Andy Rix Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 In light of the thread on the anticipated auction of Frank Wilson I dug out this old tape So is this the first play ? ... did Soul Sam get there first or did Russ beat him to it Recorded at Notts Palais on Sunday 27 Nov 1977 ... it was almost certainlythe first time for Sam, he certainly didn't have this the weekend before He says ....."The next one's a new stomper and one of the best things I've heard for a long time, this is 'Indeed I do', Otis Clark, and wait til you hear this one .... unbelievable" Interesting to note that it's slightly faster than the Soul 45, as the Eddie Foster bootlegs were Andy Frank_Wilson___Do_I_love_you___27_Nov_1977.mp3Frank_Wilson___Do_I_love_you___27_Nov_1977.mp3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Maria O Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) He says ....."The next one's a new stomper and one of the best things I've heard for a long time, this is 'Indeed I do', Otis Clark, and wait til you hear this one .... unbelievable" Frank_Wilson___Do_I_love_you___27_Nov_1977.mp3 Just played this to Sam to see his reaction and he could NOT understand why he played Frank Wilson after announcing Otis Clark He definitely owned a real one, but there were so many records, so many coverup names - priceless! ...and he's a man who lives for today and tomorrow, not for yesterday m Edited February 8, 2009 by Maria O Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 SO IS IT THE THIRD COPY LOL IM CONFUSED AS HIS NAME HASNT COME UP IN THE OTHER THREAD ? OR HAS SAM GOT A COUNT BOX IN HIS HOUSE LOL Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 I recall looking at it at the time. It was a 'dctRECORDERS' acetate ... he never called it Otis Clark again, the next time he said 'Eddie Foster' Andy PS ... I also have a tape of Arthur's DJ debut at Cleethorpes ... 27 August 1978 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Maria O Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 SO IS IT THE THIRD COPY LOL IM CONFUSED AS HIS NAME HASNT COME UP IN THE OTHER THREAD ? OR HAS SAM GOT A COUNT BOX IN HIS HOUSE LOL I've not been reading most of this thread, as record-owning history isn't as close to my foreiign heart So, not sure what's been written. But Sam thinks his copy went to Johnathan, then Kev Roberts, then Tim Brown. I'm sure someone will post up, if they remember other/s involved between. m Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Leigh J Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Interesting to note that it's slightly faster than the Soul 45, as the Eddie Foster bootlegs were Andy The Eddie Foster boots taken from a tape player plugged into the decks that were slightly sped up , Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Andy, do you think Sam might have received a dub in advance of the 'Eddie Fosters pressings" so as to generate some demand and interest in the track? ATB Andy K I have no doubt that Simon supplied at least Sam & Russ with acetates .. it's self evident, well to me anyway .... did others get the same exclusivity ? .. i'm not sure Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Awake 502 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 PS ... I also have a tape of Arthur's DJ debut at Cleethorpes ... 27 August 1978 And what was the first record he played ? I hope my memory of the day is wrong Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 And what was the first record he played ? I hope my memory of the day is wrong The Burning Bush (Mercury) ... followed by Ral Donner - Don't Let It Lip Away ... Joey Heatherton ..... Danny Monday .. Herbert Hunter ....highlight of the spot was Billy Woods Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Awake 502 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 And what was the first record he played ? I hope my memory of the day is wrong The Burning Bush (Mercury) ... followed by Ral Donner - Don't Let It Lip Away ... Joey Heatherton ..... Danny Monday .. Herbert Hunter ....highlight of the spot was Billy Woods Andy Sounds like a great spot for 1978, would fit in well with the other class dj's at THE dayer venue of the time.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rich B Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 I have no doubt that Simon supplied at least Sam & Russ with acetates .. it's self evident, well to me anyway .... did others get the same exclusivity ? .. i'm not sure Andy To my recollection quite a few people were supplied with acetates of upcoming issues. Knowing the boys in Selectadisc quite well at the time, I was frequently offered actual bootlegs ahead of time, for a consideration of course! As those who know will already know I didn't take them up on their "kind" offer, but it was handy knowing what was due out. Best, RB Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 The Burning Bush (Mercury) ... followed by Ral Donner - Don't Let It Lip Away ... Joey Heatherton ..... Danny Monday .. Herbert Hunter ....highlight of the spot was Billy Woods Andy This is a bizarre spot because Ral Donner was played in 78 not 77 everywhere else - Danny Monday and Billy Woods had both been bootlegged in 1976 - Herbert Hunter was bootlegged in early 77 - Burning Bush was a 78 spin - only Joey Heatherton was a 77 discovery and that was pressed in April 77 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Dewhirst Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 This is a bizarre spot because Ral Donner was played in 78 not 77 everywhere else - Danny Monday and Billy Woods had both been bootlegged in 1976 - Herbert Hunter was bootlegged in early 77 - Burning Bush was a 78 spin - only Joey Heatherton was a 77 discovery and that was pressed in April 77 I could have sworn I heard Ginger play Burning Bush @ Cleethorpes in '76............. I'm pretty sure Russ was first on Eddie Foster/Frank Wilson though...... Ian D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I could have sworn I heard Ginger play Burning Bush @ Cleethorpes in '76............. I'm pretty sure Russ was first on