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Apart from FW, did Russ actually discover any real 'soul' records. Was Yvonne Baker down to him?

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I would have thought that most were down to Soussan.

However, I have been wrong before.

Tony

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I wasn't aware that RW had "discovered" any - he may have been the first to play some (the aforementioned FW for example) but most came from other sources such as Simon Soussan...

Would that be about right?

Mick

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Wasn't Yvonne Baker first played at the Mecca? I might be wrong on that but it's a niggling thought. Maybe the Mecca played it later I can't recall.

Rather than "discoveries" which is always a misnomer since most people at the time discovered these records in their letter box or in a bin at Soul Bowl or a market stall in Bradford, maybe "broken by" would be a better expression to use (and I don't mean broken as in Pete SMith's Carstairs).

Whilst I am a big critic of Russ and the Wigan bandwagon he has promoted he did play some good records such as Willie Hutch "Love games", Larry Hale "Once" and Lee Fields "Take me back" I believe was his too. But it's all so hazy now someone else may lay claim to beating him to it.....

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'Broke by' is certainly a better description than 'discovered'...but apart from all the pop/tailor made dross, what were there any exclsuive soul plays...LOVE and can't do without you come to mind from '78 onwards, but did he have any big records back in the earlier days.

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Wasn't Yvonne Baker a Richard Searling spin at Wigan ?

Russ's "discoveries" you can list on the rear of a postage stamp.........ph34r.gif

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Wasn't Yvonne Baker first played at the Mecca? I might be wrong on that but it's a niggling thought. Maybe the Mecca played it later I can't recall.

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says in russs book and im sure document earlier that levine swore yvonne baker didnt exist - because he hadnt got one! ,,,

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Wasn't Yvonne Baker a Richard Searling spin at Wigan ?

Russ's "discoveries" you can list on the rear of a postage stamp.........ph34r.gif

think they all had one as it used to get played half a dozen times a night at one stagemellow.gif

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so if russ s discoveries were soussans,,,,were all searlings 78-81 stuff all john andersons!!!!!!!!

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Apart from FW, did Russ actually discover any real 'soul' records. Was Yvonne Baker down to him?

Well there was always this one.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmHTyLBIZ1g

oops, sorry you said "soul" records :hatsoff2:

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Well there was always this one.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmHTyLBIZ1g

oops, sorry you said "soul" records :thumbup:

The problem with this thread , i.e. the debating and confirming as to what WC sounds that Dustbin Stanley " discovered " , any acknowledgemnt of them will be overshadowed by the feelings that people have for him , and the stigma of being associated with Simon Soussan .

Malc Burton

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Well there was always this one.....

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cmHTyLBIZ1g

oops, sorry you said "soul" records whistling.gif

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Seeds, Outsiders, Pallbearers, Dawn...he created a sound all his own..mind you Minshull was far from blameworthy...for a bloke of his pedigree, he played some unblieveable dross..Tim Tam FFS!

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Apart from FW, did Russ actually discover any real 'soul' records. Was Yvonne Baker down to him?

Didnt russ discover the leak in the gents at the second wigan allnighter, and soul sam picked up FW before anyone,Billy.

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Apart from FW, did Russ actually discover any real 'soul' records. Was Yvonne Baker down to him?

Being a bit of a Casino fan, I created a spreadsheet to list all my 'live' tapes and made some 'best of DJ CDs from the tapes I had using the tunes most played by that particular DJ from 77-81

Here's a few Records that appeared to be played solely or mainly by him (Please no oh that was also played by X at Venue Y coments, its just meant to be representative:-)

