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    Still played in the late 8ts as Little Carl carlton when played by Gary Spencer who bought Pat Bradys old copy.

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it will beat the lester tipton price if you take the top 5 dj/collectors not sure many have it

Hi ted, yeh deffo top lester tipton, i allways thought there were only three or four of these? :D

might be wrong here simon but i`m sure he played it also towards the end of wigan? :D

Oh Bugger "last year at Wiganed" Wheres Rubble I'll have to Stafford him on something!! :yes::D

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Oh Bugger "last year at Wiganed" Wheres Rubble I'll have to Stafford him on something!! :lol::D

:yes::D:lol: some strange story about why there are so few copies as well i think? :lol:

:D:yes::D some strange story about why there are so few copies as well i think? :lol:

The death from a brain tumour of Junior McCants just as the record was about to be released. Withdrawn and replaced in the King catalogue with a Billy Ward & The Dominoes re-issue.

Could be wrong here, but I think Pat played this covered up on an original acetate which came from John Anderson. This white deejay is extremely scarce: no more than three copies, maybe. For what it's worth the two ballad sides of McCants' singles are extraordinary soul records.

Could be wrong here, but I think Pat played this covered up on an original acetate which came from John Anderson. This white deejay is extremely scarce: no more than three copies, maybe. For what it's worth the two ballad sides of McCants' singles are extraordinary soul records.

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Little Carl Carlton "Hey Little girl" c/p .What an anthem it was at Stafford :g:

Still played in the late 8ts as Little Carl carlton when played by Gary Spencer who bought Pat Bradys old copy.

Still played in the late 8ts as Little Carl carlton when played by Gary Spencer who bought Pat Bradys old copy.

How late , as I think Nigel Parker had his demo by then ?

don't like it.......rare as though

The dance side on the other Junior McCants single, The Boy Needs A Girl, is a tremendous mover. I've often wondered how that would be rated if the rarity of the two records were transposed.

I love Junior McCants' voice, as I am a sucker for male singers with high, but raw voices like Carl Hall.

How late , as I think Nigel Parker had his demo by then ?

Around 1990. Have an old playlist tape on which it still is C/UP as are the Soul brothers Six as well by the way (IDOLS/USA).

Marc

Still played in the late 8ts as Little Carl carlton when played by Gary Spencer who bought Pat Bradys old copy.

garys copy ended up with tim brown via andy dyson.i remember andy having it at the welfare hall

gary spencer was guest dj that night. it was the last time he played it along with don gardner

cairos, springers etc

dave

The dance side on the other Junior McCants single, The Boy Needs A Girl, is a tremendous mover. I've often wondered how that would be rated if the rarity of the two records were transposed.

very very highly I would imagine.

what a fantastic cheapie it is though. A ballad and a great uptempo track back to back what more can you ask for ?

The dance side on the other Junior McCants single, The Boy Needs A Girl, is a tremendous mover. I've often wondered how that would be rated if the rarity of the two records were transposed.

I love Junior McCants' voice, as I am a sucker for male singers with high, but raw voices like Carl Hall.

I don't know anything about Junior McCants except that he was from Ohio -- you seem to have some info. Do you know if he was at all connected to the McCants family (e.g. incl. James McCants) that were the Harmonics / Chicago Gangsters? They were also from Ohio so it doesn't seem unlikely.

Bob:

McCants was from Cincinnati itself I think, and a protog of Charles Spurling: I don't know if that ties him into the Harmonics / Gangsters who were from, if memory serves, Akron.

Ady Croasdell will know more: he wrote quite extensive sleevenotes on the 45 and the McCants story on Kent's King Northern Soul Vol 1 cd.

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copy.

garys copy ended up with tim brown via andy dyson.i remember andy having it at the welfare hall

gary spencer was guest dj that night. it was the last time he played it along with don gardner

cairos, springers etc

dave

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Lifted from John Pugh's interview with Pat Brady from Soulful Kinda Music:

JP: Are there any in particular that you remember how much you paid for them ? At this point I suggest anyone with a weak heart sits down, or turns to the next page

PB: It's funny how they stick in your mind I remember paying £30 for Danny Moore 'Somebody New' on Allrite (625), Johnny Rogers 'Make A Change' on Amen (4619) was £25, The Brooks Brothers 'Looking For A Woman' on Tay (501) was £30, Esther Grant cost me £20, Jimmy & Entertainers 'New Girl Across The Street' £20 well spent and the slightly dearer ones, The Hy-tones 'Don't Even Know Her Name' was £50, and Junior McCants cost £40 for a King acetate.

