Rnb Is Dead

[Mace]

Simon, it was a pity you didn't make it to Radcliffe on Saturday night.

The R&B room was very busy with lots of dancers and a great atmosphere every time I went in there.

Surely that's answered your original question then?

[Guest]

Simon, it was a  pity you didn't make it to Radcliffe on Saturday night.

The R&B room was very busy with lots of dancers and a great atmosphere every time I went in there.

Surely that's answered your original question then? ' />

the rnb played at the gloucester nighter in the main room filled the floor to mace...

moldie

[Nz Soul]

rem the first time i ever heard a out and out r b spot was sause at white heather all niter in about 94

so if its dieing that must b some life support its on

[posstot]

I do hope so...........................

Ask the Man in your avatar what he was singing...He'd almost definately say RnB. RnB and 60's Soul music are basically the same thing. I get very confused when people say they don't like RnB and are dancing to it all night in the main room.??????????????????????

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ALIVE'N'KICKIN]

It's all soul music, so lets all enjoy

[Realpeoplesmusic]

Rnb dead , not a chance!

I had the pleasure of Dj-ing in Barcelona at the 'Boiler club' and I can honestly say it's the best night I've played at closely followed by the Pow Wow. There was lots of younger people and a good mix who are into the music/vinyl also people who are just out for a night of dancing to quality music. It was refreshing to see so many young fit women people loving the music for what it is not how rare or expensive it may be .

People shouldn't get boged down with the term Rnb. The key is to play a range of music that makes you want to dance Rnb, Soul, Mod, Boogaloo, Latin etc. It sounds so simple but so many people forget this and before you know it the Rnb room is empty only left with the hardcore punters who are out most weekends and sometimes you cant recover the atmosphere you tried to build up all night. Thing is with northern rooms you find poeple dancing to any old shite but because it's rare or a certain dj plays it they feel obliged to dance .

I always think to myself "what would a group of younger people think if they walked in and heard tunes like Church Street Sally, Jt Parker, Rudy Love, Manny C, The Jokers, The Isonics, Bobby Valentin, Parisians, Danny Owens, Rufus Wood they would be on the dancefloor having a great time.

Long Live Rnb! Long live quality soul music! Modern + Xover will be the one that suffers

Callum

[Guest]

Rnb dead , not a chance!

I had the pleasure of Dj-ing in Barcelona at the 'Boiler club' and I can honestly say it's the best night I've played at closely followed by the Pow Wow. There was lots of younger people and a good mix who are into the music/vinyl also people who are just out for a night of dancing to quality music. It was refreshing to see so many young fit women people loving the music for what it is not how rare or expensive it may be .

People shouldn't get boged down with the term Rnb. The key is to play a range of music that makes you want to dance Rnb, Soul, Mod, Boogaloo, Latin etc. It sounds so simple but so many people forget this and before you know it the Rnb room is empty only left with the hardcore punters who are out most weekends and sometimes you cant recover the atmosphere you tried to build up all night. Thing is with northern rooms you find poeple dancing to any old shite but because it's rare or a certain dj plays it they feel obliged to dance .

I always think to myself "what would a group of younger people think if they walked in and heard tunes like Church Street Sally, Jt Parker, Rudy Love, Manny C, The Jokers, The Isonics, Bobby Valentin, Parisians, Danny Owens, Rufus Wood they would be on the dancefloor having a great time.

Long Live Rnb! Long live quality soul music! Modern + Xover will be the one that suffers

Callum

Having read most of this thread, I have decided that I will indeed twat Simon over the head with my cappuccino.............strangle him with my paisley scarf..........and then run over his plastic vespa with my original italian SX Lambretta.

The bloke is clearly a div.

LOL

M

[Guest becchio]

You dont really know anything about Northern Soul do you callum ?

[Guest]

You dont really know anything about Northern Soul do you callum ?

Maybe he dont, but the question was is "RnB" dead - not " is northern soul dead" was it not ?

And I also think this is another "classic" wind up thread from the trouble maker known as "Si Curden"

but what do I know?

LOL

M

[Guest becchio]

No he "dont" lol. But lets face it there woudnt be an r n b little room "scene" (another meaningless new word ?) piggybacking with its poseurs and crap dancefloors if it wasnt for the main northern (truly across the board ) room he so obviously despises .

