Eddie Billups - Shake off that dream - bootleg?

[Nickinstoke]

Does anyone know anything about this, which I assume to be a bootleg? Both sides are identical, apart from the sticker, there's a number (09) scratched in the deadwax on one side, 010 on the other. Picked up cheap at a record fair the other day. There's no mention on Discogs or 45Cat

Edited April 3 by Nickinstoke

[Kev John]

10 minutes ago, Nickinstoke said:

Does anyone know anything about this, which I assume to be a bootleg? Both sides are identical, apart from the sticker, there's a number (09) scratched in the deadwax on one side, 010 on the other. Picked up cheap at a record fair the other day. There's no mention on Discogs or 45Cat

Hi Nick i did spot this record at the fair Sunday same tune both sides 

This is 1st issue of the record quite rare 

https://www.discogs.com/release/9851241-Eddie-Billups-Shake-Off-That-Dream-Try-Something-New with a different flip 

Edited April 3 by Kev John

[Nickinstoke]

Thanks Kev

[Spook]

it could be the Soul Tribe release with stuck on labels , to me the label looks printed .

 

[Nickinstoke]

On 04/04/2024 at 11:50, Spook said:

it could be the Soul Tribe release with stuck on labels , to me the label looks printed .

 

Good thought, I hadn’t considered that

[Djack]

If it was the Soul Tribe 45 with another label on top the run-out groove would have   ST 003 on the runout groove

[Nickinstoke]

17 hours ago, Djack said:

If it was the Soul Tribe 45 with another label on top the run-out groove would have   ST 003 on the runout groove

It doesn’t have that in the run-out. I see from Discogs that the B side on Soul Tribe is a remix - my copy sounds identical on both sides, so unless it’s a very subtle remix, I don’t think this can be the Soul Tribe reissue 

[Djack]

28 minutes ago, Nickinstoke said:

It doesn’t have that in the run-out. I see from Discogs that the B side on Soul Tribe is a remix - my copy sounds identical on both sides, so unless it’s a very subtle remix, I don’t think this can be the Soul Tribe reissue 

Nick the soul tribe releases are easy to spot they are obviously new pressings.

[Kev John]

1 hour ago, Nickinstoke said:

It doesn’t have that in the run-out. I see from Discogs that the B side on Soul Tribe is a remix - my copy sounds identical on both sides, so unless it’s a very subtle remix, I don’t think this can be the Soul Tribe reissue 

Nick what i saw of it the record had got some age to it,not a newly pressed 

 

[Tlscapital]

The saturated colors and 'fat' grainage here looks like a photocopy.

The scratched in 09 and 010 "matrix" in the run-out groove are not right.

Or are they ? Don't have that record. Shouldn't they be S7-163 C as on the label ?

Such seems to be the case with all Seventy Seven 45's. And on both sides here then ?

[Peter99]

Interesting thread. 

I would never have guessed (I'm not sure why), that Eddie was even on 77.

I'm interested to see the final verdict.

Peter

[Kev John]

On 03/04/2024 at 16:56, Nickinstoke said:

Does anyone know anything about this, which I assume to be a bootleg? Both sides are identical, apart from the sticker, there's a number (09) scratched in the deadwax on one side, 010 on the other. Picked up cheap at a record fair the other day. There's no mention on Discogs or 45Cat

BTW Nick whats the sound quality & vinyl like  ?

 

[Nickinstoke]

14 hours ago, Kev John said:

BTW Nick whats the sound quality & vinyl like  ?

 

Decent sound quality, ant the vinyl looks right

[Nickinstoke]

I took it along to our local Beer and Records night, attended by local luminaries such as Butch, Johnny Beggs, Kev John and other long-time collectors - everyone was as baffled as I am

[Gaz T]

There are loads on Popsike 

I’m under the impression it’s considered to be a proper USA release from 76

i have seen it go through e bay a few times myself for 100 odd 

thanks 

Gaz

[Gaz T]

I would guess it must be the copy sent to radio stations if it’s got the push side on both sides ?

