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I did say almost identical, but my ears are a bit rough to be honest, so maybe it is identical. No clue whats going on there, Pat & Pam are Lucky Cordells Daughter's according to discogs, not Patti Hamilton. So this is like that other Chicago head scratcher Cindy & the Playmates 'Portrait of gods love' being the same record as Eight Minutes ' I love you' LP track on Perception. I'm sure someone did or does know.

Nice. That version is almost identical to the by Pam & Pam which got released. The arranger Johnnny Cameron also cut the record.

I am inclined to think that some folks get 'My Conscience' which would appear to be their first 45 on Lovelite from 1970 and cheap as chips, mudled up with 'Get it off my conscience' from 1975 which was the last of five releases on the logo or maybe just forgot they had two with a similar title. The later title also seemed to show up from time to time, but for some reason trashed. I agree with the previous post regarding the quality of 'What a day', superior to a whole heap of stuff that gets played out from that time capsule.

Yes, I think records with that catchy anthem type structure do tend to grate if you hear them out all the time. If you leave them alone for a good enough period and spin them once in a while all is well.

I thought there had been a genuine US press, a legit re-press from Rod Dearlove and the dreaded boot from Italy. The reason being as a new release I Remember some friends sent for the record through the record company only to end up with the 12''. Seem to remember snaging the 7'' from possibly Mike Charlton, as I said pretty much a new release. All the Benvick 7'' 45's in 2021 have all but vanished, even the Bobby Finch was spotted on a regular basis up untill 5 years ago (crap joke in there some where). The first Class ' Love is real' has to be the toughest on the logo, and one of the best Baltimore sweet 45's of the period. only recall seeing the copy I own and maybe one other, never in quantity, no idear what happened to them.

As great as the record is, I do not find the fact that the issue is so rare in any way different to any other examples of this well known scenario with major record labels, Columbia, Rca, Mca, Arista/ Buddah, Warner Bros the list goes on, They all have numerous titles that an issue is very scarce.' Tennesssee Waltz' was the A side, so if the company wanted to promote that side and give his first solo effort on the logo the push they thought it deserved that was the best way to do it, not have some well known radio jock in a major city playing the flip and throwing the whole promotion in to doubt. There have been several examples of record promotion going wrong with the record loosing it's initial push because some radio play has been slanted towards the flip side, only for the record company to try again and release a second time. A little unusual perhaps for Atlantic during that particular period. Personaly I think it's just the price tag and the well known stature of the artist that has got this whole topic skewed.

Do you have to press that little eject button with your right foot which should be on the acclerator? That has to be the most mental musium piece i've seen for ages, absolute quality!

I will drop you a line.

Silverfox has one.

A five figure feedback is pretty huge for sure. However the point I was making is it does not mean they are just collecting soul 45's. Some people just buy pretty much all their goods apart from food on ebay.I agree, it makes good sense to remember the feedback. I know some sellers dont bother, but you would think it's in their best interest.

Not sure he has to be a huge buyer- dealer. When ebay had more transparency there was a chap who not only purchased rare soul but rare expensive art ie oil piantings etc, he had telephone number feedback. Fantastic anthem of a soul record for sure, but like so many other titles that several collectors have it would appear they do not need to be a less than ten known copy 45 to fetch over £2000. I can only see more amazing prices for records that in reality have had at least 25 plus owners in the uk for years, but they are the keepers and not the ones every man and his dog takes a turn to own. I wonder if he did find it together with all those Jamaican titles he was selling?, can't beat a good story.

Neil Think that title is 'honey babe' not 'Hey babe' , nice 45, hope you get one. Andy

The folks who had good knowledge and revered collections pre-internet had in most cases earned it, they spent more time than most with their head in sales boxes, subscibed to every sales list they knew about and spent hours listening to records down the phone, in other words doing the knowledge and developing their own taste. Now it's full of check book charlies buying anything over a grand to impress their little click on face book with little clue why they actually like the record, meanwhile adding to their wants list on discogs with records they feel they need just because another clone of themself want's it. So in a nutshell I think the internet has been a breeding ground for a different type of div.

All jokes to one side, I hope your sales go well Guy! Oh, that image is much appreciated. Andy

That Music for Orgies could be a tough sale in the current climate🤣

Really nice track penned by Grey & hanks.

With something like thirty plus years of incredible soul music only available on CD it does seem rather sad that this track could somehow get elevated to the status that some choose to give it, as tracks go that first came on a CD I personaly would not give it a top two thousand place , as a soul record fast or slow not even in the top five thousand. It would be really interesting to know roughly how many soul souce members purchased CD's and in what format ie compilations of northern or modern 10% maybe?, new material from it's release date 2% maybe ?. The point i'm getting at is this really does seem to be a lot to do about a nothing record in the first place. If folks want to argue the toss about the merits of how you play this thing to an audience then so be it, however I personaly believe their appreciation of quality soul would be better served by taking a listen to all the wonderfull CD cuts they choosed to avoid or ignore, but maybe it has a lot to do with not being able to impress others with their latest purchase🥱.I still hate them🙂.

His stepper on Premo records' You come along way baby' also got issued with a small and large center hole.

It is a nice 45 for sure, so perhaps the wrong noses have been in the sales box!.If we do get let out in the end I will look out for other copies to compare. Andy

As good as some may think it is, the record has been in my sales box for three years and it has slowly come down to that exact price you mentioned because nobody wants it. I have had it over fifteen years so doubt mine is any kind of re issue. That's not to say the copies you have seen are original copies, as some really odd things have found a the re issue market.Supply and demand is the likely answer.

Interesting post. Cheers

Van Jones is considered by most as a Virginia artist, as most of his output appeared on Virginia labels ie Norfolk sound, Silver sound, Impulse etc. However there is a cut on Indian River with a Detroit address. The publishing on the Conway release is Twenty grand music, again registered to Warren Miller in Norfolk Virginia. One of the Silver sound releases has a California address, but maybe pressed there to get his music to a wider Audience. I had both copies you refere to at one point only to sell the Silver sound copy and keep the Conway as it seemed at the time to be the more desirable of the two.Could well of been pressed and distributed in Detroit in a move to 'Get it out there' as they say. But given that it has no distinct musical traits associated with Detroit i'm inclined to still call it a Virginia record. I like his material the ballad on Norfolk sound probably my favorite. Another mine field of label variants.

Great piece of work Mark, and no doubt some deliberation needed on what should be included. It just reminded me how bang average my northern collection was that got sold in the late eighties. But I have about 25 of them even now, no doubt due to the number of crossover/ early seventies records you decided to include. Many of which were infact addopted by the northern sceen many years after first being spun at the very early crossover venues, nothing wrong with that, but as Mark eluded to it has just helped to swell the prices. Wish I still had the Sam Williams though as I really like the deep ballad flip. Alice Clark 'You hit me has a great deep flip, Maybe that should be considered for inclusion, but perhaps out of favor and too obvious for 2020?

Similar structure to Rikki Aaron's ' Say what's on your mind' but in my opinion it's just a whole lot better.👍

I was going to add my two peneth, but decided not too. The above post nails it.