[Guest becchio]

And to answer the question. Imo it isnt dead it just needs a slap the old stuff (esp most doowop ! ) strangled and the best bits brought into the main room. If the best bits havnt already been in there all long ! ! ! Call me old fashioned but it should all be in one main room oldies (60s) and newies (70s) together and across the (genres) board . Simples ! Lol. :-] x

[Guest clanger v2]

No he "dont" lol. But lets face it there woudnt be an r n b little room "scene" (another meaningless new word ?) piggybacking with its poseurs and crap dancefloors if it wasnt for the main northern (truly across the board ) room he so obviously despises .

wtf you on about?

It's got nothing to do with 'piggybacking' as you put it.

R&B has been a 'scene' for many years, even before the term 'Northern Soul' was ever invented.

So before you start casting doubt about who knows what about Northern Soul, maybe you should learn a little about it yourself.

And what's with the 'poseurs' comment?

You must have been having a bad day I reckon.

[Mace]

No he "dont" lol. But lets face it there woudnt be an r n b little room "scene" (another meaningless new word ?) piggybacking with its poseurs and crap dancefloors if it wasnt for the main northern (truly across the board ) room he so obviously despises .

Not so sure about that to be honest.....the Mod scene has always embraced many different genres of music, with R&B being a major part of that scene.

The Mod scene evolved long before the Northern Scene....so you could turn that statement on it's head and ask if there would there be any Northern Soul Scene without the likes of the Twisted Wheel club etc?

Who knows?....and more importantly, who actually cares?

[Corbett80]

"Long live quality soul music! Modern + Xover will be the one that suffers"

I don't understand why people keep saying this? Why will one die and the other not?

[Guest Beeks]

But lets face it there woudnt be an r n b little room "scene" (another meaningless new word ?) piggybacking with its poseurs and crap dancefloors if it wasnt for the main northern (truly across the board ) room he so obviously despises .

Who the fuck is this muppet?

SHOO!

[Guest]

You dont really know anything about Northern Soul do you callum ?

He knows more than you,full stop.

[TOAD]

retro mods and there ds

[Little-stevie]

Who the fuck is this muppet?

SHOO!

Don't sit on the fence Beeks

[Guest Beeks]

Don't sit on the fence Beeks

Diplomacy has never been my forte Steve...you know that

[Paul-s]

boxes, boxes, boxes...people always seem to be trying to squeeze tunes into genres and seperate rooms. To me some Northern is pop, some funk is FONK and some r&b is rock n roll. But at the end of the day, i want variety at a night. I dont want 8 hours of just one genre. Live and let live. I definitely prefer djs that can mix it up a bit and aren't themselves stuck in the same (one genre) groove, then i get to hear an interesting spot.

I agree with the put it all in one room attitude and then, as Lonnie Liston Smith said, you can 'Expand your mind'.

[Guest Blackwingedangel]

Rnb dead , not a chance!

I had the pleasure of Dj-ing in Barcelona at the 'Boiler club' and I can honestly say it's the best night I've played at closely followed by the Pow Wow. There was lots of younger people and a good mix who are into the music/vinyl also people who are just out for a night of dancing to quality music. It was refreshing to see so many young fit women people loving the music for what it is not how rare or expensive it may be .

People shouldn't get boged down with the term Rnb. The key is to play a range of music that makes you want to dance Rnb, Soul, Mod, Boogaloo, Latin etc. It sounds so simple but so many people forget this and before you know it the Rnb room is empty only left with the hardcore punters who are out most weekends and sometimes you cant recover the atmosphere you tried to build up all night. Thing is with northern rooms you find poeple dancing to any old shite but because it's rare or a certain dj plays it they feel obliged to dance .

I always think to myself "what would a group of younger people think if they walked in and heard tunes like Church Street Sally, Jt Parker, Rudy Love, Manny C, The Jokers, The Isonics, Bobby Valentin, Parisians, Danny Owens, Rufus Wood they would be on the dancefloor having a great time.

Long Live Rnb! Long live quality soul music! Modern + Xover will be the one that suffers

Callum

Well said Callum!

No he "dont" lol. But lets face it there woudnt be an r n b little room "scene" (another meaningless new word ?) piggybacking with its poseurs and crap dancefloors if it wasnt for the main northern (truly across the board ) room he so obviously despises .

Name calling is SO childish you knob!!!

Not so sure about that to be honest.....the Mod scene has always embraced many different genres of music, with R&B being a major part of that scene.

