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Winnie, any chance of a precis of the above?
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So to précis what you've said. You were there 4 hours You talked to a lot of people You danced 3 times And it was a good night
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Maybe you could give Sooty some lessons in writing Toc, your post encapsulates everything you're both trying to do, without going at it from the 'War and Peace' perspective (length wise) Whilst
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My first attendance of a Nighter for 10 years.....and Turley's tune spun at Kings Hall...1 of 3 that I danced too during our 4 hours there.....sums up my weekend nicely!!x Thank you all!x
I am writing this post to respond en masse to numerous chats and comments had with folk be they Soulies...Promoters...DJ's and the hidden 'gems' behind the scenes!!x I told all I would 'report' back as to my opinons and findings through SS and this post is it!x It's up for discussion...but...as a seasoned 'journeyman'.....and returning after 10 years...then perhaps...it may suit as an article too?(Mike?x) There is lots to share....after 10 years and updating meself...so no apologies!!x
I consider my feedback 'sensible and measured'. Why? Well...I don't do drugs as I did for All Nighters back in the 90's. I enjoy a joint Publicly and anyone will tell you that Globally...but anything else is reserved for privacy....in me own home and in more intimate settings....for special occasions instead of a meal out and bottle of Bolly....which I recommend for true lovers!x On that basis....I was meeting 'the people'...and as Pete and I were talking to folk about the DVD at Kings Hall....then yes...as Gordon Russell quite rightly points out on occasion....business is business....and Pete and I both take that 'responsibility' serious. Therefore....I went to Kings Hall with my business head on first.....and the 'social' Soul Scene second......and the following is based on that criteria!x
We intended to get to Kings Hall for 9pmish.....but those who travelled via the A14/M6 after 7.45pm....copped 3 diversions.....adding 42 miles....and 2 hours to the journey taking in the wonderful sights of Wolverhampton Town Centre......sigh.....10 minutes too late to miss it the dversion we wos.....£$**(&%"!"&^%((poo.....so we got there after 4 1/2 hours at just after 11pm....and I was genuinely sorry for missing Sean's set and others whom I wanted to catch......bu**er....X
Upon arrival I was met at the door by a Luvly Lady who announced with a huge smile like a 'I remember now moment' a conversation I hadn't been part of........"....ahhhh.....I know who you are now...the Charity Soul doo at Knottingley....!" She then announced her broken toe is fixed....and so I said I wos happy to hear that and she took me £30 quid for the 2 of us!x We had some kit with us...a telly and things to show the DVD.....and headed for the Record room......which has gone since I last went...!! Dealers now 'gel' in the 2nd room with KICKING TUNES accompanying them.......which sadly meant for us.....the environment wasn't conducive to 'talking' with folk about the film!!!! So sadly...and I mean that....we had to seek elsewhere to go!x Pete had never been to a Nighter...or a Soul Night proper....but he knows the craic and mucked in by staying put in the room with our kit whilst I went to seek where to camp....sensibly!! I took that moment to head for the Balcony to take an overview of 'the happening'....but got as far as the steps half way up...and was met by a bouncer and 2 platformed shoed 'teenage' girls...dressed for clubbing and as I looked approachable in me 3/4 length jeans and UJ jacket and hat.....asked if I would teach them too dance......!!!!! The bouncer said he can't help em as it was his first time working a Northern doo...as it was for most of them I discovered!x Their 'husky Joe Lifeguard' poses wilted...or relaxed as the night wore on...which was nice to witness!x
Dancing lessons??? It's been topical on SS in recent months....and I gave my passionate speech to these young Lady's based on taking those comments on board...and my sincere feeling.......and said....'Dancing 'lessons'???" It's a feeeeeeeeling girls.....stand near the edge of the floor....watch others....and let the music move you....it'll happen I promise!!! Nobody gives a to** what you do either....I do me own thing....'naturally'.....just get on with it!!"....and gave them a huuuge re-assuring smile with which the Bouncer nodded in agreement whilst grinning too! I saw them venturing onto the floor about 2 hours later....together....tip toeing and stepping around in their platforms....in time.....job done!!x On my way down from the Balcony I bumped into Sammy on the way up who features on the DVD and on Paul Masons Cultural show t'other week......but I didn't tell him about the girls whom he would have trained...personally i'm sure...hehe!x He was too busy wanting to talk about our 'togetherness'...10 years ago.....which was BRILL....and nice to be remembered so fondly mate....nice 1 Sammy...!!X
