally wasn't aware it had come out on an LP but there is an argument that as a piece of unissued material available on 45 for the first time it's inclusion may be warranted. I'm laying no laws down here as such and am happy to be corrected and as it goes material on 12" / LP etc is more than welcome as I've stated in another thread the music is there to be highlighted and can often get lost. You want to kick off a 12"/LP thread Benji?

I've already changed the title of the thread to suit one person - you want me to change it again?

Brett - Of course how can we forget Anita Robins!! Will update the list later on. Thanks for the input (and everyone else)

Rich

Rich,

maybe I should have added a smilie to "soul police" as it was meant to light-hearted. I know that general consent was not to include 12". Somehow it's not that easy to be ironic or sarcastic in a different language...

Previously Unreleased tracks on 45

Al Williams - Try Them (Grapevine)

Aleshure Shower The World (Phoenix)

Anita robbins / Chuck Brooks - I Can't Stand It / Last Minute Plans (Grapevine)

Barbara & the Browns - I'm Gonna Start A War (Kent)

Bobby Byrd - Thank you for your love (Contempo)

Bobby Cutchins - Leaving (Soul Junction)

Bobby Reed - Caledonia Brown / Baby Dont You Leave (UK Shrine/Goldmine)

Carla Thomas - I'll Never Stop Loving You (Kent)

Carla Thomas - I'll Never Stop Loving You / Prophets Band - Peaches Baby (6T's Anniversary)

Carla Thomas - I'll Never Stop Loving You (Horaces)

Charles Brimmer - Show & Tell (Hayley)

Chubby Checker / Teardrops - You Can't Lose Something / Here Comes Loneliness (6T's Anniversary)

Chuck Jackson / Superb Strings - What's With This Loneliness / Surf n Soul (6T's Anniversary)

Danny Cobus / Chico & Buddy - The Two Of Us / You Won't Miss The Water (Kent)

David Sea - Believe In Me - (Shotgun)

Dean Courtney / Sharon Scott - Today Is My Day / Putting My Heart Under Lock & key (6T's Anniversary)

Debra Johnson / Diplomats - To Get Love You've Got To Give Love / I Really Love You (6T's Anniversary)

Detroit Magnificents - Is This A Woman's Way? (Grapevine)

Diane Lewis JJ Barnes - Keep a hold on me / Sweet honey baby (Goldmine)

Devonnes / Mayberry Movement - Doin' The Gittin' Up / I See Him Making Love to You (6T's Anniversary)

Doni Burdick - Candle / Watcha gonna Do (Soul King)

Dottie Pearson - A House Made Of Love / Bring It Over Baby (Grapevine)

Eddie Holman - Hold Me In Your Arms (Grapevine)Eddie Holman - Where I'm not wanted c/w Larks - You Need Love (Goldmine)

Eddie Ray - Wait A Minute (Prix/Numero Group)

Edwin Starr - You got to be foolin (Connioseurs)

Edwin Starr - Has it happened to you yet (Connioseurs)

Emanual Laskey - (Put your Name) In the Hall of Fame (Hayley)

Eric & The Vikings - Hurting - (Kool Kat)

Family Underground - All We Have Is A Song / There Must Be An Answer (Hollygrove)

Family Underground - Nowhere To Love / Our loves Gone By (Hollygrove)

Gigi & The Charmaines / The Mysteries - I Don't Want To Lose Him / Too Late Now (6T's Anniversary)

Gloria Shannon - Tears Are Gifts From Heaven (Realside)

Gwen Owen - Lies / Rain (Mel-ady)

Hoagy Lands - True Love At Last (UK American USA 13)

Hy-Tones / George Jackson - Good News / All In My Mind (6T's Anniversary)

Inspirations - Gotta Find A New Love (Benn-x / Goldmine?)

J J Barnes - Love At First Sight (Hayley)

Jeffree - Love Loan (Expansion)

Jerry Williams - When You Move, You Lose (Grapevine)

Jimmy Ruffin - Leading Lady - Take My Hand (Soul Junction)

Steve Mancha - One in a million (Hayley)

Jimmy Ruffin - We Finally Found Out / Long Version (Soul Junction)

Joey Kingfish - I won't hurt you anymore (Connioseurs)

John Edwards - Tin Man (Kent)

John Edwards / Loleatta Holloway - Ain't That Good Enough / This Man's Arms (6T's Anniversary)

Johnnie Taylor / Judy Clay - Please Let Me In / Since You Came Along (6T's Anniversary)

Johnny Moore - Yesterday, Today And Tomorrow (Grapevine)

Johnny Moore - You Fixed It / Your Way Is My Way (Soul Junction)

Just Brothers - Honey (Hayley)

