Hooker1951

It cost 37.5 pence to watch the Tamla Motown revue at the Wigan Ritz in 1965 we were already into the music because we had what were termed at the time soul and R n B clubs not NS although Much of the music would reappear 10 years later and be named NS Keep On Remembering ML

Some of these tracks are fantastic, The Marv Johnson track is 100 per cent NS, Unbeilievable that these tracks were never released. ML

Some of the tunes mentioned on this thread Iwould term crossover but many I wouldn't I suppose everybody has there own interpretation of crossover mine is the productions that have a jazzy cabaret feel about them.I suppose you could say a more sanitised version of soul. it's not for me but neither is Country n Western ML

The year 1965 when soul clubs bobbed up every where, playing Club soul leading on directly to what became the term NS, and the finding of records which were not MAINSTREEM but we're perfect for the atmosphere, Dancing in a dark hot sweaty club. ML

Great version by George, very underrated British Soul Artist who when he chose that genre of music was very good indeed. Mick L

There are thousands maybe tens of thousands of sounds what sound like Motown,You could fill a book with them on all kinds of Labels and recorded in different cities all over the USA.The Motown Sound in the 1960's was a great innovative genre of music but there were other great recordings from other labels and studios running parallel with Motown producing great sounds.As Regards The Invictus label and it's sounds it was the end of the 1960's and I always though was an extension of Motown carrying on similar sounds into the early 1970's using some of the same staff that Motown used in those great years, but there are subtle differences what NS would notice in all the soundalikes what the man of the street wouldn't notice. keep on trucking ML

They both got him double trouble! Send for the Soul Police. ML

Two bands called Tempests out the same time mid to late 60's less than 300 miles apart.one was fronted by Billy Storm at one point. A lot of British bands in the 1960's copied American bands names sometimes unknowingly, sometimes not. A hell of a lot of bands or groups obviously changed there line up,there music evolved over the years sometimes to a degree and not always for the better that they sounded nothing like the original sounds. You have to remember that they were all chasing success and if they found sounds what pleased the masses they made money. Some of the stuff they made later might not sound to us NS fans but it was bread and butter to them keep on Trucking ML

I've gone dizzy reading these threads I'm definitely sticking to 45's I might buy a flying saucer to carry them round though you've got to move with times a little bit. Keep on Pressing on ML

There,s no pretend soul or should I say pretentious soul music been played at Stateside in the three years it's been running even if some of the recordings are not to your personal tastes because myself and Andy Mcabe would never let things slip that far,. Although we cover the full Soul Spectrum we never take our eyes of the target which is Real soul music,. Real soul people that is not a complicated equasion. People have a choice what they like and visit those venues accordingly. It's a fact with any type of music that it gets watered down, it happened with Rock n Roll,R n B,Rave,. To suit for those who it's much to strong, for they like to play at it,. Where as hard core fans love it being the bollocks all the time,. Hence the threads on here, and that's why we're different and proud of it.The difference is we are Old Souls been here before,. They are new souls with a lot of living to do that's not an insult to them it's just the way it is. Best Wishes Keep on Pressing on Mick L

A nice peice of NS history well documented, and put together well by Chalky,. Just a little oversight Droylsden was promoted by Mark Robinson and myself 1990- 1992 when I was asked by Mark, Dennis and Pete could they take over, at the time due to promoting regular Sat allniters and Friday,s not fitting in to my work schedule I gave it to them on condition that they carried on running it using a familiar format that Mark and myself had been using. Well Done Chalky excellent read. keep on pressing on Mick L

Ive said it before and I'll say it again there were a good number of NS type venues long before the Casino and the Torch, the Casino itself was playing the term NS at least 3 years before RW and the allniters in 73 I myself started to go on a regular basis to allnighters in Wigan from 1965,66,67 weekly! Every Saturday in fact at the Room at the Top in Wigan market square. Geno Washington and his Ram Jam Band were one of the resident live bands there. This club was running parallel at the time to the Wheel in Manchester, there was at the time lots of venues in the NW playing what was termed NS and the dancing was just the same as it was 7 to 8 years later,Sorry if you weren't old enough to be there but it happened I seen it. Always Remember just because you didn't see it, it doesn't mean it never happened. Keep on Keeping on ML .

