Although ive only been on this forum a short time...and granted most of you have been in this scene since before I was a twinkle in my dads eye...as a promoter in Manchester for the last ten years in contemporary soul I feel I have earned a right to speak on this subject.

Since I have arrived all I have seen is bickering between various promoters about venues...underhand tactics...over promotion...saturation of nights etc etc...

The solution to this is simple...though the old brigade might find it hard to swallow...

You need new blood on the scene...you need to promote not just the nights but the music and atmosphere you create...

You only have to look at nights like Beat Boutique in Manchester and the relatively new Shake N Fingerpop in Wigan to know that the younger generation are becoming more and more aware of the music all of us love...

In contrast...I went to Prestwich last Friday...fantastic night thoroughly enjoyed...great music...friendly atmosphere...but absolutely no sign of young faces...perhaps a smattering here and there...but nothing significant...

Now I know all you promoters out there are great at what you do...so are the younger promoters...can there not be a happy medium between the two where you can attract both young and old to your nights?

My night used to be busy every week,...and yes I ran it every week...with ages from 18 up to 60+ coming to enjoy good soul music...

What im trying to say...and yes im a little long winded...is that you need to actively promote to the younger crowd if this scene has any chance of surviving another 10-20 years...because by then the original soulies...will be too old to go out dancing...then what?

Yes I know you can be notoriously snobby when it comes to safeguarding your music...I have had a love affair with it for many years now too...but its sad to say im in the minority...and im in the minority because it is little publicised....hammer the youth of today with enough flyers...actively take an interest in them...and they will come to the nights...im not saying it will be everyones cup of tea...but dont underestimate the youth...they are very clued up these days...and want something to throw themselves into...find a balance and there will be no bickering amongst promoters...because the scene will flourish...

Ill give you a parallel...ive been playing holdem poker for 10 years in the casinos...when I started you would find it hard to find a game anywhere...then the internet took off...now you can play it anywhere...

THIS SCENE WILL NEVER BE COMMERCIAL!!

So you can cut that crap straight away...it will never be mainstream again...so abit of good promotion to the younger generation will NOT damage the integrity of the scene...it will just help keep what we all love alive...

Rant over.

Never mind what people say this scene has done fine for the best part of40 yrs and will go on for a long time yet , most members on here have a long pedigree in the music they love and , I am sure carry it on for a long time yet. Some might say like you that the scene needs the cobweb dusting off but what it don't need is someone with no or little pedigree trying to tell us what or music scene needs. You harp on about you pomoted various events or styles of music around Manchester . That begs the question .Why jump on the soul bandwagon and try to change it. Sorry Beeks but you seem to be doing more harm than good IMHO . WE DON'T WANT A NEW WAVE

oh dear, I fear de ja vu... didn't Paul Barker get a similar response a few months ago re: Beat Boutique subject..

Jayne.x.

Never mind what people say this scene has done fine for the best part of40 yrs and will go on for a long time yet , most members on here have a long pedigree in the music they love and , I am sure carry it on for a long time yet. Some might say like you that the scene needs the cobweb dusting off but what it don't need is someone with no or little pedigree trying to tell us what or music scene needs. You harp on about you pomoted various events or styles of music around Manchester . That begs the question .Why jump on the soul bandwagon and try to change it. Sorry Beeks but you seem to be doing more harm than good IMHO . WE DON'T WANT A NEW WAVE

You know nothing about my pedigree MAK...typical statement from a typical Dinosaur...ive been playing and promoting Soul music for years...since I was a teen in fact...ok granted...although ive only flirted with Northern over the years...through the scooter rallies...the occasional trips to the Wheel and the Ritz in manc...and the odd purchase of quality records...my knowledge on all aspects of soul music is unquestionable...so for someone to dismiss me from a few posts on a message board...which to be honest if you knew me...are said with tongue firmly in cheek...is laughable...im here...been here for awhile...and im here to stay...like it or lump it...and when you are sitting in your retirement home looking through the window at the birds...ill still be here...and you'll thank your lucky stars I am as the nurse changes your colostomy bag

You cant even stop bickering on this thread FFS Haha!!