Lorraine Chandler / Metros - You Only Live Twice / Mr Imagination (6T's Anniversary)

Luther Ingram / Chet Ivey - Baby Don't You Weep / Mata Hari (Kent)

L.V Johnson - Recipe For Love (Goldmine)

Little Ann - Who Are You Trying to Fool (Kent)

Little Bobby Parker - I Won't Believe It (Till I See It) - (UK Shrine/Goldmine)

Loretta Kendrick - My Feelings Keep getting In The Way (Hayley)

Melba Moore - The Magic Touch / Chuck Jackson Ensemble - Little By Little - (6T's Anniversary)

Melba Moore - Magic Touch (Kent)

Melba Moore / Tommy Hunt - Magic Touch (Horaces)

Melvin Davis / Steve Mancha - I need my baby c/w Pat Lewis - Hit and run (Goldmine)

Mill Evans / Millionaires - Ain't You Glad / I'm The One Who Loves You (6T's Anniversary)

Milton Bennett / The Hesitations - What's One More Lie / Go Away (6T's Anniversary)

Mixed Emotions - Am I Imposing - ROCK-WAY

MM & The Peanuts / The Charmaines - Can't Say No / I Idolize You (6T's Anniversary)

Nelson Saunders - It's Real / I Hold The Key (Soul King)

Other Brothers / Bettye Swann - Nobody But Me / The Dance Is Over - (Kent)

Pat Lewis - Genie (Connoiseurs)

Peggy Woods / ZZ Band - Love Is Gonna Get You / You Just Cheat & Lie (6T's Anniversary)

Platters - Not My Girl - 6T's Anniversary 3

Ron Henderson & Choice Of Colour - Nobody Will Ever Take Your Love From Me / Hooked On Your Love (Soul Junction)

Ronnie Walker - Trouble (Impact)

Royal Five - Nobody Else / Don't Stop (P&L)

Rozetta Johnson - You Better Keep What You Got (Shotgun)

Sam Dees - Fool Of The Year (Shotgun)

Sammy Campbell - Hold On Till Tomorrow / For The Love Of You (Hollygrove)

Sammy Campbell - Suga Would Ya / Crazy Bout You (Hollygrove)

San Franciscan TKO's / Peggy Gaines - Make Up Your Mind / When The Boy That You Love (6T's Anniversary)

September Jones - Give Me All Of Your Love (Body & Soul)

Sharon Soul / Barbara Mercer - Girl Crazy / Happiness is here (Connioseurs)

Sons Of Robin Stone - I'm Ready To Give Up My Love / It Only Happens In The Movies

Springers - Who You Gonna Turn To (Wale)

Stella & Gazelles - I'm Not In Love With You Anymore / Topics - Nicer Girl

Sy Hightower - I Wonder Why (Hayley)

Syl Johnson - All I need is someone like you - Grapevine

The Delfonics - You'll Get Enough (Philly Groove)

The Hamptons - No No No Not My Girl - (6T's Anniversary)

The Magicians / Wee Willie Walker - Faith & Understanding / I Don't Want To Take A Chance (6T's Anniversary)

The Marvelettes - Finders keepers / Kim Weston - Do like I do (UK TMG)

The Marvelettes - Reaching for something I can't have (UK TMG)

The Metros - What's Wrong With Your Love / She's Just Not Everybody's Girl (Soul King)

The Servicemen - I'll Stop Loving You (Grapevine)

Thunderbird Sound - In heaven and on earth (Hayley)

Timmy Willis - Such Misery (Joe Boy)

Tony Drake - Hey World / Living In The Footsteps Of Another Man (It's Soul Time)

Wally Cox / Six Teasers - This Man Wants You / Doing The 100 (6T's Anniversary)

List updated - Soul King 45s / Gwen Owen / Tony Drake 45s added + Bobby Reed & Little Bobby Parker UK Shrine 45s / Delfonics added also. think we're there with the 6T's Anniversary / Kent / 45s. Additions / flaws / rants welcome

Rich

Added: Hollygrove 45s / Unissued material from Goldmine/Connoiseurs / Anita Robins / Bobby Byrd / Marvellettes /

Missing / Contentious 45s???

List Updated.

Rich

Hi Rich , the Gwen Owens isn't actually by her , it's an unissued side by Purple Mist , which was supposed to garner a release on Sussex .Best ,Eddie

How about those great 70's sides that Rod Dearlove released in the 80's / 90's : Jo Armstead - Got my taste of the honey c/w Won't you join my caravan [ Preacher rose ] and Flowers - We can make it happen ? Best ,Eddie

Just came to think about another one:

Side Effect - Run Run Run - SOUL BROTHER

Shouldn't we include that one too?

