45cellar Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Title: superlatives - i still love youArtist: superlativesTrack: i still love youLabel: uptite Record information: Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
debc Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Can anyone tell me how to tell the pale blue uptite copy from a bootleg? I believe its this copy that got booted? Any label scans to help? Much appreciated! Deb Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 There is a little mark in the deadwax and it says something like MatrixAudio but its not stamped in full. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Seaman Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Think the blue bootleg had Italic writing on Uptite bit, original was in capitals and had 2 lines, although last of the 3rd presses was in Italic too !! all were vinyl and flat run in's Ths stamp is very hard to see and make out on a lot of copys as it looked like it missed or was stamped on a bad angle. Original vinyl was flat too, the bootleg had a bevelled run in JM guide says original blue copys were thin vinyl but i have had thick & thin ones. the last boot had a bright blue label and was styrene. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
ShorterSoul Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Think the blue bootleg had Italic writing on Uptite bit, original was in capitals and had 2 lines. Original vinyl was flat too, the bootleg had a bevelled run in JM guide says original blue copys were thin vinyl but i have had thick & thin ones. the last boot had a bright blue label and was styrene. I think this was issued in 3 different designs :- Yellow issue - Uptite in italics Blue issue - as above (booted with this design) Blue issue - 2 lines Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
debc Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 This must be a boot then? Definitely vinyl, but its very thin and flat, not bevelled. There is only what looks like an 'R' stamped in the matrix. see label scan below. What do you guys think? Good job I can get me money back... Deb Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 This must be a boot then? Definitely vinyl, but its very thin and flat, not bevelled. There is only what looks like an 'R' stamped in the matrix. see label scan below. What do you guys think? Good job I can get me money back... Deb I think it's right, certainly looks it, and it should be thin vinyl. mines the same Deb, and i got it from a reputable source who got em from the states many years ago steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
debc Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I think it's right, certainly looks it, and it should be thin vinyl. mines the same Deb, and i got it from a reputable source who got em from the states many years ago steve Fantastic! I'll keep it then. If anyone pulls me for playing bootlegs out I'll tell em you told me to just kiddin!! Deb Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 This must be a boot then? Definitely vinyl, but its very thin and flat, not bevelled. There is only what looks like an 'R' stamped in the matrix. see label scan below. What do you guys think? Good job I can get me money back... Deb Yeah I agree, definite Original. Uptite title design is different on the vinyl boot and a slightly different shade of blue. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
debc Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Yeah I agree, definite Original. Uptite title design is different on the vinyl boot and a slightly different shade of blue. Thanks, everyone for your help Deb Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I think this was issued in 3 different designs :- Yellow issue - Uptite in italics Blue issue - as above (booted with this design) Blue issue - 2 lines So the blue issue wih two lines across the middle and the address written under UPTITE was never booted? That's the one i've got but i always assumed it was a boot? I've got a feeling both blue issues were booted. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
debc Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 So the blue issue wih two lines across the middle and the address written under UPTITE was never booted? That's the one i've got but i always assumed it was a boot? I've got a feeling both blue issues were booted. I've been told the blue issue with two lines hasn't been booted. Could be wrong though. I usually am! Sorry I cant help! Deb Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I've been told the blue issue with two lines hasn't been booted. Could be wrong though. I usually am! Sorry I cant help! Deb Hi Deb, I looked at your scan, next to the number in the dead wax do you see a tiny line mark to the right. Its an original keep it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 Hi Deb, I looked at your scan, next to the number in the dead wax do you see a tiny line mark to the right. Its an original keep it. The Original YELOW Copy --<--_Click on Image to Enlarge However, the copy with the 2 Lines has two different presses. The 2nd Lined one, I think is the possible dodgy one, thoughts anyone. --<--_Click on Image to Enlarge --<--_Click on Image to Enlarge -------------Has a smaller Deadwax. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 The Original YELOW Copy --<--_Click on Image to Enlarge However, the copy with the 2 Lines has two different presses. The 2nd Lined one, I think is the possible dodgy one, thoughts anyone. --<--_Click on Image to Enlarge --<--_Click on Image to Enlarge -------------Has a smaller Deadwax. Intresting, didn't know there are two variations of the blue lined copy! My Blue lined copy is like the top one and this came from a very reliable USA contact. My Yellow copy is very like the blue unlined original, nearly indentical apart from colour. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Seaman Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 If you look at the 2 lines on the boot they are higher in comparison to the centre of the record, on the original they are central and equal to the centre hole don't think the thin vinyl bit is right cos i have had thick & thin ones. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Our Kid Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 If you look at the 2 lines on the boot they are higher in comparison to the centre of the record, on the original they are central and equal to the centre hole don't think the thin vinyl bit is right cos i have had thick & thin ones. Odd one this.I had a copy of the two lined lighter one several years ago and seem to recall it was stamped albeit lightly. However if you look at the record timing it is 2.01 on this copy and 2.35 on the other 2!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
debc Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Odd one this.I had a copy of the two lined lighter one several years ago and seem to recall it was stamped albeit lightly. However if you look at the record timing it is 2.01 on this copy and 2.35 on the other 2!!! The plot thickens! So whats the general thought then? Do I keep the copy I got? See Scan above.... Confused... Deb Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Headsy Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 for what it is worth..............same as mine ( R ) thin vinyl etc etc, same as yellow press but blue label ( did they just do a second run ? ) and mine is an original as confirmed by far clevererererepeople than me so just keep it, good luck Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