And you wonder why us young ens are concerned?!

It aint bickering its cenile dementia, see that proves it. I've probably spelt it wrong.

Or failing that its just rolloping trollping good humour.

Edited July 11, 200816 yr by kev such

and if James Trouble was to name himself after a muppet, surely it would be the Great Gonzo?

What was the name of the scientists assistant on the Muppet Show Joe ?

What was the name of the scientists assistant on the Muppet Show Joe ?

Bunsen Honeydew

You know nothing about my pedigree MAK...typical statement from a typical Dinosaur...ive been playing and promoting Soul music for years...since I was a teen in fact...ok granted...although ive only flirted with Northern over the years...through the scooter rallies...the occasional trips to the Wheel and the Ritz in manc...and the odd purchase of quality records...my knowledge on all aspects of soul music is unquestionable...so for someone to dismiss me from a few posts on a message board...which to be honest if you knew me...are said with tongue firmly in cheek...is laughable...im here...been here for awhile...and im here to stay...like it or lump it...and when you are sitting in your retirement home looking through the window at the birds...ill still be here...and you'll thank your lucky stars I am as the nurse changes your colostomy bag

Ruby Andrews nice oldie.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Come down south Beeks, theres less bickering and you wont feel out of place as most peps look younger than there age due to the sea air and lack of rain

I've got a solution - stop whining and get out and enjoy yourselves?

Works for me

Oh come on its fun.

Come down south Beeks, theres less bickering and you wont feel out of place as most peps look younger than there age due to the sea air and lack of rain

It doesn't phase me to be honest Tim...you have to take it on the chin when you enter this scene...its like stealing their baby from the pram

They are a good lot really...just protective...which is understandable...Im not here for acceptance...im here for great music...which like it or not...is something we ALL have in common

Never mind what people say this scene has done fine for the best part of40 yrs and will go on for a long time yet , most members on here have a long pedigree in the music they love and , I am sure carry it on for a long time yet. Some might say like you that the scene needs the cobweb dusting off but what it don't need is someone with no or little pedigree trying to tell us what or music scene needs. You harp on about you pomoted various events or styles of music around Manchester . That begs the question .Why jump on the soul bandwagon and try to change it. Sorry Beeks but you seem to be doing more harm than good IMHO . WE DON'T WANT A NEW WAVE

I haven't got enough hair for an old wave let alone a new one.

oh dear, I fear de ja vu... didn't Paul Barker get a similar response a few months ago re: Beat Boutique subject..

Jayne.x.

Not the same Jayne,

Paul wasn't a cheeky tw*t

Not the same Jayne,

Paul wasn't a cheeky tw*t

Well I am...deal with it

Well I am...deal with it

I have no problem dealing with you Beekers.

I find you amusing... for now...

Never mind what people say this scene has done fine for the best part of40 yrs and will go on for a long time yet , most members on here have a long pedigree in the music they love and , I am sure carry it on for a long time yet. Some might say like you that the scene needs the cobweb dusting off but what it don't need is someone with no or little pedigree trying to tell us what or music scene needs. You harp on about you pomoted various events or styles of music around Manchester . That begs the question .Why jump on the soul bandwagon and try to change it. Sorry Beeks but you seem to be doing more harm than good IMHO . WE DON'T WANT A NEW WAVE

Rousing post! The pedigree you speak of is sooo important!

After all, it's the pedigree that makes the horse pal!

On the other hand, when it's worn out, it's the horse that makes the Pedigree Chum!

Not the same Jayne,

Paul wasn't a cheeky tw*t

This is the essence of the problem, isn't it?

Young whipersnapper, only 35 FFS, comes on here and dares to express opinions! What's the world coming to?

Furthermore, he has the audacity to express those opinions intelligently and in an affable manner! I despair!