The Mod scene evolved long before the Northern Scene....so you could turn that statement on it's head and ask if there would there be any Northern Soul Scene without the likes of the Twisted Wheel club etc?

Who knows?....and more importantly, who actually cares?

Exactly Mr Mason, just get out there & enjoy the music (of whatever genre)

Oh and Toad,I may take your comment more seriously if you could actually spell!!

[Guest becchio]

I very much doubt it ken !

[Guest bish]

Ask the Man in your avatar what he was singing...He'd almost definately say RnB. RnB and 60's Soul music are basically the same thing. I get very confused when people say they don't like RnB and are dancing to it all night in the main room.??????????????????????

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited February 2, 2010 by bish

[Guest becchio]

"exactly. . " rah rah rah and all the backslapping BS and on and on it goes !

[Soulgirl85]

Rnb dead , not a chance!

I had the pleasure of Dj-ing in Barcelona at the 'Boiler club' and I can honestly say it's the best night I've played at closely followed by the Pow Wow. There was lots of younger people and a good mix who are into the music/vinyl also people who are just out for a night of dancing to quality music. It was refreshing to see so many young fit women people loving the music for what it is not how rare or expensive it may be .

People shouldn't get boged down with the term Rnb. The key is to play a range of music that makes you want to dance Rnb, Soul, Mod, Boogaloo, Latin etc. It sounds so simple but so many people forget this and before you know it the Rnb room is empty only left with the hardcore punters who are out most weekends and sometimes you cant recover the atmosphere you tried to build up all night. Thing is with northern rooms you find poeple dancing to any old shite but because it's rare or a certain dj plays it they feel obliged to dance .

I always think to myself "what would a group of younger people think if they walked in and heard tunes like Church Street Sally, Jt Parker, Rudy Love, Manny C, The Jokers, The Isonics, Bobby Valentin, Parisians, Danny Owens, Rufus Wood they would be on the dancefloor having a great time.

Long Live Rnb! Long live quality soul music! Modern + Xover will be the one that suffers

Callum

good point callum , i think my point also was that a lot of people would like to see modern faded out! for me also its about people enjoying themselves to great dance music , be it northern , RnB , or just anything thats great to dance too! but couldnt see new people ever getting into the scene if they walked into a club packed with 60 year old men dancing to lovey dovey 70´s stuff like tinkerbell on ecstacy , if it was only based around modern i think the scene would definately die off , its thanks to RnB & Uptempo soul music that still gives todays scene a bit of appeal , and in a way coolness!! & would attract young people who had never heard this kind of stuff before!

[Tykarim]

Rnb dead , not a chance!

I had the pleasure of Dj-ing in Barcelona at the 'Boiler club' and I can honestly say it's the best night I've played at closely followed by the Pow Wow. There was lots of younger people and a good mix who are into the music/vinyl also people who are just out for a night of dancing to quality music. It was refreshing to see so many young fit women people loving the music for what it is not how rare or expensive it may be .

People shouldn't get boged down with the term Rnb. The key is to play a range of music that makes you want to dance Rnb, Soul, Mod, Boogaloo, Latin etc. It sounds so simple but so many people forget this and before you know it the Rnb room is empty only left with the hardcore punters who are out most weekends and sometimes you cant recover the atmosphere you tried to build up all night. Thing is with northern rooms you find poeple dancing to any old shite but because it's rare or a certain dj plays it they feel obliged to dance .

I always think to myself "what would a group of younger people think if they walked in and heard tunes like Church Street Sally, Jt Parker, Rudy Love, Manny C, The Jokers, The Isonics, Bobby Valentin, Parisians, Danny Owens, Rufus Wood they would be on the dancefloor having a great time.

Long Live Rnb! Long live quality soul music! Modern + Xover will be the one that suffers

Callum

Hi, Callum!

Great spot at The Boiler!

I'll remind you about the "Modern + Xover" comment in some years time though... R&B, soul, latin, x-over, modern...there's always crap and there's always gold, it's up to you not to restrict yourself when it comes to enjoy quality soulful music...and, as you've got a good ear for choosing your tunes, i'm sure you'll get to appreciate non strictly mod stuff too

Best!

Edu

[Tykarim]

Rnb dead , not a chance!

