Followed many of the debates on here with great interest and clearly what is one person's 'played out oldlie' is not so for another.

What is also clear is that what is being played in one area might be a 'poo' (sorry ) elsewhere.

So, what are the present 'played out oldies' for you?

Mine would be (and not to say they arn't great records):

Better Use Your Dead - Little Anthony & The Imperials.

You Don't Love Me - Epitome of Sound.

One of these two seems to be played each time I go out!

Not looking to start any sort of debate just interested to see if what is new to me etc.is someone else's poo?

KTF.

Drew.

Lucky chap - what a great record Can't remember when I last heard it out - although it gets a regular play on my personal squawk box.

It really is a fantastic track isn't it. I love the instrumental as well, you can hear loads of orchestration in there which is drowned out on the vocal version.

i do hope i'v not upset 5.OUL

dendog

dendog you could not upset me pal

some one made a statment regarding soulies this is about records not venues and soulies

5.OUL

Edited October 24, 200618 yr by 5.OUL

Lucky chap - what a great record Can't remember when I last heard it out - although it gets a regular play on my personal squawk box.

I agree Rich.

Lucky To Be Loved is a fantastic record and I wasn't stating that it is for me 'played out' only that from that list it was the one I had heard 'out' most.

Also think that your last played clip on here (You Didn't Have To Leave) is a fantastic record.

KTF.

Drew.

just a reminder that all ips are logged

just a reminder that all ips are logged

Sorry to appear thick Mike but what is an ips and what is it about this discussion that warrants a reminder?

Genuine question Mike and not being sarcastic.

KTF.

Drew.

Sorry to appear thick Mike but what is an ips and what is it about this discussion that warrants a reminder?

Genuine question Mike and not being sarcastic.

KTF.

Drew.

Maybe somebody is on here using an assumed name having already got an account as, er, a different name??

bonfire i have some for that

What are they then??

Maybe somebody is on here using an assumed name having already got an account as, er, a different name??

Thats a bit sad isn't it??

Edited October 24, 200618 yr by bridget

Modern, crossover, you tell me ?? but in my youth you would not get

Pressure or Party Time Man, Third Window & so on even though they are good tunes

elitism and sectarianism

donnt let us get teco

Forget the pidgeon holes altogether good SOUL is good SOUL whenever it was recorded.

The fact is it is harder and harder to find tunes that are genuinely not known on the scene. This has lead records from both earlier and later being played on the scene. If you think about it the alternative was tried and the Casino namely expaning what gets played except they didn't expand into the 50's and 70's ( I know there are notable exceptions ) they expanded away from soul music.

I know I'd rather here 50's or even up to new released soul than some of the pop dross that surfaced at Wigan.

People should worry less about playing things they believe in even if they are cheap / easy to find rather than not being brave enough and thinking well if it's worth X hundred pounds my credibility cannot be a risk.

I think on the original point what is 'played out' really does depend on where you go. It's within the last few weeks that people were saying on here that the Ad Libs - Johhny My Boy is hardly ever played. In some parts of the North West it was hammered couple of years ago.

Some of top three candidates for over played in need of a rest oldies would be

Just a Little Misunderstanding

One Wonderful Moment

Do I Love You

These are not BAD records but would benefit from not being played for 5 years or so perhaps then I could get the tingle down my spine again when I heard them. (maybe not though they may have been killed off altogether for me at least)

Not an oldie but I am sick of hearing Somethings Wrong - Chris Clark every time I go out anywhere.

P.S. I don't know why I get involved in these discussions its almost impossible to get the point over effectively on a forum and people are always so entranched anyway.

Forget the pidgeon holes altogether good SOUL is good SOUL whenever it was recorded.

The fact is it is harder and harder to find tunes that are genuinely not known on the scene. This has lead records from both earlier and later being played on the scene. If you think about it the alternative was tried and the Casino namely expaning what gets played except they didn't expand into the 50's and 70's ( I know there are notable exceptions ) they expanded away from soul music.

I know I'd rather here 50's or even up to new released soul than some of the pop dross that surfaced at Wigan.

People should worry less about playing things they believe in even if they are cheap / easy to find rather than not being brave enough and thinking well if it's worth X hundred pounds my credibility cannot be a risk.

I think on the original point what is 'played out' really does depend on where you go. It's within the last few weeks that people were saying on here that the Ad Libs - Johhny My Boy is hardly ever played. In some parts of the North West it was hammered couple of years ago.