21st Creation - Tailgate

Danny Wagner - I lost A True Love

Dee Dee Barnes - Do What You Wanna Do

Dutch Robinson - Can't Get Along Without You

Helen Shapiro - Stop

LJ Johnson - You Keep My Temperature Rising

Marty Lewis - I Can't Do Without You

Mary Wilson - You're The Light That Guides My Way

Master Four - Love From The Far East

Patti Labelle - Loving Rules

Peggy Scott - You Got It All

Pete Warner - I Just Want To Spend My Life

Posse - Evil

Renee Pryor - BOradway

Sergio Mendes - Love Music

Four J's - Love My Love

Bees - Where Do I Go

Camotions - Motown

Checkmates - Kissin Her and Crying For You

The Intros - Stop, Look and Listen

The Moments - Hey Boy

Pallbearers - Music With Soul

Rainbow People - Living In A Dream World

Teen Turbans - Need To Be Loved

Tommy Bush - I Don't Like It

Toni Lamar - Just In The Nick Of Time

Turley Richards - I Feel Alright

DIanne Ducanne - Better Late Than Never

Seeds - Pushing To Hard

Roger K - Give Me The Love

Lockettes - Boy Next Door

Allan Reuss - Zorba

Bobs Band - Lockes Theme

Paul Peek - Moving Uptown

Ruth Lewis - That Special Way

Outsiders - Why Don't They Leave Us ALone / Backwards Upside

Some good and bad tunes in there but compared to Dickies record over the same period a lot less tracks and a lot less quality:-)

Cheers

Steve

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theres not many bad ones in there either steve,, + he played sammy lee,,gloria & tiaras,, strides,,, and loads of others,,,

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The problem with this thread , i.e. the debating and confirming as to what WC sounds that Dustbin Stanley " discovered " , any acknowledgemnt of them will be overshadowed by the feelings that people have for him , and the stigma of being associated with Simon Soussan .

Malc Burton

Hey Malc I am trying to be objective in my post :thumbsup: ......and yes Richard was getting most of big stuff from John A in the late 70s.

That's the point about "discoveries". I know stuff did turn up in shops and stalls and some stuff was discovered that way but most of it came from dealers, Soussan, Anderson, McCutcheon etc etc.

BTW Frank Bloody Wilson also came from Soussan..... So this obsession with DJ's 'discovering' records is a bit of a misnomer. Levine can of course lay claim to "discovering" many records because he was going round junk shops in the USA and bringing back unknown records at a time when most of the rest of us got no closer to the USA than watching "The Andy Williams Show".

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theres not many bad ones in there either steve,, + he played sammy lee,,gloria & tiaras,, strides,,, and loads of others,,,

agree mark, some belters in there

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Here's a few Records that appeared to be played solely or mainly by him

21st Creation - Tailgate

Danny Wagner - I lost A True Love

Dee Dee Barnes - Do What You Wanna Do

Dutch Robinson - Can't Get Along Without You

Helen Shapiro - Stop

LJ Johnson - You Keep My Temperature Rising

Marty Lewis - I Can't Do Without You

Mary Wilson - You're The Light That Guides My Way

Master Four - Love From The Far East

Patti Labelle - Loving Rules

Peggy Scott - You Got It All

Pete Warner - I Just Want To Spend My Life

Posse - Evil

Renee Pryor - BOradway

Sergio Mendes - Love Music

Four J's - Love My Love

Bees - Where Do I Go

Camotions - Motown

Checkmates - Kissin Her and Crying For You

The Intros - Stop, Look and Listen

The Moments - Hey Boy

Pallbearers - Music With Soul

Rainbow People - Living In A Dream World

Teen Turbans - Need To Be Loved

Tommy Bush - I Don't Like It

Toni Lamar - Just In The Nick Of Time

Turley Richards - I Feel Alright

DIanne Ducanne - Better Late Than Never

Seeds - Pushing To Hard

Roger K - Give Me The Love

Lockettes - Boy Next Door

Allan Reuss - Zorba

Bobs Band - Lockes Theme

Paul Peek - Moving Uptown

Ruth Lewis - That Special Way

Outsiders - Why Don't They Leave Us ALone / Backwards Upside

Some quality stuff on that list. DD Barnes for Eg was one of the best tracks played at Wigan IMHO

Also loved the Pallbearers - proper 100mph dancer in it's day.

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not forgettin marty lewis

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Always associate Johnny Hampton "Not My Girl" with Russ and the Casino

Cheers Paul

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Hey Malc I am trying to be objective in my post :thumbsup: ......and yes Richard was getting most of big stuff from John A in the late 70s.

That's the point about "discoveries". I know stuff did turn up in shops and stalls and some stuff was discovered that way but most of it came from dealers, Soussan, Anderson, McCutcheon etc etc.

