Guest Brian Ellis Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 (edited) After having a discussion with Sam at Broughton on Saturday night about the better version of the Junior Walker classic, thought I'd ask others what they think. Which do you think is the better cover - The Electrifying Cashmeres or The Bay Brothers? I know that The Bay Brothers is the rarer, but personally I think The Electrifying Cashmeres is the more soulful; Sam disagrees! I have both so not a case of 'pushing' for the one I own. Like to know others' thoughts. Brian Edited November 25, 2004 by Brian Ellis Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Neither :graynone: Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 After having a discussion with Sam at Broughton on Saturday night about the better version of the Junior Walker classic, thought I'd ask others what they think. Which do you think is the better cover - The Electrifying Cashmeres or The Bay Brothers? I know that The Bay Brothers is the rarer, but personally I think The Electrifying Cashmeres is the more soulful; Sam disagrees! I have both so not a case of 'pushing' for the one I own. Like to know others' thoughts. Brian link Brian we had a vote on this very subject a while back probably in all about the soul somewhere....... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brian Ellis Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Thanks John - I'll check it out, very helpful. Pete-S not quite so helpful - why bother making comments if they are not going to contribute anything to the debate! Brian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 You asked a question - I answered it. Neither are any good compared to Jr Walker. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Jamie Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Brian, I did a Poll on Rare Soul Forum. I had Jr Walker (which I love), Electrifying Cashmeres, Bay Brothers and Motherlode. I think it was a tie between Jr Walker & EC (Both of which I own) and personally I just have EC above Jr Walker. I also had about 13 other cover versions mentioned, some of which I had never heard of. Why don't you try a poll on here? All the best, Jamie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brian Ellis Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 You asked a question - I answered it. Neither are any good compared to Jr Walker. link Pete - sorry if my post wasn't crystal clear - I was asking which between the two was the better; I was not looking for a comparison with JW. Regards Brian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 You asked a question - I answered it. Neither are any good compared to Jr Walker. link Got to agree Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 Pete - sorry if my post wasn't crystal clear - I was asking which between the two was the better; I was not looking for a comparison with JW. Regards Brian link Sorry, was only pulling your leg. I don't like either, honestly. But I do like Alton Ellis' version if thats any help! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brian Ellis Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 But I do like Alton Ellis' version if thats any help! link Don't know it - but will check it out, especially as it has been done by a member of the Ellis clan! Brian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 I've got it on a cd called Cry Tough on Heartbeat and it says that it's 'take 2', he's got such a soulful voice and although it's still obviously a reggae version, it is good...actually it's a cracking cd, one of the tracks on here I put on a tape must be a good 10 years ago under a different name because it was a soul version of Girl I Got A Date, finally turns up on Trojans northern cd last year. Also a good soul version of I'mJust A Guy on this cd as well. Sorry to ramble on... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 You are all wrong, the best version is be the Features on Triad records Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted November 25, 2004 Share Posted November 25, 2004 The Electrifying Cashmeres is the only good take on this song, in my opinion (and I include Jr Walker). The Bay Brothers 45 must be one of the lamest attempts at making "soul" in recorded history. A James Last lp track could summon more grit. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Kolla Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Brian, I'm in agreement with Pete - the Alton Ellis version is superb. The backing singers are so soulful and when Alton singings "i tried, i tried, i tried", you really feel he means it. Definately check it out Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I agree Colla Bach tis a lovely thing of beauty and no mistake think i may have it on a CD somewhere Trotski Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 You are all wrong, the best version is be the Features on Triad records link As nobody bettered my saying, it just goes to show either nobody was reading it or that nice little 45 is a damn rare thing Of course the record ios by the Ovations on Triad Records Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hi to anyone who remembers this topic about which version of -What Does It Take(To Win Your Love). I`d like to know what version i heard at the weekend at Skeggy Butlins which was sang by a female vocalist,sounded good to me. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
alison Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hi to anyone who remembers this topic about which version of -What Does It Take(To Win Your Love). I`d like to know what version i heard at the weekend at Skeggy Butlins which was sang by a female vocalist,sounded good to me. link I wasn't at Skeggy but there's a version by Dee Dee Warwick. I'll send you a sound file if I can dig it out. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
