I'm struggling to understand the ever increasing number of people who send PMs asking for records advertised in the sales section yet never make any further contact or pay for them??? Why waste a sellers time and lose them the opportunity of making a genuine sale?

I posted up a sales list recently and had contact from 4 buyers asking for different 45s on the list. Of those 4 buyers one dealt with everything quickly and easily, one emailed me the next day to apologise as they had realised they couldn't afford to pay which although frustrating it allowed me the chance to sell the 45 to somebody else and I always understand and have respect for people for being upfront and honest if they realise they can't complete a deal.....the last two buyers have not paid or even been in touch since their original PM, a growing trend that drives me insane! Not much effort to type a quick note saying 'changed my mind' or 'yes i want it but is it ok to pay in a few days time' etc etc.

Sellers that don't give a decent service or misgrade seem to be fair game but in my experience there's far more bad buyers than there are bad sellers but the bad buyers seem to get brushed under the carpet and very rarely get mentioned. I get far fewer bad buyers on my ebay sales than I get on here and ebay is apparently full of dodgy buyers/bidders whilst soul source buyers are keeping the faith and always defended to the hilt in any posted dispute with sellers.

I'm really looking forward to reading the explanations of these 'buyers' as I'm sure lots of them will want to post and explain why they are complete idiots.....

I'm certainly not a big buyer and am not implicted as I've never had cause to let you down (I Hope). Whilst not condoning the practice, I do think vinyl buying is more of an emotional exercise than a practical one. I can understand someone being swept away by the desire to own a record without reflecting on the more realistic implications of paying for it! I think the emotional angle, and the following embarrassment of economic reality kicking in, is part and parcel of this whole "scene". Emotional desire of ownership will outway economic reality for many a vinyl junkie. I don't think many will recall him but an old mate of mine, Fran Morgan (booby) was due to be married and blew the mortgage installment on a Eddie Garrigan many years ago resulting in a non-wedding. You can pick up eddie garrigan for under £50 now, but at the time he sold a future for it.

Vinyl, don't you love it.

I posted a similar post a few weeks ago...the only answer is "Name and Shame".....warn other sellers about these idiots.

Only problem is that if you do that they will come back with some bullshit like "I have been trying to get hold of you" or "i sent an email but you obviously did`nt get it" etc etc

I am an easy going guy, i dont do this for a living. If you want the record holding for a month or two, just ask and I will do it...no problem.

The problem is that there are just too many wanna be Djs with eyes bigger than their wallets....

STOP ORDERING RECORDS YOU CAN NOT AFFORD!

Chris

Yes, but she's probably big and fat now with varicose veins whilst he's still got the Eddie Garrigan.

ROD

Yes, but she's probably big and fat now with varicose veins whilst he's still got the Eddie Garrigan.

ROD

The disc was always the better looking of the two!

I'm certainly not a big buyer and am not implicted as I've never had cause to let you down (I Hope). Whilst not condoning the practice, I do think vinyl buying is more of an emotional exercise than a practical one. I can understand someone being swept away by the desire to own a record without reflecting on the more realistic implications of paying for it! I think the emotional angle, and the following embarrassment of economic reality kicking in, is part and parcel of this whole "scene". Emotional desire of ownership will outway economic reality for many a vinyl junkie. I don't think many will recall him but an old mate of mine, Fran Morgan (booby) was due to be married and blew the mortgage installment on a Eddie Garrigan many years ago resulting in a non-wedding. You can pick up eddie garrigan for under £50 now, but at the time he sold a future for it.

Vinyl, don't you love it.

Emotional buying is a part of it and as a regular buyer myself I understand how it happens, and if people get in touch and say sorry can't afford it then I have no problem as at least then I know not to expect that money, that I can relist or offer to a second interested buyer and not just be stuck waiting to know if I'll get paid. You've certainly not caused me any problems or let me down mate, well except for time you promised a bevvy of beautiful female dancers would be in attendance for the Attic v Move On showdown and instead all you brought along was Kev

Yes, but she's probably big and fat now with varicose veins whilst he's still got the Eddie Garrigan.

