Rodders22 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) In the early 70s I ordered a copy of HEY SAH-LO-NEY from the Record Supermarket in Eastbank st , Southport,the shop sold ex duke box, motown, and American Imports.The Imports varied in prices from 30p 60p 75p up would, but from a list behind the counter you could order on demand records. I went back a week later to pick it up, and was handed a copy of FREDDIE CANNON-TALLAHASSEE On SWAN label with another label to stick over it. What I can't get my head round is why a legit looking record with different title and artist, with a cheap looking stick on label? I never did put that label on,I think it was a pillar box red with not to much on label. In a early JM bootleg booklet he describes it as one of those little Mysteries surrounding bootlegs. Any thoughts. Rod Clegg happy new year everyone. Edited January 1, 2014 by Rodders22 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dwr Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Can't shed any light on the "Mystery" but remember the shop well. I think the girl who worked in the shop was called Helen and I picked up quite a few decent records from there and remember Hesitations - I'm not built that way on Kapp being one of them! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Shinehead Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I had a copy of the Mickey Lee Lane boot on White Swan , it played as Mickey Lee Lane but the label stated the Freddie Cannon record. What a load of crap though . Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Was that the shop that also used to specialise in Reggae LPs(with the big 14/6 labels on)?. I remember buying my first soul record from there "Get Ready" the Temptations with the centre dinked, and I also bought the Olympics LP on JOY. I also always wondered about those Freddy Cannon/Mickey Lee Lane boots. First saw them in 72/73ish. Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rodders22 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 (edited) Paul, 1973 date about right! Don't know about the Reggae stuff but used to take me forever to go through the cards. Cardboard cards Where used, no vinyl 45s on show till you took card to counter for them to retrieve record so that you could check condition,seemed to work though with cheap records to be had such as Dells-wear it on the face, Tony Clark- Landslide, Billy Stewart-Summertime,loads of Tamla,Soul,Motown, but like I said they did a list for the in-demand Imports tunes at the time,records like Stay,Running for my life,Going to the Happening, Breakout,You get your kicks,AND SO ON AND ON AND ON..----DWR don't know what the girls name was" but she was a looker and new about Soul Music. Rod Edited January 1, 2014 by Rodders22 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 The card covers ring a bell. I remember the shop from about 70/71, and as I was only 12/13 I was only going to learn about what became "northern soul" when I started going to St Maries Youth Club in late 1971. Although at about the same time, my older sister started bringing more obscure sound into the house after hearing them at the Tudor, & Sloopys. Paul 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rodders22 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 Paul, I must Know you as myself, Derek Hodge, Colin Taylor, used to take our records to play at St Marie's at that time. Monday night at the Dixie was a big night then for anyone in the teens, A good mate of mine was the main DJ His name was Happy! You can guess he took his name from the William Bells tune. Rod Clegg Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I only really remember Mark Waters, by name. I only went there for a short time, & then fell out with the lads there. My name is Paul Rimmer( a good Southport name that!!). My favourite records at the time were Cool Jerk, Barefootin, Little Piece Of Leather, Mr Bang Bang man, and my 2 absolute favourites were Scratchy & The Snake. Great times, that set me on the road to Va Vas, Mecca & Wigan. Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rodders22 Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 Paul, Mark Waters and his Brother Steve I know well,In fact I was with Mark on New Years night at a social club called the Fleetwood Hesketh,The two brothers went to Wigan week in week out in 70s. He asked me a while back to look through his records to see if any where worth anything. After doing some research, I had to tell him" sorry Mark nearly all Pressings and Boots. But what Menories and a bit of history of the Casino he had,he told me he wouldn't have sold them as they where part of his life that he treasured. Rod. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Drewtg Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 In the early 70s I ordered a copy of HEY SAH-LO-NEY from the Record Supermarket in Eastbank st , Southport,the shop sold ex duke box, motown, and American Imports.The Imports varied in prices from 30p 60p 75p up would, but from a list behind the counter you could order on demand records. I went back a week later to pick it up, and was handed a copy of FREDDIE CANNON-TALLAHASSEE On SWAN label with another label to stick over it. What I can't get my head round is why a legit looking record with different title and artist, with a cheap looking stick on label? I never did put that label on,I think it was a pillar box red with not to much on label. In a early JM bootleg booklet he describes it as one of those little Mysteries surrounding bootlegs. Any thoughts. Rod Clegg happy new year everyone. I've still got this record somewhere, white SWAN with maroon print Tallahassie Lassie. I always assumed it was some cock-up at the pressing plant. Quite liked the track, had some energy. