Posted May 26, 200718 yr Just listening to this on SOTS, does anyone ever play this out anymore or is it Northern Soul chart fodder never to grace the decks again. There's obviously a lot of different releases over the years, Beacon, Cream, Inferno etc. Anyone got a list of all the releases, prices etc. Cheers Simon
May 26, 200718 yr Just listening to this on SOTS, does anyone ever play this out anymore or is it Northern Soul chart fodder never to grace the decks again. There's obviously a lot of different releases over the years, Beacon, Cream, Inferno etc. Anyone got a list of all the releases, prices etc. Cheers Simon Deffo!
May 26, 200718 yr Like the Bandwagon's "Breakin' Down The Walls Of Heartache", if ANBAHP hadn't had the affrontery to become (gasp!) a hit record, it would be among the most prized of all NS records, especially with such a killer flip in "What Can A Man Do"... It's anything but NS Chart fodder - it's actually one of the most perfect dance records of all time... Edited May 26, 200718 yr by TONY ROUNCE
May 26, 200718 yr Like the Bandwagon's "Breakin' Down The Walls Of Heartache", if ANBAHP hadn't had the affrontery to become (gasp!) a hit record, it would be among the most prized of all NS records, especially with such a killer flip in "What Can A Man Do"... It's anything but NS Chart fodder - it's actually one of the most perfect dance records of all time... I agree totally Tony, i thinks it's popularity has been its dancefloor downfall. Simon
May 26, 200718 yr Just listening to this on SOTS, does anyone ever play this out anymore or is it Northern Soul chart fodder never to grace the decks again. There's obviously a lot of different releases over the years, Beacon, Cream, Inferno etc. Anyone got a list of all the releases, prices etc. Cheers Simon Hi Simon I'm Not Too Sure on Prices, but none are extremely Expensive. Here are probably only half of them, If you count the Green Beacon, Cream, Collectables etc The Party Time Label is possibly the Rarest Format, To Date I haven't seen a Party Time DEMO although I'm sure that It should exist, and the Yellow Beacon harder than the Red & White Swirl Beacon In My Experience. Not to forget of course the Incredible B Side "What Can A Man Do??" Edited May 26, 200718 yr by 45cellar
May 26, 200718 yr i also have a 12" re edit/mix thingy timing 7:11 on disco international -dis 1507-45 [u.s] from 1975
May 26, 200718 yr Wasn't there a Story somewhere that this recod was Originally picked up for release on Beacon, after being heard quite by chance in the States by a record exec/producer.
May 26, 200718 yr Wasn't there a Story somewhere that this recod was Originally picked up for release on Beacon, after being heard quite by chance in the States by a record exec/producer. That's 100% correct - Beacon's founder and MD Milton Samuel was holidaying in Philly and heard it playing either on WDAS or in a record shop, can't remember which. Just imagine if he'd heard the Four Perfections on Party Time instead. Would we now be debating whether or not that is "Northern Soul Chart Fodder"? Worth noting that the original 'Swirl' Beacon pressings were made from Frankford-Wayne stampers, and thus they sound better than the Party Time and Showtime pressings! The yellow ones may use those stampers, too, but I've never owned on so I can't say for sure... Two of the four Showstoppers were the younger, possibly twin, brothers of Solomon Burke.
May 26, 200718 yr That's 100% correct - Beacon's founder and MD Milton Samuel was holidaying in Philly and heard it playing either on WDAS or in a record shop, can't remember which. Just imagine if he'd heard the Four Perfections on Party Time instead. Would we now be debating whether or not that is "Northern Soul Chart Fodder"? Worth noting that the original 'Swirl' Beacon pressings were made from Frankford-Wayne stampers, and thus they sound better than the Party Time and Showtime pressings! The yellow ones may use those stampers, too, but I've never owned on so I can't say for sure... Two of the four Showstoppers were the younger, possibly twin, brothers of Solomon Burke. Hi Tony Thanks for the Information, I have often wondered how close we came to some of the other records like The Four Perfections "I'm Not Strong Enough" or Bobby Wells "Be's That Way Sometimes" being Issued In the U.K. In the 60's. The Yellow Beacon does have the Frankford /Wayne, Stamp, Paul Dunns copy too. However so do my Party Time, Show Time and Guyden copies. Seem to think that there are boots around on Show Time though, possibly Styrene? Edited May 26, 200718 yr by 45cellar
May 26, 200718 yr Hi Tony Thanks for the Information, I have often wondered how close we came to some of the other records like The Four Perfections "I'm Not Strong Enough" or Bobby Wells "Be's That Way Sometimes" being Issued In the U.K. In the 60's... But at least we DID get Bobby's classic "Let's Copp A Groove" which I'm sure brings a lump to the throat of anyone over 45, huh? Besides, the Showstoppers was a great gateway to the Northern/Rare Soul scene for so many 15 year-old budding soulies that it deserves respect for that reason alone! Edited May 26, 200718 yr by mel brat
May 27, 200718 yr Don't forget the Inferno release with the brilliant previously unissued 'Gotta Get Closer To Your Love' on the flip.
