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Quite often nowadays you'll see someone with videoing the dance floor - it ranges from people with their mobile phone to others with steadicam type rigs and lights attached. There are at least two YouTube channels - 'Jud's Northern Soul' and 'Northern Soul TV' dedicated to just this activity. My understanding is that if the promoter is OK with it and the event is "public" then it's fine. There's nothing much that can be done about it, and as we all have a mobile phone in our pockets it's only going to increase but what are your thoughts?

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Having been caught on video myself, not a good look, no objections though.

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It's bad enough with the odd flash let alone a constant light on for a length of time - I wouldn't allow it to happen - it changes the atmosphere and I know would upset some of the regular paying customers - no go 

 

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Must admit that I done a video of Lou dancing to her favourite record on her recent big birthday.  Only for her benefit and to show the kids n grandkids. First time for me and it was very early on in the night. Doubt that I would have done it later on when it was busy. To much respect for other soulies to invade there personal space. 

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where I have issues with it is that some of the videos are piss takes, and are accidentally (or otherwise) hilarious (one is of one big bloke bouncing around and repeatedly bumping into probably the most patient dancer on the scene, who just waves it off)

some show fantastic dancers and great atmospheres in a club - but there should be manners where this is concerned, it is an invasion of privacy imo

 

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I've made a few, our soul club has an official photographer, he's on the dancefloor, flashes going off, lying on the floor taking action shots! He doesn't do vids though. The people love it, and seeing yourself afterwards on the pics has it's merits, some of it is very flattering some un-flattering it's a risk you take. People buy framed prints and stuff from him, we have some nice pics that he's taken. 

All our crowd are at it though, must be thousands of pics shared after the big weekenders, like wedding photos some are un-flattering you just have to not be vain and laugh it off, if the camera is elevated I can look great, if the camera held too low down I look about four stone heavier than I am in reality! :facepalm:

I do vids, my rules are if people know you're doing it your doing it wrong, NEVER light a venue, don't concentrate on anyone in particular and only publish the great parts. I tend to film from the back and I elevate the camera.

In true Blue Peter spirit here's one I made earlier, everybody loved it! Not only that but one of our big DJs Mr Lee Vowles, passed away nine months later bless him and the extended version of the vid stands as a record to him, which in retrospect was a great move. Mine have picked up a few thousand views and have been widely shared and enjoyed.

I suppose if you have a bit of creative flair and are good at it, it makes a big difference to whether people appreciate it or not, as I say if they know you're doing it then it's in danger of being intrusive. 

 

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No need for it , wouldn't attend a do if I knew it was filmed/photographed on a regular basis.

I want to be in my own little world when I'm doing my thang not a part of someone else's little YT world , it's bad enough having someone wandering around the dancefloor setting off a flash right in front of you ... lucky for some I know the value of cameras/lenses otherwise there'd be a coating of crushed glass to replace the talc ... :boxing:

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Luckily the dreadful quality of most of the videos posted on YT are as easy to spot/ignore as the dodgy soul nights that plague the calendar ... (footage shot on first generation potato-cam phones with talc-clogged microphones are embarrasing in their format let alone their content ) ...  and from what I've seen the two seem to go hand in hand so I rarely encounter them ... :thumbup:

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No, no and no. Its my escape for the duration and my memories are in my mind , don't need video taping. 

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25 minutes ago, WoodButcher said:

No need for it , wouldn't attend a do if I knew it was filmed/photographed on a regular basis.

I want to be in my own little world when I'm doing my thang not a part of someone else's little YT world , it's bad enough having someone wandering around the dancefloor setting off a flash right in front of you ... lucky for some I know the value of cameras/lenses otherwise there'd be a coating of crushed glass to replace the talc ... :boxing:

I remember a post from you a few years ago where you had said similar to this, hadn't you seen yourself on a YT vid and been very embarrassed/disappointed by it? I totally get that, I recently saw a pic of myself at a do and felt the same, after some thought I came to the conclusion not to be so vain and just embrace it, in the spirit of 'joining in' and being part of the fun, now I just laugh it off if I look fatter than I am, most of the photos I'm in are usually of me being kissed by the women, so I'm fine with that. I'm a bit of a magnet for the camera 😎, others are 'photo-bombers' and can't get enough of being photographed!

I agree about not being intrusive, if you watch my one you'll see, although we can identify ourselves it isn't 'in yer face' kinda thing.