BTW Frank Bloody Wilson also came from Soussan..... So this obsession with DJ's 'discovering' records is a bit of a misnomer. Levine can of course lay claim to "discovering" many records because he was going round junk shops in the USA and bringing back unknown records at a time when most of the rest of us got no closer to the USA than watching "The Andy Williams Show".

Frank Wilson......... I'm bloody glad someone cleared that up couldn't work that out ..... FV now that would be Frankie Valli The Night & I'm Gonna Change, were they RW discoveries?

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Being a bit of a Casino fan, I created a spreadsheet to list all my 'live' tapes and made some 'best of DJ CDs from the tapes I had using the tunes most played by that particular DJ from 77-81

Here's a few Records that appeared to be played solely or mainly by him (Please no oh that was also played by X at Venue Y coments, its just meant to be representative:-)

21st Creation - Tailgate

Danny Wagner - I lost A True Love

Dee Dee Barnes - Do What You Wanna Do

Dutch Robinson - Can't Get Along Without You

Helen Shapiro - Stop

LJ Johnson - You Keep My Temperature Rising

Marty Lewis - I Can't Do Without You

Mary Wilson - You're The Light That Guides My Way

Master Four - Love From The Far East

Patti Labelle - Loving Rules

Peggy Scott - You Got It All

Pete Warner - I Just Want To Spend My Life

Posse - Evil

Renee Pryor - BOradway

Sergio Mendes - Love Music

Four J's - Love My Love

Bees - Where Do I Go

Camotions - Motown

Checkmates - Kissin Her and Crying For You

The Intros - Stop, Look and Listen

The Moments - Hey Boy

Pallbearers - Music With Soul

Rainbow People - Living In A Dream World

Teen Turbans - Need To Be Loved

Tommy Bush - I Don't Like It

Toni Lamar - Just In The Nick Of Time

Turley Richards - I Feel Alright

DIanne Ducanne - Better Late Than Never

Seeds - Pushing To Hard

Roger K - Give Me The Love

Lockettes - Boy Next Door

Allan Reuss - Zorba

Bobs Band - Lockes Theme

Paul Peek - Moving Uptown

Ruth Lewis - That Special Way

Outsiders - Why Don't They Leave Us ALone / Backwards Upside

Some good and bad tunes in there but compared to Dickies record over the same period a lot less tracks and a lot less quality:-)

Cheers

Steve

Easy to pick out the good, Tommy Bush, Dee Dee Barnes, Marty Lewis etc but far too much pop crap in there, Rainbow People, Seeds, Camotions and Diane Ducanne F.F.S. it was embarrassing at the time and sounds worse now...

Was glad when they re-opened the Mecca, leave there at 1am and get to Wigan just as Richard was starting..... whistling.gif

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the camotions is probably the worst from that lot - awful tune...lj johnson is a great record and is still very hard on a 45!

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broadway is poor as well as a 70s tune but diane ducane is getting in demand again....

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RW Discoveries?

The man couldn't discover his own arse with both hands.

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broadway is poor as well as a 70s tune but diane ducane is getting in demand again....

"Broadway" was very popular at the time, I've got a proper studio acetate :shhh:

but Dianne Ducane at at rare soul all-nighter is just wrong in so many ways... sorry mate..

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it cud ave been worse joe - he could have discovered some shit Rnb!!!!

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"Broadway" was very popular at the time, I've got a proper studio acetate :shhh:

but Dianne Ducane at at rare soul all-nighter is just wrong in so many ways... sorry mate..

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i know ,,it cud ave been worse Darren friday robinson cud ave taken off as well,, (zoo) ,,,allnight band is increasing in value too...on same label...anyway u cant blame me it was almost over when i got to Wigan!!

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it cud ave been worse joe - he could have discovered some shit Rnb!!!!

Trouble is Mark, that would have involved having to play records that featured Black American artists...

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i know ,,it cud ave been worse Darren friday robinson cud ave taken off as well,, (zoo) ,,,allnight band is increasing in value too...on same label...anyway u cant blame me it was almost over when i got to Wigan!!

Don't mind the Allnight band, but at Wigan ?? Russ just took the easy way out playing cheap pop records towards the end, Richard, Pat and Gary R were the only ones worth listening to....