I had the pleasure of Dj-ing in Barcelona at the 'Boiler club' and I can honestly say it's the best night I've played at closely followed by the Pow Wow. There was lots of younger people and a good mix who are into the music/vinyl also people who are just out for a night of dancing to quality music. It was refreshing to see so many young fit women people loving the music for what it is not how rare or expensive it may be .

People shouldn't get boged down with the term Rnb. The key is to play a range of music that makes you want to dance Rnb, Soul, Mod, Boogaloo, Latin etc. It sounds so simple but so many people forget this and before you know it the Rnb room is empty only left with the hardcore punters who are out most weekends and sometimes you cant recover the atmosphere you tried to build up all night. Thing is with northern rooms you find poeple dancing to any old shite but because it's rare or a certain dj plays it they feel obliged to dance .

I always think to myself "what would a group of younger people think if they walked in and heard tunes like Church Street Sally, Jt Parker, Rudy Love, Manny C, The Jokers, The Isonics, Bobby Valentin, Parisians, Danny Owens, Rufus Wood they would be on the dancefloor having a great time.

Long Live Rnb! Long live quality soul music! Modern + Xover will be the one that suffers

Callum

Hi, Callum!

Great spot at The Boiler!

I'll remind you about the "Modern + Xover" comment in some years time though... R&B, soul, latin, x-over, modern...there's always crap and there's always gold, it's up to you not to restrict yourself when it comes to enjoy quality soulful music...and, as you've got a good ear for choosing your tunes, i'm sure you'll get to appreciate non strictly mod stuff too

Best!

Edu

[Guest Beeks]

i'm sure you'll get to appreciate non strictly mod stuff too

Why do people assume that just because you like R&B you're a Mod?

That's not having a pop it's just not true

Ok yes Callum is a natty dressing Paul Weller wannabe

But I reckon there is a vast proportion of scruffy bastards like me out there too

[Guest becchio]

Because if you JUST like r n b then you probably are ! Beeks. Take a look back at what Callum actually said in that post when he deemed northern soul worthy of a mention. I have never ever seen or know of any of the ns crowd doing that ever ! R n B has always been a part of ns NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. Why dont any of you care for ns the way i do ? Because i honestly dont know . Why do you want seperate r n b rooms . Why ?

[Guest bish]

Have to agree with posstot people say they don't like rnb yet they dance and comment and records that are rnb I have some good kitchen sessions after some niters and sometimes more often than not people say that's good I like that what is it and I just look and say it's that rnb you don't like it's not dead just a bit harder to get across to some peeps who are adament they don't like it

[Stevie]

Because if you JUST like r n b then you probably are ! Beeks. Take a look back at what Callum actually said in that post when he deemed northern soul worthy of a mention. I have never ever seen or know of any of the ns crowd doing that ever ! R n B has always been a part of ns NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. Why dont any of you care for ns the way i do ? Because i honestly dont know . Why do you want seperate r n b rooms . Why ?

I first attended Wigan Casino in 1973 and have enjoyed the music ever since. I now prefer R&B and attend very few Northern nights, so in your view that makes me a mod??

As for R&B always being part of NS, I remember people like Roger Banks emptying dance floors thirteen years or so ago because the vast majority felt R&B shouldn't be played.

I prefer seperate rooms to hear real R&B as opposed to the watered down, played out variety that you hear on the main floor.

If I wasn't so polite, I would say you don't have a clue what you are talking about

[Guest Beeks]

R n B has always been a part of ns NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. Why dont any of you care for ns the way i do ? Because i honestly dont know . Why do you want seperate r n b rooms . Why ?

Without R&B music NS wouldn't even exist Mr Bruschetta...all those soul artist you like playing from your top 500?

The majority started life singing hard hitting R&B

Anyway...i'm not getting into an arguement about R&B/Soul...A lot of 60s soul I love...as do many R&B enthusiasts...everyone has different taste

Callum was just answering the original question 'Is R&B dead'...rather well in fact

Seems to me by your contentious comments you're just trying to get a rise

[Little-stevie]

Without R&B music NS wouldn't even exist Mr Bruschetta...all those soul artist you like playing from your top 500?

The majority started life singing hard hitting R&B

Anyway...i'm not getting into an arguement about R&B/Soul...A lot of 60s soul I love...as do many R&B enthusiasts...everyone has different taste

Callum was just answering the original question 'Is R&B dead'...rather well in fact

Seems to me by your contentious comments you're just trying to get a rise

he aint gonna get a rise off many of you, not after the weekend you have all had

Where is the topic starter then?? does he not want to come back on the question he started???