At a recent cabaret gig I played there was one woman who was going a bit OTT about being filmed Jiving, she was claiming disability yet Jiving around like a twenty-year old!

If someone had a word with me about not wanting to be filmed at all I'd avoid them. Similarly it should be easy for an individual to avoid the lens if they find it obtrusive.

I think in this day and age if you said you were going home cause of cameras being present the attitude would be one of 'don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out'... It's how it is nowadays, everyone has a camera on their phone. There's probably more CCTV footage of you walking home than there would be of you at the event, unless you're a wicked magnet for the camera!

Also, wouldn't it have been magic if they'd had cameras back when we were young, we could've had lovely pics of ourselves looking youthful and cool! Every one of us was indeed well more good looking and cool then, than we imagined we were at the time! :ohmy:

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8 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

I remember a post from you a few years ago where you had said similar to this, hadn't you seen yourself on a YT vid and been very embarrassed/disappointed by it? I totally get that, I recently saw a pic of myself at a do and felt the same, after some thought I came to the conclusion not to be so vain and just embrace it, in the spirit of 'joining in' and being part of the fun, now I just laugh it off if I look fatter than I am, most of the photos I'm in are usually of me being kissed by the women, so I'm fine with that. I'm a bit of a magnet for the camera 😎, others are 'photo-bombers' and can't get enough of being photographed!

I agree about not being intrusive, if you watch my one you'll see, although we can identify ourselves it isn't 'in yer face' kinda thing.

At a recent cabaret gig I played there was one woman who was going a bit OTT about being filmed Jiving, she was claiming disability yet Jiving around like a twenty-year old!

If someone had a word with me about not wanting to be filmed at all I'd avoid them. Similarly it should be easy for an individual to avoid the lens if they find it obtrusive.

I think in this day and age if you said you were going home cause of cameras being present the attitude would be one of 'don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out'... It's how it is nowadays, everyone has a camera on their phone. There's probably more CCTV footage of you walking home than there would be of you at the event, unless you're a wicked magnet for the camera!

Also, wouldn't it have been magic if they'd had cameras back when we were young, we could've had lovely pics of ourselves looking youthful and cool! Every one of us was indeed well more good looking and cool then, than we imagined we were at the time! :ohmy:

That's the problem we'r not youthful and cool anymore. 😎

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Live stream is my big problem.....a bit unforgiving as when it's streamed it's streamed.

Easy to get caught up in it though.....I did a couple at Soul Purpose Pink 2 now I come to think of it!

Slightly different scenario to your average all nighter environment though....if you know what I mean!

 

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3 minutes ago, Leicester boy said:

That's the problem we'r not youthful and cool anymore. 😎

Speak for yaself! :shades:

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4 minutes ago, Leicester boy said:

That's the problem we'r not youthful and cool anymore. 😎

You speak for yourself! 🤣

I was just thinking about your post earlier, I'm pretty certain you'll be on one of the vids somewhere...

Plus didn't someone in your corner (left hand side of the bar IIRC) have a tripod set up there at the last one?

I know what you mean though, if they can't do it covert then it's a ball-ache to some, also I've heard of people disturbing dancers on the floor with it, that isn't acceptable no!

Are you down this time again? :hatsoff2:

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3 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

You speak for yourself! 🤣

I was just thinking about your post earlier, I'm pretty certain you'll be on one of the vids somewhere...

Plus didn't someone in your corner (left hand side of the bar IIRC) have a tripod set up there at the last one?

I know what you mean though, if they can't do it covert then it's a ball-ache to some, also I've heard of people disturbing dancers on the floor with it, that isn't acceptable no!

Are you down this time again? :hatsoff2:

Yes with 25 to 30 others.😀

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1 minute ago, Leicester boy said:

Yes with 25 to 30 others.😀

See yer there son. Would be nice to meet a few of your crew and maybe have a drink or two, cracking crowd you lot, will never forget your crowd at the last one, spine-tingling that tribute set, never be the same without Lee!

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C u there, certainly have a beer.

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Back in the 90s I hired a professional to make a promotional video of my event.

I instructed his assistant to interview people outside or in a separate room, I also explained that I did not want the big light on hardly at all, and he did keep that to an absolute minimum - They were good at what they did, and didn't really intrude on the night at all.

These were the days before You Tube / Everyone wanting to be famous, and although I was apprehensive about doing this for reasons you have all given above, I am glad I did, as all these years later it is something to look back on for some folk - Not least seeing friends sadly now lost enjoying life.