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Trouble is Mark, that would have involved having to play records that featured Black American artists...

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whats the difference white pop soul or black rock and roll (the worse side of rnb i may add!)

sorry Russ is my hero in terms of most of the stuff he played at wigan and ive got to stick up for him

regards mark

champion of the underdog!!

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whats the difference white pop soul or black rock and roll (the worse side of rnb i may add!)

sorry Russ is my hero in terms of most of the stuff he played at wigan and ive got to stick up for him

regards mark

champion of the underdog!!

Sorry mate but not wishing to state the obvious....... If you had been going there for years you would have a different opinion...

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i honestly dont thnk i would darren,,

ive always loved uptempo soul as dancer in the whole the 30 years,, if id ave gone to wigan earlier i would av done what i do even today,,,have a look at the records then on the floor for the rest of the night!!!

also i av to add i love all the wigan sounds by all the djs (some are awful ) but they represent an era that i find fascinating and still do,.,.

call me weird but thats me...wiganer1

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i honestly dont thnk i would darren,,

ive always loved uptempo soul as dancer in the whole the 30 years,, if id ave gone to wigan earlier i would av done what i do even today,,,have a look at the records then on the floor for the rest of the night!!!

also i av to add i love all the wigan sounds by all the djs (some are awful ) but they represent an era that i find fascinating and still do,.,.

call me weird but thats me...wiganer1

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Hey weird, maybe there is no convincing you, but Russ was the warm up act for the quality that was to follow... Camotions v Cecil Washington....... no contest..

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i know the camotions is rubbish,,,but checkmates,,dee dee barnes,, hey boy , master four , leon thomas are not rubbish,, i know his standard was not of searlings but they were still wigan spins none the less ..good or bad,,+ we still keep talking about them lol..

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i know the camotions is rubbish,,,but checkmates,,dee dee barnes,, hey boy , master four , leon thomas are not rubbish,, i know his standard was not of searlings but they were still wigan spins none the less ..good or bad,,+ we still keep talking about them lol..

Hi Mark,

The guy helped turn an 'Underground Soul scene' into a 'Pop phenomenon' and many Soul Music fans find that hard to appreciate.

Like getting the fox to look after the chickens, he was never a 'Soul Music' lover, by his own admission.

No great sin in that in itself, but the detrimental affect that had on the 'Soul' scene in the North took years to recover.

Fortunately, some of those who were attracted to the scene, ironically because of the 'publicity' generated at Wigan, stayed around long enough to experience and enjoy some real Soul Music.

:)

Sean

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Don't think he's worried as he invented Northern Soul lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

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Hi Mark,

No great sin in that in itself, but the detrimental affect that had on the 'Soul' scene in the North took years to recover.

:)

Sean

That's an interesting point. Some would say that the whole WC thing did untold damage to the soul scene in this country with the split between oldies and newies, 60s v 70s, the complete neglect of things below 120 bpm and things like Muriel Day. Not for this thread but I have heard it said....when compared to others scenes such as Europe....

DD Barnes was a good Russ one, but Mark you have to admit for a guy that had a two hour set every week for eight years at a club, the list is a bit on the "thin" side even if it does contain some goodies. Does Russ really see himself as an "underdog"? :hatsoff2:

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I think the telling point is that Winstanley rarely was invited to DJ anywhere other than the Casino, apart from the 'Wigan Casino Roadshow', having said that he had a vested interest in 'keeping Wigan as the 'No.1 venue'

On a side issue, does anyone know anything about one of his plays 'we're gonna party' by Detroit Sound. I've always assumed that it was some sort of tailor made thing.

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Sorry mate but not wishing to state the obvious....... If you had been going there for years you would have a different opinion...

Sorry, I did go for years and Russ's first spot was as good as any you'd hear all night, especially the period mid 76 to mid 77, after that until I stopped going late 78, he was ok not brilliant, but to slag him off like all of you lot are doing just proves you don't have a clue what you're talking about or have very selective memory, try listening to that tape I posted up from february 77 for a fantastic Russ spot. Want to hear Richard playing My hearts Symphony, I can post it up for you. (Russ was also first to play Judy Street by the way).