Does he not feel he's got an answer now....

Edited February 2, 2010 by little-stevie

[Guest becchio]

Lol. Without r n b there woudnt be ANY soul full stop would there ? Im defending the broad church of music that i was brought up on and love. If that makes me contentious so be it ! I say what i like and i dance to what i like in whatever room i choose . If i get sneered at or shunned for that by people on here i coudnt give a flying f***

Edited February 2, 2010 by becchio

[aintgotit]

RnB is dead

RIP RnB

Overheard at Barnsley a week ago, "RnB has run its course now; no one is up for it except the few hardcore cats n thay are getting fewer".

Has the RnB room run its course? Should venue promoters stop flogging a dead horse?

I am not sure of the answers but I don't see too many chocker block RnB rooms, yup it may just be the venues I am visiting, is there a vibrant scene out there or is it dwindeling off?

Oh dear , i hope not , im just getting into it.

Edited February 2, 2010 by whatsthiscalled

[timthemod]

Callum, Mace and Clanger are all right in their differents ways. There's definately a difference as to what R&B is played at difference venues all over the country, almost a north -south divide! Most mod nights in and around London tend to play a number of genres, including R&B, Club Soul, Ska, Funk, Latin, Hammond etc, although there has been a move towards more fifties style R&B and Popcorn at some nights, it really depends which DJ's are spinning.

There's also a big difference in what is the perception of 'R&B' in northern and mod circles. I often see records advertised as the next 'big' R&B sound on a list (some on this site) and it's not a style or sound that's currently popular, it's just the seller trying to move some unwanted stock. It tends to be only the big mod scene tunes that crossover to the northern scene, most tunes played in some venues would never be played out in northern clubs, especially some of the latin, hammond and funk style tunes.

[Guest JIM BARRY]

Callum, Mace and Clanger are all right in their differents ways. There's definately a difference as to what R&B is played at difference venues all over the country, almost a north -south divide! Most mod nights in and around London tend to play a number of genres, including R&B, Club Soul, Ska, Funk, Latin, Hammond etc, although there has been a move towards more fifties style R&B and Popcorn at some nights, it really depends which DJ's are spinning.

There's also a big difference in what is the perception of 'R&B' in northern and mod circles. I often see records advertised as the next 'big' R&B sound on a list (some on this site) and it's not a style or sound that's currently popular, it's just the seller trying to move some unwanted stock. It tends to be only the big mod scene tunes that crossover to the northern scene, most tunes played in some venues would never be played out in northern clubs, especially some of the latin, hammond and funk style tunes.

COULD NOT AGREE MORE,R&B HAS ALWAYS BEEN PLAYED ON THE SOUL SCENE AS A WHOLE. WE EMBRACE ALL GENRES OF SOUL MUSIC, ITS WHAT KEEPS THE SCENE FRESH. .IF THE DJS DIDNT PLAY R&B AS WELL AS A SMATTERING OF LATIN ALA DAVID COLEMAN TYPES OF TUNES AND A DOLLOP OF OF MODERN AND CROSSOVER THEY REALLY WOULD HAVE A VERY LIMITED UP TO DATE PLAYLIST AS AFTER 40 YEARS OF DISCOVERIES THE WELL MUST SURELY BE RUNNING DRY. ALSO R&B TYPE NORTHERN IS THE BEDROCK OF THE MAJOR UPFRONT NITERS. IN CLOSING LIVE AND LET LIVE, THERE IS PLENTY OF MUSIC TO SUIT ALL TASTES., AND ENOUGH OF THE NEEDLESS INSULTS.IT DOES NOT MAKE PLEASANT READING.

[aintgotit]

COULD NOT AGREE MORE,R&B HAS ALWAYS BEEN PLAYED ON THE SOUL SCENE AS A WHOLE. WE EMBRACE ALL GENRES OF SOUL MUSIC, ITS WHAT KEEPS THE SCENE FRESH. .IF THE DJS DIDNT PLAY R&B AS WELL AS A SMATTERING OF LATIN ALA DAVID COLEMAN TYPES OF TUNES AND A DOLLOP OF OF MODERN AND CROSSOVER THEY REALLY WOULD HAVE A VERY LIMITED UP TO DATE PLAYLIST AS AFTER 40 YEARS OF DISCOVERIES THE WELL MUST SURELY BE RUNNING DRY. ALSO R&B TYPE NORTHERN IS THE BEDROCK OF THE MAJOR UPFRONT NITERS. IN CLOSING LIVE AND LET LIVE, THERE IS PLENTY OF MUSIC TO SUIT ALL TASTES., AND ENOUGH OF THE NEEDLESS INSULTS.IT DOES NOT MAKE PLEASANT READING.

