Last night while at the pub on a marathon sesh, got chatting a very good (non-scene) mate who made the following observation based on our differing musical tastes:

" Look Hammy, you can say all you want about your Butch's, Guy Hennigans, Keb Darge etc etc but at the end of the day none are as cool as Jimmy Page, for example. The northern scene has a absence of genuinely charismatic idols. "

Discuss.

Hammy

Pete Lawson

Edited May 19, 200519 yr by Paul r

Last night while at the pub on a marathon sesh, got chatting a very good (non-scene) mate who made the following observation based on our differing musical tastes:

" Look Hammy, you can say all you want about your Butch's, Guy Hennigans, Keb Darge etc etc but at the end of the day none are as cool as Jimmy Page, for example. The northern scene has a absence of genuinely charismatic idols. "

Discuss.

Hammy

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Who's Jimmy Page?

Who's Jimmy Page?

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no serious who is jimmy page

heroes and idols are for kids, surely hammy?

but to go along with the post, i've never seen djs as heroes, personally, even when i was a kid. or collectors for that matter.

i've respected the likes of keb, hennigan, butch, ady croasdell, and many others but they've never been 'heroes'.

musically, the big stars are often unknown...it would be pretty hard for your long-haired, pachouli-oil wearing grebo mate to idolise jimmy page if he didn't know who he was

but i'd say curtis mayfield is about as close as it gets for me...just been listening to 'this is my country' very loud, what a genius

heroes and idols are for kids, surely hammy?

but to go along with the post, i've never seen djs as heroes, personally, even when i was a kid. or collectors for that matter.

i've respected the likes of keb, hennigan, butch, ady croasdell, and many others but they've never been 'heroes'.

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well said Dan

Looked up to many, but never placed them on a pedestal!

i've respected the likes of keb, hennigan, butch, ady croasdell, and many others but they've never been 'heroes'.

AC - Hero? Well I don't know but as the promoter of the longest running all-nighter of all time, he ain't far shy IMO

Edited May 19, 200519 yr by Ian Sims

AC - Hero?

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He'd look great in Superman outfit for the Fancy Dress at Cleethorpes

I believe that one of the very most appealling things about the rare soul scene is the absence of people who would set themselves up as 'heroes'. In the main the pre-eminent deejays and collectors are remarkably ordinary folk: just part of something bigger and members of the scene who tend to have a few better records than the majority of other punters.

The great thing about the scene is that everyone is a punter to some extent, and there is no great kudos attached to being close to a particular disc jockey, promoter or whatever. Contrast this with other scenes where the posing element is basically the main part of the endeavour and I'm sure you'll all agree that the balance on our scene is just about right.

The legends are the records, and the heroes are the people who made those records, not the people who play them to other people who share their passion.

absolutely gareth

The legends are the records, and the heroes are the people who made those records, not the people who play them to other people who share their passion.

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Succinct and spot on Gareth

Getting back to the original post - of course we have our heroes, they just aren't always household names like Pop/Rock stars.

How come Gene Chandler can't be my hero for example;his career outshines that of Jimmy Page IMVFHO.

Plenty of villians on the scene...we need a few heroes to get the balance right...

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I was lucky enough to chat to Curtis M a couple of times in the 80ts........i couldnt get over how modest he was .......the word "genius" is often used .......in his case thats about right........a couple of snippets from convos with him........he told us how much he loved his Corvette that featured on the front cover of the "Ridin High" LP...he also admired my Abner DJ of "senorita i love you"......."thats a real collectors item"......and as ive mentioned before......he sang the Impressions Coca Cola advert to us...........just a Giant of Soul Music.......

I was lucky enough to chat to Curtis M a couple of times in the 80ts........i couldnt get over how modest he was .......the word "genius" is often used .......in his case thats about right........a couple of snippets from convos with him........he told us how much he loved his Corvette that featured on the front cover of the "Ridin High" LP...he also admired my Abner DJ of "senorita i love you"......."thats a real collectors item"......and as ive mentioned before......he sang the Impressions Coca Cola advert to us...........just a Giant of Soul Music.......

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that would have been a great meeting jim

why does curtis mayfield have to fall off a stage and david essex not?

CM and blonde telecaster.....live Hinckley AllNighter June 83....

L to R.......Nick Marshall.......CM......me......chinwagging about vinyl.......happy days

i live about two miles from hinckley

i didn't go to that nighter unfortunately but it's a slightly bizarre thought that curtis mayfield has been within a few hundred yards of my house!

Can I just say I wasn't agreeing with my friend about Jimmy Page - was interesting to get the other point of view. That's all.