May 27, 200718 yr That's 100% correct - Beacon's founder and MD Milton Samuel was holidaying in Philly and heard it playing either on WDAS or in a record shop, can't remember which. Just imagine if he'd heard the Four Perfections on Party Time instead. Would we now be debating whether or not that is "Northern Soul Chart Fodder"? Worth noting that the original 'Swirl' Beacon pressings were made from Frankford-Wayne stampers, and thus they sound better than the Party Time and Showtime pressings! The yellow ones may use those stampers, too, but I've never owned on so I can't say for sure... Two of the four Showstoppers were the younger, possibly twin, brothers of Solomon Burke. And is it not correct that all four of the four Showstoppers were The Four Perfections ? ...... Malc Burton
May 27, 200718 yr But at least we DID get Bobby's classic "Let's Copp A Groove" which I'm sure brings a lump to the throat of anyone over 45, huh? Besides, the Showstoppers was a great gateway to the Northern/Rare Soul scene for so many 15 year-old budding soulies that it deserves respect for that reason alone! Hi Mel Definitely, "Let's Copp A Groove" is a Classic and one of my favourites, I am suprised though that at the time the US Catalogue for both Romur & Party Time / Showtime wasn't considered for a couple more releases on Beacon which would have brought us "Be's That Way Sometimes" & "I'm Not Strong Enough".
May 27, 200718 yr the 1st issue on partytime is quite hard now. rated at £100 altho coz its on all the other labels i cant see anyone wanting to pay that for it. its certainly rarer than the four perfections and ive never seen a partytime white or yellow demo of the showstoppers , only demos of the four perfections. they were the same group wer`nt they dave
May 27, 200718 yr And is it not correct that all four of the four Showstoppers were The Four Perfections ? ...... Malc Burton the 1st issue on partytime is quite hard now. rated at £100 altho coz its on all the other labels i cant see anyone wanting to pay that for it. its certainly rarer than the four perfections and ive never seen a partytime white or yellow demo of the showstoppers , only demos of the four perfections. they were the same group wer`nt they dave Hi Malc, Hi Dave, Well, based on hearsay, and this >>> Link <<< I asked this very Question, back in January 2007. Possibly not if you follow this >>> Link <<< Thanks also for Information on the Party Time DEMO's, I have seen The Four Perfections on a Yellow Party Time DEMO, but I've never seen a Show Stoppers Party Time DEMO. Edited May 27, 200718 yr by 45cellar
May 27, 200718 yr Hi Malc, Hi Dave, Well, based on hearsay, and this >>> Link <<< I asked this very Question, back in January 2007. Possibly not if you follow this >>> Link <<< Thanks also for Information on the Party Time DEMO's, I have seen The Four Perfections on a Yellow Party Time DEMO, but I've never seen a Show Stoppers Party Time DEMO. Hi Roger ..... this tale was told to me by several eminent authorities , and at several different times , that the FP and The SS were the same group .... Again , it proves to be another urban myth ..... Malc Burton
May 27, 200718 yr Never seen a Party Time Demo of The Showstoppers either. Anyone? Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com
May 28, 200718 yr I was involved in a very small way with the cream release when I worked at Global. I signed some papers that said I owned 6% of the rights to the record. Not that I was going tomake any money out of it- I think I was given 10 copies for myself to sell if I remeber rightly - it was so bloody long ago!
May 28, 200718 yr I found a copy on the blue Showtime label last week while digging through the mold and muck at a flea market. Cost me $2 for a copy clean enough to play out...
May 28, 200718 yr About 18 months ago I left a copy of the red and white Beacon release in a shop, but I'm still puzzled as to why. Perhaps it was in bad shape or when I listened to it it did nothing for me. It would have only cost a couple of quid at most, what would it be worth in good shape ? BTW I've got Pick Up Your Smile which is also on Beacon, that's a good tune.
May 28, 200718 yr About 18 months ago I left a copy of the red and white Beacon release in a shop, but I'm still puzzled as to why. Perhaps it was in bad shape or when I listened to it it did nothing for me. It would have only cost a couple of quid at most, what would it be worth in good shape ? About £10-£15.
