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Silverfox has one.

A five figure feedback is pretty huge for sure. However the point I was making is it does not mean they are just collecting soul 45's. Some people just buy pretty much all their goods apart from food on ebay.I agree, it makes good sense to remember the feedback. I know some sellers dont bother, but you would think it's in their best interest.

Not sure he has to be a huge buyer- dealer. When ebay had more transparency there was a chap who not only purchased rare soul but rare expensive art ie oil piantings etc, he had telephone number feedback. Fantastic anthem of a soul record for sure, but like so many other titles that several collectors have it would appear they do not need to be a less than ten known copy 45 to fetch over £2000. I can only see more amazing prices for records that in reality have had at least 25 plus owners in the uk for years, but they are the keepers and not the ones every man and his dog takes a turn to own. I wonder if he did find it together with all those Jamaican titles he was selling?, can't beat a good story.

Neil Think that title is 'honey babe' not 'Hey babe' , nice 45, hope you get one. Andy

The folks who had good knowledge and revered collections pre-internet had in most cases earned it, they spent more time than most with their head in sales boxes, subscibed to every sales list they knew about and spent hours listening to records down the phone, in other words doing the knowledge and developing their own taste. Now it's full of check book charlies buying anything over a grand to impress their little click on face book with little clue why they actually like the record, meanwhile adding to their wants list on discogs with records they feel they need just because another clone of themself want's it. So in a nutshell I think the internet has been a breeding ground for a different type of div.

All jokes to one side, I hope your sales go well Guy! Oh, that image is much appreciated. Andy

That Music for Orgies could be a tough sale in the current climate🤣

Really nice track penned by Grey & hanks.

With something like thirty plus years of incredible soul music only available on CD it does seem rather sad that this track could somehow get elevated to the status that some choose to give it, as tracks go that first came on a CD I personaly would not give it a top two thousand place , as a soul record fast or slow not even in the top five thousand. It would be really interesting to know roughly how many soul souce members purchased CD's and in what format ie compilations of northern or modern 10% maybe?, new material from it's release date 2% maybe ?. The point i'm getting at is this really does seem to be a lot to do about a nothing record in the first place. If folks want to argue the toss about the merits of how you play this thing to an audience then so be it, however I personaly believe their appreciation of quality soul would be better served by taking a listen to all the wonderfull CD cuts they choosed to avoid or ignore, but maybe it has a lot to do with not being able to impress others with their latest purchase🥱.I still hate them🙂.

His stepper on Premo records' You come along way baby' also got issued with a small and large center hole.

It is a nice 45 for sure, so perhaps the wrong noses have been in the sales box!.If we do get let out in the end I will look out for other copies to compare. Andy

As good as some may think it is, the record has been in my sales box for three years and it has slowly come down to that exact price you mentioned because nobody wants it. I have had it over fifteen years so doubt mine is any kind of re issue. That's not to say the copies you have seen are original copies, as some really odd things have found a the re issue market.Supply and demand is the likely answer.

Interesting post. Cheers

Van Jones is considered by most as a Virginia artist, as most of his output appeared on Virginia labels ie Norfolk sound, Silver sound, Impulse etc. However there is a cut on Indian River with a Detroit address. The publishing on the Conway release is Twenty grand music, again registered to Warren Miller in Norfolk Virginia. One of the Silver sound releases has a California address, but maybe pressed there to get his music to a wider Audience. I had both copies you refere to at one point only to sell the Silver sound copy and keep the Conway as it seemed at the time to be the more desirable of the two.Could well of been pressed and distributed in Detroit in a move to 'Get it out there' as they say. But given that it has no distinct musical traits associated with Detroit i'm inclined to still call it a Virginia record. I like his material the ballad on Norfolk sound probably my favorite. Another mine field of label variants.

Great piece of work Mark, and no doubt some deliberation needed on what should be included. It just reminded me how bang average my northern collection was that got sold in the late eighties. But I have about 25 of them even now, no doubt due to the number of crossover/ early seventies records you decided to include. Many of which were infact addopted by the northern sceen many years after first being spun at the very early crossover venues, nothing wrong with that, but as Mark eluded to it has just helped to swell the prices. Wish I still had the Sam Williams though as I really like the deep ballad flip. Alice Clark 'You hit me has a great deep flip, Maybe that should be considered for inclusion, but perhaps out of favor and too obvious for 2020?

Similar structure to Rikki Aaron's ' Say what's on your mind' but in my opinion it's just a whole lot better.👍

I was going to add my two peneth, but decided not too. The above post nails it.

Thanks for this excellent article on Joe's recordings, This type of informative thread certainly inspires me and i'm sure many others to have a dig around and revisit his great work.👍

Good detective work sir, I thought it was an old Gibson without really checking, so it looks as if I was wrong. It still looks a really dated style caption for later than 78, though maybe just set up to look that way to capture their favored period. However as some one else mentioned if it was a photo from the 80's then the guy holding the guitar would have been very young in 1965 asuming it is the Cashmeres on Hem.

Sorry Sebastian, I managed to get the Cashmeres on Rubbertown (different group) accredited to that 1970 date I had down, then confused that with the hubba hubba thing. And you are correct regarding the Ninandy 45, still have that somewhere, will give it another listen as that sounded a tad later than 68.

Yes, I can see your school of thought with that, however the 'Afro' black and proud hair styles never really kicked in till 72/73, hense me thinking the photo was possibly 70/71 no later. As you say it could defeat us all.

i'm now thinking the second photo looks early seventies to me, so perhaps the period when they were on hubba hubba or Ninandy. Many group acts up to and before that period are mostly seen with the bow tie and collar in suit, however there is a great clip of the Temps on youtube from the sixtees with similar wide collars. Never thought eightees ,the guitar was the giverway, not that folks in the industry did not cherish them, just not great in a promo picture. I thought to start with it could have been from the sixtees , but obviusly wrong.Thanks for that. Andy

You still seem to think they should all be young, I fail to see why..Besides does the photo above have a proven connection to the group on Hem?.

So why would they have to be in their twenties or thirties to cut this 45? they could well of been in doo wop or early transional groups prior to that, most groups or artists end their time singing at a ripe old age. If you key in 60's mens suits on the net I think you will find many almost identical to the ones they are wearing

Fantastic track, just a pitty it's taken 25 years to see a 45 release. I'm sure that will inspire more 45 releases of the bottom less pitt of quality CD tracks from the last 30 years, sadly which many failed to buy through shallow reasons only known to themselves. Well done Patrick and Mark R for raising it's profile.