Everyone with a camera as it is nowadays is awful, whether it be taking photos or videoing, and something that really is a 'no no' on our scene. Although I do appreciate there are some photographers that respect how people feel, and try to be discrete when taking pics :wink: 

Here it is -

Len :thumbsup:

 

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3 minutes ago, LEN said:

Back in the 90s I hired a professional to make a promotional video of my event.

Watched that film before, nice document.

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2 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Watched that film before, nice document.

Yes I think 'document' is the word (Like photos used to be when you only had 24 in a film) Some really nice interviews with various people getting across what the scene and the music meant to them.

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brilliant video len, great venue, great music, even had the pleasure of spinning a few too. what is very noticeable is the quality of dancers 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, russoul1 said:

brilliant video len, great venue, great music, even had the pleasure of spinning a few too. what is very noticeable is the quality of dancers 

Lets make us all feel ok, and simply put the dancing down to age :D

(For those that haven't seen this) There is a second lot of footage of the same club some Ten years later, but this was done interdependently by a regular punter (Keith Jones) Not on his phone mind as it still wasn't the time of every man and his dog filming from their phones. It's a bit wobbly, but it 'documents' it pretty well.

Sorry if hijacking this thread, thought be of interest to some......Goes without saying, there was not 'Nine soul events within a Ten mile radius' this night - Promoters really did work together back then :wink:

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2 minutes ago, LEN said:

Lets make us all feel ok, and simply put the dancing down to age :D

(For those that haven't seen this) There is a second lot of footage of the same club some Ten years later, but this was done interdependently by a regular punter (Keith Jones) Not on his phone mind as it still wasn't the time of every man and his dog filming from their phones. It's a bit wobbly, but it 'documents' it pretty well.

Sorry if hijacking this thread, thought be of interest to some......Goes without saying, there was not 'Nine soul events within a Ten mile radius' this night - Promoters really did work together back then :wink:

Len  :thumbsup:

 

Might've been at that one, some memories triggered, knew some nice lasses from Northampton at one time.

 

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48 minutes ago, LEN said:

Sorry if hijacking this thread, thought be of interest to some......Goes without saying, there was not 'Nine soul events within a Ten mile radius' this night - Promoters really did work together back then :wink:

Len  :thumbsup:

 

Not at all; these videos are brilliant, as a rare artefact of the past as well as for the music and dancing. People reacted differently then too - someone with a video was important so they'd take time to talk to them in the knowledge it was something that would be around forever. Now every idiot is filming, most of them in the hope someone will fall over or make a prat of themselves. I'm going to set aside an hour or two to watch them all the way through at the weekend. 

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Just been watching Newsnight and there was a piece about social media and some clubs saying you can't get your phone out etc. I know there's always been a strong vein of thought in our scene centred on the Wigan Casino documentary that said the media should never have been let in. Personally, I'm glad they did, as I treasure the archive of this, and if I'd had access to a phone of today back then I'd have been snapping a fair few! But what do people think about banning mobile phones/cameras nowadays? Personally, I'd feel this is a negative step, but I'm sure others will have strong views about this.

The Newsnight article was about the pressure people feel from having to 'curate' their lives online, and I don't think that's the big thing here, but the mere mention of clubs banning people using phones for photos says that people getting their phones out makes clubbers feel uncomfortable. For whatever reason, it made me think of the 'no talc' rules. I know these things are not the same, but would you go to a venue that said you can't take photos etc? 

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Just been watching Newsnight and there was a piece about social media and some clubs saying you can't get your phone out etc. I know there's always been a strong vein of thought in our scene centred on the Wigan Casino documentary that said the media should never have been let in. Personally, I'm glad they did, as I treasure the archive of this, and if I'd had access to a phone of today back then I'd have been snapping a fair few! But what do people think about banning mobile phones/cameras nowadays? Personally, I'd feel this is a negative step, but I'm sure others will have strong views about this.

The Newsnight article was about the pressure people feel from having to 'curate' their lives online, and I don't think that's the big thing here, but the mere mention of clubs banning people using phones for photos says that people getting their phones out makes clubbers feel uncomfortable. For whatever reason, it made me think of the 'no talc' rules. I know these things are not the same, but would you go to a venue that said you can't take photos etc? 

Seano already a similar thread running on this very topic, merged yours with it. :hatsoff2:

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..not welcome everywhere...:-)

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4 minutes ago, jez jones said:

..not welcome everywhere...:-)

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If it were up to me they'd be handed in at the door or admission would be refused ... 