Hammy

sorry hammy if you thought i was being snide in any way

wasn't...sure you're not a leather-wearing jimmy page fan and also that you don't give a monkeys about heroes on the scene!

sorry hammy if you thought i was being snide in any way

wasn't...sure you're not a leather-wearing jimmy page fan and also that you don't give a monkeys about heroes on the scene!

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Nah I didn't mate

As for Pagey ... well he always seemed happy on stage !

Hammy

In the style of Alan Partridge: 'Can I just shock you? I like Led Zep.'

Was in a pub in Wolverhampton a while ago and somebody shouts out, 'Oi...Planty! How yer goo-in'?' It was the boy himself at the bar ordering a couple of pints of lager. Very unassuming bloke.

In the style of Alan Partridge: 'Can I just shock you? I like Led Zep.'

Was in a pub in Wolverhampton a while ago and somebody shouts out, 'Oi...Planty! How yer goo-in'?' It was the boy himself at the bar ordering a couple of pints of lager. Very unassuming bloke.

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My mate dragged me along to see Zep in 71 and to my astonishment this old soul boy actually liked them but for all that they done the band were into Motown/Stax and blues, still got their first two albums

My mate dragged me along to see Zep in 71   and to my astonishment this old soul boy actually liked them but for all that they done the band were into Motown/Stax and blues, still got their first two albums  

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Heard tell that the Yardbirds turned into Led Zep and that someone commented "your new group's gonna go down like a Led Zepplin" and thus the reformed group had their new name

Pete Lawson

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Why? Don't get me wrong - never speak ill of dearly departed and he was a mate but seriously .... a hero!!

My almost ex wife used to think Colin Curtis so cool.

We're treading different roads shortly.

I believe that one of the very most appealling things about the rare soul scene is the absence of people who would set themselves up as 'heroes'. In the main the pre-eminent deejays and collectors are remarkably ordinary folk: just part of something bigger and members of the scene who tend to have a few better records than the majority of other punters.

The great thing about the scene is that everyone is a punter to some extent, and there is no great kudos attached to being close to a particular disc jockey, promoter or whatever. Contrast this with other scenes where the posing element is basically the main part of the endeavour and I'm sure you'll all agree that the balance on our scene is just about right.

The legends are the records, and the heroes are the people who made those records, not the people who play them to other people who share their passion.

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This is spot on honest and true, normal blokes with a few good records, it's not the DJ's who hype themselves it's often the scene and situation that plays it's part. Kudos is created by others and not directly by the DJ or collector and i agree the true heroes are the people who made the records in the first place.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

This is spot on honest and true, normal blokes with a few good records, it's not the DJ's who hype themselves it's often the scene and situation that plays it's part. Kudos is created by others and not directly by the DJ or collector and i agree the true heroes are the people who made the records in the first place.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

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Spot on Gareth and Mark, although I have to say that many of the dj's that came through in the 80's, in particular the early to mid 80's made this happen, As an easily influenced youth I think Searling was a hero to me at end of Casino, he was to many and acted like he should be as did a number of other dj's. However when the next generation came along they were to a man one of the boys and many still are, why I have always felt rotherham/stafford beyond you felt a real part of it, unlike previously. Exactly how it should be.

However that is getting away from the other point, most important, and the people we should worship, if worship is your thing, is the artists. I have a huge many heroes thanks to music, maybe a bit strong calling them heroes but the Marvin Gayes, Arethas, Bobby Womacks etc are my heros for their talent but also their ability to deliver despite many struggles, appreciate it is not exaclty making peace in the world, so maybe that says more about me than them!!

Cheers

Jock

Why?  Don't get me wrong - never speak ill of dearly departed and he was a mate but seriously .... a hero!!

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Hero is the wrong word actually but he was someone who was a good laugh to be around. I knew him from around 73 and last time I saw him was 84. I think character is a far better word.

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I need a hero

I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night

I need a hero

I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night

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Thank you Pete-I keep singing that now. (Complete with authentic husky tones) I am getting on my own nerves.

My hero is Kev Roberts.

He is so quiet and unassuming you would hardly know that to most of us on the scene he is a god

I think this has been well summed up by Gareth, Mark and others. I must say though I find it amusing to see some DJ's walking into venues empty handed whilst someone else carries their record boxes . Are they heroes to the people carrying their boxes or is this a way to signify don't charge these guys there with me'

Just a thought.

My hero is Kev Roberts.

He is so quiet and unassuming you would hardly know that to most of us on the scene he is a god  

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" Look Hammy, you can say all you want about your Butch's, Guy Hennigans, Keb Darge etc etc but at the end of the day none are as cool as Jimmy Page, for example. The northern scene has a absence of genuinely charismatic idols. "

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Oh come on.

