With the huge prices that we are seeing on the scene today , has anyone (beside different strokes ) tried this

at their venues ? , playing tunes OVO that have not upset the Bank balance. if so what would be your £25 spot ?.

To add further and to prove a current point of how much the price of a tune is subjective i.e. a once cheapish tune can quite easily go for big bucks, Sam Dees - Soul Sister on the  LoLo label. Now I'm not too sure why people are paying big money for it, might be because it Sam Dees or maybe because of the label (same as Bobby Hill-To The Bitter End ), or it fills the dance floor on todays current scene ?!

 

But its apparently clear that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder",  as a gander at Popsike will let the cat out of the bag....

 

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=Sam+Dees+soul+sister&thumbs=&currsel=&sortord=ddate&x=-901&y=-217

 

and was also discussed here on the forum price wise recently back in 2013

 

 

 

Its not at all rare ( seen quite a few go on eBay etc...) but obviously in demand as the last buyer paid £703 for a copy....?! Begs to believe but I rest my case, as ever its all down to exposure on the scene, who plays it ( well known DJs ) etc.....on how a record can become big on the scene, sometimes its not just down to refined taste just listening to "Soul Sister" will confirm that I'm afraid

Edited October 10, 201410 yr by foi

cool thread, and My MANTRA these days, sure I'll spend out if need be, but its its unknown to me, brilliant!! and under 20 quid, its in!!!

 

so:

 

The Pharaohs - Freedom Road - Steve E hasn't actually sold me this yet, but he will!! in  fact the whole LP is brill

The Nite-Liters- K-Jee

Jones Girls - If You Don't Love Me No More

Patti Labelle - It's Alright With Me

Natural Four - You Can't Keep Running Away

Rockie Robbins     Rockie Robbins - Hang Tough       

Jean DuShon - What Now My Love

Frankie Gee - Date With the Rain

Flame and The Sons of Darkness - Solid Funk

C.Henry Woods Troupe - The Stranger

Gwen McCrae - Lead Me On

Betty Wright - Keep Feelingn/ from the LP

Erroll Gaye and the Imaginations - Love and Affection

The Merits - Arabian Jerk

Glass House - Playing Games

Words of Wisdom - You're a Friend of Mine
Imported Moods - What Have You Done With My Heart

 

god there are tons of em.. could list literally hundreds more...

 

Mal.c

Edited October 10, 201410 yr by Mal C

So that`s another one braving the water!........how good was that Mal, it gets the old brain cells whirring eh?

Most of these, if not all are on the Tube so we can all hear how they fit together. 

Edited October 10, 201410 yr by Guest

Only a couple of years ago I bought my copy of Buddy Ace - Screaming Please for £30.00, more or less unheard of around here and I got quite a few folk wanting to know who and what?........ from the anorak jotting it down in the notebook he carries around to others wanting to know what to ask for at other venues. It rams any dancefloor today and try picking one up for £30 now.

There`s load out there still, and ive found a few!

 

me too Usually sells around £300 now

Here's a few cheapies for ya that don't sound out of place when slipped in a set beween big ticket numbers!!

 

I Need Your Love - Tim - Celtex

 

Danger Zone - Johnny Steele - Golden City

 

She's My Baby - The Intensions - Bluelight

 

What More Can I Do - Johnny Moore - Larry-O

 

God there must be hundreds of em out there!!!    

Edited October 10, 201410 yr by mrtag

I've certainly got no snobbery about cheap records, the point I was making is that a list of good records and a good dj set are two totally different things.

i've only djed at mod and r&b clubs, where price and rarity aren't so important, and where people dont suffer from the strange misconception that 'rare' is a style of music. It's a fairly universal view on those scenes that, however much you spend, you're not going to get better or more authentic than little walter or something, so our quest is just for new material from wherever, not so much a dj dick-waving rarity contest.

however, there's still many things that make an interesting dj set besides price - individuality, novelty etc.

It's got to have some 'wow' moments, which can be one-offs, unique plays, new discoveries and the 'slept-on' records are just one of the necesary ingreidients.

to think that you can do a whole set of records that fall into the 'wow, that's brilliant, i cant believe its ten quid and by ...' catagory, to most people listening, is fanciful, and a bit patronising. A lot of the records suggested are there on youtube or have been played over the years.

in fact, ironically, it would probably take a serious collector to do such a set convincingly, not just by default.