Some of top three candidates for over played in need of a rest oldies would be

Just a Little Misunderstanding

One Wonderful Moment

Do I Love You

These are not BAD records but would benefit from not being played for 5 years or so perhaps then I could get the tingle down my spine again when I heard them. (maybe not though they may have been killed off altogether for me at least)

Not an oldie but I am sick of hearing Somethings Wrong - Chris Clark every time I go out anywhere.

P.S. I don't know why I get involved in these discussions its almost impossible to get the point over effectively on a forum and people are always so entranched anyway.

I agree whole heartedly with this Ged.

just to keep this going,,,,,, in the early days( pre Wigan) , when t'Torch n t'Wheel were on, wasn't nearly everything played only a few years old?( shock,horror,,newie,,modern even?).

Discuss away.............Kev.

I agree whole heartedly with this Ged.

What a wise person you are

just to keep this going,,,,,, in the early days( pre Wigan) , when t'Torch n t'Wheel were on, wasn't nearly everything played only a few years old?( shock,horror,,newie,,modern even?).

Discuss away.............Kev.

Exactly Kev : Hence;

"again there is no such thing as an oldie because just about everything we play is old and when we went to our youth clubs and early soul nights weren't we in fact listening to modern music????, well we didn't know what it was and we had never heard it before, so at best it had to be crossover"

The sentiment of 'knocking your head against a brick wall' comes to mind though when trying to get this point across to an out and out 'soulie' (Whatever that is!!)

Perhaps they are recognisable by the outfits they wear (OOPS! Thats for another thread)

Not an oldie but I am sick of hearing Somethings Wrong - Chris Clark every time I go out anywhere.

the amount of over played oldies can be only overcome mathmaticaly with this equation.the amount of over played oldies must be directly proportional to the amount of self administerd medicine. med=tunes you've heard to many times

Forget the pidgeon holes altogether good SOUL is good SOUL whenever it was recorded.

The fact is it is harder and harder to find tunes that are genuinely not known on the scene. This has lead records from both earlier and later being played on the scene. If you think about it the alternative was tried and the Casino namely expaning what gets played except they didn't expand into the 50's and 70's ( I know there are notable exceptions ) they expanded away from soul music.

I know I'd rather here 50's or even up to new released soul than some of the pop dross that surfaced at Wigan.

People should worry less about playing things they believe in even if they are cheap / easy to find rather than not being brave enough and thinking well if it's worth X hundred pounds my credibility cannot be a risk.

I think on the original point what is 'played out' really does depend on where you go. It's within the last few weeks that people were saying on here that the Ad Libs - Johhny My Boy is hardly ever played. In some parts of the North West it was hammered couple of years ago.

Some of top three candidates for over played in need of a rest oldies would be

Just a Little Misunderstanding

One Wonderful Moment

Do I Love You

These are not BAD records but would benefit from not being played for 5 years or so perhaps then I could get the tingle down my spine again when I heard them. (maybe not though they may have been killed off altogether for me at least)

Not an oldie but I am sick of hearing Somethings Wrong - Chris Clark every time I go out anywhere.

P.S. I don't know why I get involved in these discussions its almost impossible to get the point over effectively on a forum and people are always so entranched anyway.

That's all very well Ged, but there's no D in pigeon.

Exactly Kev : Hence;

"again there is no such thing as an oldie because just about everything we play is old and when we went to our youth clubs and early soul nights weren't we in fact listening to modern music????, well we didn't know what it was and we had never heard it before, so at best it had to be crossover"

The sentiment of 'knocking your head against a brick wall' comes to mind though when trying to get this point across to an out and out 'soulie' (Whatever that is!!)

Perhaps they are recognisable by the outfits they wear (OOPS! Thats for another thread)

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. That there's no such thing as an oldie because all records are old?

If someone asked me to name them a 100 northern oldies I could do it off the top of my head in 2 or 3 minutes and not one would have been made after 1970 and not one would have been first played after 1980.

Everybody knows whats meant by northern oldies. Just because a record is 'not of the present day' doesn't make it an oldie in the Northern Soul sense of the term.

One of the joys of not being in to Northern for as long as most of you lot is that some of them overplayed out of fashion oldies is that they are new to me...

Isn't there a book about this very topic?

