PETER LAMARR - UNDER LOCK AND KEY/TAKING YOU FOR GRANTED

[Mike]

FFS have I not stated what this is and was I not told by certain moderators to basically NOT ask such questions or refer to forun rules because my opinion was not liked?

Rick

dont do moderating based on members opioionns

sure the mod who commented on your posts can answer

suspect it may have been more about the tone, and the place where you posted it but i leave that to teh other mod to answer

can you use feedback for all site matters please, hate to see us start getting called for moving posts

[Guest Scarborosoul]

ok Mike no probs. The tone was taken as it was meant.

Rick

[KevH]

Maybe the biggest floorfiller Ian.

But you know how you've often said " it wouldn't have got played at the Mecca,cos its not good enough"(or words to that effect), well that's how some of the guys react to Sid Barnes in today's context.

So overplayed, to the point of being irritating.Why? Cos it appeals to the masses.

It has nothing to do with the ethos that you and your peers started.

Begs the question,is this(Pete Lamarr) a soul record to preserve the "ethos" or is it a Pop record to make money?

FFS have I not stated what this is and was I not told by certain moderators to basically NOT ask such questions or refer to forun rules because my opinion was not liked?

Rick

Hi Rick,not sure if you're offended by my post ....or cos you've been pulled by the Mods,which i'm not aware of on this thread.

My post was in direct answer to IL,opening up debate regarding SB, and PL release.

[Guest Scarborosoul]

hiya Kev,

no not offended by yr post m8.

Rick

[Guest]

I'm sorry but this particular thread has been turned into a lynch mob, and has quite sickened me to the core. Certain parties have siezed upon one innocent record to get at me, as I kept my cool throughout the other thread, and now they got their wish and that thread's been moved.

When I read "is this(Pete Lamarr) a soul record to preserve the "ethos" or is it a Pop record to make money?", I could have cried.

This forum is becoming like the Russian Revolution pre 1917.

Them and us.

Kev Roberts was so damn right - it's all so easy to stand on a soapbox and criticise anyone else who ACTUALLY gets off their arse and does something. I think Carl Dixon is starting to find this out too.

I weep with despair. Tears of bitter blood.

I wish you all the same pride in your work that you've all denied me.

Maybe my comments on the Mary Fox show weren't so far off base after all, after reading all this. Any excuse to get the boot in for Levine, led by a couple of terrorists who deserve far worse than they've gotten so far.

I refuse to be like Bicknell and crawl under a rock every time someone hurts my feelings. But some of you should be deeply ashamed of yourselves, and you know damn well who you are.

[Pete S]

I'm sorry but this particular thread has been turned into a lynch mob, and has quite sickened me to the core. Certain parties have siezed upon one innocent record to get at me, as I kept my cool throughout the other thread, and now they got their wish and that thread's been moved.

When I read "is this(Pete Lamarr) a soul record to preserve the "ethos" or is it a Pop record to make money?", I could have cried.

This forum is becoming like the Russian Revolution pre 1917.

Them and us.

Kev Roberts was so damn right - it's all so easy to stand on a soapbox and criticise anyone else who ACTUALLY gets off their arse and does something. I think Carl Dixon is starting to find this out too.

I weep with despair. Tears of bitter blood.

I wish you all the same pride in your work that you've all denied me.

Maybe my comments on the Mary Fox show weren't so far off base after all, after reading all this. Any excuse to get the boot in for Levine, led by a couple of terrorists who deserve far worse than they've gotten so far.

I refuse to be like Bicknell and crawl under a rock every time someone hurts my feelings. But some of you should be deeply ashamed of yourselves, and you know damn well who you are.

I thought you were gonna ignore them? Everyone else does.

[Rupert]

I no likey.....'Reaching For The Best' is by far the best record you have produced IMO of course

i'm with you on that val.

this is not for me .

[Godzilla]

I'm sorry but this particular thread has been turned into a lynch mob, and has quite sickened me to the core. Certain parties have siezed upon one innocent record to get at me, as I kept my cool throughout the other thread, and now they got their wish and that thread's been moved.

When I read "is this(Pete Lamarr) a soul record to preserve the "ethos" or is it a Pop record to make money?", I could have cried.

This forum is becoming like the Russian Revolution pre 1917.

Them and us.

Kev Roberts was so damn right - it's all so easy to stand on a soapbox and criticise anyone else who ACTUALLY gets off their arse and does something. I think Carl Dixon is starting to find this out too.

I weep with despair. Tears of bitter blood.

I wish you all the same pride in your work that you've all denied me.

Maybe my comments on the Mary Fox show weren't so far off base after all, after reading all this. Any excuse to get the boot in for Levine, led by a couple of terrorists who deserve far worse than they've gotten so far.

I refuse to be like Bicknell and crawl under a rock every time someone hurts my feelings. But some of you should be deeply ashamed of yourselves, and you know damn well who you are.

Maybe if you didn't get quite so hysterical about things people wouldn't respond so strongly. So a few people have said they don't like a record. Hardly the end of the world is it. You've made it clear you don't like the KGF 45 but I bet they're not crying "tears of bloody bitter" or whatever. As for attacking Mark Bicknell in this thread and in members feedback - well ok you had a spat. Clearly you that's trying to keep the feud going by dropping it in to unrelated topics. And now you're again referring to something you said that more or less condemned all the members of this forum. Do you honestly have no idea what gets peoples' back up?

I didn't have much of an opinion on these threads either way, apart from starting get a bit fed up about how they are dominating the board (bugger - I'm contributing to it now!). Rapidly forming an opinion though...