alison Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Is this the one ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 I wasn't at Skeggy but there's a version by Dee Dee Warwick. I'll send you a sound file if I can dig it out. link Thanks Alison ,but it was not the version i heard although it is good,any more out there please? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Potts Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Sorry, was only pulling your leg. I don't like either, honestly. But I do like Alton Ellis' version if thats any help! link I've just been listening to 'what does it take' on Alton Ellis - Sunday Coming L.P., the track before it 'Alton Blues' is an out & out Funk record. Does this get any plays on the Funk scene? Shame they had to spoil a good album!! Regards, Ady. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
MarkWhiteley Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Buddy Miles & the California Raisins - the best version hands down! (IMO of corse ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jazzyjas Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars. Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think. But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines. And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set? KTF Jas Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Is this the one ? link Is this 45 Alison, or album, if so which album? Cheers Jock Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars. Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think. But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines. And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set? KTF Jas link 5th dimention,good version. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest martyn Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Is this the one ? link Never heard that version before, Good,but still not a patch on JW's Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
alison Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Is this 45 Alison, or album, if so which album? Cheers Jock link Unsure Jock - I don't know of a release on 45 so I'd assume album - it was an RA I had stored as a sound file that Steve Plumb sent me - I'll ask him. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think. link Got a Canadian copy of this in my saels box.... will have to dig it out and give it another listen. WOOF! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I've got a nice version by Tony Rome & The D.W.A.I. Orchestra featuring Donald Armstrong, 1981 on a not so common Kency 12. Jr Walker's is the best for me tho... Sam Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Johnny One Trout Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Is this 45 Alison, or album, if so which album? Cheers Jock link Unsure Jock - I don't know of a release on 45 so I'd assume album - it was an RA I had stored as a sound file that Steve Plumb sent me - I'll ask him. link Jamesy me owd flower of the North it's Album only i believe not a bad version though i suppose Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kevin Jones Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 There is a great version byThe Fifth Dimension on the album Lovelines, Angels & Rhymes. Easy to pick up and as cheap as chips. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 There is a great version byThe Fifth Dimension on the album Lovelines, Angels & Rhymes. Easy to pick up and as cheap as chips. link chips are better value though!,backdoor-ken. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
alison Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Jamesy me owd flower of the North it's Album only i believe not a bad version though i suppose link Had a message from Plumby in response to this. Canadian LP on a weird label that he can't remember (he's at work) but thinks its just called Dee Dee. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars. Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think. But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines. And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set? KTF Jas link Alton Ellis version here- Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 (edited) As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars. Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think. But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines. And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set? KTF Jas link Alton Ellis version here-somewhere!! Have to excuse,tried several times, it is around here somewhere. Edited February 9, 2005 by jonojones Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars. Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think. But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines. And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set? KTF Jas link Alton Ellis version here- Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 As of late, I'v really enjoyed the B.J. Thomas version from his "everyone is out of town" LP. Strictly for the instrumentation and the laid back feel. His vocal is not so hot, but I like the guitars. Also, I've enjoyed the Motherlode version for going on 15 years now. Glad it finally caught on. The instrumentation and sound quality of that version is superb. Has instant dancefloor appeal I think. But I must agree with Gareth that the Electrifying Cashmeres version is undeniabley soulful and vocally a superior performance to all of the other cover versions. I don't rate the Bay Brothers version at all. The backing track is kind of nice, but those guys are shmaltzy and lack soul in my opinion. Why people were paying through the nose for that record is beyond me. Just bad adult contemporary sounding to me. I feel like I'm in a waiting room getting ready to have teeth pulled and it's playing low in the background while I'm rifling through the crappy magazines. And Pete, I'd love to hear the Alton Ellis version. Is it also on the Trojan Soulful Reggae Box set? KTF Jas link Alton Ellis version here- Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