When reaching the foyer again....Kev Roberts was chilling there....and I took my chance to shake his hand and genuinely thank him for providing the function for us all!x It was 'kicking'!x He then went beyond what some of you may expect of him....I wasn't surprised as he has always been helpful and friendly when our paths have crossed or needed too since first meeting him in the 90's. I told him of our dilemma and looked to him for a solution....and a superb one he found too....!x He suggested we set up at the entrance to the old corridor where the record rooms used to be! It was right opposite the middle doors to the main room and a perfect place to talk to folk who stopped to watch the film whilst peering through the door at the stage and hearing EVERY TUNE whilst there!!! Thanx Kev.....and indeed....his suggestion and assistance showed no signs of being 'anti' or uncaring with his attitude towards genuine Soulies that some out there consider he may have!x
By now....i'd been about half an hour....during that time...Pete...my Producer friend...had been listening to tunes in the 2nd room......and had a massive 'content' smile on his face as I walked to the bar towards him....because of the tunes he'd been privvy too in that 1/2 hour!!x To impress him....takes some....i dunno who was on during 11pm-11.45ish....but you did it for him......and by default...for me too....THANK YOU!!x
Now...'the night'. No it wasn't played during my 4 hours there.....but....was expecting it any moment.....more later!x We set up...and were MOBBED....soon as!x The Kings Hall 'Management' from the Council...Tim and his good Lady Manager whom I think was called...?? I'llfind out now!x .....I can't thank enough either...X They trusted Pete and I and allowed us access to the corridor which is now firmly locked to get access to a plug socket!! Tim in particular who had just taken over as Duty manager kept returning to make sure we were ok! Luvly fella....and he gave me an update on how the function has fared from his perspective over recent years....and ALL was good! I said during our early chat that I thought the Bouncers 'husky Joe' approach was a bit OTT at the time.....he acknowledged my sentiments! However....as I said...after chatting with many of them as they prowled the corridor....I was able to report to Tim as I left that their attitude and 'stance' had indeed mellowed and become more relaxed as they realised Northern gigs ain't like 'that'!!!x Super stuff too which Tim received warmly...X I gave him and his Lady Manager a copy of the DVD which he was pleased to have and understand more of 'the scene'. As an ex promoter....my findings were that it is all sitting pretty for 2014...and beyond...as far as the Council are concerned!! Nice 1!x
......ooooops......having said that.....erm...I was contacted on Sunday afternoon to be told a punch up had actually occurred between 2 Soulies after we had left....!!! A spat brewing for 30 years I understand but report such in the interests of balance!!! But....in 9 years of promoting....I never had 1 to deal with.....but in the grand scale.....I would believe it a very rare occurrence at Kings Hall too....X
UPDATE/Edit.... I have just spoken to Tim to ask the Lady's name...Janice was it...and I wanted to get their names right!x Thanx Janice!x I gave them a DVD and look forward to their feedback which they have promised to give!!x He just reported that the biggest 'problem' they had for the night was a Young Lady.....who had dislocated her knee cap....whilst dancing..........................................................................! Erm...I thanked him and put the phone down sharpish................hehe!!x
The 4 hours were spent in the corridor greeting old friends and faces and meeting many new ones including many of you 'regulars' who read in here!x In fact there are more readers who said hello....than talkers!x The 'silent majority' spoke...and your opinions were indeed appreciated.....nice 1 all!!x Good friends Ian...Jack....had spent many times on the Mini bus with me over the 9 years I trekked nationally....and it was fantastic to see them both still 'active' and excited by the scene!x Ian has continued his collecting which he re-started after coming to our Soul Nights in Cambridge '93. He had nowhere to go based in Ipswich...and he found a 'home' with us.....and he said i;m responsible for his still 'habit'...of collecting!!x Others commented on his 'quality' collection he has gathered over the past 20 years....but Ian...being a laid back guy....does some DJing....but doesn't like DJing really he said....and I can believe that!x A luvly unassuming fella...and mutual friend to Ted Massey too! Ted waved at us both from the end of the corridor...but I didn't have the chance to meet you Ted or hear your stuff......but Ian said you is 'kicking ass'.....and that mate....is good enuff for me to believe in...he knows his stuff...and people...and his judgement is 'consistent' with folk who have reported back on your input to us all as being 'super'.....to me in the past 20+ years.....as I have said mate!!x Nice 1...and I do look forward to hearing your stuff somewhere soon...and your 'students'.....!!!x
The main room.....as said...ear wigged every tune...and saw all reactions to all...during the 4 hours. The screens i'll mention first. Again...been good debate in here about such things at venues...showing the tunes being played. It was the first time i;d seen such personally....aaaaand.....I HATED IT!!!!!!!!!!!! As a dancer......it took away my 'natural' physical reaction to a tune away....knowing in advance what was coming!! No more would the surprise of trumpets announcing the arrival of The Majestics...be uplifting...or the Frankie Beverly BURST launch u outta ure seat.....for me....the brain took over the groove!!!!!! YES...I see the interest and they are a good thing....to see a label...super....like it. But..it killed me....straight up!! My solution to help dancers and watchers??? Delay the pic until 30 seconds after it kicking off.......simples!!