I find myself forced to concur with the nouveau riche city pleb above, (as a red myself). So lets cut out the bloody insults, and lets not forget soul could yet, like Manchester city, be one MASSIVE club one day.

[Guest JIM BARRY]

I find myself forced to concur with the nouveau riche city pleb above, (as a red myself). So lets cut out the bloody insults, and lets not forget soul could yet, like Manchester city, be one MASSIVE club one day.

I WILL DRINK TO THAT MY WEMBLEY BOUND COHORT. IT WILL BE NICE TO SEE DUNNY FINALLY HOLDING ALOFT SOME SILVERWHARE.

[Guest Beeks]

So lets cut out the bloody insults, and lets not forget soul could yet, like Manchester city, be one MASSIVE club one day.

The all new bitters are that obsessed with 'liddle ciddy' you just can't stop talking about us can you?!

[Guest JIM BARRY]

The all new bitters are that obsessed with 'liddle ciddy' you just can't stop talking about us can you?!

IV GOT TO ASK, WHATS IDDLE CIDDY?

[Tykarim]

Why do people assume that just because you like R&B you're a Mod?

That's not having a pop it's just not true

Ok yes Callum is a natty dressing Paul Weller wannabe

But I reckon there is a vast proportion of scruffy bastards like me out there too

Hi Beeks,

People that like R&B and have some kind of connection with the rare soul scene are -or have been- mods... with, obviously, the odd exception. And there's nothing wrong with that, as modernism is a great school of music: makes you want to investigate about jazz, jamaican music, latino sounds, R&B and soul. From there, you can shape your own musical taste and follow the evolution of the afro-american musical heritage until today, picking up whatever you think it's great...wich is the true ethos of modernism IMO.

Best!

Edu

[Guest clanger v2]

Nope, can't be bothered.....

Edited February 2, 2010 by clanger v2

[Guest becchio]

I find myself forced to concur with the nouveau riche city pleb above, (as a red myself). So lets cut out the bloody insults , and lets not forget soul could yet, like Manchester city, be one MASSIVE club one day.

why should i andy ? they started it , im sick of the prawn sandwich brigade looking down their snotty noses at us and people dictating who gets played when the punter knows best .

and dont even get me started on music !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Billyboy]

RnB is dead

RIP RnB

RnB is dead....???

RIP RnB.......???

......I am so happy ...I am so happy...I don't know what to.......FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART......-

.......

Edited February 2, 2010 by Billyboy

[Guest]

Early 6ts RnB was paramount then evolved inc in the mix Mod/Freakbeat which then added full blown Stax Atlantic and add Motown into the menu gave us Club Soul followed by the eventual import of rarer 6ts vinyl which evolved to Northern and was then including all of the previous Genres and then crossover Mecca movement then taking a slight step to the rear Stafford rarer scene mollycoddled on for 10 or so years,Weekenders evolved playing all of the previous,then people started adding Modern to main room playlists,

This is when purists ( lovers of rawer soul music) started looking for the roots to hear (RnB and doowop some as near as dammitt Rock n Roll) to play out different rooms where required for differing viewpoints and musical tastes,and as mentioned earlier RnB venues are starting to appear again as they did in the early 6ts eg: Adlib club in Lincoln,so are we evolving or have we just revolved back to where we started,

Just a Viewpoint

and may help people think

Without teaching the kids of today what we started with we wont have a scene to evolve with again

IMO

WELL SAID THAT MAN..........A GOOD HISTORY LESSON NEVER HURT ANYONE

[Guest]

im to lazy to read the other posts. .but will say i reckon lots of people got drawn to r&b when they went to middleton etc an saw a buzzing room and heard differant sounds, me included .......although my r &B EDUCATION STARTED AT THE WILTON ...suprise suprise for some ....i myself THEN got into teen popcorn doowop , anything differant . and have now refined my collecting to the records of all styles i like and buy accordingly........niters are quieter anyway of late, credit crunch, petrol prices , bad weather . old age all play a part ...... R&b aint dieing but its deffo back to the smaller scene that is was a few years ago,. . down south there is a vibrant young scene playing great unknown r&B ..COMPLETLY OVERLOOKED BY THE NORTHERN OLDIES BIG ROOM CROWD............EZZIE . PS SOLD QUITE A FEW R &B RECORDS OF LATE ALL TO EUROPEAN OR SOUTH EAST ENGLAND BASED COLLECTORS

TALKING OF NORTHERN OLDIES, MANY ARE IN FACT RNB.