ROD

Edited July 29, 201014 yr by Guest

Emotional buying is a part of it and as a regular buyer myself I understand how it happens, and if people get in touch and say sorry can't afford it then I have no problem as at least then I know not to expect that money, that I can relist or offer to a second interested buyer and not just be stuck waiting to know if I'll get paid. You've certainly not caused me any problems or let me down mate, well except for time you promised a bevvy of beautiful female dancers would be in attendance for the Attic v Move On showdown and instead all you brought along was Kev

One and the same mate, he moves like a whole posse of girls. Lookin forward to the rematch .

Agree with the sentiment of your original post, just doing the late night devil's advocate session. Thin line between reason and madness.

I posted a similar post a few weeks ago...the only answer is "Name and Shame".....warn other sellers about these idiots.

Only problem is that if you do that they will come back with some bullshit like "I have been trying to get hold of you" or "i sent an email but you obviously did`nt get it" etc etc

I am an easy going guy, i dont do this for a living. If you want the record holding for a month or two, just ask and I will do it...no problem.

The problem is that there are just too many wanna be Djs with eyes bigger than their wallets....

STOP ORDERING RECORDS YOU CAN NOT AFFORD!

Chris

I did name and shame on your previous thread Chris and was only person who did I think, end result was zero payments or apologies from those I named, 7 emails saying how much they were looking forward to seeing me at a venue very soon (which was strange as if they put their name on the email it would have been much easier to find them and introduce myself) and one person turned out to have had genuine personal reasons for it and I apologised on the thread.

I'd have no problem naming again though.

There has always been an anoying element of this, but your right it has increased. Economic climate can always be used as one reason, people seeing things they really want and then in the cold light of day not having the money.

The thing that gets me most is the lack of communication, if some one is having a problem paying, just say and in most cases I'll put on hold, or take stage payments. But to just not responed to emails, messages etc, is plain rude.

Fortunatly, I still find those that act like this to be a very small number.

Dave

I understand the frustration here Adam and know I've never caused anyone any issues, mainly because I think hard and long about any substantial purchase. It has cost me long searched for want in the past that it turned out I could have afforded and should have commited to straight away. I'd rather be that kind of buyer than ever let anyone down.

Having said all that your post does remind me of an old guy called Sid. He ran the Inglenook pub in Toxteth for me many moons ago and often used to say "this job would be perfect if it wasn't for the customers"

Keep your chin up and don't let the few people with a lack of ability to communicate get you down.

Why not give those who ask for a record 24 hours (or whatever you stipulate) to respond to the "yes it's yours" reply with either the cash or further instructions or request to hold until they get paid or whatever excuse? State this in your original sales topic and simply follow to the letter. You can put "on hold" in the topic (as some already do) and remove the "on hold" if you don't hear from them within whatever time you stipulate.

maybe we should have a separate topic to name and shame, both dealers and buyers

or if you feel that strongly you could name and shame on your sales topic, this was bought by such and such and I've not heard from them so relisting?

"this job would be perfect if it wasn't for the customers"

My experience exactly when running that stall in Manchester.

People putting records away and not turning up to pick them up. I am, despite scurrilous rumours, very easy-going but sometimes even I had had enough and put stuff back on sale. The then buyer would eventually show his face and you'd think I'd chopped up his children and fed them to his wife. I'd point out that when he said he'd be in Thursday I'd kinda assumed he meant within the current fiscal year. Most, after an unseemly tantrum, were apologetic so I usually relented and they'd then buy a couple and put another lot away which they didn't turn up for either.

Coupled with "why didn't you tell me you had that" and "why did you sell it to him and not me" plus their inability to solve even the easiest clue in the Guardian cryptic crossword has contributed to my rather juandiced view of record buyers.

Having said that though only one guy on here has failed to stump up and as it was only £8 no big deal.

ROD

Why not give those who ask for a record 24 hours (or whatever you stipulate) to respond to the "yes it's yours" reply with either the cash or further instructions or request to hold until they get paid or whatever excuse? State this in your original sales topic and simply follow to the letter. You can put "on hold" in the topic (as some already do) and remove the "on hold" if you don't hear from them within whatever time you stipulate.

Hi Chalky,

I do use a standard 'terms and conditions' on my sales lists posted on here, like this:

Price includes UK special delivery on the more expensive 45s or recorded delivery on those under £100. For registered airmail please add £5

Money back guarantee offered on everything I sell.

Payment by paypal only please, within 24 hours or it will be made available for other buyers. Please DON'T send gift payments.

