RnB is dead

RIP RnB

Overheard at Barnsley a week ago, "RnB has run its course now; no one is up for it except the few hardcore cats n thay are getting fewer".

Has the RnB room run its course? Should venue promoters stop flogging a dead horse?

I am not sure of the answers but I don't see too many chocker block RnB rooms, yup it may just be the venues I am visiting, is there a vibrant scene out there or is it dwindeling off?

Must get my eyes tested I thought Rob was dead poor Rob RnB is dead thats ok then nowt important

Just a personal opinion but i think it's R&B fans are moving away from soul venues , for me ( this is a personal view also) but soul venues that are crossover heavy ( as most are in Scotland anyway) are of no interest to me at all so even if a do has a "token " R&B room it certainly wouldn't entice me into it ...when i want R&B i'll go to an R&B venue

I think you may have something there Davie - the Hideaway seems to be doing okay for numbers - but then that is soul night hours.

We'll see if it's dead at allnighters or not when the reports of Radcliffes R&B room come in.

Should have seen the RnB/Ska room at TOTS in December......if its dead it was sure one hell of a wake.

a controversial thread surely!

not an avid fan myself, but there are many class rnb tracks. would disagree that its dead, still side rooms at nighters that play some belting tracks. have noticed myself that attendance is down in these rooms, but you have still got purely rnb nights that are going strong, hideaway, no way out and salutation just in manchester to mention but a few.

Do R&B fans go to nighters?

Me I like any kind of dance music whether its R&B or modern.

Kev

Edited January 26, 201015 yr by good angel

The way I see it - so many purely 'R&B' room tracks are getting main room spins - the folks who attend multi-room venues and would have spent half of their night in the R&B room no longer have the need to... so it's more a case of the attendees getting their R&B fix without having to leave their non-R&B friendly friends in the main room.

When I started the FLIPside allnighters (with Mark Stewart) R&B was Northern Souls poor relation - the only R&B tracks getting played at nighters were cast iron Stafford plays - which were few and far between and anything new was looked down on - since then tracks like Charles Sheffield, The Five Royales, Lou Lawton, The Idols, Zu Zu Man, Leo Price etc have been picked up by the main rooms and hammered to the point where some of them have become anthems at Oldies events like "Soul In The Sun" - all of these tracks were already well known (even overplayed in some cases) on the R&B scene.

Without the R&B DJs picking up on these tracks they would never have crossed over - so IMO a scene that doesn't have space for an out and out R&B room (or Crossover/Modern room for that matter) is going to become staler faster.

Is it dead? Don't think so? Probably just evolving.

(p.s. And by R&B scene, I'm including both the Mod and Popcorn scenes as well)

Edited January 26, 201015 yr by pikeys dog

It's ok funks the new R&B only these new hip funksters are so much harder to train,did someone mention Ska at a soul do now that would put me off big time.

Do R&B fans go to nighters?

Kev

Probably more R&B fans who are committed to going to allnighters than you would give credit for - whether there's an R&B room there or not...

Probably more R&B fans who are committed to going to allnighters than you would give credit for - whether there's an R&B room there or not...

Must say there are less mods about,me really dont care as long as they dont stop playing the stuff cause i like it,and all the other styles that hang around the Nsoul scene.............except ska.

Should all be mixed in the one room IMO.

Always been my opinion and that's the format I set out for Bidds from day one, and the reason why I've never opened the 2nd room at Bidds just for R&B.

2nd and 3rd rooms always seem to suffer from erratic attendances throughout the night, whether they be playing R&B, Modern, or Rare Soul.

The thing I have noticed over the last year or so, is that a large proportion of those into R&B who were up for as much unknown R&B tunes as possible, now seem to have absorbed as much as they can take.....a bit like overfull soggy sponges

It seems as though they want to continually hear all the same big R&B tunes that have been played out over the last 5 years or so....very similar to the oldies fanatics on the Northern scene.

The turnover of 'new' tunes from the DJs on the R&B scene is much faster than the current Northern scene, and I don't honestly think a lot of those who are into it want to keep up the pace as much nowadays.

There is without doubt, a lot of shite that gets played out in this process.....but there are still plenty of R&B gems being, and yet to be discovered that will eventually find there way into main room Northern events.

I would also agree that stand alone R&B events like The Hideaway and Pow Wow are better attended and received than '2nd room' events.

However, I also feel that you seem to be on some sort of crusade with the R&B thing of late Simon, particularly with Barnsley.

Perhaps you should chill out a bit and trust the promoters to make the decisions that they feel most comfortable with?