Think it's called "The Northern Soul Top 500"

Exactly Kev : Hence;

"again there is no such thing as an oldie because just about everything we play is old and when we went to our youth clubs and early soul nights weren't we in fact listening to modern music????, well we didn't know what it was and we had never heard it before, so at best it had to be crossover"

The sentiment of 'knocking your head against a brick wall' comes to mind though when trying to get this point across to an out and out 'soulie' (Whatever that is!!)

Perhaps they are recognisable by the outfits they wear (OOPS! Thats for another thread)

sharon your knocking

Remember if you cant say something nice

I'm intrigued enough to ask Steve, you have a one hour spot 11pm at the infamous Right Track Club Peterborough, 300+ in, go on what would YOU play???

Well has he answered this qustion yet then....lol

Mark Bicknell.

Northern/Rare Soul was a scene that played unknown records by unknown artists by DJ's who would ONLY play such records anyway to an up for it crowd.....................what happened to this ethos, surely we should all be striving to play or hear the next unknown potential monster/classic if we are keeping true to the original origins of the NS scene ??? .

Russ

I hear loads of same old tunes when i go out but to me i enjoy it and i always hear new tunes everytime i do not know. i also notice certain songs

Do I Love you which has not been played out locally for some time so there are times you don't hear tunes anymore

I am gonna say something now you might be shocked or think god help me but i said before why we never get Dobie Gray - Out On The Floor played anymore (that is one of my all time fav tunes) i guess people think it sounds lame now and wouldn't fit in with the rest of Northern soul

I hear loads of same old tunes when i go out but to me i enjoy it and i always hear new tunes everytime i do not know. i also notice certain songs

Do I Love you which has not been played out locally for some time so there are times you don't hear tunes anymore

I am gonna say something now you might be shocked or think god help me but i said before why we never get Dobie Gray - Out On The Floor played anymore (that is one of my all time fav tunes) i guess people think it sounds lame now and wouldn't fit in with the rest of Northern soul

honey trap

What is an oldie? Does it not depend on A) how old you yourself are what clubs you attended when you were young C) you have been over exposed to particular tunes

Is George Pepp an oldie because i myself have heard it played for 15 years or more?

What is an oldie? Are they tunes which to one degree or another have been overplayed at sometime in the past? are they crap tunes? Is there a thing where rare oldies are ok but common oldies are not?

Are you allowed to listen to oldies on the same home made cd with newies? How are you supposed to tell the difference between these things if you are young?

Are collectors and DJS allowed to own both oldies and newies?

Personally there are loads of tunes that i have heard for years which i love and there are loads of tunes that i don't! I loved Doug Banks back in the 80s but now i can not stand it! the intro...the chorus...i hate it! Kurt Harris is another one, back in 85 or so i loved it, but i cant stand the song now, because i have heard it a million times! It is the same record - it has not changed......my view of it has! Now Ray Pollards The Drifter Jackie Edwards I feel so bad, Forston and Scott, Carla Thomas, Johnny Maestro,Seven Souls, Cecil Washington, Kell Osbourne etc...etc... have all been hammered over the years!!

The tunes have not changed - its just our own interpretation of them? Where you heard them, and how old you are!

Me - i have only just left my 20s so all this sort of oldies banter is absurd !

Now for my top overplayed crap oldies and newies

Chandlers - Your love makes me lonley - colsoul (do we have to listen to this guy droning on again?)

Joannie Sommers - Dont pity me - WB (one more time and i will explode!)

Don Gardener - Cheating kind - Sedgrick - ( It WAS a crap record - thats why it is rare)

Betty Turner - The winds kept laughing - Cresecnt (no....not again!!)

LB Parker -Please keep away from me - Veep - (for the 100000s time..no..please!)

I could go on for days!......

are these newies that i dont like or oldies?

Joannie Sommers - Dont pity me - WB (one more time and i will explode!)

Don Gardener - Cheating kind - Sedgrick - ( It WAS a crap record - thats why it is rare)

Betty Turner - The winds kept laughing - Cresecnt (no....not again!!)

I mentioned on another topic on here recently that a favourite tune of mine is, Ruby Andrews - Just loving you, and someone kindly posted in no uncertain words that it was an overplayed piece of shite,

Was that me?

If not, can I just say that IMHO, that is the the most overplayed, dreary piece of background music ever played on the scene?