Seems to make little difference and whilst I often mark items as on hold and could after 24 hours remove the on hold text next to a particular 45 I think most sellers would agree that majpority of sales from lists are made within the first few hours of posting as after that the list is lost at the bottom of page 1 or even onto page 2 of the sales forum so it's very unlikely another buyer will come forward.

If you havent got the money dont buy it or offer to buy it......it's not rocket science.Id like to own some rare pieces of art...I wouldnt go to Sothebys, spend all day looking at the catalogues and start bidding on the Monet and then run out the door when it came to paying up...........this is the cyber equivalent (without the bidding).By the way e bay sellers beware of fake you have been paid paypal e mails....I got stung for £40 recently on a reggae lp and the buyer being in London I went to visit him with a few friends.It was a Polish squat in Shoreditch.

Check his feedback https://myworld.ebay.co.uk/alhidek/

Edited July 30, 201014 yr by wiggyflat

"this job would be perfect if it wasn't for the customers"

My experience exactly when running that stall in Manchester.

ROD

It wasnt in Aflecks Palace was it Rod?

If so, are you the grump who moaned that the All About Eve rarity I wanted to buy, was pinned right at the top of the wall, and you'd "have to get a ladder to reach it".

It wasnt in Aflecks Palace was it Rod?

If so, are you the grump who moaned that the All About Eve rarity I wanted to buy, was pinned right at the top of the wall, and you'd "have to get a ladder to reach it".

It was in Affleck's yes. I've googled "All about Eve" and they appear to be a rock group and I only sold soul/R&B/hip-hop/house so it couldn't have been me. There were a few other record places in there.

However had you sauntered up with an "All about Eve" rarity under your arm and I'd noticed it I would have had you escorted from the building. I had Otis Williams, Melvin Franklin and Ron Tyson in one day so obviously I had standards to keep up.

ROD

Hi Chalky,

I do use a standard 'terms and conditions' on my sales lists posted on here, like this:

Price includes UK special delivery on the more expensive 45s or recorded delivery on those under £100. For registered airmail please add £5

Money back guarantee offered on everything I sell.

Payment by paypal only please, within 24 hours or it will be made available for other buyers. Please DON'T send gift payments.

Seems to make little difference and whilst I often mark items as on hold and could after 24 hours remove the on hold text next to a particular 45 I think most sellers would agree that majpority of sales from lists are made within the first few hours of posting as after that the list is lost at the bottom of page 1 or even onto page 2 of the sales forum so it's very unlikely another buyer will come forward.

I do agree that many sales are made when the list is fresh but I don't think the sales list does get lost, those interested in sales will read them all and go down the list. I know plenty who don't use soul source except for the sales topics. They read them all, they don't read other forums except for the odd occasion and don't post on here. How it works now is fine as far as I'm concerned as it stops the pointless "just giving this a bump" type posts many used to post. They still show on the front page when they are bumped.

I enjoy sending people descriptions of the requested tune together with the asking price and then not hearing back from them.

Can't beat good manners.

I'm struggling to understand the ever increasing number of people who send PMs asking for records advertised in the sales section yet never make any further contact or pay for them??? Why waste a sellers time and lose them the opportunity of making a genuine sale?

I posted up a sales list recently and had contact from 4 buyers asking for different 45s on the list. Of those 4 buyers one dealt with everything quickly and easily, one emailed me the next day to apologise as they had realised they couldn't afford to pay which although frustrating it allowed me the chance to sell the 45 to somebody else and I always understand and have respect for people for being upfront and honest if they realise they can't complete a deal.....the last two buyers have not paid or even been in touch since their original PM, a growing trend that drives me insane! Not much effort to type a quick note saying 'changed my mind' or 'yes i want it but is it ok to pay in a few days time' etc etc.

Sellers that don't give a decent service or misgrade seem to be fair game but in my experience there's far more bad buyers than there are bad sellers but the bad buyers seem to get brushed under the carpet and very rarely get mentioned. I get far fewer bad buyers on my ebay sales than I get on here and ebay is apparently full of dodgy buyers/bidders whilst soul source buyers are keeping the faith and always defended to the hilt in any posted dispute with sellers.

I'm really looking forward to reading the explanations of these 'buyers' as I'm sure lots of them will want to post and explain why they are complete idiots.....