Edited January 26, 201015 yr by Mace

Bit of a provocative topic maybe, but has prompted some thoughtful responses..

I consider that there are two 'versions' of R&B in existence at the moment - the main floor version and the dedicated room/venue version. The main floor followers often consider the dedicated room a bit too hardcore, and the dedicated room followers consider main floor R&B a bit too Northern.

Due to my appetite for new sounds, my preference in recent years has moved from nighters to the smaller dedicated venues that seem to come up with the goods, possibly due to there being less pressure to maintain a full dance floor. It also provides an opportunity for lesser known collectors/djs to spin a few and this often throws up a few nice surprises.

So no, I don't agree R&B is dead. If you seek out the real R&B it's actually thriving in a nice underground sort of way, and that makes it far more interesting to me than attending a Northern niter where I can sing along word perfect for a good part of the night.

Another hot topic....

With regards to attendance Simon??? what venues are you basing your post on????

I think a problem could be the number of pure RnB fans and the number of venues...

4 or 5 in Manchester, is that too many??? this year will tell the answer i think..

I like the idea of Bidds...

Edited January 27, 201015 yr by little-stevie

AS I SIT HERE AT 3am checking e-mail doing some posting. I have my electric stratocaster on my knee, and for the last 2 hours just been jamming the blues scales E & D switching rhythms from Delta to Chicago blue and into R&B and REGGAE, its easy simple and you can play all-night if you want to all R&B from the early Blues through to HIP HOP and even To-Days Soul is all basically the same a Beat & Rhythm whoever made that statement knows nothing worth knowing as R&B is all popular music? Liston to Fella Kuti and you all will understand that R&B means FUNK DAVE KIL "I Woke up this Morning, and I think I will brush my Teeth. yes I woke up this morning,"Good Morning BLUES

I think R&B is very misunderstood by soul fans who don't really know what it is we do ... They'd be surprised by the amount of quality soul that gets played at places like the hideaway and of course basics .

I hope the r&b scene isn't dead even if i haven't attended an r&b or mod night in quite a number of years now. Personally i felt the quality of the new records getting played was diminishing which is why i strayed, (and also my tastes changed) but i wouldn't like to hear that scene was falling on hard times. I read on here loads of threads regarding r&b records, both new discoveries and old faves, so at least from a collecting and online point of view it seems to still be thriving?

I'm not so sure i would want to hear r&b records mixed in with 70's and crossover though. The form of the styles have too many disparities and i don't think they would sit will together. This of course is generalizing, the right soulful r&b/r&s record can sound great in amongst later 60's stuff (and that is often the case) but i think very early Big Mama era r&b and early popcorn sounds (regardless of a personal dislike for the latter) would make for a muddled night of music....

I get the impression that there are also plenty of soulies who are big fans and collectors of r&b, i think this 'big divide' is often overstated. I think you'd be hard pushed to find soulies who couldn't see the merits of 45s like Carl Underwood, JD Abram, Delores Johnson, Leroy Harris ect....

Edited January 27, 201015 yr by mulf

Mace, dude, no need for an RnB Fatwa against me, honest, yep I commented on Barnsley but it was by no means any thing against RnB, the last thing I want is a load of people wearing cravats chasing me down an ally and pouring espressos over me!

Mixing RnB works most excellently at Bidds and I have always had a top night there and recommended it to others. Do I like RnB? I don't know enough about it to have an opinion and I have never voiced an opinion on RnB.

I am asking a simple question, you are of course quite right about letting the promoter crack on with what ever room they want.

The idea of mixing suits me very well indeed, I often meander into a RnB room and I am always blown away by the sight of every one else singing along to a record that I have never ever heard of, it is an awesome experience for me to get busy with some new sounds. Bidds does this in a way that I find very palatable because I can dip in and out of genres without too much of the band aid being ripped off.

I still don't like going to an empty room, having said that I have found my self dancing on my own in many alternative rooms so what the hey do I know?

RnB Is far from dead , like mentioned earlier, you even get RnB Tracks incorpotared into the bigger main soul rooms! which shows if anything an increase in popularity , also has it got something to do with the price of RnB Records ? for a big soul record your looking at four digits , but for an unknown & great RnB record you can pick up for 3 digits! dont get me wrong im both a soul and RnB Fan , but to say one or the other is dead is crazy , also there are a lot more young people getting into RnB & Soul these days so i think it will be alive for many years to come! its that modern stuff that youll see fading out ; ) wouldnt that make a few people happy !!