May 28, 200718 yr About £10-£15. Every home should have a copy of The Show Stoppers Ain't Nothing But A House Party / What Can A Man Do ?? and possibly at some time has. Whichever Label it is on, It is one of those records that helped to create this wonderful scene, Never gonna be a big bucks tune, However, Imagine if only a handful existed. Both are Top Tunes, definitely Value for money.
May 28, 200718 yr About £10-£15. Thanks for that, I feel better now, I had a feeling it was only a lowish value record.
May 31, 200718 yr I was thinking about this record just the other day, one of the first records that really got me into northern soul, and thus ruined my life! It's hard for the kids today to understand what it was like before the internet, but I remember when I knew nothing about anything soul related and found this record on green beacon and Cliff Nobles "Love Is Alright" in a junk shop. I was stunned to say the least, and played them over and over again. My thoughts were "Wow, how can there be music this good?! Why have we not been informed?! How is it possible that music this good is basically unknown to most people on the planet?" About the record. What releases have the best and loudest sound, i.e. which ones pack the most punch? Is the Showtime one OK? The Partytime one looks sweet, but what does it sound like? I don't wanna go UK or styrene if I can avoid it! Is Partytime the first label? Both sides are top notch northern soul in my book, perfect dance music.
June 1, 200718 yr I was thinking about this record just the other day, one of the first records that really got me into northern soul, and thus ruined my life! It's hard for the kids today to understand what it was like before the internet, but I remember when I knew nothing about anything soul related and found this record on green beacon and Cliff Nobles "Love Is Alright" in a junk shop. I was stunned to say the least, and played them over and over again. My thoughts were "Wow, how can there be music this good?! Why have we not been informed?! How is it possible that music this good is basically unknown to most people on the planet?" About the record. What releases have the best and loudest sound, i.e. which ones pack the most punch? Is the Showtime one OK? The Partytime one looks sweet, but what does it sound like? I don't wanna go UK or styrene if I can avoid it! Is Partytime the first label? Both sides are top notch northern soul in my book, perfect dance music. A mint condition UK 'swirl' or 'yellow' Beacon copy has the best sound. As has already been mentioned above, it's pressed from US-cut Frankford-Wayne stampers, on nice, thick vinyl. There's nothing wrong with the US ones, on any label, and the cut is as loud on Party Time or Show Time as it is on Beacon, but UK vinyl was generally of superior quality to its US counterpart back then. I think that the master was re-cut for the 'green' Beacon, although I don't have a copy to confirm that.
June 1, 200718 yr A mint condition UK 'swirl' or 'yellow' Beacon copy has the best sound. As has already been mentioned above, it's pressed from US-cut Frankford-Wayne stampers, on nice, thick vinyl. There's nothing wrong with the US ones, on any label, and the cut is as loud on Party Time or Show Time as it is on Beacon, but UK vinyl was generally of superior quality to its US counterpart back then. I think that the master was re-cut for the 'green' Beacon, although I don't have a copy to confirm that. I know UK, and European, vinyl from the time is generally of better quality than US vinyl but I fear my fingers would start itching and I would feel an uncontrollable urge to push out the centre of the UK 45! A friend used to have the yellow Beacon one and it sounded great. Edited June 1, 200718 yr by Guest
June 1, 200718 yr Got a humble Beacon copy of this. Top tune! Remember seeing them doing this on TOTP 2 not so long ago. Track features the imortal line - "shake it till you can't no more" ..
June 1, 200718 yr Anyone else got 'How Easy Your Heart Forgets Me' by them on Herritage?....Stonking N.S. Never heard it played out though :angry:
June 2, 200718 yr A mint condition UK 'swirl' or 'yellow' Beacon copy has the best sound. As has already been mentioned above, it's pressed from US-cut Frankford-Wayne stampers, on nice, thick vinyl. There's nothing wrong with the US ones, on any label, and the cut is as loud on Party Time or Show Time as it is on Beacon, but UK vinyl was generally of superior quality to its US counterpart back then. I think that the master was re-cut for the 'green' Beacon, although I don't have a copy to confirm that. All three of the UK Beacon are cut from the US Frankford-Wayne stampers Regards Paul
June 2, 200718 yr a great tune, have it on cream label here. should scan and post up. I would agree like some it's a song you can hear first time to get you into the scene.
June 3, 200718 yr Worth noting that the original 'Swirl' Beacon pressings were made from Frankford-Wayne stampers, and thus they sound better than the Party Time and Showtime pressings! There's a Frankford-Wayne studio acetate of it kicking around somewhere - white label, red print & typed title, credits etc.