I hope that this doesn't include myself?

As all I did was ask if a record was still available. To which you kindly responded ....

"Hi Phil,

Yes it's still here mate so yours if you want it . Price includes postage and my paypal account to send payment to is: sales@soulsupermarket.co.uk

Cheers,

Adam. "

This was in no way me "buying" or offering to buy said record. Merely an enquiry as to its availability.

Phil

I hope that this doesn't include myself?

As all I did was ask if a record was still available. To which you kindly responded ....

"Hi Phil,

Yes it's still here mate so yours if you want it . Price includes postage and my paypal account to send payment to is: sales@soulsupermarket.co.uk

Cheers,

Adam. "

This was in no way me "buying" or offering to buy said record. Merely an enquiry as to its availability.

Phil

Why enquire about availability if you don't want to buy it?

'This was in no way me "buying" or offering to buy said record. Merely an enquiry as to its availability.'

You've lost me on that one Phil. Why would you ask if it's still available other than to buy it?

If you havent got the money dont buy it or offer to buy it......it's not rocket science.Id like to own some rare pieces of art...I wouldnt go to Sothebys, spend all day looking at the catalogues and start bidding on the Monet and then run out the door when it came to paying up...........this is the cyber equivalent (without the bidding).By the way e bay sellers beware of fake you have been paid paypal e mails....I got stung for £40 recently on a reggae lp and the buyer being in London I went to visit him with a few friends.It was a Polish squat in Shoreditch.

Check his feedback https://myworld.ebay.co.uk/alhidek/

I picked up a Mars Bar in Boots the other day and was asked "Did i want to buy it?" by the overly made up assistant.My reply was that i had another to look at in WH Smiths,and would get back to her.

I picked up a Mars Bar in Boots the other day and was asked "Did i want to buy it?" by the overly made up assistant.My reply was that i had another to look at in WH Smiths,and would get back to her.

I regularly help myself to the pick and mix. Tyre kicking innit?

Edited July 30, 201014 yr by Matt Male

Why enquire about availability if you don't want to buy it?

Because I was "thinking" aboiut buying it.

If I had definitely wanted to buy it I would have said "Thanks I'll take it".

I assumed the seller understood this when he said "Yes it's still here mate so yours if you want it ."

The "if" being the important word.

Phil

'This was in no way me "buying" or offering to buy said record. Merely an enquiry as to its availability.'

You've lost me on that one Phil. Why would you ask if it's still available other than to buy it?

Because I was "thinking" about buying it.

If I had definitely wanted to buy it I would have said "Thanks I'll take it".

I assumed the seller understood this when he said "Yes it's still here mate so yours if you want it ."

The "if" being the important word.

Phil

I have sold a few records on here and in no way do I assume that someone enquiring if a record is still available is a cast iron contractual offer to purchase.

Fooks sake. The are some very odd opinions on here..

If everyone who made an enquiry into my business bought I'd be very rich.

Phil

I hope that this doesn't include myself?

As all I did was ask if a record was still available. To which you kindly responded ....

"Hi Phil,

Yes it's still here mate so yours if you want it . Price includes postage and my paypal account to send payment to is: sales@soulsupermarket.co.uk

Cheers,

Adam. "

This was in no way me "buying" or offering to buy said record. Merely an enquiry as to its availability.

Phil

Actually Phil it does include you. My reason for that is you asked:

Hi,

Do you still have ******* available?

Cheers

Phil

Two hours later I replied with the message you've quoted in one of your posts. I didn't assume you were going to buy the record, but I did assume you would have the common courtesy to let me know either way. Yet that was 4 days ago and your post on here is the only thing I've heard from you in that time.

I always reply to threads, or lists for that matter, with "I'll take x,y and z if they're still available. If so send me a total for paypal inc postage to the UK"

They reply and I send payment.

If I can't afford it I'd rather not know its still available calling me to come and buy it like some siren voice.

I'm struggling to understand the ever increasing number of people who send PMs asking for records advertised in the sales section yet never make any further contact or pay for them??? Why waste a sellers time and lose them the opportunity of making a genuine sale?