Mace, dude, no need for an RnB Fatwa against me, !

Behave yerself.

Your points are valid, and it makes healthy discussion IMO.

Promoters should, of course, take on board all valid cristicism (unless it's about the toilets at Bidds )

I just think you've banged on about the Barnsley R&B room a wee bit too much.....the promoters posted replies to your previous comments on the Barnsley lookbacks thread, so it just seems a bit repetitive to start a new thread with that same venue as the catalyst (IMO)

Just remember, with a cravat stuffed in your gob down a dark alley....no-one can hear you scream

Regards

Mace

Edited January 27, 201015 yr by Mace

"its that modern stuff that youll see fading out ; ) "

out of interest, why do you think this?

RnB Is far from dead , like mentioned earlier, you even get RnB Tracks incorpotared into the bigger main soul rooms! which shows if anything an increase in popularity , also has it got something to do with the price of RnB Records ? for a big soul record your looking at four digits , but for an unknown & great RnB record you can pick up for 3 digits! dont get me wrong im both a soul and RnB Fan , but to say one or the other is dead is crazy , also there are a lot more young people getting into RnB & Soul these days so i think it will be alive for many years to come! its that modern stuff that youll see fading out ; ) wouldnt that make a few people happy !!

Ah, discussions, discussions. We've seen all this before, (and i said it many if anyone was listening)?

In the mid 90's there was a great surge of interest in Modern and Crossover in all it's formats, in many smaller rooms, and to a certain extent in the larger rooms and niters. It was like a tidal wave and some were swept along by it, never to be seen again. The rest of us who'd saw this before over the years, just took it in our stride and let it pass by. Some venues we had it rammed down our throats, we were literally overdosed.

Now the 'new' modern scene encompassing many styles has left it's mark, gone off with it's new adherents, and reinvigorated itself. Much to it's own benefit.

The same with the R'n'B thing, mid-late 90's. It was very popular main room, still is. But it reached a height of great popularity and tailed off. As above, a large number of it's hardcore adherents have moved on to the specialist rooms, and the scenes have developed.

In Dec. visited Long Eaton R'n'B and 6t's night run by Sam Moore and Roger Banks. A quite refreshing evening, a good buzz, with music quality of the highest order.

In Jan. did the Nu-solutions do at Stafford, the opposite end of the musical spectrum. But with the same criteria as above.

They both had decent crowds in, and were attended by enthusiastic and comitted people.

So whilst they're neither as popular mainstream in some respects, they're certainly far from dead. You just have to look at the bigger picture.

I think Bidds needs a second room..... The toilets would be excellent for a modern room.

RnB is dead

RIP RnB

Overheard at Barnsley a week ago, "RnB has run its course now; no one is up for it except the few hardcore cats n thay are getting fewer".

Has the RnB room run its course? Should venue promoters stop flogging a dead horse?

I am not sure of the answers but I don't see too many chocker block RnB rooms, yup it may just be the venues I am visiting, is there a vibrant scene out there or is it dwindeling off?

Si...you're a good lad but you don't half talk utter shite sometimes

Mace, dude, no need for an RnB Fatwa against me, honest, yep I commented on Barnsley but it was by no means any thing against RnB, the last thing I want is a load of people wearing cravats chasing me down an ally and pouring espressos over me!

Mixing RnB works most excellently at Bidds and I have always had a top night there and recommended it to others. Do I like RnB? I don't know enough about it to have an opinion and I have never voiced an opinion on RnB.

I am asking a simple question, you are of course quite right about letting the promoter crack on with what ever room they want.

The idea of mixing suits me very well indeed, I often meander into a RnB room and I am always blown away by the sight of every one else singing along to a record that I have never ever heard of, it is an awesome experience for me to get busy with some new sounds. Bidds does this in a way that I find very palatable because I can dip in and out of genres without too much of the band aid being ripped off.

I still don't like going to an empty room, having said that I have found my self dancing on my own in many alternative rooms so what the hey do I know?

belter looool, nice one

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by becchio

It's ok funks the new R&B only these new hip funksters are so much harder to train,did someone mention Ska at a soul do now that would put me off big time.

And me ! "Soul of Jamaica " I dont think so

And me ! "Soul of Jamaica " I dont think so

Ska ?? FFS ! Ile be away tooooooooooooo

Should all be mixed in the one room IMO.

Always been my opinion and that's the format I set out for Bidds from day one, and the reason why I've never opened the 2nd room at Bidds just for R&B.