 

[Benji]

None of the Seventy Seven copies on Popsike have the same song on both sides. They all have the correct flip "Try something new".

[Gaz T]

I guess it’s time to compare the matrix stamp / information on the copy with both sides and  the copies with the different flip 

If it’s definitely vinyl with proper moulded label and the matrix matches , that would be interesting.

 

[Nickinstoke]

15 hours ago, Gaz T said:

I guess it’s time to compare the matrix stamp / information on the copy with both sides and  the copies with the different flip 

If it’s definitely vinyl with proper moulded label and the matrix matches , that would be interesting.

 

It’s definitely vinyl, but the matrix is wrong - see my earlier post

[Tlscapital]

3 minutes ago, Nickinstoke said:

It’s definitely vinyl, but the matrix is wrong - see my earlier post

Stuck-on label or moulded label in vinyl he meant. That's the difference.

One way to tell would be to have a "regular" stocker next to it and compare...

All label print and colors, matrix, run-in and out groove, sound quality and all... 

Edited April 10 by Tlscapital

[Nickinstoke]

I don’t have the stocker of “Shake off”, just a demo, but comparing it to a couple of other 77 releases from a similar date, I’m sure it’s wrong. Looks like a stuck on label and the print quality is inferior. 

[Tlscapital]

2 minutes ago, Nickinstoke said:

I don’t have the stocker of “Shake off”, just a demo, but comparing it to a couple of other 77 releases from a similar date, I’m sure it’s wrong. Looks like a stuck on label and the print quality is inferior. 

OK so like in your picture even in the flesh it doesn't look right. If ever you can also compare the run-in and run-out groove counts and gap between this odd stocker (likely a boot of some sort) with your promo copy.

[Peter99]

So like, is it, or isn't it. And it appears that for now, at least, that remains the question. 

Peter

[Kev John]

1 thing i noticed on Nick's record is the runout was smaller than his Demo which looked a standard size if you get my drift !

There is a copy on evil bay where i've tried enlarging the scan i honestly couldn't see any stamped matix in runout or any etched in numbers or markings in the runout

Just sent a message to the seller if he's willing to pass any matrix runout info from the record

Edited April 11 by Kev John
updated my post

[Chalky]

The only release that is same both sides is the Soul Tribe copy, flip side being a remix but same time length. Maybe a doctored copy of one of those or a home made one?

Edited April 11 by Chalky

[Northernguy]

15 minutes ago, Chalky said:

The only release that is same both sides is the Soul Tribe copy, flip side being a remix but same time length. Maybe a doctored copy of one of those or a home made one?

Garpax promo are the same both sides

Edited April 11 by Northernguy

[Tlscapital]

8 minutes ago, Northernguy said:

Garpax promo are the same both sides

OK but the Garpax promo is MONO B / W stereo versions. Although the run-out groove matrix apparently reads '4703' on both sides... And not '09' and '010' as on this 'labeled' double sided Seventy 7 dodgy press.

And the Garpax is the 1977 reworked version... Sounding very different from the 1973 first release either on Helpp or Seventy 7. The problems with this Seventy 7 here is the label prints, the double sider and matrix.

[Chalky]

1 hour ago, Tlscapital said:

OK but the Garpax promo is MONO B / W stereo versions. Although the run-out groove matrix apparently reads '4703' on both sides... And not '09' and '010' as on this 'labeled' double sided Seventy 7 dodgy press.

And the Garpax is the 1977 reworked version... Sounding very different from the 1973 first release either on Helpp or Seventy 7. The problems with this Seventy 7 here is the label prints, the double sider and matrix.

Yes I forgot about that one tbh and like you say different mix etc

[Kev John]

Right got a reply of seller on Ebay

 run-out reads S7-162-C & S7-163-C (scratched) plus the marking shown in the attached photo (both sides). I'll leave you to decipher what it is. Regards, Paul

This is for the real issue

https://www.discogs.com/artist/676200-Paul-Richmond-2?anv=MPaul&filter_anv=1

Edited April 13 by Kev John
added info for mastering engineer in run out image