What is the story behind this. I've always understood that it isn't Dena Warnes and that it's a Simon Soussan production?

Thats correct , he did several different new vocals to Northern classics at the time , Double Cookin' , Rhino , My Little Girl etc ...Best,Eddie

Thats correct , he did several different new vocals to Northern classics at the time , Double Cookin' , Rhino , My Little Girl etc ...Best,Eddie

Be interesting to know the singers actual name on the 'Dena Barnes' 45, at least then I can credit her on a Detroit CD I put together.

Thats correct , he did several different new vocals to Northern classics at the time , Double Cookin' , Rhino , My Little Girl etc ...Best,Eddie

Hi Eddie how you doing, sure I've got a copy of These heartaches somewhere but probably 25 years or so since I last played it. are you saying that it's an alternative vocal to a well known track ?

What is the original then as i didn't realise it at the time?

cheers mate

Dave

Hi Eddie how you doing, sure I've got a copy of These heartaches somewhere but probably 25 years or so since I last played it. are you saying that it's an alternative vocal to a well known track ?

What is the original then as i didn't realise it at the time?

cheers mate

Dave

duke browner - crying over you

I had the Dena Barnes "These Heartachesl",Thought it was a great tune,Many years ago talking to Mr Searling,And it came up in conversation about Wigan tunes,And I asked him about it and he could not remember it,Wonder if he does now??

Grant

Ahem......or this!!!!!!! (this is an ORIGINAL too!!!!!)

thats an isntrumental though....right?

I had the Dena Barnes "These Heartachesl",Thought it was a great tune,Many years ago talking to Mr Searling,And it came up in conversation about Wigan tunes,And I asked him about it and he could not remember it,Wonder if he does now??

Grant

No surprices there, not with Richard's memory.

thats an isntrumental though....right?

the dena barnes has the instrumetal on the flip - still called 'these heartaches' if memory serves

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Hey Dave

No offence ....but you look like 'Boggs' out of Shawshank Redemption!

Edited October 25, 200915 yr by davetay

the dena barnes has the instrumetal on the flip - still called 'these heartaches' if memory serves

think it does Mike, sold mine few yr back...

duke browner - crying over you

Cheers Grant, have to see if I can find it though the more i think about it the more I think I may have given it away Anyone got a soundclip to save me looking

Thanks

Dave

Cheers Grant, have to see if I can find it though the more i think about it the more I think I may have given it away Anyone got a soundclip to save me looking

Thanks

Dave

whoops, just remembered not allowed to post mp3's - sorry

Edited October 26, 200915 yr by mikecook

Dena Barnes - These Heartaches -

beats Duke Browner hands down imo

Edited October 26, 200915 yr by mikecook

Dena Barnes - These Heartaches -

beats Duke Browner hands down imo

Thanks for posting that Mike but blimey it doesn't ring any bells with me at all I know I did have it but if I have given it away I can see why........absolutely awful, like pinky & perky on helium......No offence fella but is that a joke Mike suggesting that it's better than Duke B ?

Hi,

I sold my old copy on E**y a couple of weeks ago.

The B side was These Heartaches by The Kaddo Strings

Best

David

Thanks for posting that Mike but blimey it doesn't ring any bells with me at all I know I did have it but if I have given it away I can see why........absolutely awful, like pinky & perky on helium......No offence fella but is that a joke Mike suggesting that it's better than Duke B ?

No offence taken, and no it wasn't a joke

I heard this version banged out week after week at the local youth club over 30 years ago and at the time hadn't heard the DB track. For that reason it was the vocals i associated with the backing music - and still prefer it to this day. Incidently, it was played at a bournemouth event last year by Butch ('the dark one', as he calls himself) and it packed the floor

Personally don't like it, duke Browner for me

P

I have to confess I had forgotten all about it. Though on second thoughts (after giving it a listen) my mind must have blocked it out like some kind of amnesia realted to trauma - it's that bad isn't it?

With reference to the Kadoo strings "Crying over you" that some one posted the scan of, the flip "Nothing but love" (also issued as John Rhys) definitely belongs in the thread about dated instrumentals, though I remember having the red Impact Kaddo strings copy, and being so pleased when I finally got it. Strange how things change eh?

best,

RB

Edited October 26, 200915 yr by Rich B

No offence taken, and no it wasn't a joke

I heard this version banged out week after week at the local youth club over 30 years ago and at the time hadn't heard the DB track. For that reason it was the vocals i associated with the backing music - and still prefer it to this day. Incidently, it was played at a bournemouth event last year by Butch ('the dark one', as he calls himself) and it packed the floor

Mike yes it's so often the case that the one you hear first is the one that you go with & of course 30 odd years ago I certainly listened, enjoyed & bought loads of stuff that I wouldn't give the time of day to now & there are others that though I wouldn't want to hear out I may occasionaly stick on indoors but that vocal is truly dreadful IMO.