Joe simon 'I got a whole lot of loving' is one of my favourite tunes, but it's all over the place, so if I do a set full of things like that, what is my USP? The ability to put on records everybody has got in a unique order? Not much of a usp. Kind of arrogant to claim to have the 'taste' to do it no?

cant have it all, and it's been far better to have had a relentless search for rarities at the expense of bigger sellers that will always survive anyway than a perpetuation of past success at the expense of the more obscure gems as in mainstream culture.

and looking at the way prices go up on established rare classics, you cant blame folks for trying to get to them first.

Sometimes it seems strange that all those r&b sets I did, I played Howlin wolf maybe once or twice, ray charles the same, muddy waters the same...

fact is though: that djing is largely about the excitement of novelty, otherwise you're just a human jukebox who might easily be replaced by a laptop. It's about the excitement and myth of rarity and obscurity, the buzz of discovery.

Howlin wolf's back catalogue was never going to end up as landfill and you can buy it at motorway services.

So if it gets overlooked for a while, as we find the rarer stuff...oh well.

Anyway, as I said: even though I've tried to justify it, the neglect of common records is a phenomenon of Northern soul djing culture, not one I share, hence why I said you'd get boyuted out for playing that set.

'Boyut' : south yorkshire for 'boot'. As in 'fuck my old boyuts'

s

Edited October 10, 201410 yr by pow wow mik

Its nice to hear a cheapie out that you've only heard at home.Played loud over a big system,with like minded folks dancing or nodding ,can change the perception of a cheapie - even if only for a night.

I saw this playlist the other day and in amongst the bigger ticket items were some more freely available 45's.  Worth checking out as one example of just how "cheap" one can go without causing a walkout -

I'm not a DJ but here's a few can be had under £25 and all have are, or will get played.  There must be millions to list.

Austine Twins - My Place
Mongo Santamaria - We Got Latin Soul
Tony washington - Someone Always Cryin / He Will Break Your Heart
JJ Barnes - Say It
Peggy Gaines - Sweet Way of Living
Kaleidoscope - We're Not Getting Any Younger, or  how about I'm A Changed Person
Four Tees - One More Chance
Big Ella - It Takes A Lot Of Loving
Betty Everett - Unlucky Girl
Rose Hargrove - Knocked Down Kicked Around
Sunny and the Sunliners - I'm No Stranger
Roy Smith - I Can Remember
Cortez Greer - Very Strong On You
Ultra High Frequency -  We're On The Right Track
Bobby Freeman - Lies

 

 

 

Edit: typo

Edited October 10, 201410 yr by tiberius

So that`s another one braving the water!........how good was that Mal, it gets the old brain cells whirring eh?

Most of these, if not all are on the Tube so we can all hear how they fit together.

dont know about braving the water Steve, cheap or in expensive and musically fabulous comes easy mate, it's the lowest common denomanator in record collecting...,

And yes, if I picked em they will all generally tail end together nicely on a CD... Pride my self on actually knowing how tempo and music fits together... Only bloody thing I was ever any good at, that and taking pictures....

So if you go to a soul night and there's two rooms, one with Ted Massey, Mick H, Butch, Ady Croasdell and alike playing there top quality tunes and in the other room there are only records of £25 and below being played then you would soon see that price matters.

 

Just My Thoughts 

 

I appreciate both sides of the argument but this is a good point - I know which room I'd be in!

always swapping my cheapies around and if I was to specifically do a 25 and under there would be some different choices but these are from my present playbox in some sort of set

 

ive got a secret-sharpees

somebody new-chuck Jackson

don't take my mind-betty swann

im gonna hold on-marlina mars

at last-marvin gaye

I  need your help-johnny and jake

I cant stop loving you baby-ray Charles

looking for a woman-Robert moore

shell stick by me-luther Thomas

stoned on love -forris woods

I aint got nobody-sly and family stone

bout love-clydie king

take me as I am-Freddie hughes

hold on-jackey beavers

give it to me straight-Thelma jones

im your special fool-nancy Wilson

people get it together-eddie Floyd

peace-pete mayes

pleasing you-buddy ace

bad for each other-carl carlton

 

dean

These list of some great tunes are all well & good but they mean nothing unless dj's will have the b*llocks to play them.Hence the "under £25" nights on occasions appear,price shouldn't mean anything it should be how good but we all know it doesn't. Unfortunately the mind set  of most dj's (& I include myself in this) fall into trying impress with what they have,so the lower priced tunes take a back seat which is a shame but that's the reality?

