Just to satisfy my curiosity - how many of these are there? I know its hard, I know it goes for BIG bucks, I saw the one that went for auction this year/last...but what we talking, and is there an exact number - can they be traced like other records where you know XYZ has one.

 

 

good luck Dennis, you keep plugging away mate. 

Edited November 19, 201410 yr by modernsoulsucks

Xyz......isn't it a ZTSP. You live and learn.

Then again it looks more like ARP.

Edited November 19, 201410 yr by Prophonics 2029

I've heard that there are 7 know original copies but good point Gaz mate,

There's 1 in Australia (sadly, not mine)

I've heard that there are 7 know original copies but good point Gaz mate,

a lot more than that there's at least 5 among the Kings Hall dj's

a lot more than that there's at least 5 among the Kings Hall dj's

 

... and at least 2 more in the north-east, plus the £8k auction copy that went to Japan.

 

Probably far too many (in excess of 20?) to be able to pin-point.

... plus the £8k auction copy that went to Japan.

3 here in Japan that I know of...possibly more.

Agree with others, a fair few more than many would think

there is probably more than is thought, some collectors just collect and never go near northern events, quite a few spread over the world with DJ's. My guess is there is probably in excess of 50 in the hands of people who its value, plus a few scattered around yet to be found.

 

All speculation of course.

3 here in Japan that I know of...possibly more.

Are these ex-pats Flynny, or Japanese collectors? 

a lot more than that there's at least 5 among the Kings Hall dj's

Bang on Ted, ive had two over the years, and they were around at one time, not in massive numbers agreed, but were in sales boxes in record bars.

All very interesting, had I not asked, I'd have thought there was only about 10-15 copies... so the appeal is in having what some call the 'ultimate' soul record, which of course is the general, but not universal sentiment. 

Funny isn't it, because I heard it so many times on CD when I was younger - before going out/buying records - that i'm not that bothered by it. I also know it might be because I never had  that collective experience shared with others on the dance floor of hearing it for the very first time - wondering what it was, how to get it etc...bloody CD's!

Mr Fortnum's copy on a turntable at 'Caliente'

 

I  remember John Anderson telling me he had a box of either 25 or 50 in the early 1970's

 

Des

Are these ex-pats Flynny, or Japanese collectors?

Natives...Soul collectors, but certainly not Northern collectors. I almost got one a couple of months ago, but just got beat to it!

I also recall almost buying Ady Pierce's copy from him when he sold up his personal Detroit collection...got outbid at £800...which was OTT at the time (mid 8T's?)...and ironically it ended up in Japan!

Edited November 19, 201410 yr by Flynny

Natives...Soul collectors, but certainly not Northern collectors. I almost got one a couple of months ago, but just got beat to it!

I also recall almost buying Ady Pierce's copy from him when he sold up his personal Detroit collection...got outbid at £800...which was OTT at the time (mid 8T's?)...and ironically iy ended up in Japan!

 

Thats Naughty!! Dave    Kinda like rubbing your nose in it

Thats Naughty!! Dave Kinda like rubbing your nose in it

It's not a problem mate, or so the therapy sessions keep telling me!

Must admit I initially didn't appreciate just how good the track is, and indeed it was one of the tracks I would hop over when playing the Grapevine LP! Nowadays I can hardly believe I used to do that...it is prime NS.

And just think of those deep collectors in Mr Flynns adopted land that were buying it for other side! Adds another couple of dozen, at least, Somebody better sell it to Mr Dennison cheap, before the price plummets when the owners read this and think.......

 

Even though I think the other side is a perfect dancer, and not deep! And almost as good, but doesn't have the spitting fervour that the top side has.

the spitting fervour

Wonderfully original description...chuck in words like, "snarling" and "macho", and maybe we're on our way to the perfect description!

John Anderson had FIFTY copies, all found unsleeved.  They were sold for £1 each via Soul Bowl because they weren't considered to be in good enough condition.
John actually gave a copy to Dickie Watts for nothing, this was one that fetched £6000.

John Anderson had FIFTY copies, all found unsleeved.  They were sold for £1 each via Soul Bowl because they weren't considered to be in good enough condition.

John actually gave a copy to Dickie Watts for nothing, this was one that fetched £6000.

Potentially 300,000 worth given away for £1 or less!

John Anderson had FIFTY copies, all found unsleeved. They were sold for £1 each via Soul Bowl because they weren't considered to be in good enough condition.

John actually gave a copy to Dickie Watts for nothing, this was one that fetched £6000.

Jesus... what year was this Pete?

Jesus... what year was this Pete?

 

I'll ask him...

Early to mid 70's

Wasn`t the Billy Sha-rae version played out 1st?..............it`s the one I remember hearing around 71-72 ish and bought from a certain "Barrow-Boy" at that time.

 

This is mine! 

 

Edited November 19, 201410 yr by Guest

Natives...Soul collectors, but certainly not Northern collectors. I almost got one a couple of months ago, but just got beat to it!

I also recall almost buying Ady Pierce's copy from him when he sold up his personal Detroit collection...got outbid at £800...which was OTT at the time (mid 8T's?)...and ironically it ended up in Japan!

That copy came from Stuart Bennett who had to sell it to get out of some financial problems he was having at the time. He's never got over it, even to this day. 

Natives...Soul collectors, but certainly not Northern collectors. I almost got one a couple of months ago, but just got beat to it!