IT'S ALL IN THE RHYTHM FOLKS.

HOPE SIMON AND AMII FROM STORMIN' SOUL ARE READING ALL THIS. SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE PLENTY OF

FOLLOWERS TO ME.

Edited February 2, 2010 by The Joker

[Guest dundeedavie]

. Why do you want seperate r n b rooms . Why ?

as a rather outspoken R&B fan I don't want separate R&B rooms ... i want separate R&B venues .

i am sick of being in a soul do and hearing "catch that bloody soddin teardrop " as a token gesture . for me R&B has many many facets and goes a lot deeper than most northern punters will ever know and delving into that can only be achieved in separate venues dedicated to exploring R&B , be it 50's , 60's , rockin' etc .

[Realpeoplesmusic]

You dont really know anything about Northern Soul do you callum ?

Bit unfair to say I know nothing about NS i have been travelling far and wide up and down the country/europe to all-niters/mod nights since i was about 16 so for about 7 years. I know it's nothing compared how long some folks have been into it but I do try to find new stuff all the time and not just chase the oldies!

I Dont really know enough about modern or xover, I've treid istening to it but i just cant see the connection to uptempo gritty Rnb/Soul. The only modern track i remotely took an interest to was that one of the remix of the 'Nina Simone' track, sorry forgot the name, anyone know which one i mean?

Cheers

Edited February 2, 2010 by callum_64

[tim smithers]

I miss Pow Wow, I miss the Backbeat room at Middleton, in fact I miss a dedicated all-night R&B venue that gets people excited, involved and walking away talking about what a great night they have had. The R&B room at Radcliffe is certainly the place to be, and has slotted quite nicely into the space that the original Middleton Backbeat room has left. But Radcliffe seems to be the only place at the moment where the additional rooms are supported enough to form a decent atmosphere.

2nd rooms struggle, no matter what the genre, and I'm not sure what the answer is. Maybe it's the co-promotion of an event where the promoters actually target their individual audiences, rather than just a single event with 2 or more rooms. What I have found is that decent soul music grabs the attention of the R&B crowd, and even though alot won't admit to it, decent R&B grabs the attention of the soul crowd.

There's more than enough people out there into their R&B,

The Hideawy, No Way Out and Out of the Blue would / do give me the music I enjoy along with an atmosphere to enjoy myself in, but the soul night hours make it a struggle to justify the 8 hour round trip from London.

Running a dedicated R&B night in London was also a thankless task. Pressure from bar / club owners to bring people in, pressure from the punters to play music they know (unbelievable, I know!). Even inviting the best R&B DJs on the circuit down resulted in punters standing by the side of the dancefloor waiting to hear something they knew, or someone they knew behind the decks, before allowing themselves to have a good night.

Don't get me wrong, we had a handful of storming nights at Hard as Nails, but I was also left with a feeling of embarrassment at times for the attitude towards some of our guest DJs.

There is an R&B / Mod scene in London, but unfortunately I have been to places where I have had to wade through an awful lot of mediocrity before finding the occasional night that comes together and a great time is had by all. There are some great DJs in London, but as someone else has said previously, there is little hunger for new sounds, and the dancefloor dictates what is played.

I don't just think it's London that suffers in this way, I have been to 'Mod' weekenders where it's the same attitude. I remember one DJ building up a great set then looking on in astonishment when JT Parker emptied the floor, because no-one at the time knew it. When he finsihed he said to me 'music of this quality is completely wasted on those cnuts', I make him completely right.

So R&B is struggling, but no more so than Northern / Rare / Modern Soul is struggling. It's all about evolution, and I think R&B realised this and is now attracting a younger sussed crowd (mainly driven by some big European events) and the future doesn't look too bad.

Well said me old mucker