Here is some for the bonfire Nov 5th they will be well burnt out

font=Times]Driza-Bone - Rear Love

dendog

Is this another that's big with all E midlands soulies.... or just the arse bandits amongst them??

sorry just had to answer this one, and no disrespect to any dj, promoters etc

right, got my cd box, bootlegs, vinyl carvers, reissues, etc plus my one and only original

- interplay on orange rca yes ready to go, need say no more but the 300+

crowd love it........theres your answer paul

russ

ps, before anyone asks its a joke regards interplay, original etc

Very good Rus!

Be even funnier if if one of your co-promoters wasn't inclined to play the odd vinyl-carvers piece himself!

What gets my goat is the same oldies played more than once in the same night. I stopped going to King Georges at Blackburn when I'm sure Bobby Hebb Love Love Love was played 3 times in the main room. Also on another theme the last 2 venues I've been to I've heard Gimme Some Lovin - Spencer Davies, whats that all about.

One of the joys of not being in to Northern for as long as most of you lot is that some of them overplayed out of fashion oldies is that they are new to me...

I have to agree with mischief here...... Only recently been listening to the music and have to agree they may be oldies to some but are 'new ' to others like me..............

sharon your knocking

Remember if you cant say something nice

There is a difference between having an opinion that may be different from others and 'Saying something nice' If we all said 'something nice' all the time wouldn't the world be such a boring, monotonous, dreary, pathetic, sad, hum-drum, pathetic, run of the mill, predictable etc. etc. place??

I'm not knocking (?) Just stating a very clear fact. Anyway : what is a 'soulie'??

I'm not knocking (?) Just stating a very clear fact. Anyway : what is a 'soulie'??

Some one who 'thinks' they are into northern, because they go to the local oldies night dressed as they have been since 1976? and proberly never even attended wigan?

What gets my goat is the same oldies played more than once in the same night. I stopped going to King Georges at Blackburn when I'm sure Bobby Hebb Love Love Love was played 3 times in the main room. Also on another theme the last 2 venues I've been to I've heard Gimme Some Lovin - Spencer Davies, whats that all about.

How many times do we here of these places that repeat tunes all the time .My freind said of these places "spoon fed a diet of overplayed shite by promoters who just don't care" :angry: ..Vote with your feet,its the only way...I think more folk should have word with the promoter or the dj on the night and ask them why,see what answer they give before you poke them in the eye ...

At the end of the day we see these places still full every month and so it seems a lot of people don't care about repeats and djs who have played the same set every month ,i would not want that but a lot do,plenty choice every week for all...Lets not get too frumpy about this,as the song says "you go your way and i'll go mine"..

peace and luv.....Rev Kenny Lynch.. x

How many times do we here of these places that repeat tunes all the time .My freind said of these places "spoon fed a diet of overplayed shite by promoters who just don't care" :angry: ..Vote with your feet,its the only way...I think more folk should have word with the promoter or the dj on the night and ask them why,see what answer they give before you poke them in the eye ...

At the end of the day we see these places still full every month and so it seems a lot of people don't care about repeats and djs who have played the same set every month ,i would not want that but a lot do,plenty choice every week for all...Lets not get too frumpy about this,as the song says "you go your way and i'll go mine"..

peace and luv.....Rev Kenny Lynch.. x

Oh I dunno Kenny, I thought you told me that as long as they play the Casualeers you're happy .......

Some one who 'thinks' they are into northern, because they go to the local oldies night dressed as they have been since 1976? and proberly never even attended wigan?

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Sterotypical bollox, which doesn't even make me laugh anymore. Baz, you don't even go to these sort of nights (or rarely) so how come you see so many of these people dressed up in bags and vests? One of the things that used to signify a soulie was not being judgemental, something sadly lacking in some of the younger soulies

Now I guess you're going to say it was a tongue in cheek comment, but you do say it at every given opportunity, and often imply its a significant reason younger people don't get into the scene, which is also absolute tosh IMO.

Winnie:-)

just a thought.

If these oldies arent played out. What is the point of going?

Some one who 'thinks' they are into northern, because they go to the local oldies night dressed as they have been since 1976? and proberly never even attended wigan?

It's funny but I said this to Davina about 2 weeks back, we went to the shops and I was wearing a pair of Levis, a white polo shirt under a black v neck jumper and I realised I was wearing exactly the same clothes that I wore 30 years ago!