30 years ago muriel day packed the floor....doesn't mean anything ('cept people, including me needed to clean their ears out)

Jessica played it on the Saturday afternoon session at Cleethorpes.

Great tune, and ad me to the ones who prefer it to Duke Browner. Just like its quirkiness.

Maybe its the Yate influence in my formative years.

What is the story behind this. I've always understood that it isn't Dena Warnes and that it's a Simon Soussan production?

So do we know the real singer behind this?

I always loved the record, still do, I think I got mine from wigan about 76/77, and still got it, I would love to play it out, but wouldn't coz it's a boot (or is it?)

So do we know the real singer behind this?

I always loved the record, still do, I think I got mine from wigan about 76/77, and still got it, I would love to play it out, but wouldn't coz it's a boot (or is it?)

yes its a boot but according to the 'rules', as there is no other copy of it, it is ok to play out - but not ok to play the B side

Edited October 27, 200915 yr by mikecook

yes its a boot but according to the 'rules', as there is no other copy of it, it is ok to play out - but not ok to play the B side

That's my thinking too?????

Dena Barnes---These Heartaches -was done at the time as a complete Piss take --as S.S. hAD fallen out with virtually everyone,he said this -out of tune,flat,load of bollocks would be acceptd,i remember when i first heard it about 1977(???) with Rod Shard and we both said "No way will people ,accept that sort of shite!!"----they didn,t --and thats why it disappeared up its own arse----i can,t believe peoplle are discussing it in 2009---Get a life---as for the identity of the singer--who cares??

Tony C.

Dena Barnes---These Heartaches -was done at the time as a complete Piss take --as S.S. hAD fallen out with virtually everyone,he said this -out of tune,flat,load of bollocks would be acceptd,i remember when i first heard it about 1977(???) with Rod Shard and we both said "No way will people ,accept that sort of shite!!"----they didn,t --and thats why it disappeared up its own arse----i can,t believe peoplle are discussing it in 2009---Get a life---as for the identity of the singer--who cares??

Tony C.

Here, here, nasty 'orrible shite.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Dena Barnes---These Heartaches -was done at the time as a complete Piss take --as S.S. hAD fallen out with virtually everyone,he said this -out of tune,flat,load of bollocks would be acceptd,i remember when i first heard it about 1977(???) with Rod Shard and we both said "No way will people ,accept that sort of shite!!"----they didn,t --and thats why it disappeared up its own arse----i can,t believe peoplle are discussing it in 2009---Get a life---as for the identity of the singer--who cares??

Tony C.

I don't remember that really Tony but as usual judging from this thread I was wrong!! That may have been the night though where we agreed that the bags with beer towel look was a real breakthrough in style innovation.

No one is inferring it is an unissued Detroit thing? It is a Simon jobbie. Was it recorded underwater? I am a technical muppet but is there any way that the vocal was speeded up at the time. Could it be Duke or was it a real if terrible singer. I know he speeded Epitome up at the time as Moses Smith but that was both backing and vocal wasn't it. Although vocal didn't sound "odd"; from memory anyway.

ROD

Edited October 27, 200915 yr by modernsoulsucks

Dena Barnes---These Heartaches -was done at the time as a complete Piss take --as S.S. hAD fallen out with virtually everyone,he said this -out of tune,flat,load of bollocks would be acceptd,i remember when i first heard it about 1977(???) with Rod Shard and we both said "No way will people ,accept that sort of shite!!"----they didn,t --and thats why it disappeared up its own arse----i can,t believe peoplle are discussing it in 2009---Get a life---as for the identity of the singer--who cares??

Tony C.

God has spoken, end of thread

now all those that did like it can stop liking it now - and we shall all stop wearing clothes when certain individuals decide that we should stop wearing them!!!

good grief, and you have the nerve to tell others to get a life

gOD---i never said i was god---he makes mistakes!!

T.C.

Just a pointless exercise imo.

On par with Ruth Swann, Jezebels et al.

Awful screeching vocals which should never grace a turntable again.

Deffo a pime candidate for Room 101.

gOD---i never said i was god---he makes mistakes!!

T.C.

Here, here, nasty 'orrible shite.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Can't improve on that description.. shocking, wailing racket..

I've had copies thru my hands over the years and knew it was a Soussan thing but now I know it was a pisstake .. It all makes sense.

Edited October 27, 200915 yr by Lobster Madras

Can't improve on that description.. shocking, wailing racket..

I've had copies thru my hands over the years and knew it was a Soussan thing but now I know it was a pisstake .. It all makes sense.

just played the soundclip and me dogs done a runner into the kitchen,its shite

"cromo effect" ---- anyone else?

Didn't think this would develop into a behavioral psychology debate.

But you could well be right.

"cromo effect" ---- anyone else?