I also recall almost buying Ady Pierce's copy from him when he sold up his personal Detroit collection...got outbid at £800...which was OTT at the time (mid 8T's?)...and ironically it ended up in Japan!

Adey told me he bought that out of Kopples collection thru Tim Brown, Adey told me he paid a 1000 for it took it out of the package played it half the way thru  put it on the shelves before it was finished, thats when he realised collecting was a mugs game and sold up not long after

Edited November 19, 201410 yr by Ted Massey

It's not a problem mate, or so the therapy sessions keep telling me!

Must admit I initially didn't appreciate just how good the track is, and indeed it was one of the tracks I would hop over when playing the Grapevine LP! Nowadays I can hardly believe I used to do that...it is prime NS.

It was big after I sold up, so the first time I heard it was on a CD compilation. I didn't like it and couldn't understand what the fuss was all about. The same goes for Damon Fox, De-lites, Executive Four and other biggies.

 

However, once I had heard them played out and danced to them, I knew exactly what the fuss was about. Awesome!

 

This only goes to prove the point that this is dance music, not for listening to at home.

........I also recall almost buying Ady Pierce's copy from him when he sold up his personal Detroit collection...got outbid at £800...which was OTT at the time (mid 8T's?)...and ironically it ended up in Japan!

Was that when he auctioned them via paper list, all done in alphabetical order Dave ? We had to bid with the top price we would pay & no follow up bid topping ? He had some nice records, I ended up with a mint Nabay, Duke Browner demo, etc. I can remember sitting looking at his latest list thinking what's going to be on the next one as I turned to my mate & asked him what comes after the letter 'P' ? 

What's the female thing on Awake, saw one a couple of weeks ago in the U.S. same green label, slightly Funky, the guy wanted big amounts of cash for it though?

 

Des

Wonderfully original description...chuck in words like, "snarling" and "macho", and maybe we're on our way to the perfect description!

 

Aggro Soul.

i know of 2 other copies not mention in this lot.

How many copies? Nowhere near enough

And just think of those deep collectors in Mr Flynns adopted land that were buying it for other side! Adds another couple of dozen, at least, Somebody better sell it to Mr Dennison cheap, before the price plummets when the owners read this and think.......

Even though I think the other side is a perfect dancer, and not deep! And almost as good, but doesn't have the spitting fervour that the top side has.

Thank you Jock, your help is greatly appreciated to nail down this juggernaught of a 45.....might as well mention it here too that I'm doing a Tony Middleton "too the ends......" for a copy of this....any kind soul that would like to part with it please message, text, email, pidgeon carrier, message in a bottle,fax, telegraph, ticket tape or any other means please do contact me, as you can prob tell I'm interested in a copy :-)

How many copies? Nowhere near enough

Exactly Joan

theres also a version by ELDRIDGE GRAVY heard there was only 50 pressed! its not that bad my mate just got a copy from the states

What's the female thing on Awake, saw one a couple of weeks ago in the U.S. same green label, slightly Funky, the guy wanted big amounts of cash for it though?

 

Des

I only know of Shane hunter-try my love -Awake 501 Des.

theres also a version by ELDRIDGE GRAVY heard there was only 50 pressed! its not that bad my mate just got a copy from the states

 

Recent recording though.  GIven away at a soul weekender I think

anybody have any info about this version other than what pete said ?

anybody have any info about this version other than what pete said ?

 

I had one the other day Sammy, I don't know what I did with it, it was in a picture sleeve and was definitely from a USA soul weekender, it was a remake though I'm sure.  

 i`ve seen my mates but cant remember what label it was on would not mind a copy if you can find it,

I only know of Shane hunter-try my love -Awake 501 Des.

 

 

The flip is 'Sweet things,every now and then",which is also, Shaine - "Call me sweet things" on Sue.I think.

Sleepy King on Awake is a bloke.

Definately NOT Sleepy King or Shane Hunter, female singer, same label design as Eddie Parker. I'll try and contact the seller and get a bit more info

 

Des

The flip is 'Sweet things,every now and then",which is also, Shaine - "Call me sweet things" on Sue.I think.

Sleepy King on Awake is a bloke.

Isn`t the sleepy king on the New York Awake Kev??

So, now we know then. This is a really common record and there are hundreds of copies out there, but tucked away safely in top collections. Back in the day not even fit for Soul Packs, a mere give-away item. Funny there's rarely a copy available for sale yet it's on so many Wants Lists. And to think, 'Love You Baby ' was once The Eddie Parker record to chase after...

Isn`t the sleepy king on the New York Awake Kev??

 

It's definitely a different label Harry, yep.

So, now we know then. This is a really common record and there are hundreds of copies out there, but tucked away safely in top collections. Back in the day not even fit for Soul Packs, a mere give-away item. Funny there's rarely a copy available for sale yet it's on so many Wants Lists. And to think, 'Love You Baby ' was once The Eddie Parker record to chase after...

 

Fifty copies scattered around over 40 years would be very hard to track down...

Got two mint copies from Jack Ashford in early 90s. Ginger had one.

Isn`t the sleepy king on the New York Awake Kev??

 

Yes it is.Sorry i'm off on a tangent about the female tune.

Wasn`t the Billy Sha-rae version played out 1st?..............it`s the one I remember hearing around 71-72 ish and bought from a certain "Barrow-Boy" at that time.

This is mine!

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Billy Sha Rae released on burgandy coloured label, Spectrum (subsidiary of Laurie), booted on a blue spectrum, tho not sure when, although recall I bought my boot from a junk shop in Skegness around 77/8