I posted up a sales list recently and had contact from 4 buyers asking for different 45s on the list. Of those 4 buyers one dealt with everything quickly and easily, one emailed me the next day to apologise as they had realised they couldn't afford to pay which although frustrating it allowed me the chance to sell the 45 to somebody else and I always understand and have respect for people for being upfront and honest if they realise they can't complete a deal.....the last two buyers have not paid or even been in touch since their original PM, a growing trend that drives me insane! Not much effort to type a quick note saying 'changed my mind' or 'yes i want it but is it ok to pay in a few days time' etc etc.

Sellers that don't give a decent service or misgrade seem to be fair game but in my experience there's far more bad buyers than there are bad sellers but the bad buyers seem to get brushed under the carpet and very rarely get mentioned. I get far fewer bad buyers on my ebay sales than I get on here and ebay is apparently full of dodgy buyers/bidders whilst soul source buyers are keeping the faith and always defended to the hilt in any posted dispute with sellers.

I'm really looking forward to reading the explanations of these 'buyers' as I'm sure lots of them will want to post and explain why they are complete idiots.....

I guess they'll be known as the spice girls/boys Sorry I meant the wanna be's:lol:

Actually Phil it does include you. My reason for that is you asked:

Hi,

Do you still have ******* available?

Cheers

Phil

I don't sell records but if I did I would assume you wanted to buy it if you had said the above to me.

Why would you ask otherwise?

Maybe you should wait until you know for sure you want to buy something before enquiring

I don't sell records but if I did I would assume you wanted to buy it if you had said the above to me.

Why would you ask otherwise?

Maybe you should wait until you know for sure you want to buy something before enquiring

Do you still have " your wish is my command" - the inspirations - Midas ATB John

Do you still have " your wish is my command" - the inspirations - Midas ATB John

I do

I think clear communication is key from buyer and seller - it avoids misunderstandings and messy consequences..

The thing that really astonishes me is the Wants section.

I'm positive some people stick up a want for some weird kick, because on many occasions you respond to their want and never hear a dickie bird.

People are strange Mr Morrison..

Greg.

'This was in no way me "buying" or offering to buy said record. Merely an enquiry as to its availability.'

You've lost me on that one Phil. Why would you ask if it's still available other than to buy it?

I agree and if the seller had the decency to respond then you could at least have the courtesy to respond again with a quick and simple "thanks".

I think clear communication is key from buyer and seller - it avoids misunderstandings and messy consequences..

The thing that really astonishes me is the Wants section.

I'm positive some people stick up a want for some weird kick, because on many occasions you respond to their want and never hear a dickie bird.

People are strange Mr Morrison..

Greg.

I've stopped responding to wants Greg unless I know and trust those asking. I used to reply with yes and for instance a cheap £75. Then a reply would come back with oh only looking to spend £25. If not serious about a want and willing to pay the going rate or thereabouts then they shouldn't bother in the first place

Do you still have " your wish is my command" - the inspirations - Midas ATB John

Reminds me of a Viz character Norbert Colon......do you sell records ie small plastic/vinyl objects that are placed on machines what are commonly known as record decks and do you have any particular items that were popular in the northern regions of seventies working class Britain? .....yes,what do you want?......I do not want to purchase any of the said items...i was merely enquiring whether these were the wares you were offering..........

I don't sell records but if I did I would assume you wanted to buy it if you had said the above to me.

Why would you ask otherwise?

Maybe you should wait until you know for sure you want to buy something before enquiring

OK, though why I feel I have to explain myself, I don't know. As some of the thoughts on how people should behave bears no resemblance to how things are in the real world

Actually in this case there were two people who had the same record (one on this site the other not). I was checking the availibility of this one in case the other fell through.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I never offered to buy the record, merely enquired as to whether it was still available.

I see nothing wrong with that. I made no offer to purchase it, I never stated an intent to purchase it. Just asked if it was available. If the seller had sold it after I sked as to its availaibility, then would that be wrong? Of course not! As I never committed to anything. Just asked a question..

I buy a LOT of records from many people, including a few on here, I have never come across such sensitivity at a mere enquiry as to a record's availaibility.

Phil

Edited July 30, 201014 yr by phild

Actually Phil it does include you. My reason for that is you asked:

Hi,

Do you still have ******* available?

Cheers

Phil

Two hours later I replied with the message you've quoted in one of your posts. I didn't assume you were going to buy the record, but I did assume you would have the common courtesy to let me know either way. Yet that was 4 days ago and your post on here is the only thing I've heard from you in that time.