It can be both a Soul and Dance scene if the DJ,s balanced it accordingly, sadly a lot of them can't do it. There are Dance records with soul oozing from them just as there are Soul records which make you want to Dance, thousands of them.Come,on if the dance floors empty all the time change what your doing, adapt to what's in front of you in that particular venue it's definitely not rocket science,people want and expect to dance as well as listen,That,s why they turn out in the first place.You can't always get it right all of the time but you should be able to stop it going wrong all of the time. Keep on Dancing Keep on Listening ML

Towanda Barnes still reigns with this tune. If it was the other way around Towanda would have stole the tune from Lucinda 99 per cent of the time Original is always the best,There are a few exceptions but not many. Those who come first usually win the race Peace and Tranquility ML

Could Carol n Gerri be possibly Carol King and Gerri Goffin stranger things have happened Keep on doing it ML

Just let me know where your plot is only to put flowers on ect,nothing sinister, Keep on collecting ML

NO THEY CANT MIKE ML

THE HARDEST CLUBS TO PLAY AT ARE THE ONES WITH NO GOOD CHEMISTS SIMPLE AS THAT. DONT FORGET YOUR PRESCRIPTIONS. ML

A DEAF AN DUMB CLUB YOU JUST CAN,T SEE TO INTERACT WITH THE AUDIENCE. KEEP ON DJ,ING ML

Send for Russ W Casino drug squad to make sure no illegal substances are being distributed in the Woolpack this could be a bigger threat than foot and mouth down at the farm. ML keep on Farming.

BRADFORD QUEENS HALL was great ALLNITER and STEVE CROFT had a great vision at the time and set his stall out accordingly with his choice of top DJ ,s upstairs and downstairs the music was always very good it's ashame that you only remember how good things were there when it was gone God Bless ML

HELP! Get me out of here.No offence but has anybody spotted Santa,s Grotto yet. Keep On Keeping on. ML

ANDY AND MYSELF AT STATESIDE PROMOTIONS WILL CARY ON RUNNING DARK AND SWEATY UNDERGROUND TYPE PROMOTIONS WHERE THE REAL SOUL FANS CAN FORGET THE SANITISED WORLD OF, NO OFFENCE EVERYDAY PEOPLE.PROPER SOULMUSIC DEMANDS THESE KIND OF VENUES TO COMPLETE THE FULL PACKAGE.IF YOUR VENUE IS FILLED WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE IT CREATES GOOD ENERGIES WHICH IN ITSELF GETS RID OF THE PRETENDERS ALONG WITH A TIGHT DOOR POLICY. I WOULDNT HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY IF YOU DO YOUR JUST PLAYING AT IT FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS,MONEY EGO,S ECT. KEEP ON PRESSING ON ML

HI MARYAM FROM THE REPLIES TO YOUR THREAD YOU MIGHT THINK PEOPLE ARE BEING NEGATIVE WITH YOUR VENTURE.BELEIVE ME THEY HAVE GOOD REASON TO BE CYNICAL.MANY PROMOTERS HAVE HAD THEIR FINGERS BURNED WITH THE MEDIA,ECT OVER THE LAST 45 years OR SO. YEARS AGO IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS THE HOTBED FOR AMPHETIMANIES WHICH HELPED FUEL IT, ROLL ONTHE YEARS PAST THE ECSTASY YEARS AND ALL DRUGS KNOWN TO MAN YEARS IT BECOMES A SANITISED NOVELTY SCENE WHEREIT BECOMES KNOWN FOR PEOPLE WEARING STRANGE CLOTHES AND DOING STRANGE DANCES.ITS NONE OF THOSE THINGS NS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LEFT OF CENTRE TO KEEP IT UNDERGROUND OTHERWISE IT BECOMES A PARODY AND CARCITURE OF ITSELF ANYTHING MAINSTREEM BECOMES WATERED DOWN WITH NO ENERGY TO KEEP IT ALIVE.THATS WHY THE REPLIES ON HERE SOUND CYNICAL.THESE NS PEOPLE BELEIVE IT OR NOT ARE GIVING YOU GOOD ADVICE.THE PROBLEM YOU MIGHT HAVE IS THE OWNERS OF THE CLUB WILL NOT SEE IT THE WAY WE DO THEY SEE FREE ADVERTISING,BUMS ON SEATS AND £ SIGNS. IT MIGHT WORK SHORTIME BUT WILL LOSE ITS LEGS PRETTY QUICKLY ESPECIALLY FOR THE GENUINE SOULIES. IVE BEEN A PROMOTER FOR MANY YEARS ON NS AND THE RAVE SCENE AND THE MUSIC AND THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE THAT MUSIC MUST COME FIRST. FOR EXAMPLE ME AND MY PARTNER PUT A ALLNITER ON A FEW MONTHS AGO IN A TOWN WHICH HADNT HAD ONE FOR OVER 30 years AS IT WAS WE GOT A CRACKING GOOD SOUL CROWD IN BUT WE TURNED CLOSE ON 100 PRETENDERS AWAY AT THE DOOR TO KEEP IT UNDERGROUND AND SPECIAL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT MATTER. THE BIG QUESTION HERE IS WOULD THE OWNERS OF YOUR VENUE DO THAT IF NOT MARYAM YOUR FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE TO MAKE IT A GENUINE NS CLUB SORRY IF THIS SOUNDS NEGATIVE BUT ITS JUST THE WAY IT IS KEEP ON TRUCKING GOD BLESS ML