Cheers

Martyn     

Edited February 7, 201510 yr by pikeys dog
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Syl Johnson - Try Me

Syl Johnson - Same Kinda Thing

Freddie Gorman - Take Me Back

Ideals - You lost I Won

Young Folk - Lonely Girl

Jimmy Holiday - New Breed

Jimmy Hughes - I'm A Man Of Action

Just Rita - Then Best Thing You Ever Had

George Tindley - Don't You hear Them Laughing

Joe Taylor - You Don't Love Me

Vernon Harrell - Your Love

Stu Gardner - Expressin My Love

Yvonne Daniels - Spread The Word

Neil Brown - If By Chance

Esquiresa - How Could It Be & owt else they recorded

Dan Brantley - Please Accept My Love

Kip Anderson - That's All I Can Do

Edited October 11, 201410 yr by chalky

pleasing you-buddy ace

 

 

dean

Demand for this rising faster than the water levels on the titanic.  Price too, over £50 last one I saw.  Fantastic record that has been a sleeper for many years.

Brothers Of Soul - Hurry Don't Linger

Joe Hinton - There Ought To be A Law

Juanita Williams - Baby Boy

Willy Wiley - Just Be Glad

Mike & The Censations - Don't Mess With Me

Little Tommy - Luv'H

Accents - New Girl

Chuck Bernard - Every Hurt Makes You Stronger

Rueben Bell - Action Speaks Louder Than Words

Syl Johnson - Try Me

Syl Johnson - Same Kinda Thing

Freddie Gorman - Take Me Back

Ideals - You lost I Won

Young Folk - Lonely Girl

Jimmy Holiday - New Breed

Jimmy Hughes - I'm A Man Of Action

Just Rita - Then Best Thing You Ever Had

George Tindley - Don't You hear Them Laughing

Joe Taylor - You Don't Love Me

Vernon Harrell - Your Love

Stu Gardner - Expressin My Love

Yvonne Daniels - Spread The Word

Neil Brown - If By Chance

Esquiresa - How Could It Be & owt else they recorded

Dan Brantley - Please Accept My Love

Kip Anderson - That's All I Can Do

 

Young Folk - every home really should have one.!

Demand for this rising faster than the water levels on the titanic.  Price too, over £50 last one I saw.  Fantastic record that has been a sleeper for many years.

 

thought someone would pick up on this one so almost didn't include it  ..but kinda proves the point that sadly djs might not play a cheap quality tune until someone like butch does and the price and demand goes crazy

 

I was lucky enough to stumble on it on ebay about 4 years back and got it for 15

 

been stomping around the music room this morning to loads of under 25s from the shelves including a few on your lists..syl Johnson,esquires,little tommy,jimmy hughes..think I might start keeping to under 25s for my first gogo sets

 

dean

thought someone would pick up on this one so almost didn't include it  ..but kinda proves the point that sadly djs might not play a cheap quality tune until someone like butch does and the price and demand goes crazy

 

I was lucky enough to stumble on it on ebay about 4 years back and got it for 15

 

been stomping around the music room this morning to loads of under 25s from the shelves including a few on your lists..syl Johnson,esquires,little tommy,jimmy hughes..think I might start keeping to under 25s for my first gogo sets

 

dean

 

I've been playing Buddy Ace for a while,great 45 just right for today and it sound as good a s many rarities IMO.  Syl Johnson another fantastic 45.

Brothers Of Soul - Hurry Don't Linger

Joe Hinton - There Ought To be A Law

Juanita Williams - Baby Boy

Willy Wiley - Just Be Glad

Mike & The Censations - Don't Mess With Me

Little Tommy - Luv'H

Accents - New Girl

Chuck Bernard - Every Hurt Makes You Stronger

Rueben Bell - Action Speaks Louder Than Words

Hurry Don't Linger is a fantastic track and at its price tag you can't complain! 