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rodders22 Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share Posted January 2, 2014 I've still got this record somewhere, white SWAN with maroon print Tallahassie Lassie. I always assumed it was some cock-up at the pressing plant. Quite liked the track, had some energy. It's the Intro for me that make it stand out, from the first cord you know what it's going to be and you would head for the dancefloor (Yesteryears I'm talking about,) other records that have that kick-start our Let the good times roll + tracks like Breakout. But going back to your explanation for Hey sah-lo-ney, that would takeout the bootleg theory and give it a bit more Cred! Not that we where to bothered in the early 70 s thanks for that mate. Rod Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rick Cooper Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Never seen this Freddie Cannon/ Mickey Lee Lane record before but almost certain that it was done by John La Mont at his House of Sounds business in Philadelphia with possibly some input from Bernie Binnick and Ed Balbier. House of Sounds had a list of early Rock and Roll hits available to US shops which included all the Freddie Cannon hits. They may have been legit as someone in Philly could have a claim on the Freddie Cannon titles in the early 70s. Mickey Lee Lane would probably have been done for the UK,although some Northern type records were popular in the Baltimore and Pittsburgh areas so may have been for US buyers. As quality control at House of Sounds was not up to much they probably pressed them without checking and sold them with a correct label to stick on . The records were usually a bit thin and often warped the labels were usually quite good. Record Supermarket probably got the record from Global Records in Manchester as I remember them as a customer when I worked there in the mid 1970s. The list the shop had would have been about 7 or 8 sheets with titles listed alphabetically and each title having a price code from A to E. I quite liked " Hey Sah Lo Ney" as a record that reminds me of the early emergence of Northern. Les Cockell when he was DJ at the Wheel had it as his one to watch out for in a Dave Godin B&S column .Prefer the instrumental (Tracks to Your Mind) and always wondered how it turned up as a B side on the Cobblestone label. Rick 1 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rodders22 Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Rick,thanks for your thoughts on the mystery of Hey Sah-lo-ney, you may be not far off the Mark. The Swan label did look a proper one, but the label they gave you to stick on was red, basic, and a bit plain with not to much Info on it .Time" could have been reason for that ,so they could get the orders out kwik. I bought a black swan copy years later off Tim Brown at the Ritz. Also I'll tell you my short memory is crap, but seem to remember that the lists behind the counter back in the 70s did have some sort of A-E Price type code and would have been no more than about 10 sheets. Hey Rick" Working for Global records in the 70s must have been like a kid working in a sweet shop! Did Richard Searling work there at sometime? Thanks again mate. Rod Clegg. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
stokesoulboy Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I remember a genuine press on itzy but just to add confusion it was also booted on itzy - or was that sounds of lane that was booted ? Can't recall but great song all the same 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-R Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I remember a genuine press on itzy but just to add confusion it was also booted on itzy - or was that sounds of lane that was booted ? Can't recall but great song all the same Both, I think. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I remember a genuine press on itzy but just to add confusion it was also booted on Itzy. All releases on the Itzy label are reissues produced for the Pittsburgh area "oldies" market. There are no original releases on Itzy label. Itzy was an oldies label and still exists in one form or another: https://www.4ddai.com/itzy/ ITZY might've had some kind of legal deal going with SWAN, I don't know, but these are not the original or "local" releases which is so often stated. Have a look at their early discography: ITZY 1 - BELLTONES Please Try To Understand Me originally released in 1963 on Olimpic. ITZY 2 - CASINOS the swim originally released in 1963 on Olimpic. ITZY 3 - JOHN HAMMOND i wish you would originally released in 1965 on Red Bird. ITZY 4 - EXECUTIONERS the guillotine originally released in 1965 on Sunburst. ITZY 5 - SAPPHIRES Who Do You Love originally released in 1963 on Swan. ITZY 6 - MICKEY LEE LANE hey sah lo ney originally released in 1965 on Swan. ITZY 7 - GABRIEL AND THE ANGELS that's life that's tough originally released in 1962 on Swan. ITZY 8 - ROCKIN' REBELS wild weekend originally released in 1962 on Swan. ITZY 9 - DOC STARKES apple cider originally released in 1958 on Swan. ITZY 10 - DICKY DOO AND THE DON'TS Nee Nee Na Na Na Na Nu Nu originally released in 1958 on Swan. ITZY 11 - BLUE ECHOES Tiger Talk originally released in 1963 on Bristol. ITZY 12 - ? ITZY 13 - SHOWMEN our love will grow originally released in 1965 on Swan. 1 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bo Diddley Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 All releases on the Itzy label are reissues produced for the Pittsburgh area "oldies" market. There are no original releases on Itzy label. Itzy was an oldies label and still exists in one form or another: ITZY 6 - MICKEY LEE LANE hey sah lo ney originally released in 1965 on Swan. Interesting that. JM put up a Youtube entry on the Itzy label. When I saw it, I assumed that Itzy must be pre-swan. Is this one of the few entries of his of a re-issue https://youtu.be/B72ff0aNt2E Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Interesting that. JM put up a Youtube entry on the Itzy label. When I saw it, I assumed that Itzy must be pre-swan. Is this one of the few entries of his of a re-issue https://youtu.be/B72ff0aNt2E It's interesting to note that between Manship's 5th edition and 6th edition price guides, he has changed the wording describing the ITZY release from "Pittsburgh reissue" in the 5th to "Pittsburgh issue" in the 6th and upped the "value" from £50 to £100. The Itzy release is a RE-ISSUE, why would anyone collecting original 45's have any interest in it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wiggyflat Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Ive an Itzy copy of this in my crap box somewhere....Im sure the Itzy is a lot smaller in writing and the record a lot shoddier than the one on Johns turntable. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) Never seen this Freddie Cannon/ Mickey Lee Lane record before but almost certain that it was done by John La Mont at his House of Sounds business in Philadelphia with possibly some input from Bernie Binnick and Ed Balbier. House of Sounds had a list of early Rock and Roll hits available to US shops which included all the Freddie Cannon hits. They may have been legit as someone in Philly could have a claim on the Freddie Cannon titles in the early 70s. Mickey Lee Lane would probably have been done for the UK,although some Northern type records were popular in the Baltimore and Pittsburgh areas so may have been for US buyers. As quality control at House of Sounds was not up to much they probably pressed them without checking and sold them with a correct label to stick on . The records were usually a bit thin and often warped the labels were usually quite good. Record Supermarket probably got the record from Global Records in Manchester as I remember them as a customer when I worked there in the mid 1970s. The list the shop had would have been about 7 or 8 sheets with titles listed alphabetically and each title having a price code from A to E. I quite liked " Hey Sah Lo Ney" as a record that reminds me of the early emergence of Northern. Les Cockell when he was DJ at the Wheel had it as his one to watch out for in a Dave Godin B&S column .Prefer the instrumental (Tracks to Your Mind) and always wondered how it turned up as a B side on the Cobblestone label. Rick Ear-plugs at the ready! https://youtu.be/4pgbJaKemic Edited January 3, 2014 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-R Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Ive an Itzy copy of this in my crap box somewhere....Im sure the Itzy is a lot smaller in writing and the record a lot shoddier than the one on Johns turntable. You mean a one of these? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-R Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Rod - I've just seen this on Popsike. Was this the one you bought in the early '70s? (note what's been said about the label stuck over a Swan one): https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildatar.php?itemnr=380365843788 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Ive an Itzy copy of this in my crap box somewhere....Im sure the Itzy is a lot smaller in writing and the record a lot shoddier than the one on Johns turntable. Yes, the ITZY release has been "bootlegged" as well, twice at least. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rodders22 Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Rod - I've just seen this on Popsike. Was this the one you bought in the early '70s? (note what's been said about the label stuck over a Swan one): https://www.popsike.com/php/detaildatar.php?itemnr=380365843788 Gene-R, I think that could be the label? Only kids at the time, but still didn't put the label on as the Swan record looked the part and had the right track on it. I binned the cheap looking label, and by the look of the picture on popsike" I did the right thing' but all the same they played a huge part in that early Northern Soul Scene. Good Times. Rod 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rick Cooper Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 . Hey Rick" Working for Global records in the 70s must have been like a kid working in a sweet shop! Did Richard Searling work there at sometime? Thanks again mate. Rod Clegg. Rod It had it's good points but spent most of the working day picking and packing LP orders. When a container shipment of singles arrived that was a "sweet shop" day. Richard Searling worked there before me. Many others worked at Global during the 1970s, a re-union of ex employees would fill a fair sized venue. Interesting info on the Itzy label and the Pittsburgh scene. Ed Balbier (the owner of Global) mentioned that a certain record was popular in Baltimore and Pittsburgh now and again but at the time I assumed he meant that it was popular as a new release i.e. a regional hit. It looks that it was an oldies scene as the Itzy releases were done some years after the original issues. I should have asked him more about it but being a young kid at the time I thought I knew it all, how wrong can you be. The Feathers record "Trying to Get To You" was one I remember he said was popular in Pittsburgh , so seems they liked the fast pop/ soul stuff. Has there been any discussion on the Pittsburgh scene? Rick 1 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
stokesoulboy Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I remember reading somewhere about the label owner liking the record so he licenced the track from swan to put it out on itzy , plus I don't think it was years apart on release via swan to itzy but this does prove that Pittsburgh was a pretty cool place music wise , lots of Detroit northern sounds sold well in the area at the time of release 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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