"We didn't fight in two world wars to have this sort of..... etc etc etc "

"We didn't fight in two world wars to have this sort of..... etc etc etc "

The 1976 Mecca War and the 1980 "Casanova" insurgence Dave ?

You know nothing about my pedigree MAK...typical statement from a typical Dinosaur...ive been playing and promoting Soul music for years...since I was a teen in fact...ok granted...although ive only flirted with Northern over the years...through the scooter rallies...the occasional trips to the Wheel and the Ritz in manc...and the odd purchase of quality records...my knowledge on all aspects of soul music is unquestionable...so for someone to dismiss me from a few posts on a message board...which to be honest if you knew me...are said with tongue firmly in cheek...is laughable...im here...been here for awhile...and im here to stay...like it or lump it...and when you are sitting in your retirement home looking through the window at the birds...ill still be here...and you'll thank your lucky stars I am as the nurse changes your colostomy bag

No one knows your pedigree though, thats what Mak is getting at I think. You claim to have vast knowledge, 30,000 records yet don't know Ruby Andrews? C'mon even those with no knowledge of records knows Ruby Andrews yet you with your vast knowledge didn't. Some things just don't add up with you and thats what's making some of us sit back and wonder, some out loud.

You "young 'uns" as you call yourselves crave respect on this scene, that has to be earned, you have to start by showing a bit of respect too

This is the essence of the problem, isn't it?

Young whipersnapper, only 35 FFS, comes on here and dares to express opinions! What's the world coming to?

Furthermore, he has the audacity to express those opinions intelligently and in an affable manner! I despair!

"We didn't fight in two world wars to have this sort of..... etc etc etc "

The problem is that when you join a forum like this, it's good manners to watch and learn and absorb what goes on here, not jump in feet first and act like you own the place, I had to edit one of Beeks posts in the reggae section because he wasn't following forum guidelines as to where to post tracks, and he more or less told me to f*ck off so if he can't show any respect for long-standing members of the forum, many of whom indeed have forgotten more than he'll ever know, then he'll have problems.

"I'm here - deal with it" - yes that really endears you to people.

Edited July 11, 200816 yr by Pete S

Haha...good girl

good girl !!! omg!...

you'll be patting Joan on the head next... and saying well done for cueing up records...

Dont be surprised if she punches you...

Jayne.

Ruby Andrews nice oldie.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

...yeah, kinda thought the same thing really.

what an odd thread

if 35 =youth

then have to say things are grim

what an odd thread

if 35 =youth

then have to say things are grim

It's weird with the northern scene - in the old days, by the time we were 18, we were considered as 'old hands" at it!

You know nothing about my pedigree MAK...typical statement from a typical Dinosaur...ive been playing and promoting Soul music for years...since I was a teen in fact...ok granted...although ive only flirted with Northern over the years...through the scooter rallies...the occasional trips to the Wheel and the Ritz in manc...and the odd purchase of quality records...my knowledge on all aspects of soul music is unquestionable...so for someone to dismiss me from a few posts on a message board...which to be honest if you knew me...are said with tongue firmly in cheek...is laughable...im here...been here for awhile...and im here to stay...like it or lump it...and when you are sitting in your retirement home looking through the window at the birds...ill still be here...and you'll thank your lucky stars I am as the nurse changes your colostomy bag

Don't just sit there like a cybo-warrior , go ahead and give us an insite to your ''pedigree'' into soul music . Lets see who you really are. As for dinosaur ,I was going to nighters while you where shitting yellow nappies but them days are far gone. I still love my oldies but now a days its x/over and 70/80's . And if your here to stay then at least some time give us some consructive views . MY LAST WORDS ON THIS THREAD

The problem is that when you join a forum like this, it's good manners to watch and learn and absorb what goes on here, not jump in feet first and act like you own the place, I had to edit one of Beeks posts in the reggae section because he wasn't following forum guidelines as to where to post tracks, and he more or less told me to f*ck off so if he can't show any respect for long-standing members of the forum, many of whom indeed have forgotten more than he'll ever know, then he'll have problems.