Here's a few cheapies for ya that don't sound out of place when slipped in a set beween big ticket numbers!!

 

I Need Your Love - Tim - Celtex

 

Danger Zone - Johnny Steele - Golden City

 

She's My Baby - The Intensions - Bluelight

 

What More Can I Do - Johnny Moore - Larry-O

 

God there must be hundreds of em out there!!!    

Played all of those myself within the last couple of years within a set, so have to agree ; I do find people tend not to mention the cheaper ones you play ; but focus on the expensive (perhaps because they are less seldom heard) ; and can only agree with whats been said before about  placing a few in the mix ..................

With the huge prices that we are seeing on the scene today , has anyone (beside different strokes ) tried this

at their venues ? , playing tunes OVO that have not upset the Bank balance. if so what would be your £25 spot ?.

To be fair and more accurate,the under £25 night at D.S is not the full event, but the back room on the same night as Steve's regular event.

I believe it's the brainchild of Gaz B.

However, the reviews and general consensus of the first one were very good and from the mouths of creditable and passionate punters!

Been a useful thread for me starting from scratch again

Anyway one to add to the list

 

The Parliaments - Don't be Sore at Me

 

Just picked up a VG+ copy for £17 inc postage from discogs

Just got a VG condition of Sam & Kitty original from USA for £26...... bugger paid £1 too much for this thread.

Been a useful thread for me starting from scratch again

Anyway one to add to the list

 

The Parliaments - Don't be Sore at Me

 

Just picked up a VG+ copy for £17 inc postage from discogs

Great B side........."All Your Goodies Are Gone"........great buy

Cheers

Martyn

Bugger! All these years and I've been cataloguing my records wrong. I've always used the alphabet and now I find out I should have been using price. Sorry guys, I just misunderstood

Just bought Jill Harris "Oh Baby"/ Baby wont You Try me ..Great double sider..off here £20..

Chuck Jackson - hand it over (wand) £1.27, Eddie Walker good guys £5.07, Fred Hughes Boby boy - Brunswick demo £4.59 all from the USA

Chuck Jackson - hand it over (wand) £1.27, Eddie Walker good guys £5.07, Fred Hughes Boby boy - Brunswick demo £4.59 all from the USA

Postage would have been more

Cheers

Martyn

Bugger! All these years and I've been cataloguing my records wrong. I've always used the alphabet and now I find out I should have been using price. Sorry guys, I just misunderstood

How would you do it........Book Price or Actual Price

Cheers

Martyn

Short kuts - loosen up. £10-15 record. Great northern with all the necessary ingredients. Would be in my £25 and under spot!

How would you do it........Book Price or Actual Price

Cheers

Martyn

 

Call me old fashioned, but the price has got nothing to do with it. All our sounds will be "worth" £500 each at some point in the future (or maybe 12 inter-galactic credits). Me; I like the music - I'm a soul man

Call me old fashioned, but the price has got nothing to do with it. All our sounds will be "worth" £500 each at some point in the future (or maybe 12 inter-galactic credits). Me; I like the music - I'm a soul man

Old Fashioned........well you did say call you it

Think I'll have that on my grave stone as so many miss that point.

Cheers

Martyn

Just bought Jill Harris "Oh Baby"/ Baby wont You Try me ..Great double sider..off here £20..

 

His Kiss aint bad either,

.., and tracks do get 'elevated' from this catagory every year, but how many are left?

 

There are more out there, still left to find, than people realise  , loads AND loads of over looked B sides     :yes:      ,

that Motown B sides thread....re Uptight the Temps and Supremes, only 3 people at that gig I referred to had heard it before !!!!.

Edited November 28, 201410 yr by ZootSuit

Can I just state that yes we did have an under £25 room in our two room venue, It worked really well and we will hold another on 4th April... Plenty of sounds to play at such an event if you have an ounce of flare and imagination, something that's lacking with some so called djs.... The point was to experience it live and many did and got a surprise indeed.... Maybe someone can link the article / event and it's feedback to go with topic, I can't do it on my phone..

Edited November 28, 201410 yr by little-stevie

These list of some great tunes are all well & good but they mean nothing unless dj's will have the b*llocks to play them.Hence the "under £25" nights on occasions appear,price shouldn't mean anything it should be how good but we all know it doesn't. Unfortunately the mind set  of most dj's (& I include myself in this) fall into trying impress with what they have,so the lower priced tunes take a back seat which is a shame but that's the reality?