Cromo Effect---it,s like being back at work on my P.I.C.U. WARD----BUT back to the disc in question 00i realised i was slagging it off but hadn,t heard it in about 3o yrs. --so i.ve just done so with fresh ears, i.m sorry but it,s still garbage,incidentaly S.S. did another one about the same time based on "Nothing but love"-- i.e. a made up vocal over an exsisting Detroit backing,name escapes me00i think it was something like"The Tartans and Sisters" --that was even worse!!!

Regards

T.C

Going for my cognitive therapy session.

Hey Dave

No offence ....but you look like 'Boggs' out of Shawshank Redemption!

No offence!! I bet Boggs would have something to say about that!

It was our Vera moonlighting on this Detroit classic lol

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

No Mark-------Vera,s voice is more Brighton Harbour than Anne Arbor!!1

Best

T.C.

A wise man once said to me, "Sometimes, being in the minority just means that all the fools are on the same side"

each to their own, we cant all like the same things

Cromo Effect---it,s like being back at work on my P.I.C.U. WARD----BUT back to the disc in question 00i realised i was slagging it off but hadn,t heard it in about 3o yrs. --so i.ve just done so with fresh ears, i.m sorry but it,s still garbage,incidentaly S.S. did another one about the same time based on "Nothing but love"-- i.e. a made up vocal over an exsisting Detroit backing,name escapes me00i think it was something like"The Tartans and Sisters" --that was even worse!!!

Regards

T.C

Going for my cognitive therapy session.

Was it called " There is a heart " ? There was the vocal to " Rhino " - " Dreaming up a world of fantasy " and the vocal to " My Little Girl " - " My Sugar Baby " - Shirlie Matthews [ that wasn't bad as far as I remember ] , and the vocal to " Double Cookin ' " .I remember getting a list from Simon at the time 76- 77 ? Still got it somewhere ......Best,Eddie

Was it called " There is a heart " ? There was the vocal to " Rhino " - " Dreaming up a world of fantasy " and the vocal to " My Little Girl " - " My Sugar Baby " - Shirlie Matthews [ that wasn't bad as far as I remember ] , and the vocal to " Double Cookin ' " .I remember getting a list from Simon at the time 76- 77 ? Still got it somewhere ......Best,Eddie

If Shirlie Matthews is a S.S thing why is it on the old Inferno L.P 'Mirwood the sound of swingin Hollywood' (Burn 1 - 1984) then? In the sleeve notes it boasts that Sherlie (yes, spelt with an e) is a Mirwood mainstay.

If Shirlie Matthews is a S.S thing why is it on the old Inferno L.P 'Mirwood the sound of swingin Hollywood' (Burn 1 - 1984) then? In the sleeve notes it boasts that Sherlie (yes, spelt with an e) is a Mirwood mainstay.

Maybe thats a kosher track then , I do know it appeared at the same time as the other tracks so was roped in with them , can anyone confirm ? Best,Eddie

Was it called " There is a heart " ? There was the vocal to " Rhino " - " Dreaming up a world of fantasy " and the vocal to " My Little Girl " - " My Sugar Baby " - Shirlie Matthews [ that wasn't bad as far as I remember ] , and the vocal to " Double Cookin ' " .I remember getting a list from Simon at the time 76- 77 ? Still got it somewhere ......Best,Eddie

Eddie, it was 76.

" My Suger Baby" was quite good, and the "Double Cookin" vocal was Del-Satins "Baby, you're the fire" or a title something like that.

Dave.

Davetay-----love that pic of you and youre young daughter!!!

T.C.

Davetay-----love that pic of you and youre young daughter!!!

T.C.

Now Now!

Tony, hope you well, Lou wil be flattered.

Anyway my daughter is far more better looking.

Dave.

I remember it being played at the time, and I'm quite disturbed and ashamed to say I thought it was ok.. ...but discotrons had that effect..

..30 years on though, it's bloody awful.........it's obviously been speeded up, which might explain why it sounds so bad.....there could be a half decent voice in there at the right speed.....anyone care to pitch it down to see if she can really sing....

Edited October 28, 200915 yr by Wrongcrowd

regarding the above recording - this track is out of a box that are all knackered in sound over the years (can't seem to bring myself to throw them out)- it might be better if someone with a more playable copy had a go

It is Pattie Brooks on "These Heartaches" (somewhat speeded up tho) - She is the singer on loads of Simon Sousan's legal and illegal stuff including "Shirley Matthews", "Del Satins" "Tartans" "Charades" "The Rubys" etc.....plus official stuff by The Sharonettes. Arpeggio, Romance, etc

She was an established LA backing singer working under the name Adrienne Williams and is credited on lots of 70s west coast produced disco stuff. I think the "Del Satins" vocal to "strings a go go" (double cookin') says features "Adrienne Williams" too.

Edited October 30, 200915 yr by Ringleader

Dena Barnes - These Heartaches -

beats Duke Browner hands down imo

Kinell, is that PINKY OR PERKY?