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10 hours ago, seano said:

I know these things are not the same, but would you go to a venue that said you can't take photos etc? 

Definitely.

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10 hours ago, seano said:

 would you go to a venue that said you can't take photos etc? 

Oh yeah 100%. I don't go so that I can take photos etc, I only join in with it.

And on the dancefloor I wouldn't anywhere, I only film from the sidelines or the back.

I might've given the impression that I'm at it all the time, those videos over a whole weekender only amounted to 40 mins. Most of the photos I take are outside, posing with pals and stuff. I've seen the vids by Jud and other similar, that isn't the sort of thing I film at all. 

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This is getting really interesting now! I went somewhere not too long ago, a fairly specialist night, good crowd, well known DJ's etc. There was one bloke on the dance floor (actually a very good dancer) who for at least an hour was constantly dicking about on his phone - doing selfies, taking pictures of his girlfriend and his mates with the flash, texting when he was dancing (or so it appeared), had one hand in front of him the whole time looking at the screen; maybe he was filming himself? I am usually very 'live and let live' and I just went to the other side of the room but I couldn't believe what a prat he looked. You could expect this from a 19 year old girl with her mates who'd had a drink for the first time but he was at least mid 50's. It's rare, but a good reason for banning phones on the dancefloor.

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This is getting really interesting now! I went somewhere not too long ago, a fairly specialist night, good crowd, well known DJ's etc. There was one bloke on the dance floor (actually a very good dancer) who for at least an hour was constantly dicking about on his phone - doing selfies, taking pictures of his girlfriend and his mates with the flash, texting when he was dancing (or so it appeared), had one hand in from to him the whole time looking at the screen; maybe he was filming himself? I am usually very 'live and let live' and I just went to the other side of the room but I couldn't believe what a prat he looked. You could expect this from a 19 year old girl with her mates who'd had a drink for the first time but he was at least mid 50's. It's rare, but a good reason for banning phones on the dancefloor.

Agree, phones or videoing actually on the floor is 100% encroaching on peoples' enjoyment, unless of course it's an official photographer who has dancers posing and stuff and he knows how to act so as not to get in the way of the dancing and only smudges those who are up for it.

If someone is p***ing you off just have a word in their shell, I would, or ask member of the promoter team to have a word.

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On 30/01/2019 at 18:43, Timillustrator said:

Quite often nowadays you'll see someone with videoing the dance floor - it ranges from people with their mobile phone to others with steadicam type rigs and lights attached. There are at least two YouTube channels - 'Jud's Northern Soul' and 'Northern Soul TV' dedicated to just this activity. My understanding is that if the promoter is OK with it and the event is "public" then it's fine. There's nothing much that can be done about it, and as we all have a mobile phone in our pockets it's only going to increase but what are your thoughts?

I really like Jud’s clips. They are good quality and give an insight into what venues are like. Providing the videos are taken from the sidelines, I don’t think there’s a problem.

The wider problem is everyone with a phone seems to think it necessary to photograph anything, anywhere, anytime - this ruins the dancefloor atmosphere.

Slightly off topic, but I was walking through the East Village at Stratford on Tuesday, admiring the Olympic accommodation and taking photos on my camera. Two security jobsworths came up to me and told me taking photographs was not allowed. So, I really detest being told I can not take photos when there’s no law against it but I think photographers should show real restraint when inside soul venues when choosing who to video.

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6 minutes ago, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

I really like Jud’s clips. They are good quality and give an insight into what venues are like. Providing the videos are taken from the sidelines, I don’t think there’s a problem.

The wider problem is everyone with a phone seems to think it necessary to photograph anything, anywhere, anytime - this ruins the dancefloor atmosphere.

Slightly off topic, but I was walking through the East Village at Stratford on Tuesday, admiring the Olympic accommodation and taking photos on my camera. Two security jobsworths came up to me and told me taking photographs was not allowed. So, I really detest being told I can not take photos when there’s no law against it but I think photographers should show real restraint when inside soul venues when choosing who to video.

I like Jud's, but did you see why he gave it up? Just over a year ago. 

On a similar topic, does anyone have an opinion on sketching at events!? Only half joking - I always take my sketchbook and try and capture the dance floor and/or DJ's, I sometimes draw the crowd but inevitably 90% of them are looking at their phones. Most people don't take any notice of me, usually I get complimentary remarks. A few of my friends (also sketchers) have had hassle from security for drawing in public places, usually shopping centres where they seem to be wildly paranoid although totally unconcerned about people taking photos. Similar security jobsworths with no clue or common sense. 