So what's wrong with dressing like that eh?

How many times do we here of these places that repeat tunes all the time .My freind said of these places "spoon fed a diet of overplayed shite by promoters who just don't care" :angry: ..Vote with your feet,its the only way...I think more folk should have word with the promoter or the dj on the night and ask them why,see what answer they give before you poke them in the eye ...

At the end of the day we see these places still full every month and so it seems a lot of people don't care about repeats and djs who have played the same set every month ,i would not want that but a lot do,plenty choice every week for all...Lets not get too frumpy about this,as the song says "you go your way and i'll go mine"..

peace and luv.....Rev Kenny Lynch.. x

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I have a friend who told me he/she wouldn't go back to some places because they play underplayed average sounding records simply to feed their own egos. As you say though, no point getting 'frumpy', each to their own.

It's funny but I said this to Davina about 2 weeks back, we went to the shops and I was wearing a pair of Levis, a white polo shirt under a black v neck jumper and I realised I was wearing exactly the same clothes that I wore 30 years ago!

So what's wrong with dressing like that eh?

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They must be a bit threadbare by now?

just a thought.

If these oldies arent played out. What is the point of going?

Like wow, thats like if a tree falls in an empty wood does it make a noise? I suppose it would if it fell on a bear trying to take a tom tit, if they do that in woods.

There once was a played out oldie

That didn't get played out anymore.

To some people it was a classic,

To others a bore,

But to discuss it makes most people snore.

I may enter that in the TLS poetry competition.

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I have a friend who told me he/she wouldn't go back to some places because they play underplayed average sounding records simply to feed their own egos. As you say though, no point getting 'frumpy', each to their own.

What venues does said friend attend as a "he " Winnie, and which as a "she". You know, just in case

Like wow, thats like if a tree falls in an empty wood does it make a noise? I suppose it would if it fell on a bear trying to take a tom tit, if they do that in woods.

There once was a played out oldie

That didn't get played out anymore.

To some people it was a classic,

To others a bore,

But to discuss it makes most people snore.

I may enter that in the TLS poetry competition.

I was told there are a few thespians on the London soul scene.

I just saw the title and had an image of a veune all kitted, bar stocked, decent crowd. but no music, cos the records arent allowed to be played out.

So people meet, and then go home listening to The Professionals YET AGAIN on their tapes or CDs

What venues does said friend attend as a "he " Winnie, and which as a "she". You know, just in case

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If the person goes with me, then it's as a she (I have my pride)

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If the person goes with me, then it's as a she (I have my pride)

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Sterotypical bollox, which doesn't even make me laugh anymore. Baz, you don't even go to these sort of nights (or rarely) so how come you see so many of these people dressed up in bags and vests? One of the things that used to signify a soulie was not being judgemental, something sadly lacking in some of the younger soulies

Now I guess you're going to say it was a tongue in cheek comment, but you do say it at every given opportunity, and often imply its a significant reason younger people don't get into the scene, which is also absolute tosh IMO.

Winnie:-)

Well said winnie... wasn't going to comment on this thread but hey... its everytime... same old /same old comments, same old drivel.... bout CLOTHING.... who gives a f'ing Chuff what anyone wears....

What venues does said friend attend as a "he " Winnie, and which as a "she". You know, just in case

This implies that you haven't considered the possibility that this person could be a woman who occasionally dresses up as a man. Thats sexist that is. Probably.

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I have a friend who told me he/she wouldn't go back to some places because they play underplayed average sounding records simply to feed their own egos. As you say though, no point getting 'frumpy', each to their own.

Good point Winnie

I don't like overplayed or underplayed average tunes..Just underplayed great tunes with a few classics and a few rare bits... Thats what i like from a soul night....

This implies that you haven't considered the possibility that this person could be a woman who occasionally dresses up as a man. Thats sexist that is. Probably.

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There's a lot of interest in 'my friend' I'm sure he/she will be delighted and it may help him/her decide whether to have an operation to add......or subtract.........dependant on your preferences

One of the joys of not being in to Northern for as long as most of you lot is that some of them overplayed out of fashion oldies is that they are new to me...

Right Paul,

I'm with you about this...

Roccia

[quote name='in town Mikey' date='Oct 25 2006, 02:58 PM' post='368006'] just a thought.

If these oldies arent played out. What is the point of going?