"I'm here - deal with it" - yes that really endears you to people.

Pete's hit the nail on the head here. Beeks may be a nice chap in person and may be sincere in his love of soul music, but his first few weeks of posting have just got peoples' backs up. It's not because he's young (at 35 he clearly isn't) but because he comes across as a dick.

Edited July 11, 200816 yr by garethx

The problem is that when you join a forum like this, it's good manners to watch and learn and absorb what goes on here, not jump in feet first and act like you own the place, I had to edit one of Beeks posts in the reggae section because he wasn't following forum guidelines as to where to post tracks, and he more or less told me to f*ck off so if he can't show any respect for long-standing members of the forum, many of whom indeed have forgotten more than he'll ever know, then he'll have problems.

"I'm here - deal with it" - yes that really endears you to people.

Since when has "endearing yourself to people" been your number one priority?

There's too many people read this forum and either never post, or just tow the line, for fear of getting a mauling.

I say good luck to anyone prepared to express an opinion, whether I agree with it or not.

Pete's hit the nail on the head here. Beeks may be a nice chap in person and may be sincere in his love of soul music, but his first few weeks of posting have just got people's backs up. It's not because he's young (at 35 he clearly isn't) but because he comes across as a dick.

Well this is my first posting on this thread! I've just been following it from time to time,and your right he as got my back up! And he is defo a DICK!

JB xxxKTFxxx

Since when has "endearing yourself to people" been your number one priority?

I don't remember coming on here and being disrespectful to long standing members of the forum who I had never met before. It takes time to integrate and know who you can take the piss out of and spar with and who you can't.

And they say a day's a long time in politics

Some peps can say what they want on hear, others get slaughtered, If your face fits etc

Some peps can say what they want on hear, others get slaughtered, If your face fits etc

Can you back that up with some facts?

Although ive only been on this forum a short time...and granted most of you have been in this scene since before I was a twinkle in my dads eye...as a promoter in Manchester for the last ten years in contemporary soul I feel I have earned a right to speak on this subject.

Since I have arrived all I have seen is bickering between various promoters about venues...underhand tactics...over promotion...saturation of nights etc etc...

The solution to this is simple...though the old brigade might find it hard to swallow...

You need new blood on the scene...you need to promote not just the nights but the music and atmosphere you create...

You only have to look at nights like Beat Boutique in Manchester and the relatively new Shake N Fingerpop in Wigan to know that the younger generation are becoming more and more aware of the music all of us love...

In contrast...I went to Prestwich last Friday...fantastic night thoroughly enjoyed...great music...friendly atmosphere...but absolutely no sign of young faces...perhaps a smattering here and there...but nothing significant...

Now I know all you promoters out there are great at what you do...so are the younger promoters...can there not be a happy medium between the two where you can attract both young and old to your nights?

My night used to be busy every week,...and yes I ran it every week...with ages from 18 up to 60+ coming to enjoy good soul music...

What im trying to say...and yes im a little long winded...is that you need to actively promote to the younger crowd if this scene has any chance of surviving another 10-20 years...because by then the original soulies...will be too old to go out dancing...then what?

Yes I know you can be notoriously snobby when it comes to safeguarding your music...I have had a love affair with it for many years now too...but its sad to say im in the minority...and im in the minority because it is little publicised....hammer the youth of today with enough flyers...actively take an interest in them...and they will come to the nights...im not saying it will be everyones cup of tea...but dont underestimate the youth...they are very clued up these days...and want something to throw themselves into...find a balance and there will be no bickering amongst promoters...because the scene will flourish...

Ill give you a parallel...ive been playing holdem poker for 10 years in the casinos...when I started you would find it hard to find a game anywhere...then the internet took off...now you can play it anywhere...

THIS SCENE WILL NEVER BE COMMERCIAL!!

So you can cut that crap straight away...it will never be mainstream again...so abit of good promotion to the younger generation will NOT damage the integrity of the scene...it will just help keep what we all love alive...

Rant over.