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3 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

I like Jud's, but did you see why he gave it up? Just over a year ago. 

On a similar topic, does anyone have an opinion on sketching at events!? Only half joking - I always take my sketchbook and try and capture the dance floor and/or DJ's, I sometimes draw the crowd but inevitably 90% of them are looking at their phones. Most people don't take any notice of me, usually I get complimentary remarks. A few of my friends (also sketchers) have had hassle from security for drawing in public places, usually shopping centres where they seem to be wildly paranoid although totally unconcerned about people taking photos. Similar security jobsworths with no clue or common sense. 

Was at the Blackpool tower weekender couple of years ago and a young lady was sketching from near the stage.  Would loved to have seen the finished article as it was looking good.

 

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9 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

I like Jud's, but did you see why he gave it up? Just over a year ago. 

On a similar topic, does anyone have an opinion on sketching at events!? Only half joking - I always take my sketchbook and try and capture the dance floor and/or DJ's, I sometimes draw the crowd but inevitably 90% of them are looking at their phones. Most people don't take any notice of me, usually I get complimentary remarks. A few of my friends (also sketchers) have had hassle from security for drawing in public places, usually shopping centres where they seem to be wildly paranoid although totally unconcerned about people taking photos. Similar security jobsworths with no clue or common sense. 

I've nothing against people sketching as that is not intrusive - I expect you're sat in a corner scribbling away, not bothering anyone.

During the war, my great granddad caught a rare illness that made him have to constantly sketch - He had been struck down by the Doodlebug :D

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2 hours ago, Timillustrator said:

I like Jud's, but did you see why he gave it up? Just over a year ago. 

So Tim, why did he give it up? Are you able to clarify? Jud’s contribution was excellent and valued by many.

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15 minutes ago, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

So Tim, why did he give it up? Are you able to clafify? Jud’s contribution was excellent and valued by many.

He posted (on Facebook I think) last January that he was fed up with all the trolling negative comments that people put on YouTube; he put up some examples - homophobic, racist, moronic, stupid comments "can't dance", "gay" "mincers" etc. He just said he was fed up of constantly having to delete them. It sounded like it had worn him down. So sad as they were clearly just from bored people who'd chanced across it and had absolutely no interest in the actual content. 

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25 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

He posted (on Facebook I think) last January that he was fed up with all the trolling negative comments that people put on YouTube; he put up some examples - homophobic, racist, moronic, stupid comments "can't dance", "gay" "mincers" etc. He just said he was fed up of constantly having to delete them. It sounded like it had worn him down. So sad as they were clearly just from bored people who'd chanced across it and had absolutely no interest in the actual content. 

I've seen that on his vid comments, shame, the folks in those vids clearly enjoy being in 'em. Don't see any harm in it at all, plus if folks don't want to be in 'em it's easy to avoid the lens. I've watched 'em and enjoyed 'em but yes they have been trolled very heavily.

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56 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

He posted (on Facebook I think) last January that he was fed up with all the trolling negative comments that people put on YouTube; he put up some examples - homophobic, racist, moronic, stupid comments "can't dance", "gay" "mincers" etc. He just said he was fed up of constantly having to delete them. It sounded like it had worn him down. So sad as they were clearly just from bored people who'd chanced across it and had absolutely no interest in the actual content. 

Shameful. Pity the poster of the video clips is unable to override the comment section. Trouble is, there is no option, you post a clip and it automatically has the comment section for trolls to spoil.

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19 minutes ago, FRANKIE CROCKER said:

Shameful. Pity the poster of the video clips is unable to override the comment section. Trouble is, there is no option, you post a clip and it automatically has the comment section for trolls to spoil.

No, you can disable comments or put them to approval only, the first one you won't get the nice comments, second option can become a full-time job, shame as you say.

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3 hours ago, Timillustrator said:

This is getting really interesting now! I went somewhere not too long ago, a fairly specialist night, good crowd, well known DJ's etc. There was one bloke on the dance floor (actually a very good dancer) who for at least an hour was constantly dicking about on his phone - doing selfies, taking pictures of his girlfriend and his mates with the flash, texting when he was dancing (or so it appeared), had one hand in front of him the whole time looking at the screen; maybe he was filming himself? I am usually very 'live and let live' and I just went to the other side of the room but I couldn't believe what a prat he looked. You could expect this from a 19 year old girl with her mates who'd had a drink for the first time but he was at least mid 50's. It's rare, but a good reason for banning phones on the dancefloor.

