Dean Rudland

Hi Morgan, when I was working for Fania, I compiled a pretty comprehensive 45 discography. There are a few gaps pre-66, but I feel they might be due to their peculiar early numbering system. I think Uptite ran to 24 records and they are all listed on discogs. It's worth noting that #1 in that numbering series appeared on a Fania label.

Managers, artist representatives etc. However even if there was no one, it wouldn't excuse these people getting away with this, as they are ripping of artists who do get paid royalties, songwriters who are doing the same, and stopping labels that do it properly from releasing these records

Alan was going to say that it might actually have been you I heard playing it back then, but I'm glad I wasn't mistaken as to the timescale.

I was first played this by Andy Hynd in the mid-80s, so I think this was being played on the mod scene back then. T

I saw those and found them odd. From where I was sitting - up near the organ - he sounded great. However for me seeing Steve and Booker on stage together and properly interacting made my day. That's the best live Green Onions I've seen with the two of them on stage, in the 20 years or so in which I've seen them on stage.

Do you have a picture?

How much do you want to pay for it?

Georgie's cover of Point Of No Return was based on Louis Jordan's. He also recorded a Jack Ashford composition 'For Love The Petals Fall', which he heard Jack perform at soundcheck for the first Motown Tour of the UK. He asked Jack about it and is as far as we can work out the only person to have recorded it.

The second single was released January 1975, Wounded Woman was 1974. So David the album was recorded by then. Still no paperwork at Stax to suggest that anything but singles deals were done for David's productions.

Just looking at David Johnson's comments makes me even more convinced this didn't come out. At the point the album was recorded (late 1974) Stax was starting to find itself in trouble, it wasn't close to bankruptcy. That happened January 1976. The label obviously chose not to continue with the artist, long before the album was finished. To confirm the two singles continue to be claimed by Fantasy's successor Concord. I think it is telling that there is absolutely no paperwork at Stax for this, and that paperwork exists for contracts/ label copy for virtually all releases, including the proposed final Bar Kays single 'Holy Ghost' in December 1975 (it is unlikely that this was released). Also someone mentioned that at least one of the single tracks was an alt version/ mix, can anyone confirm that this is the case for any of the others. Finally Monarch for the Chico Hamilton LP is hardly surprising as it was part of an attempt to set up West Coast offices, headed by Chico Hamilton's son. But that album has a 1973 P date so is over two year before Stax went bust.

Just adding my two penny worth here. None of my colleagues who worked on the Stax material have seen any proof of its existence within the company's paperwork and neither has it ever been mentioned to have existed by any of the southern soul or Stax experts that we have ever talked to. (Also I see no evidence that it was known about in the 70s by anyone other than Ian) The idea that it was pressed on a green label seems unlikely as Truth was an orange label for all the releases that I have seen on LP - although cheap red labels exist of some of the 45s, and possibly a yellow for one Shirley Brown single. Also the label was virtually bankrupt at the time, scraping together just enough money to make 45s with the hope that they would become hits. So the idea that they would divert funds to make an album is unlikely. That said....the label was totally messed up at the end, so it is only extremely unlikely that it didn't make release, not entirely impossible. But as Sean has done the only thing likely to shake a mythical copy out of the trees, I will assume it doesn't exist unless it suddenly appears in picture.

That's bloody great. I'd love to know what that is, if you find out Dave.

The CD booklet has more info than the small bit of blurb on the website, even explains what Bill Vera thought happened to her. But really it is bit of a mystery. The music on the other hand is so good that the CD is one of Ace's better sellers.

To be fair Ian that is in the compilation chart, making it about the 5th most popular album in the country. But something like 40,000 copies in ten days is pretty special.

But Mik the flaw in your argument is that not everyone who is buying these records is DJing them. We've just sold about a 1000 Alice Clark's, there surely aren't a 1000 DJs playing them - i doubt there are a 1000 old soul DJs in the world. Just as you insist the only way to discover things that no-one else plays is to play original vinyl, some people just like buying their music on vinyl be it a 7inch or 12 inch.

No, Roulette - which TK was part of - was bought by EMI UK, so counts as UK repertoire.

Ian you are absolutely right. It's why all of these TK issues licensed from Henry and his son have been dubs from discs. As I understand it there are some early titles which he retained ownership of, but most are bootlegs, if licensed from the original owner. The reason that EMI never chased Henry was because he was operating in the US and they only had UK rights - Warners had the US rights. Since they ended up with EMI UK, Warner now have this for the world.

OK that would make sense, but in the case 'We Hurt Too' appeared on Funkadelic's America Eats Its Young.

As far as I can remember that isn't a full list of Clinton Jobete compositions. I'll Bet You is missing for one. Any others?

I know that in the 90s when I was working at Acid Jazz, our accountant warned us that their was an HMRC unit - based in Watford - that kept an eye on the music world. The looked at adverts in the papers, noted down names and would investigate if they thought people were avoiding their tax. Whether they still exist, I don't know.

Thanks Shaun. Have emailed them.

Anyone got a copy they'd like to sell? Demo or issue.

Also when she sang the duet on Private Number with William Bell at the Ace 25th Anniversary, she put back promo on Texas' Greatest Hits album so that he could join her on Jools Holland a couple of weeks later. As to Craig he really does love soul and funk, and the guys who help him select the music really know their stuff. He's the most popular show on Radio Six, and the option doesn't seem to be between Craig and someone else, but Craig and no-one.

With Ady on this one. Astounding record.