August 13, 200717 yr Just listening to this on SOTS, does anyone ever play this out anymore or is it Northern Soul chart fodder never to grace the decks again. There's obviously a lot of different releases over the years, Beacon, Cream, Inferno etc. Anyone got a list of all the releases, prices etc. Cheers Simon Hi I was bold enough to play the flip side at a do last year and got a huge round of applause for it. Just goes to show - you have the balls to dig out a record that everyone knows is a classic but isn't in vogue anymore and ..........
August 13, 200717 yr Anyone else got 'How Easy Your Heart Forgets Me' by them on Herritage?....Stonking N.S. Never heard it played out though :angry: NO, but i have got it on UK MGM Good Tune Tony
August 14, 200717 yr Forgot just how good that "What can a man do" im going to dig it out when home,i think it would go down well at some venues today.
August 14, 200717 yr Saw the Showstoppers live at a friends 18th Birthday Party, which was a coach trip to Park Hall at Charnock Richard in Lancs. Must of been 1979, I knew Houseparty, and seem to remember them playing loads of covers, but it was a good nite and they went down well. Anyone else see 'em ? Edited August 14, 200717 yr by Briles
August 14, 200717 yr Forgot just how good that "What can a man do" im going to dig it out when home,i think it would go down well at some venues today. Definitely, "What Can A Man Do??" equally as good if not better, and earns it's Double A Side Status.
August 14, 200717 yr Got to agree with earliier post--- How easy your heart forgets me--M.G.M --IS ABSOLUTELY MAGIC--but in my humble opinion---i played it the other night in my cellar--it sounds far better than i remembered. Love and stuff to all Tony Coleby.Definitely, "What Can A Man Do??" equally as good if not better, and earns it's Double A Side Status.
August 14, 200717 yr Like the Bandwagon's "Breakin' Down The Walls Of Heartache", if ANBAHP hadn't had the affrontery to become (gasp!) a hit record, it would be among the most prized of all NS records, especially with such a killer flip in "What Can A Man Do"... It's anything but NS Chart fodder - it's actually one of the most perfect dance records of all time... When Princess Anne did Desert Island Discs (so I'm told) this was her number one choice of record to take with her. It always reminds me of a certain time, along with Mr Floods Party - Compared to what. Another top tune in the public ear.
August 14, 200717 yr Saw the Showstoppers live at a friends 18th Birthday Party, which was a coach trip to Park Hall at Charnock Richard in Lancs. Must of been 1979, I knew Houseparty, and seem to remember them playing loads of covers, but it was a good nite and they went down well. Anyone else see 'em ? I doubt if this was the group that actually recorded "Houseparty". A group of friends and I saw them around the same time at Burnley Miners. They had a chick with them on vocals, did ots of current pop/soul covers and I don't think any of them were over 25! Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com
August 14, 200717 yr I doubt if this was the group that actually recorded "Houseparty". A group of friends and I saw them around the same time at Burnley Miners. They had a chick with them on vocals, did ots of current pop/soul covers and I don't think any of them were over 25! Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com Thanks Dave. Well it looks like I've been living a lie for 28 years then. You tell me that one of only a few live bands (pub bands excepted) I've seen in my life were fakes. I've seen the Christians, UB40, M People, Squeeze, all of which I was dragged along to by friends. I've seen mainly fake Drifters and Platters (probably fake Showstoppers) Nobody can tell me Bobby Taylor, Kim Weston and Yvonne Vernee were fakes though Best Dave.
August 14, 200717 yr Well apart from Cliff's live version on an lp at the Talk of the Town, the weirdest cover I have of ANBAHP is either the one by the Tremoloes or the crap version on some Indonesian ep have buried somewhere, am sure there's plenty of others.... Edited August 14, 200717 yr by pomonkey
August 14, 200717 yr I doubt if this was the group that actually recorded "Houseparty". A group of friends and I saw them around the same time at Burnley Miners. They had a chick with them on vocals, did ots of current pop/soul covers and I don't think any of them were over 25! Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com I thought I saw them at the Casino around 78/79, can not remember a girl in the group though. Regards Paul
August 14, 200717 yr Can some one post a soundfile of the unreleased Inferno B side? Dont think I have ever heard this
Just listening to this on SOTS, does anyone ever play this out anymore or is it Northern Soul chart fodder never to grace the decks again.
There's obviously a lot of different releases over the years, Beacon, Cream, Inferno etc.
Anyone got a list of all the releases, prices etc.
Cheers
Simon