alison Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 (edited) Is this 45 Alison, or album, if so which album? Cheers Jock link The Dee Dee Warwick LP is called 'Call me' and it's on Canadian 'Sutra' label from 1982 Edited February 10, 2005 by alison Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 Got a Canadian copy of this in my saels box.... will have to dig it out and give it another listen. WOOF! link hippo's wacked this one up in sounds bit Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
oldsteve woomble Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Hi to anyone who remembers this topic about which version of -What Does It Take(To Win Your Love). I`d like to know what version i heard at the weekend at Skeggy Butlins which was sang by a female vocalist,sounded good to me. link All I can say is i was delighted to trade my (vinyl) copy of the Bay Brothers with Sam cos i always thought it was shit. Plus it went towards a Delegates Of Soul so I was well happy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 I wasn't at Skeggy but there's a version by Dee Dee Warwick. I'll send you a sound file if I can dig it out. link Electrifying Cashmeres is the one i was looking for.It is sung high pitched and at the time i thought it was a female ,easily done i suppose as i was outside at the time."a la Little Anthony,Jonny Caswell" : .Just heard a snippet from the middle of the record at Amazon,and it gets my vote. Possible download about?especially the intro. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 The Dee Dee Warwick LP is called 'Call me' and it's on Canadian 'Sutra' label from 1982 link Thanks Alison and John, its a gospel album is it not? If so I did have it at time but never really clicked with, no doubt gave it away to someone now laughing!! Thanks for that I have most of her 60's/70s abums (I think, she only did about 4 I thought) so was wondering which one, had forgotten she had done this, I think one track on this album did get some plays with the moddern guys. Cheers Jock Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Brian, I did a Poll on Rare Soul Forum. I had Jr Walker (which I love), Electrifying Cashmeres, Bay Brothers and Motherlode. I think it was a tie between Jr Walker & EC (Both of which I own) and personally I just have EC above Jr Walker. I also had about 13 other cover versions mentioned, some of which I had never heard of. Why don't you try a poll on here? All the best, Jamie link As listed on Allmusic.com,these are known versions of What Does It Take(To Win Your Love),alright B.J Thomas doesn`t get a mention nor todays pop trollop,but it lends a hand to a poll on here. Johnny Bristol California Raisins Candy Duff Coon Elder Band Alton Ellis Kenny G Hearts Of Stone Don Julian Ronnie Laws Eddie M(?) The Manfreds The Moments Motherlode Pride & Joy Santana Tony Joe White The Younghearts Of course the site doesn`t know of the Northern ones etc so add as you please after these; Electrifying Cashmeres Bay Brothers BJ Thomas We could all try and track an audio file for each one,especially those on night shift!. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
soulmac Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 There's a version by Garland Jeffreys on Epic 7" from 1982. soulmac. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BCTRHYTHM Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 As listed on Allmusic.com,these are known versions of What Does It Take(To Win Your Love),alright B.J Thomas doesn`t get a mention nor todays pop trollop,but it lends a hand to a poll on here. Johnny Bristol California Raisins Candy Duff Coon Elder Band Alton Ellis Kenny G Hearts Of Stone Don Julian Ronnie Laws Eddie M(?) The Manfreds The Moments Motherlode Pride & Joy Santana Tony Joe White The Younghearts Of course the site doesn`t know of the Northern ones etc so add as you please after these; Electrifying Cashmeres Bay Brothers BJ Thomas We could all try and track an audio file for each one,especially those on night shift!. link Other possibles skeeter davis revelators art tatum Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Snake Davis used to do a lovely version when he had his proper trio with the incomparable John Ellis on hammond. It was in the days before he started pandering to the Northern crowd and ditched all the soulful jazz numbers. ...Ducks for cover forthwith Godz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 Hello Soul Sam, the title of Tony Rome & The D.W.A.I. Orchestra featuring Donald Armstrong is WHAT DOES IT TAKE ? have you got it for sale ? thank you blnhyc@wanadoo.fr Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Adam G Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 As listed on Allmusic.com,these are known versions of What Does It Take(To Win Your Love),alright B.J Thomas doesn`t get a mention nor todays pop trollop,but it lends a hand to a poll on here. Candy Duff Its actually Candy Dulfer who is the beautiful Dutch saxophonist the vocal is done by Johnathon Butler and while being a credible version alongside the other covers none of them come close to the original Jnr Walker . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 Hello Soul Sam, the title of Tony Rome & The D.W.A.I. Orchestra featuring Donald Armstrong is WHAT DOES IT TAKE ? have you got it for sale ? thank you blnhyc@wanadoo.fr link Sorry mate it's not for sale... however if you would like me to put it on tape for you just pm me. Sam Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2005 Share Posted April 12, 2005 hi SAM, Very thank you for your reply. I am not interested to have it on a tape, i prefer try to find it on a record. Do you know the value of this record. Is it still possible to find it ? in england ? If you want to sell it later, contact me. Thank you blnhyc@wanadoo.fr Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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