Cheers

Martyn     

Nailed it there Martyn......nights like these are a blessing ......it helps/makes you play those bloody brilliant tunes that most djs would bypass for the bigger ticket items due to pressure from the floor/management/ego ??? And as a new collector on a budget i can't believe how many out-standing tunes have been by-passed for those reasons (apparently)...More nights like this are needed in my humble opinion !!!

Edited February 7, 201510 yr by pikeys dog
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As long as I don't have to listen to these spots you can all fill your boots.

 

Just mix it up that's all. It's just common sense.

surely you buy by ear not value

 

I hear many I want, then gauge if I can afford it

 

Do I want it ?     YES

 

Can I afford it ?   NO

 

move on to next one

 

Do I want it ?     YES

 

Can I afford it ?   YES

 

Buy it!

 

not rocket science, thousands of quality records to be had at a doable (is that a word) price, we're not all top level collectors or dj's, have faith in your own discerning taste, never buy a record you don't like just because it has a price tag attached

 

 

 

 heres my 20 but to be honest since i started collecting again i've not paid more than £25 for a tune and i have plenty amongst the couple of thousand i've bought that  would be valued at above that 

 

showmen take it baby

jan bradley back in circulation

joe simon the girls alright with me

marlena shaw love has gone away

spyder turner you're good enough for me

jackie wilson & count basie uptight

ruby winters sweetheart things

attractions that girl is mine

andre brasseur the kid

betty baker & the jaxis marching out of my life

tamalia banks can't believe its a miracle

buckinghams don't you care

bob & earl the sissy

fontella bass honey bee

chiffons nobody knows what's going on in my mind but me

casinos i still love you

otis clay she's about a mover

dramatics don't make no promises

sam dees worn out broken heart

jimmy delphs mind going in the same direction

 

atb kev

As long as I don't have to listen to these spots you can all fill your boots.

 

Just mix it up that's all. It's just common sense.

Phil

Why wouldn't you want to listen to a well put together set of interesting,great dancers that aren't expensive?

Are you saying no cheap sounds are any good or are you saying a set has to have a least a few one off's,mega bucks before the set is any good?

Cheers

Martyn

Phil

Why wouldn't you want to listen to a well put together set of interesting,great dancers that aren't expensive?

Are you saying no cheap sounds are any good or are you saying a set has to have a least a few one off's,mega bucks before the set is any good?

Cheers

Martyn

Yes I am Martyn. I have heard some of these sets and even though some of the tunes are brilliant, a full hour of them is frankly terrible. If you lose the floor, you need to get them back, and you can't do that without some big hitters. 

People might come up to you after your set and tell you how much they enjoyed what you played, but if I'm Dj'ing, I want people dancing. Not sat there looking bored and scratching their chins.

Yes I am Martyn. I have heard some of these sets and even though some of the tunes are brilliant, a full hour of them is frankly terrible. If you lose the floor, you need to get them back, and you can't do that without some big hitters. 

People might come up to you after your set and tell you how much they enjoyed what you played, but if I'm Dj'ing, I want people dancing. Not sat there looking bored and scratching their chins.

Phil

I disagree(I understand this is going to be one of those were we'll never agree )I think you can do both,keep the floor happy & keep it interesting.

So you're telling me from the tunes posted (lots more could be added) you couldn't put a great set together?

Cheers

Martyn

I just don't think you can entertain a crowd and keep a jumping dance floor if you limit yourself to cheap records. I wouldn't pay money to hear those records played one after the other. Mix it up.

I just don't think you can entertain a crowd and keep a jumping dance floor if you limit yourself to cheap records. I wouldn't pay money to hear those records played one after the other. Mix it up.

Phil

I love my big tunes as much as anyone & want a mixed night of tempos,genres etc but to say a set of cheaper sounds is terrible on price alone I can't agree with.

To flip your concern about limiting yourself to cheap tunes alone doesn't that happen the other way round with the more expensive tunes,how many times have we heard expensive tunes played 3 or 4 times a night...........because the dj's have paid a kings ransom for it so is going to play it no matter what?