2nd and 3rd rooms always seem to suffer from erratic attendances throughout the night, whether they be playing R&B, Modern, or Rare Soul.

The thing I have noticed over the last year or so, is that a large proportion of those into R&B who were up for as much unknown R&B tunes as possible, now seem to have absorbed as much as they can take.....a bit like overfull soggy sponges

It seems as though they want to continually hear all the same big R&B tunes that have been played out over the last 5 years or so....very similar to the oldies fanatics on the Northern scene.

The turnover of 'new' tunes from the DJs on the R&B scene is much faster than the current Northern scene, and I don't honestly think a lot of those who are into it want to keep up the pace as much nowadays.

There is without doubt, a lot of shite that gets played out in this process.....but there are still plenty of R&B gems being, and yet to be discovered that will eventually find there way into main room Northern events.

I would also agree that stand alone R&B events like The Hideaway and Pow Wow are better attended and received than '2nd room' events.

However, I also feel that you seem to be on some sort of crusade with the R&B thing of late Simon, particularly with Barnsley.

Perhaps you should chill out a bit and trust the promoters to make the decisions that they feel most comfortable with?

I agree with you spot on there Mace. Stick it all in one room and mix it up.

We also promote a bit of everything at Yum Yum and this works well with all ages and dancers.

We have a big mixed crowd of ages, cultures and the only thing important is keeping that dance-floor alive.

But I guess that's the beauty of coming from the mid 80's mod background. We are used to mixing everything up and don't worry too much about dance floor politics

RnB is dead

RIP RnB

Overheard at Barnsley a week ago, "RnB has run its course now; no one is up for it except the few hardcore cats n thay are getting fewer".

Has the RnB room run its course? Should venue promoters stop flogging a dead horse?

I am not sure of the answers but I don't see too many chocker block RnB rooms, yup it may just be the venues I am visiting, is there a vibrant scene out there or is it dwindeling off?

Simon .............. you should know better that to be eves dropping on other peoples conversations, you should be ashamed of yourself !!!

RnB is dead

Simon, having seen your list in the Top 100 thread ....... Mood Mosaic, Touching Velvet .......... I'll take a bit of RnB anyday!

Apart from the Rock and Roll

Or the Country

Or the Popcorn

It's that classic attitude that if it doesn't impact on the 'Soul Scene' it doesn't exist

As has been stated on this thread R&B is a completely seperate entity to your 'Northern' nights

Granted I have played a few Soul nights where my sets have gone down like a lead balloon...but you can smash R&B over the head of many a soul fan from now until eternity and they still won't get it...horses for courses

We have our own clubs which are doing very well as it happens...it's good to go to a nighter with a room set aside for those of us who love the devils music...but to be honest I wouldn't lose any sleep if it disappeared

Plenty of nights round my parts what with The Hideaway, No Way Out and our very own Out Of The Blue that will keep everyone busy for the majority of the month and to be honest i'm more inclined to go to a purely R&B night than one where there is a chance of me hearing Benny Troy

As has been pointed out already...we are evolving...and with the Mod kids...I think we stand a better chance of surviving than most of the current sub genres

It's that classic attitude that if it doesn't impact on the 'Soul Scene' it doesn't exist

As has been stated on this thread R&B is a completely seperate entity to your 'Northern' nights

Granted I have played a few Soul nights where my sets have gone down like a lead balloon...but you can smash R&B over the head of many a soul fan from now until eternity and they still won't get it...horses for courses

We have our own clubs which are doing very well as it happens...it's good to go to a nighter with a room set aside for those of us who love the devils music...but to be honest I wouldn't lose any sleep if it disappeared

Plenty of nights round my parts what with The Hideaway, No Way Out and our very own Out Of The Blue that will keep everyone busy for the majority of the month and to be honest i'm more inclined to go to a purely R&B night than one where there is a chance of me hearing Benny Troy

As has been pointed out already...we are evolving...and with the Mod kids...I think we stand a better chance of surviving than most of the current sub genres

Early 6ts RnB was paramount then evolved inc in the mix Mod/Freakbeat which then added full blown Stax Atlantic and add Motown into the menu gave us Club Soul followed by the eventual import of rarer 6ts vinyl which evolved to Northern and was then including all of the previous Genres and then crossover Mecca movement then taking a slight step to the rear Stafford rarer scene mollycoddled on for 10 or so years,Weekenders evolved playing all of the previous,then people started adding Modern to main room playlists,