JP: It's difficult to compare prices between then and now, but it's fair to say they've all gone up a bit since then !

PB: I know it's a bone of contention but I honestly believe that the first record to sell for a thousand pounds pins was Junior McCants, reputedly there's only the acetate plus another vinyl copy which turned up, Tim Brown would probably be able to set the record straight on that.

Bob:

McCants was from Cincinnati itself I think, and a protog of Charles Spurling: I don't know if that ties him into the Harmonics / Gangsters who were from, if memory serves, Akron.

Ady Croasdell will know more: he wrote quite extensive sleevenotes on the 45 and the McCants story on Kent's King Northern Soul Vol 1 cd.

Charles Spurling wrote "Try Me For A New Love", and had other releases on King, wonder if he ever recorded it! That would be intresting to hear!

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The dance side on the other Junior McCants single, The Boy Needs A Girl, is a tremendous mover. I've often wondered how that would be rated if the rarity of the two records were transposed.

I love Junior McCants' voice, as I am a sucker for male singers with high, but raw voices like Carl Hall.

great tune "tbnag", bugger to dance to tho'. :g:

love this tune :lol:

aint it a 100 club anniversary single too :g:

tim brown ended up with pat bradys copy, nigel parker never really played his copy out because he & pat were both residents at bradford queens hall & pat was still playing his copy, the acetate (10 inch) was owned by mark hanson, dont know if he's still got it

love this tune :lol:

aint it a 100 club anniversary single too :g:

R, T'OTHER SIDE IS GARLAND GREEN - COME THROUGH ME.

BRI.

might be wrong here simon but i`m sure he played it also towards the end of wigan? :thumbsup:

Pat didn't have play it at Wigan, deffo a Stafford tune, so rare too.

I like the casual way he says scarce Northern.

I would be jumping up and down a freckin loonatic.

Any one got a sound clip of the other side, interesting sound on the disc compared to the CD or even the single up front voice lacking bass, louder sound and dynamic.

I think this a monumental rare soul record. Would absolutely love to hear it played out at a nighter.....

Have to agree with Gareth the vocals are outstanding and its got that superb distinctive King production....amazing. Also the whole mystique of it what with the singers untimely death ect...

Up there with the very best records imho.

Rarest soul record to appear on ebay maybe? Has the Mello Souls been up for sale on there?

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don't like it.......rare as though

Terry stop being a Butch groupie , with ya Arthur Willis and Milton James's laugh.gif

Lifted from John Pugh's interview with Pat Brady from Soulful Kinda Music:

PB: I know it's a bone of contention but I honestly believe that the first record to sell for a thousand pounds pins was Junior McCants, reputedly there's only the acetate plus another vinyl copy which turned up, Tim Brown would probably be able to set the record straight on that.

Tim says 1st £1000 record was Robbie Lawson (Tim sold to Pat)

tim brown ended up with pat bradys copy, nigel parker never really played his copy out because he & pat were both residents at bradford queens hall & pat was still playing his copy, the acetate (10 inch) was owned by mark hanson, dont know if he's still got it

Nigel's a member on here, so perhaps he can confirm, but I never thought he had a copy of this; what years did he have one then ?

I remember reading somewhere that Junior died in a motorcycle accident, Can someone confirm or rebute this.

Either way a a touching story. I wonder if his family know of this value to the disc. presuming he has family left with us. Would be good for them to see the sale of the disc.

I remember reading somewhere that Junior died in a motorcycle accident, Can someone confirm or rebute this.

Either way a a touching story. I wonder if his family know of this value to the disc. presuming he has family left with us. Would be good for them to see the sale of the disc.

Think the full story was that Junior had some kind of blackout while riding his motorcycle and this eventually led to the discovery of the brain tumour.

Nigel's a member on here, so perhaps he can confirm, but I never thought he had a copy of this; what years did he have one then ?

Did he just know who it was Simon . Such a long time ago :lol:

Being a long time friend of Gary Spencer,i was lead to believe this to be the only copy of Junior, it was the one from Andreson to Pat and to Gary,Pat continued to play this covered as Little Carl Carlton on a dub.The single was then sold to Tim.

Is this ebay copy only the second one!!!!!!

If i speak to Gary i will confirn this

Thats what i had heard too...would be good to get a confirmation. As rare as the infamous Frank Wilson then if that is the case!

What other only two known copy records are there?

Frankie Beverley on Rouser?

Two Plus Two??

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Thats what i had heard too...would be good to get a confirmation. As rare as the infamous Frank Wilson then if that is the case!