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Being a bit of a Casino fan, I created a spreadsheet to list all my 'live' tapes and made some 'best of DJ CDs from the tapes I had using the tunes most played by that particular DJ from 77-81

Here's a few Records that appeared to be played solely or mainly by him (Please no oh that was also played by X at Venue Y coments, its just meant to be representative:-)

21st Creation - Tailgate

Danny Wagner - I lost A True Love

Dee Dee Barnes - Do What You Wanna Do

Dutch Robinson - Can't Get Along Without You

Helen Shapiro - Stop

LJ Johnson - You Keep My Temperature Rising

Marty Lewis - I Can't Do Without You

Mary Wilson - You're The Light That Guides My Way

Master Four - Love From The Far East

Patti Labelle - Loving Rules

Peggy Scott - You Got It All

Pete Warner - I Just Want To Spend My Life

Posse - Evil

Renee Pryor - BOradway

Sergio Mendes - Love Music

Four J's - Love My Love

Bees - Where Do I Go

Camotions - Motown

Checkmates - Kissin Her and Crying For You

The Intros - Stop, Look and Listen

The Moments - Hey Boy

Pallbearers - Music With Soul

Rainbow People - Living In A Dream World

Teen Turbans - Need To Be Loved

Tommy Bush - I Don't Like It

Toni Lamar - Just In The Nick Of Time

Turley Richards - I Feel Alright

DIanne Ducanne - Better Late Than Never

Seeds - Pushing To Hard

Roger K - Give Me The Love

Lockettes - Boy Next Door

Allan Reuss - Zorba

Bobs Band - Lockes Theme

Paul Peek - Moving Uptown

Ruth Lewis - That Special Way

Outsiders - Why Don't They Leave Us ALone / Backwards Upside

Some good and bad tunes in there but compared to Dickies record over the same period a lot less tracks and a lot less quality:-)

Cheers

Steve

Hi Steve

He may have played 'Love Music' but Richard really did champion this every where he played in the country at the time.

I'm sorry to say that no end of rehabilitation will ever change his standing with me. The way he treated Richard and others towards the end of the Casino was shocking. Ego over any real content.

Dave

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Hi Steve

He may have played 'Love Music' but Richard really did champion this every where he played in the country at the time.

I'm sorry to say that no end of rehabilitation will ever change his standing with me. The way he treated Richard and others towards the end of the Casino was shocking. Ego over any real content.

Dave

Dave, I swear to you, I went practically evey week in 1977 and nobody except Russ played Love Music, I must have half a dozen tapes with him playing it.

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more Russ exclusives:

sammy lee - what goes around

servicemen - sweet magic

I'll list them as they come into my head...

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If you weren't a dancer at wigan you could be pretty damn critical of Russ's delivery.

As a dancer - took the rough with the smooth, but always reckoned Russ was more bothered about a heaving floor rather than the up yer ass politics of who had what etc.

Spun many a fine 'dance tune' over the years - Johnny Dynamite - The Night The Angels Cried stands out for me.

Paul

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If you weren't a dancer at wigan you could be pretty damn critical of Russ's delivery.

As a dancer - took the rough with the smooth, but always reckoned Russ was more bothered about a heaving floor rather than the up yer ass politics of who had what etc.

Spun many a fine 'dance tune' over the years - Johnny Dynamite - The Night The Angels Cried stands out for me.

Paul

Hi Paul

Sadly Russ was one of the main instigators of much of the politics that went one at the casino, so he was very bothered about that side of it.

Pete as always I bow to your knowledge.

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Hi Paul

Sadly Russ was one of the main instigators of much of the politics that went one at the casino, so he was very bothered about that side of it.

Pete as always I bow to your knowledge.

No don't bow to anything, but I honestly never heard anyone else play it - at Wigan.

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No don't bow to anything, but I honestly never heard anyone else play it - at Wigan.

Love music was a Russ sound.......like you heard him spin it every time in that period.

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:D Ok, Ok already, two of you ganging up on me. I was wrong on that. But............ Edited by Dave Thorley

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:D Ok, Ok already, two of you ganging up on me. I was wrong on that. But............

three dave :laugh:

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