If I had said I was going to buy it, asked you to hold it or even said that I actually did want it. Then I would understand your frustration. I didn't do any of those things.

Apologies for causing you such upset. I won't trouble you with any further enquiries.

Phil

OK, though why I feel I have to explain myself, I don't know. As some of the thoughts on how people should behave bears no resemblance to how things are in the real world

Actually in this case there were two people who had the same record (one on this site the other not). I was checking the availibility of this one in case the other fell through.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I never offered to buy the record, merely enquired as to whether it was still available.

I see nothing wrong with that. I made no offer to purchase it, I never stated an intent to purchase it. Just asked if it was available. If the seller had sold it after I sked as to its availaibility, then would that be wrong? Of course not! As I never committed to anything. Just asked a question..

I buy a LOT of records from many people, including a few on here, I have never come across such sensitivity at a mere enquiry as to a record's availaibility.

Phil

Phil.

If I pm'd someone asking them if a record was still available it would be because I wanted it.

If they then went on to sell it to someone else I would be a bit pissed.

That is just the way I see it. You obviously see it differently.

In any business in any walk of life you make an enquiry, you get a reply, you thank the person who replied with I'll get back to you etc etc. Its common courtesy.

OK, though why I feel I have to explain myself, I don't know. As some of the thoughts on how people should behave bears no resemblance to how things are in the real world

Actually in this case there were two people who had the same record (one on this site the other not). I was checking the availibility of this one in case the other fell through.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I never offered to buy the record, merely enquired as to whether it was still available.

I see nothing wrong with that. I made no offer to purchase it, I never stated an intent to purchase it. Just asked if it was available. If the seller had sold it after I sked as to its availaibility, then would that be wrong? Of course not! As I never committed to anything. Just asked a question..

I buy a LOT of records from many people, including a few on here, I have never come across such sensitivity at a mere enquiry as to a record's availaibility.

Phil

Sorry Phil, I'd have felt the same as Adam if it'd have been me.

Im not defending or supporting any one here. i sell machinery we get enquiries that lead to proposals and some times we can not get any response by email phone or letter after we have quoted drives us mad the ignorance of some people. if any one works for a profiling company my apologies i did not mean you;)

If I had said I was going to buy it, asked you to hold it or even said that I actually did want it. Then I would understand your frustration. I didn't do any of those things.

Apologies for causing you such upset. I won't trouble you with any further enquiries.

Phil

What a loss to me that will be, no more enquiries asking if one of my sales is still available with no follow up to let me know if you want it or not. Jeez, how will I ever cope with the loss of business PMs.

As for your comments that this in no way reflects the way business is done in real life well in real life would you phone John Manship and ask if a he still had xyz record for sale and then when he said yes just hang up the phone? Or at a venue ask one of the dealers if they had a record for sale and then just walk away when they replied? Those two examples are pretty much the same as sending a PM asking if a record is available and then never responding to the answer from the seller....

Phil.

If I pm'd someone asking them if a record was still available it would be because I wanted it.

If they then went on to sell it to someone else I would be a bit pissed.

That is just the way I see it. You obviously see it differently.

I obviously do see it differently.

I've had a few records for sale on here. No way do I take an enquiry to be a sale or a commitment.

Phil

What a loss to me that will be, no more enquiries asking if one of my sales is still available with no follow up to let me know if you want it or not. Jeez, how will I ever cope with the loss of business PMs.

As for your comments that this in no way reflects the way business is done in real life well in real life would you phone John Manship and ask if a he still had xyz record for sale and then when he said yes just hang up the phone? Or at a venue ask one of the dealers if they had a record for sale and then just walk away when they replied? Those two examples are pretty much the same as sending a PM asking if a record is available and then never responding to the answer from the seller....

Nice attitude. I do make lot of enquiries. I also buy a lot of records. More enquiries than purchases I admit, but still 10-15 purchases a week.

As for your question about phoning John Manship and hanging up the phone. I have done pretty much exactly that with him and other sellers - ie enquired about a records availaibility and not bought it. Doesn't everyone?. You look around, check availability and then make the purchase (or not) that suits you.

Maybe I am missing something. If I had committed to buy from you, or asked you to hold it then I that's a different matter. But I didn't.