Yes, I suppose it should be on the list, Steve ...subject to official acceptance by the Executive Committee and their highly-paid consultants.

On a light-hearted note, when this fascinating thread is exhausted we should start a thread about previously unissued tracks which should have remained unissued!

That will be fun.

.....................and i'm damn glad it's not me administering the list!

Rich you have all my sympathies mate BUT you're doing an excellent job!

Just a few more thoughts?..............i believe the list is of previously unreleased tracks that have since been legally issued on 45? This would mean Garland Green's 'Come thru me' would qualify even tho' it did get an initial release on a Kent LP BUT at the time it was unreleased from years before? (The LP is of course the 'original' release BUT that's not the point of this thread!)

G C Cameron on Flamingo shouldn't qualify cos it was a new release at the time wasn't it? (simply being a UK only 45 doesn't qualify it does it?).

Same should go for Bobby McClure on Island, Bobby Byrd on Contempo etc?

Percy Stone shouldn't count as it was released.

Barons should as it was acetate only.

Marvelettes LP track shouldn't count?

Duane Williams on Soul Junction is a new release isn't it and shouldn't qualify?

Side Effect came out on an LP at the time and therefore shouldn't count?

...........and finally (to pi** Sean off )..............Aleshure..........(relatively) new release at the time that had already been out on CD? (going for my hard hat!)

What's the jury think?

What a list though!

The next thread of unreleased stuff from LP/12" & CD's should be interesting

So many questions??? I can see Rich's headache coming on from here.............

Cheers

Steve

Edited September 29, 200817 yr by Steve Plumb

How about those great 70's sides that Rod Dearlove released in the 80's / 90's : Jo Armstead - Got my taste of the honey c/w Won't you join my caravan [ Preacher rose ] and Flowers - We can make it happen ? Best ,Eddie

Yes and Yes Eddie!

Think a lot of folks forget Flowers came out in 1989/1990!!!!!!!! Still goes for big bucks tho!

JA from same sessions as 'I got the vibes'

Cheers

Steve

Side Effect came out on an LP at the time and therefore shouldn't count?

What's the jury think?

As far as I know "Run Run Run" remained unissued until Soul Brother issued it on CD/LP and 7" a bunch of years ago. Or am I wrong?

List updated...

Eddie Holman - Hold Me In Your Arms (Grapevine)

Carla Thomas - I'll Never Stop Loving You (Kent)

Al Williams - Try Them (Grapevine)

Rozetta Johnson - You Better Keep What You Got (Shotgun)

Jimmy Ruffin - We Finally Found Out (Soul Junction)

Dottie Pearson - A House Made Of Love / Bring It Over Baby (Grapevine)

Sam Dees - Fool Of The Year (Shotgun)

Gloria Shannon - Tears Are Gifts From Heaven (Realside)

Detroit Magnificents - Is This A Woman's Way? (Grapevine)

Bobby Cutchins - Leaving (Soul Junction)

The Servicemen - I'll Stop Loving You (Grapevine)

Johnnie Taylor - Please Let Me In (Kent) ?

Jerry Williams - When You Move, You Lose (Grapevine)

Timmy Willis - Such Misery (Joe Boy)

Johnny Moore - Yesterday, Today And Tomorrow (Grapevine)

Primers - How Does It Grab You (Kent)

Contours - Baby Hit And Run (Tamla Motown)

As far as I know "Run Run Run" remained unissued until Soul Brother issued it on CD/LP and 7" a bunch of years ago. Or am I wrong?

I have the LP on Gaslight (or summat like that, can't remember off top of me head?) from 1973

It is dead rare BUT it did come out.......although it may be demo only which still wouldn't make it eligible imho ?

Cheers

Steve

I have the LP on Gaslight (or summat like that, can't remember off top of me head?) from 1973

It is dead rare BUT it did come out.......although it may be demo only which still wouldn't make it eligible imho ?

Wow! You're right, I just checked it up.

"Effective" on GAS Records from 1973.

I had no idea about that!

Please ignore my suggestion above.

Wow! You're right, I just checked it up.

"Effective" on GAS Records from 1973.

I had no idea about that!

Please ignore my suggestion above.

That's the one

Cheers

Steve

What about Earl Van Dykes All Day All Night (Tamla Motown) from 2005, with Supremes Honey Bee on the other side. Also about the same time wasn't Chris Clarks version of Do I Love You released on 7"?

What about Earl Van Dykes All Day All Night (Tamla Motown) from 2005, with Supremes Honey Bee on the other side. Also about the same time wasn't Chris Clarks version of Do I Love You released on 7"?

Sounds like a yes, yes & yes to me?

What about Earl Van Dykes All Day All Night (Tamla Motown) from 2005, with Supremes Honey Bee on the other side. Also about the same time wasn't Chris Clarks version of Do I Love You released on 7"?