This is when purists ( lovers of rawer soul music) started looking for the roots to hear (RnB and doowop some as near as dammitt Rock n Roll) to play out different rooms where required for differing viewpoints and musical tastes,and as mentioned earlier RnB venues are starting to appear again as they did in the early 6ts eg: Adlib club in Lincoln,so are we evolving or have we just revolved back to where we started,

Just a Viewpoint

and may help people think

Without teaching the kids of today what we started with we wont have a scene to evolve with again

IMO

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by Makemvinyl

im to lazy to read the other posts. .but will say i reckon lots of people got drawn to r&b when they went to middleton etc an saw a buzzing room and heard differant sounds, me included .......although my r &B EDUCATION STARTED AT THE WILTON ...suprise suprise for some ....i myself THEN got into teen popcorn doowop , anything differant . and have now refined my collecting to the records of all styles i like and buy accordingly........niters are quieter anyway of late, credit crunch, petrol prices , bad weather . old age all play a part ...... R&b aint dieing but its deffo back to the smaller scene that is was a few years ago,. . down south there is a vibrant young scene playing great unknown r&B ..COMPLETLY OVERLOOKED BY THE NORTHERN OLDIES BIG ROOM CROWD............EZZIE . PS SOLD QUITE A FEW R &B RECORDS OF LATE ALL TO EUROPEAN OR SOUTH EAST ENGLAND BASED COLLECTORS

Edited January 28, 201015 yr by ezzie brown

heard better soul records in the R+B room at some niters than I have in the main room...........

I miss Pow Wow, I miss the Backbeat room at Middleton, in fact I miss a dedicated all-night R&B venue that gets people excited, involved and walking away talking about what a great night they have had. The R&B room at Radcliffe is certainly the place to be, and has slotted quite nicely into the space that the original Middleton Backbeat room has left. But Radcliffe seems to be the only place at the moment where the additional rooms are supported enough to form a decent atmosphere.

2nd rooms struggle, no matter what the genre, and I'm not sure what the answer is. Maybe it's the co-promotion of an event where the promoters actually target their individual audiences, rather than just a single event with 2 or more rooms. What I have found is that decent soul music grabs the attention of the R&B crowd, and even though alot won't admit to it, decent R&B grabs the attention of the soul crowd.

There's more than enough people out there into their R&B,

The Hideawy, No Way Out and Out of the Blue would / do give me the music I enjoy along with an atmosphere to enjoy myself in, but the soul night hours make it a struggle to justify the 8 hour round trip from London.

Running a dedicated R&B night in London was also a thankless task. Pressure from bar / club owners to bring people in, pressure from the punters to play music they know (unbelievable, I know!). Even inviting the best R&B DJs on the circuit down resulted in punters standing by the side of the dancefloor waiting to hear something they knew, or someone they knew behind the decks, before allowing themselves to have a good night.

Don't get me wrong, we had a handful of storming nights at Hard as Nails, but I was also left with a feeling of embarrassment at times for the attitude towards some of our guest DJs.

There is an R&B / Mod scene in London, but unfortunately I have been to places where I have had to wade through an awful lot of mediocrity before finding the occasional night that comes together and a great time is had by all. There are some great DJs in London, but as someone else has said previously, there is little hunger for new sounds, and the dancefloor dictates what is played.

I don't just think it's London that suffers in this way, I have been to 'Mod' weekenders where it's the same attitude. I remember one DJ building up a great set then looking on in astonishment when JT Parker emptied the floor, because no-one at the time knew it. When he finsihed he said to me 'music of this quality is completely wasted on those cnuts', I make him completely right.

So R&B is struggling, but no more so than Northern / Rare / Modern Soul is struggling. It's all about evolution, and I think R&B realised this and is now attracting a younger sussed crowd (mainly driven by some big European events) and the future doesn't look too bad.

I honestly don't think R&B is an allniter genre , it's not northern and people comparing the 2 are wasting

their time IMO

I disagree Davie.

The genre in an all nighter format has worked before, so with all the right ingredients there's no reason why it couldn't work again.

I disagree Davie.

The genre in an all nighter format has worked before, so with all the right ingredients there's no reason why it couldn't work again.

it worked briefly in a northern soul environment , in that in a second room etc .... there is no way of telling real numbers because people come and go .

as i say it's just an opinion but i don't see a successful dedicated R&B allniter anytime soon , and a case in point was Roots of Rhythm which had one of the best R&B line ups ever assembled in one room yet the numbers weren't great .

R&B venues should be small , cosy clubs , hot and sweaty with club hours , ie starting late and finishing at 3ish with maximum intensity and no let up in the music at all ..... That , for me is what an R&B club is

I think Bidds needs a second room..... The toilets would be excellent for a modern room.