A well lubricated Roger Banks and Dave Rimmer doing their dynamic double-decking duo bit makes Led Zeppelin look like Roger Whittaker on a comedown.

Well if you talking of heros - lets not forget Randy Cozens then!

Well if you talking of heros - lets not forget Randy Cozens then! 

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Well if you talking of heros - lets not forget Randy Cozens then! 

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Yes Most Definently Randy Cozens Northern Soul Icon....

JB

AC - Hero? Well I don't know but as the promoter of the longest running all-nighter of all time, he ain't far shy IMO

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That's right Ian,cool, and the 1st to start weekender's cool, sir kev,Andy,Chris there all cool to keep the scene alive didn't realise how many cools I put in that sentance. Billy cool

Who's Jimmy Page?

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I read the whole of this thread, intrigued to know who this Jimmy Page was...Maybe he's somone on the scene I hadn't heard of....

Got to the end and no answer.....So, for those, like me who didn't know who he was, he's the lead singer of Led Zepplin...

The information may come in handy at a pub quiz>

Hero is the wrong word actually but he was someone who was a good laugh to be around.  I knew him from around 73 and last time I saw him was 84.  I think character is a far better word.

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Very much so a character - watched him on the screens at Stafford Revival recently. Last time I saw him was at Ormiskirk Cemetery - never seen him so quiet (again, nowt naughty he'd appreciate that )

Yes Most Definently Randy Cozens Northern Soul Icon....

JB

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One in a Million

So, for those, like me who didn't know who he was, he's the lead singer of Led Zepplin...

The information may come in handy at a pub quiz>

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only if you don't want to win the quiz!

I read the whole of this thread, intrigued to know who this Jimmy Page was...Maybe he's somone on the scene I hadn't heard of....

Got to the end and no answer.....So, for those, like me who didn't know who he was, he's the lead singer of Led Zepplin...

The information may come in handy at a pub quiz>

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No he's the lead guitarist of Led Zepplin - Robert Plant was the singer. Page played on hundreds of sessions for various artists in the 60's including Barry St John - Everything I Touch Turns To Tears.

I read the whole of this thread, intrigued to know who this Jimmy Page was...Maybe he's somone on the scene I hadn't heard of....

Got to the end and no answer.....So, for those, like me who didn't know who he was, he's the lead singer of Led Zepplin...

The information may come in handy at a pub quiz>

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Actually the lead guitarist, Bob Plant was the lead singer

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Actually the lead guitarist, Bob Plant was the lead singer 

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.....And now I wish I'd read through to the end before I answered...Soz

No he's the lead guitarist of Led Zepplin - Robert Plant was the singer.  Page played on hundreds of sessions for various artists in the 60's including Barry St John - Everything I Touch Turns To Tears.

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Played lead on the Kinks - You Really Got Me and The Who - I Can't Explain.

Went a bit nuts in the 70s - read about when he decided to purchase an infamous mansion nr Loch ness, previously owned by Aleister Crowley, for various black magic hijinks.

Hammy

Played lead on the Kinks - You Really Got Me and The Who - I Can't Explain.

Went a bit nuts in the 70s - read about when he decided to purchase an infamous  mansion nr Loch ness, previously owned by Aleister Crowley, for various black magic hijinks. 

Hammy

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Dave Davies is supposed to have sued or threatened to sue him for claiming he played on You Really Got Me.

Played lead on the Kinks - You Really Got Me and The Who - I Can't Explain.

Went a bit nuts in the 70s - read about when he decided to purchase an infamous  mansion nr Loch ness, previously owned by Aleister Crowley, for various black magic hijinks. 

Hammy

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Just after he bought the house, Plant's little boy drowned in a swimming pool and they blamed Page's interest in the occult

Played lead on the Kinks - You Really Got Me and The Who - I Can't Explain.

Hammy

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You sure? Can't explain wasn't exactly a hard riff to play and what was Pete Townshend doing?

I know two hero's today - Arsene Wenger & Jens Lehman

You sure? Can't explain wasn't exactly a hard riff to play and what was Pete Townshend doing?

I know two hero's today - Arsene Wenger & Jens Lehman    

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Sorry but that was a disgraceful way to decide a cup final and Arsenal deserved nothing after that display...they were awful. And I was supporting them as well.

You sure? Can't explain wasn't exactly a hard riff to play and what was Pete Townshend doing?

I know two hero's today - Arsene Wenger & Jens Lehman    

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Not being glib here but surely ?

lead guitar - solos

rhythm guitar - riffs

Listen to it again - there's a solo in it that's pure Page.

Hammy