Cheers

Martyn

I just don't think you can entertain a crowd and keep a jumping dance floor if you limit yourself to cheap records. I wouldn't pay money to hear those records played one after the other. Mix it up.

 

But lots of records started off as cheapies before they gained exposure and demand.Take for a recent example Irene & The Scotts which is currently on Manships auction and probably set to reach a big price.Five years ago i bought it for a tenner so back then it would make it into a cheapies set.How can you get excited about a record just because of its price tag.

A Good set is one that gets you dancing and entertains you simple as that.You could hear a string of mega bucks played out oldies and feel bored until an unfamiliar or underplayed record gets you back on the floor.It doesnt have to be a high price record that fills the floor.

Irene & the Scotts is a very common record that I have never liked personally.

 

The facts are there for all to see. The problem is that the people who are "on the scene" are so desperate to hear something different, they have lowered their standards and changed the musical boundaries in order to perpetuate a music scene for their own ends.

 

I know so many people who are desperate to go out somewhere and hear something new to their ears, but have given up the ghost. The quality just isn't there anymore.

 

I am just giving my personal opinion, if you are happy with the events and "music" that you are hearing, then I am very happy for you.

Edited November 29, 201410 yr by Quinvy

Irene & the Scotts is a very common record that I have never liked personally.

 

The facts are there for all to see. The problem is that the people who are "on the scene" are so desperate to hear something different, they have lowered their standards and changed the musical boundaries in order to perpetuate a music scene for their own ends.

 

I know so many people who are desperate to go out somewhere and here something new to their ears, but have given up the ghost. The quality just isn't there anymore.

 

I am just giving my personal opinion, if you are happy with the events and "music" that you are hearing, then I am very happy for you.

Some great dancing tunes cost less than £25 but must admit when looking in my box for the special numbers I can't find many that would create a little something on the dance floor.

I decided to look at the last 12 months ebay purchases that were less than £25 for tunes that I enjoy and aren't played every weekend, here is a list of original issue purchases which I hope would make you smile if heard played out.

Edie Walker - Good guys £13 inc postage

Tribulations - You gave me up for promises £18 inc postage

Timothy Wilson - Love is like an itching in my heart £14 inc postage

Betty Lavette - I feel good £18 inc postage

Fabulous Peps - With these eyes £22 inc postage

Lou Johnson - Magic Potion £15 inc postage

Bunny Sigler - Follow your heart £10 inc postage

Joyce Kennedy - I'm a good girl £20 inc postage

Charlie Romans - twenty four hour service £22 inc postage

Eddie & Ernie - I cant do it £24 inc postage

American youth choir - Keep your fine self near me £10 inc postage

I must admit struggling to find recent interesting record purchases for under £25 and all the above records were obtained from the USA.

A quick run through my modest box of vinyl and most of the lower priced records tend to be over £25 so I can relate to your approach about head lifting tunes costing more. 

Would any of the above tunes generate a smile? 

Obviously not rare and played out a fair bit but here's a few that spring to mind

Uniques-Not too long ago

Intruders-Check yourself

Isley Brothers-Why when love is gone

Garnet Mimms-Prove it to me

Vontastics-Let me down easy

Ethics-Look at me now

Make Sure-Dells

Garland Green-Angel Baby

Sly Girl-Derek Martin

Originals-Don't stop now

 

i put that vontastics tune on a mix cd for a british friend who knows a bit about soul (more 70s), but he'd never heard it and it blew his mind. there was a dealer on eBay named "headbonedaddy" had loads of deadstock of them for like 10 USD. great disc.

So many big ticket sets are simply boring now as far too many DJ's seem to have a lot of them and they've been hammered in many cases.  There is a genuine lack of imagination in the mainstream soul scene with both DJ's afraid to take a chance for the fear of not getting another booking and far too many promoters happy to sit back and not buck the status quo.

 

As said the majority of today's big money records started off cheap rising in price as demand rose.  Today's cheapie tomorrows expensive 45? 

 

But there are many big ticket items that if they were a tenner they wouldn't get a second play as many simply lack quality as well.

 

I don't see a problem with the occasional nights like this where DJ's are encouraged to use some imagination and you never know you just might enjoy it?  

Edited November 30, 201410 yr by chalky