I'd be happy if the toilets were good enough to be used as toilets

I'd be happy if the toilets were good enough to be used as toilets

its like that at many venues...ill certainly be playing some rnb at york on friday night

hope your well steve

moldie

RnB is dead

RIP RnB

I do hope so...........................

Simon youre a good bloke mate but how can you say R&B is dead on this post and then say Joe 90 is a good record

IMHO the scene now is dominated by close mind sets which dictate that you are either in to this or that almost exclusively

I can listen to almost anything ( still havent found a modern tune I like although many have tried to convince me otherwise ) and love Bidds because of its varied policy all in one room

I remember people at Wigan waiting for Mr Ms to open because they didnt want to hear the stuff in the main room, so things havent changed that much. I also remember falling out with one of my mates Mick Coombes when he sold all his northern records and took up modern instead

Lots of venues played R&B tunes in a one room environment over the years with some cracking records being played, Parr Hall used to play its fair share with DJs such as Mark Bicknell playing great records ( for a chelsea fan )

Personally I dont think a lot of alternative rooms would actually stand on their own 2 feet if they were to be taken outside the support of a main venue

I still believe one of the main problems is the proliferation of venues and what seems to be unnecessary competition spreading what is a declining audience anyway even further. I dont see the point in 10 venues having 50 people in when 1 venue could have several hundreds with a great atmosphere

I applaude Mace for what he did at Xmas with Radcliffe, although Bidds was originally scheduled to be on Boxing Day but he actually used some common sense and moved Bidds to Radcliife after discussing with Chris creating a single larger audience with the opportunity to hear a different clubs sounds.

Could this be the way forward with one venue hosting rooms from different clubs all working collaboratively????

Next Sat we have Bidds, Six Hills and Loughborough mini nighter ( a term I never understand). Chances are Bidds will be as busy as ever but will be interesting to see how punters split between Six Hills & Loughborough ( with some of the Djs being on at both venues I believe)

The R&B scene is quieter than it was from a club perspective based on what I see out and about but the interest in the music seems to be growing enormously if the number of people bidding and buying on Ebay is anything to go by but there does seem to have been a shift into mainland Europe

Yes I did go to Radcliffe last night and there were some awesome tunes played in the R&B room

Edited January 31, 201015 yr by Guest

its like that at many venues...ill certainly be playing some rnb at york on friday night

hope your well steve

moldie

Yes mate good thanks

Did you get the CDs I sent you ???

Yes mate good thanks

Did you get the CDs I sent you ???

omg..i did yes but thought they were from dudley steve..was there 5 of them?

omg..i did yes but thought they were from dudley steve..was there 5 of them?

No mate 3 Cds if a remember rightly ( with no track listing as I was in a hurry to get them posted )

No mate 3 Cds if a remember rightly ( with no track listing as I was in a hurry to get them posted )

in that case not got them as yet.....i got 5 without track lists..mix of stafford and rare stuff

im picking your cds up on sat at kettering....pm me your address and ill get them posted off

I am probably one of the worlds worse for "pigeon holeing" sub genres of our superb musical "vault", particularly from a personal collecting perspective, which I might add incorporates most tastes of the wide range of "styles and eras", however I prefer to attend venues nowadays, that whilst don't deliberately purport to be"cross the board " actually play underplayed/semi known quality soul particularly from the 60's/70's!.......Whilst I enjoy most aspects of all aforementioned sub-genres, I must say that hearing, entire sets of certain sub-genres, leaves me cold....R&B included........even moreso Latin!......Hardhats to the fore!

RnB is dead

definatly not. More R&B played now on the rockabilly/rock,n,roll scene than ever

RnB is dead

RIP RnB

Overheard at Barnsley a week ago, "RnB has run its course now; no one is up for it except the few hardcore cats n thay are getting fewer".

Has the RnB room run its course? Should venue promoters stop flogging a dead horse?

I am not sure of the answers but I don't see too many chocker block RnB rooms, yup it may just be the venues I am visiting, is there a vibrant scene out there or is it dwindeling off?

I think the people that attended the last Luton in December may disagree with that comment. RnB still fits nicely into the soul scene and is deffo still a big part of it.

QoFxx

Luton? Going to have to google map that one brb

Simon, it was a pity you didn't make it to Radcliffe on Saturday night.

The R&B room was very busy with lots of dancers and a great atmosphere every time I went in there.

Surely that's answered your original question then?