In my business i get many enquiries that lead to nothing. If I genuinely feel that a sale is possible then I, as the seller, follow up. I don't chastise a prospective customer for not getting back to me. If I did then they would not become a customer.

Why should the Strange World Of Northern Soul be any different?

Phil

Actually Phil it does include you. My reason for that is you asked:

Hi,

Do you still have ******* available?

Cheers

Phil

Two hours later I replied with the message you've quoted in one of your posts. I didn't assume you were going to buy the record, but I did assume you would have the common courtesy to let me know either way. Yet that was 4 days ago and your post on here is the only thing I've heard from you in that time.

Can I draw your attention to the title of your thread "I'd Like To Order A Record Please.... but will not pay or make any further contact"

1. I never ordered any record, or indicated that I would like to order a record - you clearly understood this as in your reply you said "Yes it's still here mate so yours if you want it". I clearly didn't want it or I would have replied.

2. Never refused to pay as I never ordered anything so no payment was due

3. There was no need to make any further contact until there was any further action to be taken, as I didn't want it.

Simple?

Phil

Edited July 30, 201014 yr by phild

Phil Dick has purchased a a number of VERY expensive 45's of me over the last 2 years, his payments are very prompt like 3 mins after a deals been done.

We barter however my rule of thumb is unless I have cleared funds it aint a deal.

PD

Nice attitude. I do make lot of enquiries. I also buy a lot of records. More enquiries than purchases I admit, but still 10-15 purchases a week.

As for your question about phoning John Manship and hanging up the phone. I have done pretty much exactly that with him and other sellers - ie enquired about a records availaibility and not bought it. Doesn't everyone?. You look around, check availability and then make the purchase (or not) that suits you.

Maybe I am missing something. If I had committed to buy from you, or asked you to hold it then I that's a different matter. But I didn't.

In my business i get many enquiries that lead to nothing. If I genuinely feel that a sale is possible then I, as the seller, follow up. I don't chastise a prospective customer for not getting back to me. If I did then they would not become a customer.

Why should the Strange World Of Northern Soul be any different?

Phil

Can I draw your attention to the title of your thread "I'd Like To Order A Record Please.... but will not pay or make any further contact"

1. I never ordered any record, or indicated that I would like to order a record - you clearly understood this as in your reply you said "Yes it's still here mate so yours if you want it". I clearly didn't want it or I would have replied.

2. Never refused to pay as I never ordered anything so no payment was due

3. There was no need to make any further contact until there was any further action to be taken, as I didn't want it.

Simple?

Phil

You're missing my point Phil, when you phone John and ask after a record and he says yes I've got one for sale...do you say 'thanks John, I'll let you know if I decide to buy it' or say nothing and put the phone down? I assume you say thanks and aren't actually ignorant enough to hang up without giving any kind of reply?

The thread title is a general moan about lack of payment from some buyers, it wasn't directly aimed at you, if it was it would have read 'I'd like to enquire about a record......but will not not have the manners to let you know if I actually want it or not'. Plus I did not chastise you, the threads first post mentions no buyer or prospective buyer by name or username. It was your choice to ask if your enquiry was included in my comments about people not making any contact.

As for your numbered points,

1. As I said in an earlier post I did not assume you were going to buy the record but did assume you would let me know either way. Once I received your PM the record goes on hold until I hear back from you, I have to do this because many enquiries such as yours are made because people want to buy the record and they would be very annoyed if I sold it to someone else after they asked about it. So until I know for certain if you intend to purchase or not I can't sell it to anyone else.

2. I never said you refused to pay. I said you showed a lack of manners by not making any further contact.

3. There was a need to make further contact because unless you do how am I meant to know you don't want it?

Simple?

I obviously do see it differently.

I've had a few records for sale on here. No way do I take an enquiry to be a sale or a commitment.

Phil

At least now people will know how to handle an enquiry from you in the future

I do

I take it thats not a yes I will sell it then???

At least now people will know how to handle an enquiry from you in the future

They won't need to. I won't bother, other than from people I know already aren't so bleeding sensitive.

This site is like a total fucking madhouse.

if you're in with the in crowd then you can do whatever you want. If you're not then you better watch what you do or say, particularly if it involves one of the illuminati either directly or indirectly. Or even if they are not at all involved but have an opinion.

Sickening really.

Phil