El Corol Posted May 17, 2008 Share Posted May 17, 2008 I have another 45 on the blue italic UPTITE label with the "R" stamp........exactly the same as my Superlatives 45 and as this is no way a known sound I guess its ok to say the blue unlined 45 with an "R" stamp are legit. Rob Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 I have another 45 on the blue italic UPTITE label with the "R" stamp........exactly the same as my Superlatives 45 and as this is no way a known sound I guess its ok to say the blue unlined 45 with an "R" stamp are legit. Rob Yes. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
claudio Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 https://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showim...=0&format=0 Is this a boot or not? You said there's an Uptite issue with italic writing but is it a boot or not? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 https://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showim...=0&format=0 Is this a boot or not? You said there's an Uptite issue with italic writing but is it a boot or not? Yes - this one is a boot. The only real "italic" ones are the Yellow and Blue copies as detailed in above postings. Cheers Mick Holdsworth https://northern-soul-records.com https://motownsound.co.uk Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
steve Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 https://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showim...=0&format=0 Is this a boot or not? You said there's an Uptite issue with italic writing but is it a boot or not? https://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showim...=0&format=0 My copy is the same as the one in the link run out grooves it says 'JC - U - 250 - A' for ISLY and on the flip 'U - 250 - B - JC, the JC is at the end?? Hope this helps Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mel brat Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Don't forget the initial yellow label vinyl bootleg of "I Still Love You", (C.1973). Plain typo and therefore easy to spot, fortunately! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gigs Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 The Original YELOW Copy --<--_Click on Image to Enlarge However, the copy with the 2 Lines has two different presses. The 2nd Lined one, I think is the possible dodgy one, thoughts anyone. --<--_Click on Image to Enlarge --<--_Click on Image to Enlarge -------------Has a smaller Deadwax. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gigs Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I think on the boot the run time is 201 on the orig is 235 gigs chesterfield Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Kyser Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I think this was issued in 3 different designs :- Yellow issue - Uptite in italics Blue issue - as above (booted with this design) Blue issue - 2 lines We never pressed up any blue labels. Paul Kyser Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted February 11, 2009 Author Share Posted February 11, 2009 We never pressed up any blue labels. Paul Kyser Hi Paul Welcome to Soul Source. Just been reading your Introduction. >>> LINK <<< Regarding "I STILL LOVE YOU" Intriguing, Are you saying that only Yellow Label Copies were pressed WHEN Originally Released, or have I misunderstood. Look forward to your contribution on Soul Source. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 We never pressed up any blue labels. Paul Kyser Paul, I can assure you, the yellow label copy, also comes with a blue label and they were both pressed from the same masterplate. The deadwax width and matrix details are absolutely identical. Did you only recieve yellow copies from the plant? The 2 lined light blue copy with 2:35 time text, I have personally and i know other dealers have found several copies over the years, mostly on the east coast. The 2.01 timed copy is considered a bootleg of unknown origin. It is very possible that someone unbeknown to you and us collectors pressed the lined copy, as that doesn't use the masterplate of the yellow copy. But it does carry a matrix stamp in the deadwax. Unfortunately it wasn't just the Brits who bootlegged records, even as the original was released or shortly after release date. As an example, there is a very suspicious Edwin Starr - Stop Her On Sight - Ric Tic made from vinyl with two lines on the label, which only seems to turn up in L.A. which I'm pretty sure this was a bootleg pressed by a unscrupulous distributor or retail outlet. And of course many Motown hits were bootlegged at the time of release, and countless other labels suffered this intrusion of copyright, it was, after all, a very easy way to make money. We have all the different presses on the shelves at the moment, I just checked the yellow against the blue again and like I say they are identical except for the label colour. A puzzle indeed... I remember talking to a label owner recently who had no idea a record of his was also pressed by a member of the group and sold on. There are so many explanations for different labels and label designs. My expertise is to concentrate on te 45s that were especially bootlegged by Northern Soul dealers to decieve or to look similiar to the original. Once we get into the area of the USA side of replicas, bootlegs or reisssues.. that can be a minefield. May I take this opportunity to congratulate you on some mighty fine productions. I personaly just love Robby Lawson's - I Have Searched - Kyser of of the truly great "undiscovered" soul ballads. John Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony A Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Picked this one up at a flea market in Millville NJ, bloke selling baseball cards, so not a bloke selling records in general $0.50. had a good look round the deadwax, there is a stampmark on this copy, both sides, both identical distance from the matrix No, had under bright lights, magnified, can not make out at all any lettering but it's defo a stamp. Please check your copies and see if anyone can make any letters out. Thanking you in anticipation distances of stamp details. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 What about this one that's currently on ebay, does this look like an original or not? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest allnightandy Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 This is on Ebay at the mo and states it's a 2nd issue looks quite dark https://www.ebay.co.u...=item3a7071d036 and this https://www.popsike.c...60431144975.jpg The "U" is totally different on these two than the original posted one ! And this is differentto any of the others posted ! Paper label on vinyl i recon ? https://www.popsike.c...80491047020.jpg Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 So that's six different versions of this and we're still not 100% which are boots? I thought mine was one of the two blue ones posted by Roger earlier, but now i'm thinking it looks like the last one Andy posted. I'll have to dig it out and post it up tomorrow. I always thought it was a boot, so at least we can rule that one out. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
CRUMB Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 What about this one that's currently on ebay, does this look like an original or not? Just seen this on EBay, I thought this was a boot with the narrow run out & 2.01 running time. Not 100per cent sure though. I wouldn't pay £65 for it anyway. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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