I've just read the five pages of posts and thought nobody's mentioned Chris Clark and Do i love you and then the above appeared.Well done you bastard:0

I've been looking for a track called Tell Me Baby by bettye Swann but can't see it listed in any of the price guides so assume it's either unissued or an LP track. My mate thinks it came out on Kent, can anyone confirm?

Thanks

Crumb

.....................and i'm damn glad it's not me administering the list!

Rich you have all my sympathies mate BUT you're doing an excellent job!

Just a few more thoughts?..............i believe the list is of previously unreleased tracks that have since been legally issued on 45? This would mean Garland Green's 'Come thru me' would qualify even tho' it did get an initial release on a Kent LP BUT at the time it was unreleased from years before? (The LP is of course the 'original' release BUT that's not the point of this thread!)

G C Cameron on Flamingo shouldn't qualify cos it was a new release at the time wasn't it? (simply being a UK only 45 doesn't qualify it does it?).

Same should go for Bobby McClure on Island, Bobby Byrd on Contempo etc?

Percy Stone shouldn't count as it was released.

Barons should as it was acetate only.

Marvelettes LP track shouldn't count?

Duane Williams on Soul Junction is a new release isn't it and shouldn't qualify?

Side Effect came out on an LP at the time and therefore shouldn't count?

...........and finally (to pi** Sean off )..............Aleshure..........(relatively) new release at the time that had already been out on CD? (going for my hard hat!)

What's the jury think?

What a list though!

The next thread of unreleased stuff from LP/12" & CD's should be interesting

So many questions??? I can see Rich's headache coming on from here.............

Cheers

Steve

Yep agree with above Steve = most of the above aren't on the list (Wasn't sure about a couple). Some great new suggestions and will update tomorrow due to having a very long day working. Agree on the Garland Green tho. Not a headache at all more back ache from todays merriment of a days hard graft!

Thanks to evreryone so far!

Rich

Rich , don't think the Barbara / browns - Gonna start a war is valid , as it got released on both Japanese and UK Chess , on the album " Southern Soul stock vol 1 " .Released firstly by the Japs in the mid 80's and then briefly on UK Chess via Charly a few years later .Best ,Eddie

How about Alfreda Brockington - Spilt milk , which got released on a Goldsoul 45 ? Best,Eddie

I've been looking for a track called Tell Me Baby by bettye Swann but can't see it listed in any of the price guides so assume it's either unissued or an LP track. My mate thinks it came out on Kent, can anyone confirm?

Thanks

Crumb

Dunno that one, we put out a new version of The Dance Is Over on Kent Select.

Yep. Established that the single came out 3 months before the album appeared, so the Contours should deffo be on the list.

Ian D

Thought we'd worked this one out last week , still seems a bit of confusion

Don't also forget the Contours "Baby hit and run" - this was definitely played from the Music for Pleasure album, long before the 45 was released.

Anyone have definitive release dates?

Cheers

Mick Holdsworth

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Earlier in the thread I mentioned Frank Wilson - does it or does it not qualify?

Earlier in the thread I mentioned Frank Wilson - does it or does it not qualify?

No imho Mr Epic!

No imho Mr Epic!

In that case - sell me a US issue!!!

In that case - sell me a US issue!!!

The more recent UK issue could qualify as it's a different mix to the others .Best,Eddie

In that case - sell me a US issue!!!

.......well I know a guy with a demo will that do?........a Mr K Burrell esq.

Plays the guitar apparently

........another lad called T.Brown has one too, think he was in some skiffle group or summat? (well that's Joe Brown but that's the best i could come up with)

Don't worry i'm going for me coat!

.......well I know a guy with a demo will that do?........a Mr K Burrell esq.

Plays the guitar apparently

........another lad called T.Brown has one too, think he was in some skiffle group or summat? (well that's Joe Brown but that's the best i could come up with)

Don't worry i'm going for me coat!

Is a demo classed as an issue ? If you get my meaning !!

Is a demo classed as an issue ? If you get my meaning !!

well yes i think in the context of this thread............imho!

do we all agree?

......if we don't this will open a reet big bag of worms

well yes i think in the context of this thread............imho!

do we all agree?

......if we don't this will open a reet big bag of worms

Just to muddy the waters even further - if a record is only on a demo it can not possibly have had a legal issue - it is for demonstation purposes only & not for re-sale - ergo never had a legal issue - "oh bugger I've just opened that can of worms Mr.P.

Just to muddy the waters even further - if a record is only on a demo it can not possibly have had a legal issue - it is for demonstation purposes only & not for re-sale - ergo never had a legal issue - "oh bugger I've just opened that can of worms Mr.P.

You bugger