Eddie Foster/Frank Wilson though...... Ian D Russ was definitely the first I heard play it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 I may have confused things here The Soul Sam spot was 27 Nov 77 and was the first time I heard Frank Wilson - we are trying to establish if this was the first play. Does anybody have evidence that Russ played it before this date The Arthur Cleethorpes debut tape I referred to is from 27 August 1978 ... in essence he mainly played established tunes .. I only mentioned it as Maria had posted and thought she might be interested My apologies for confusing things Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 ...The Soul Sam spot was 27 Nov 77 and was the first time I heard Frank Wilson - we are trying to establish if this was the first play. ... I am not sure wether playing a tune off a carvers acetate given from somebody in the process of and responsible for getting the bootlegs of said tune on the market would justify as the first "official play". Maybe it does ? However, if any interest at all I would like to know who and at which venue did play an original 45 for the first time. Marc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I am not sure wether playing a tune off a carvers acetate given from somebody in the process of and responsible for getting the bootlegs of said tune on the market would justify as the first "official play". Maybe it does ? However, if any interest at all I would like to know who and at which venue did play an original 45 for the first time. Marc If it was the first play, it was the first play, regardless of what it was played off. Back in those days, one guy would have the original and the rest would have emidiscs cut until they found one. Pretty sure the first ever play was by Russ at Wigan, I may be wrong, but one thing I do know is that the record had a very very short lifespan before it was pressed as Eddie Foster and never became a massive sound - it was big alright, but not like it is now. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ruppy Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Yes,Andy i was at jonathons house the night sam sold it to Jonathon ,just before we were heading of to St.Ives allniighter Jonathon went on trade to kev for wait for it £200 worth of funk albums. Mick H Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Yes,Andy i was at jonathons house the night sam sold it to Jonathon ,just before we were heading of to St.Ives allniighter Jonathon went on trade to kev for wait for it £200 worth of funk albums. Mick H thanks Mick that's really interesting ....up until yesterday when Maria mentioned it, and now confirmed by you, I'm not aware that any of us knew Sam once owned it. This obviously changes the 'family tree' of ownership ... cheers andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest inspirations001 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I recall looking at it at the time. It was a 'dctRECORDERS' acetate ... he never called it Otis Clark again, the next time he said 'Eddie Foster' Andy PS ... I also have a tape of Arthur's DJ debut at Cleethorpes ... 27 August 1978 didn't he kick off with tim tam!! after sam finished with gerri thomas? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Interesting that Sam had it so early on - not surprising as he has always been one for new tunes. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rob Wigley Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Anybody got a tape of Russ's spot from Wigan 4th Anniversary ? I recon thats the first time I heard it (twice at least) But the mind does play tricks ! ha R & K Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest ruppy Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 thanks Mick that's really interesting ....up until yesterday when Maria mentioned it, and now confirmed by you, I'm not aware that any of us knew Sam once owned it. This obviously changes the 'family tree' of ownership ... cheers andy Don,t think there,s much sam did not own back in the mid 70,s. he proberley doe,s not remember haif the stuff he had,i also remember him selling jonathon his Qwen Owens just say your wanted & needed for £100 a kings ranson in 77 mick Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Arthur Fenn Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 didn't he kick off with tim tam!! after sam finished with gerri thomas? Nah! that was the 1st night i did the fleet in p/bro after following Nev, funny the things you NEVER forget eh! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I first heard FW at Wigan via Russ , didn't know Sam had it .It was pressed [ booted ]at the same time as I'm Gone -Eddie Parker and Second Hand Love - Lynn Varnado .Best ,Eddie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Raistrick Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Yes,Andy i was at jonathons house the night sam sold it to Jonathon ,just before we were heading of to St.Ives allniighter Jonathon went on trade to kev for wait for it £200 worth of funk albums. Mick H That's true - Jon had offered it to me a week or so before on one of our selling trips to Wigan at £250.00 but l turned it down after some consideration due to it's condition! Back then just another 45..... Dave Raistrick. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rich B Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 That's true - Jon had offered it to me a week or so before on one of our selling trips to Wigan at £250.00 but l turned it down after some consideration due to it's condition! Back then just another 45..... Dave Raistrick. Still just another 45 Dave, just a bit rarer than most - you wouldn't have anything else in that condition in your collection back then, and I don't think anyone back then thought it would remain as rare as it has. If I had known then....etc etc. I confess I thought he was crazy buying FW and Gwen Owens! His album and 12's collection are both still lovely (in my opinion). Best, RB Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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