Went to a soul night recently and some strange individual set his camera up on a table to film himself dancing.  The worst part about it, he couldn't dance to save himself.

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1 hour ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

I've seen that on his vid comments, shame, the folks in those vids clearly enjoy being in 'em. Don't see any harm in it at all, plus if folks don't want to be in 'em it's easy to avoid the lens. I've watched 'em and enjoyed 'em but yes they have been trolled very heavily.

Shouldnt have to avoid the lens . I have politely asked not to be on photos vids etc at venues and it has upset a few . What these ameteur David Baileys need to realise is that we are not all self obsesed fame whores who love the attention and why should their hobby intrude on my enjoyment .

Really glad that Jud bloke has stopped just a pity that he didnt stop because he realised he was a nusiance . 

 

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46 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

No, you can disable comments or put them to approval only, the first one you won't get the nice comments, second option can become a full-time job, shame as you say.

No-brainer then. Disable the comments. Provide visual enjoyment and cut back on admin. Spoil it for the trolls, make themm even sadder, waste more of their time and worthless existence...

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Can't remember the venue, but I thought I was in Jessops.  Some guy had set up his equipment all around the dance floor.  Remote flashguns going off left, right and Chelsea.  It was like the blitz.  Not exactly what I'd describe as discrete and non-intrusive.  I'm assuming these people get permission from the event organiser and / or venue management, but is everybody giving their tacit consent to be photographed and then posted all over social media by the fact they've paid their entry fee?

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4 minutes ago, Steve S 60 said:

Can't remember the venue, but I thought I was in Jessops.  Some guy had set up his equipment all around the dance floor.  Remote flashguns going off left, right and Chelsea.  It was like the blitz.  Not exactly what I'd describe as discrete and non-intrusive.  I'm assuming these people get permission from the event organiser and / or venue management, but is everybody giving their tacit consent to be photographed and then posted all over social media by the fact they've paid their entry fee?

Steve.  It's only illegal to film someone in a public place if it's for illegal or terrorist purposes.  Not sure a club is classed as a public place 

Steve 

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6 minutes ago, Steve S 60 said:

Can't remember the venue, but I thought I was in Jessops.  Some guy had set up his equipment all around the dance floor.  Remote flashguns going off left, right and Chelsea.  It was like the blitz.  Not exactly what I'd describe as discrete and non-intrusive.  I'm assuming these people get permission from the event organiser and / or venue management, but is everybody giving their tacit consent to be photographed and then posted all over social media by the fact they've paid their entry fee?

All good points and from others, I don't know, I'm just a punter who doesn't care one way or t'other.

If I was precious about it I dunno what I'd do. I have to admit that I find the whole 'no f***in photos' thing a bit 'Liam Gallagher'...

Then there is the whole privacy issue having it shared 1000 times on soshul meeja! 🤨

But those who do have an issue, yes I see your point and good luck avoiding it!

Might get yer money refunded on the way out if you speak to the promoter I guess. 😥

Turning into a 'Hot-issue' Tim lad, good one! :hatsoff2:

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Dont get it at all its of no historical relevance a bunch of middle aged enjoying themselves . The film makers are just doing it for likes or whatever on social  media .  Puts me of going out if I have to word every dicksplash with a camera . 

The damage is done now with stuff all over youtube . Imagine someones first impression of the scene is watching a bunch of baggys dancing on the comedy carpet at Blackpool . 

People that claim to love the scene are doing it no favours .

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1 minute ago, Mark S said:

Dont get it at all its of no historical relevance a bunch of middle aged enjoying themselves . The film makers are just doing it for likes or whatever on social  media .  Puts me of going out if I have to word every dicksplash with a camera . 

The damage is done now with stuff all over youtube . Imagine someones first impression of the scene is watching a bunch of baggys dancing on the comedy carpet at Blackpool . 

People that claim to love the scene are doing it no favours .

The damage was allegedly done when they allowed the cameras in to the casino.  This England.  The numerous documentaries.  The film's. The adverts. You tube.  Camera phones are just the latest in a series of recordings 

Steve 

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I can understand a one off recording of an event and thankfully there's a bit footage of events that offset the idea that everyone dressed and danced in only one style ( Wigan doc). But mostly the video/camera recording is not about creating a document of time and place anymore it's more about a performance for the camera and folks aren't living in the moment of the record anymore but more interested in the resulting YouTube video.

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