Intersting idea that's very hard to pull off. It's easy to promote this music anywhere in the world, it's great music, it will always have a place in clubs. But it's the promotion of the 'x factor' that's hard to achieve.

I've/we've struggled to achieve it at events in Essex, although have been close a couple of times, but it seems, touch wood, to be working very well in London at Soul Revolution, next party is Friday 18th July, sweet plug there, I thank you.

I think the type of younger crowd you attract is very important, as they have to be respectful, polite and there for the music, not pissed up cants. Also the type of 'soulie' you attract can't be pissed up cants, and have to be open minded and not snobby towards the yoof as well as the music. Easier said than done.

100 Club does it very well these days as well.

I see a fair few of the same 'younger' faces at Soul Revolution that then go to the 100 Club and visa versa, London clubbers who have 'found "Northern". I assume after picking up flyers for the events at either of the clubs or from internet search engines. The seeds are sown and that's the sign of it working.

I've not been to Beat Boutique in Manchester, but am due to be up there soon, I would like to think that the veteran soulies would support what they are doing there, and help promote the atmosphere. It's important I think, if you are interested in the bigger picture. I worry that most are in it for the social recentlydevourcedsinglesclubsafeplacetohangoutwithyourmateswithoutworryingabouts

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Can you back that up with some facts?

What I'm trying to say is that some people with 'soul cred' on here get away with saying things that a lesser person would get slaughterd for, meaning people biting their tongues [easy targets, eh...?]

What I'm trying to say is that some people with 'soul cred' on here get away with saying things that a lesser person would get slaughterd for, meaning people biting their tongues [easy targets, eh...?]

I don't think that's true Tim, I'm constantly having to bite my tongue and edit posts immediately because I don't think I can say what I really want to say, it must be the same for everyone

I don't think that's true Tim, I'm constantly having to bite my tongue and edit posts immediately because I don't think I can say what I really want to say, it must be the same for everyone

I didnt mean you Pete, i meant people with 'soul cred'

I didnt mean you Pete, i meant people with 'soul cred'

I don't know what 'soul cred' means so you'll have to excuse me

what an odd thread

if 35 =youth

then have to say things are grim

I'm only 23

Intersting idea that's very hard to pull off. It's easy to promote this music anywhere in the world, it's great music, it will always have a place in clubs. But it's the promotion of the 'x factor' that's hard to achieve.

I've/we've struggled to achieve it at events in Essex, although have been close a couple of times, but it seems, touch wood, to be working very well in London at Soul Revolution, next party is Friday 18th July, sweet plug there, I thank you.

I think the type of younger crowd you attract is very important, as they have to be respectful, polite and there for the music, not pissed up cants. Also the type of 'soulie' you attract can't be pissed up cants, and have to be open minded and not snobby towards the yoof as well as the music. Easier said than done.

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agree with that lot.............it's all around us like the steven king..........FOG

agree with that lot.............it's all around us like the steven king..........FOG

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Or even James Herberts 'the fog'?

certain parts of the scene are already commercial.....have a look at the brit photos and some of the cream cracker club a while ago.....both local soul nights.........with market stalls selling err! tat,shirts ect ect. Now tell me i'm wrong. These are the places to avoid imo.

Commercial places to avoid just because some fellas turned up selling shirts and whatever else ??? Commercial on it's first night, gotta wet my pants laughing!

For your information the lad or lads selling those were in the bar area of the Brit, not in your face shouting like some market stall holder, "Come en get yer beer towels" ffs...and even with those selling "tat" as you label it, I didn't notice the sales of such tat having much effect on the music.

Have you ever been to Burnley?!?

There is so much 'Wrong' with Burnley its not even true...its like the Costa Del Sol for inbreds

Beeks,

Me and Paul are from Burnley.

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Or even James Herberts 'the fog'?

Love- 15, Winnie

Commercial places to avoid just because some fellas turned up selling shirts and whatever else ??? Commercial on it's first night, gotta wet my pants laughing!