What other only two known copy records are there?

Frankie Beverley on Rouser?

Two Plus Two??

Just spoken to Gary he is fishing in deepest Cambridgeshire...........he did buy this off Pat for £600.00 on the proviso he did a dub and kept it covered.he carried on playing it for approx another 3/4 yrs before selling it to Tim for approx £3000.00.It was the only copy known....................unless someone on here knows differently!!

Nigel Parker never owned the record,if fact according to Gary when he first played this at the cellar Bar in Stamford Nigel got the right hump and sat in his car outside for about 2 hrs lol.

There was a reference to the Idols on USA earlier,Gary did have this covered as the "soul Bros 6" it was covered up for so long he forgot what the original title was and had to uncover it to jog his memory.

The springers,Don Gardner etc were sold to Tim although not all at the same time,it occured over a period of 18months.

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Blimus.....so copy number two only just surfacing 40 odd years after it was recorded! Now that IS a rare record.....

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I don't know anything about Junior McCants except that he was from Ohio -- you seem to have some info. Do you know if he was at all connected to the McCants family (e.g. incl. James McCants) that were the Harmonics / Chicago Gangsters? They were also from Ohio so it doesn't seem unlikely.

bob ,far as i know you're right with the connection.it is the same junior mccants + the harmonics on the track summers love on the dupree logo wich is of course a cleveland ohio label.lemme know if you need any more info .

bob ,far as i know you're right with the connection.it is the same junior mccants + the harmonics on the track summers love on the dupree logo wich is of course a cleveland ohio label.lemme know if you need any more info .

Hi Andy. The guy in the harmonics is james mccants, and the harmonics became the chicago gangsters, they were a whole family group of McCants which is why I was suggesting that Junior was related to the family maybe? I thought they were from Akron (or at least dupree says akron on it). Are you saying that James McCants is definitely Junior McCants?

I was talking to a guy at the 100 or Cleethorpes and he said to me he had a copy.

His words were Ady Croasdell don't even have one of these.

Cant remember who it is.

It was the 100.

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garys copy ended up with tim brown via andy dyson.i remember andy having it at the welfare hall

gary spencer was guest dj that night. it was the last time he played it along with don gardner

cairos, springers etc

dave

Hi Andy. The guy in the harmonics is james mccants, and the harmonics became the chicago gangsters, they were a whole family group of McCants which is why I was suggesting that Junior was related to the family maybe? I thought they were from Akron (or at least dupree says akron on it). Are you saying that James McCants is definitely Junior McCants?

on listening to the dupree 45 i'd be astounded if it isn't the self and same vocalist i just double checked the 2 king ones against the dupree release..

the flip to try me as gareth points out is fantastic indeed..

Think the full story was that Junior had some kind of blackout while riding his motorcycle and this eventually led to the discovery of the brain tumour.

After the sessions that produced both sides of the 45's he recorded, Junior on a newly aquired motorbike was giving Charles Spurling a lift across town he suddenly cried out he couldn't see, Charles grabbed the handlebars avioding an accident, taken to hospital Junior was diagnosed with a brain tumour and died shortly after aged 24, the single was then withdrawn from release ( this info lifted from Ady's notes on King Northern Soul: Kent 185)

Could be wrong here, but I think Pat played this covered up on an original acetate which came from John Anderson. This white deejay is extremely scarce: no more than three copies, maybe. For what it's worth the two ballad sides of McCants' singles are extraordinary soul records.

Yes I think thats right Gareth , Little Carl Carlton "Hey Little girl" c/p .What an anthem it was at Stafford :lol:

not sure if i'd like it now, but a fantastic Stafford record at the time

not sure if i'd like it now, but a fantastic Stafford record at the time

Indeed it was Mark, I remember us both skidding down to the floor to this one!

on listening to the dupree 45 i'd be astounded if it isn't the self and same vocalist i just double checked the 2 king ones against the dupree release..

the flip to try me as gareth points out is fantastic indeed..

I'm pretty sure the lead of the chicago gangsters is james mccants, and he was alive throughout the lifetime of the group in the 80s. Also, apparently the chicago gangsters *are* from akron, according to his son posting on this youtube clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPAb9g43jvA

So james McCants is not Junior Mccants if Junior McCants died early. If Junior McCants sang lead on the harmonics 45s then the leader changed after he left. But the group is definitely from Akron. And the harmonics remade "let me go" in like 1969, but the King 45 in question is from like 1967. Did he die in 1967 or not? Thanks.

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