Naturally...it messed me up! Took away the excitement....and made it...for me....brain active not dance gear. Most dancers I know...feel it.....they just need reminding what it wos afterwards!!x It is a 'dance' venue....and folk go there to do it...I genuinely feel it better to not show the tune in advance.....if it can be avoided!X
As for the tunes I was privvy too......well...I danced 3 times. The first tune was 'Im Not Built That Way...Hesitations....an old favourite spin I had in the 90's.....then Don't Pretend by The Belles...again another old spin......and as I was leaving...telly in hand...Turley came on...which i;d never heard before until in this forum a few months back...and it dragged me back into the room for me last dance!!!!x Although I was busy....and was reserving my energy for the next days Dayer too.....to be very honest.....nothing else made me dance!!x Indeed I would go as far as this.......the DJ's tunes playing n the background of the DVD 10 years ago.....being played by some of those who DJ'd this weekend....pi**ed all over the 'quality' as to what was spun Saturday!! During my 4 hours....so 'obvious' a tune was played one after the other...it;'s a good job the majority where 'on it'...as discussed with Tim the Manager this morning....otherwise...the tunes wouldn't have inspired alone....methinks!x Yes top 500 is the theme.....but to hear the same 50 outta them....pop end too...was disappointing. I heard over 250 tunes on Sunday at the dayer....spun by perhaps 10 + DJ's....and many 'classics'/Oldies among them which packed the floor. Not once did I hear anything from those top 50 obvious...all day!! It is all I heard....and am sad to have to report that. There is no excuse when having an 'easy' appreciative crowd....chomping at the bit for any tune to give it some too...to play just 'any' tune. No real adventure....and as said....Turley....was it for me....the only track i had never heard 'live' or danced too in me life....in 4 hours!!x The DJ's can do better.....listen to yourselves on the DVD 10 years ago......i;m sorry to have dropped in from a time warp or summink....but either you can't be ar*ed....or....realised you didn't need to 'entertain'? Anyone could have turned up and had it away so to speak....but to inspire??? Different thing...and I didn't see anyone do that during my time there......and hoped for better really...X
So...people wise....from Kev...to behind the scene folk...and Soulies....and indeed Ginger..Dave Evison and the few DJ's I spoke with.....from a social perspective......BRILLIANT and thank you all for the welcome back as such!x My comments ain;t personal...strictly business....as Gordon would like it...!!x Business done...which included 62 copy's of the DVD among it all...Pete sorted that!!x His opinion??? He heard more ';quality' in the half hour in the little room than he did in the main room in 4 hours......I am the messenger!x ....but after all we have said...I would recommend going.....and sincerely hope it is there for many a year to come!x I mingled among some of the new kids...and watched their approach....and it is to be encouraged....and supported. They added a sparkle to the occasion and indeed can dance....those not in platforms anyway!!x Great to see...and the dress code too.....I saw a pair of 6 buttoned/3 flap waisters on a young un.....and was dead jel......always wanted a pair....and they looked good!x I waddled off...silly prat in a hat back to the car happily reminiscing about me childhood in me head....which is what Kings Hall seems to be about....so on that basis Kev.....JOB DONE....for me!!!x THANK YOU!!x
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I have to go out for the day.....and will add further with pics the next 'chapter'....featuring lots of happenings on Sunday at a Dayer!!x Including me telling Yvonne Renee to shut up and be looked after....she pi**ed herself on the phone and said she's willing to be told and pampered....love it!!x
I did her...just like she did me...in the 90's....awesome!!!x
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...I also was done in by another Lady this weekend.....and listened to her 'story'...of you all.....and she has one....which perhaps none of you have heard....or considered!!x Mrs Smith.....and thanx to Maslar...for the inspiration!x I will reveal all her opinions on it all too....this evening!!x
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