For your information the lad or lads selling those were in the bar area of the Brit, not in your face shouting like some market stall holder, "Come en get yer beer towels" ffs...and even with those selling "tat" as you label it, I didn't notice the sales of such tat having much effect on the music.

This sort of thing doesn't bother me in the slightest, in fact I've bought things a few times, especially when I lived in Hastings, there were very few soulies so I often used to wear an N.Soul t shirt and people would stop and talk now and again. I also used a Wigan Casino mug as a begging bowl on occasions.

Doesn't bother me either Pete, if folks wanna buy it, wear it, do what the hell they like with it for all I care. Not something I buy these days but each to their own.

Sad that one member can judge a soul night from photos in the Gallery showing a "Market Stall" and then labelling the venue as a commercial one to AVOID.

Did you get much in ya begging mug ?

Did you get much in ya begging mug ?

Think someone did a greenie in it and told me to f&ck off back to the Midlands...

I've not been to Beat Boutique in Manchester, but am due to be up there soon, I would like to think that the veteran soulies would support what they are doing there, and help promote the atmosphere. It's important I think, if you are interested in the bigger picture. I worry that most are in it for the social recentlydevourcedsinglesclubsafeplacetohangoutwithyourmateswithoutworryingabouts

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Blimey JT, I thought I could talk bollox,but Im not in your class

Bazza

Doesn't bother me either Pete, if folks wanna buy it, wear it, do what the hell they like with it for all I care. Not something I buy these days but each to their own.

Sad that one member can judge a soul night from photos in the Gallery showing a "Market Stall" and then labelling the venue as a commercial one to AVOID.

Did you get much in ya begging mug ?

. Like Blair looking at a photo of Saddam having a firework party with rockets and fancy dress and saying "lets go to war".

. Like Blair looking at a photo of Saddam having a firework party with rockets and fancy dress and saying "lets go to war".

Yep, misinterpreation, what you see isn't always what you get. Some firework party though!

Anyway, I thought to qualify as a commercial event it was compulsory to have both a market stall (or several) AND a dance competition ?

Hello Beeks

Simple solution to end bickering, saturation and all that.....sell all soul nights off to Peter Stringfellow.

It's going to be an impossible task getting new young blood into it, Beeks, you asked where you could buy baggies from in Wants. I don't see my 18 & 19 year olds being much interested if a dress code of 1970's terrible fashion is order of the day especially if they've got to walk out in public, or could you pass the fashion off as RETRO to young 'ens?

Hello Beeks

Simple solution to end bickering, saturation and all that.....sell all soul nights off to Peter Stringfellow.

It's going to be an impossible task getting new young blood into it, Beeks, you asked where you could buy baggies from in Wants. I don't see my 18 & 19 year olds being much interested if a dress code of 1970's terrible fashion is order of the day especially if they've got to walk out in public, or could you pass the fashion off as RETRO to young 'ens?

Tried it mate, not enough female soulies were willing to do pole dancing in the intermission between DJ spots, plenty of the blokes were though and old Pete wasnt impressed, bloody prude.

. We had 3 lads at the last Cracker that Bob Pollard told about the do, they are regulars at the Market harborough do, and they were 19 to 20 years old. They were dancing all night and went home well sweaty. I think (not 100%) that one of them was sick in urinal. But hey we were all young once. Dont know what they had been eating though it was dark red.

Edited July 11, 200816 yr by kev such

Hello Beeks

Simple solution to end bickering, saturation and all that.....sell all soul nights off to Peter Stringfellow.

that would be the same Pete Stringfellow that started the Mojo in Sheffield?

my knowledge on all aspects of soul music is unquestionable...so for someone to dismiss me from a few posts on a message board...

Which Frankie Valli tune are you pushing tonight to back up this rather large statement.

Even if your ego could back up your ridiculous pompous attitude, how come no-one I have spoken to in Manchester knows you?

And before you start your foul abuse, I have been speaking to people like Bugz etc, so dont assume old people only like Northern! Do some research before you attack.

I have done my research and it throws up some interesting information!!