Peace

Godz

Edited January 16, 2009 by Godzilla

[Guest Paul]

Hello,

I've lived with the track for a month and I think it will grow on many who didn't like it on first play. On the other hand, it may well start to fade with those who instantly fell in love with it. That's what often happens with catchy uptempo tracks.

But advance copies are due next week so it will soon be heard in clubs. And that's where it will work best.

I like the track (especially the drums, vibes and backing vocals) but I don't consider it to be Ian's best. We all have different favourites and they change from time to time.

Regarding suggestions that Ian is making "pop" records to earn big bucks, we need to remember that the market for physical sales is very small, especially for specialist vinyl. Most projects don't even recover basic manufacturing costs.

I reckon the real reason Ian made this track is because he enjoys the creative process. And when others appreciate the results, it makes it even more worthwhile.

Creativity and enterprise should always be encouraged.

Best regards,

Paul

[Guest Hunnymon]

I don't hate it, but I wouldn't buy it.

Those hey, hey, hey, yeh, yeh,yeh's in the lyrics sound so old hat these days, they really grate on me after a couple of plays.

It's all too electronic and definatly not another "Wrong Side Of Town".

Good luck with it though.

[KevH]

I'm sorry but this particular thread has been turned into a lynch mob, and has quite sickened me to the core. Certain parties have siezed upon one innocent record to get at me, as I kept my cool throughout the other thread, and now they got their wish and that thread's been moved.

When I read "is this(Pete Lamarr) a soul record to preserve the "ethos" or is it a Pop record to make money?", I could have cried.

This forum is becoming like the Russian Revolution pre 1917.

Them and us.

Kev Roberts was so damn right - it's all so easy to stand on a soapbox and criticise anyone else who ACTUALLY gets off their arse and does something. I think Carl Dixon is starting to find this out too.

I weep with despair. Tears of bitter blood.

I wish you all the same pride in your work that you've all denied me.

Maybe my comments on the Mary Fox show weren't so far off base after all, after reading all this. Any excuse to get the boot in for Levine, led by a couple of terrorists who deserve far worse than they've gotten so far.

I refuse to be like Bicknell and crawl under a rock every time someone hurts my feelings. But some of you should be deeply ashamed of yourselves, and you know damn well who you are.

Ian,no lynch mob at all,just expressing a view.My quote regards PL was aimed at debate,not me actually knowing the answer.!!.Some of us still like the "old" values attached to the scene,be they are misguided or not.

This is no them and us,i'm only commenting on one of your releases.

Why cry with depair? Just because i don't agree with you.?

You've not commented on the question - ethos vs money tho'.

Nobody is denying you any pride in your work.

Like i said in a previous Ian Levine thread "All that money spent at the Mecca didn't go to waste then"(tongue firmly in cheek).God,you've made me feel such a dinosaur.

Kev..............from the very shallow end of the gene (soul) pool.

[Guest]

It's all too electronic and definatly not another "Wrong Side Of Town".

There isn't one electronic sound anywhere NEAR it. I applied all the same principles as Venicia Wilson throughout.

Edited January 16, 2009 by Ian Levine

[Guest]

Those hey, hey, hey, yeh, yeh,yeh's in the lyrics sound so old hat these days, they really grate on me after a couple of plays.

Peter Lamarr put those in. He's from Detroit and sang in The Drifters for about twenty years. I'll pass your comments on to him. I'm sure he'll be thrilled to bits to be described as old hat.

[Guest Soulfood33]

I no likey.....'Reaching For The Best' is by far the best record you have produced IMO of course

i'm with you on that val.

this is not for me .

Rupert,

It was a great record and easily the finest 45 with Levine's name on the label.

But remember he borrowed the title from SIMON SOUSAN and Herb Rooney had a big hand in writing and producing it.

If you want to hear pure Ian Levine just wade through his later efforts without the help of talents like Herb Rooney or Danny Leake.

Check this one out Nightmare 47 - Seventh Avenue - The Right Combination - you'll hear plagiarism at it's most blatant with bucket full of lyric cliches employed, I felt quite ill at the end of it, nauseous in fact.

Ian, I applaud your efforts and your persistence but please stop asking everyone to pat you on the back and massage your ego. In amongst the mountain of dross there are a few nice records, but I've put that down to the law of averages and who was in the studio with you at the time.

Ian, slightly modified for you.

Quite rightly I don't know what percentage of input you had of "Reachin", all I know is the titles that had a percentage of Herb Rooney and Danny Leake ain't bad some are fantastic, the ones that had a large percentage of you are mostly dross. With the exception of a few ..

Edited January 18, 2009 by Soulfood33

[Pete S]

Rupert,

It was a great record and easily the finest 45 with Levine's name on the label.

Have to disagree with this. Running In Another Direction and 24 Hours A Day both murder Reaching For The Best.

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/rare-northern...ion-island-6280

Edited January 17, 2009 by Pete S

[Guest]

Rupert,

It was a great record and easily the finest 45 with Levine's name on the label.

But remember he stole the title from SIMON SOUSAN and Herb Rooney wrote and produced it. Although Ian will say Herb had very little to do with it.

If you want to hear pure Ian Levine just wade through his later efforts without the help of talents like Herb Rooney or Danny Leake.

Check this one out Nightmare 47 - Seventh Avenue - The Right Combination - you'll hear plagiarism at it's most blatant with bucket full of lyric cliches employed, I felt quite ill at the end of it, nauseous in fact.

Ian, I applaud your efforts and your persistence but please stop asking everyone to pat you on the back and massage your ego. In amongst the mountain of dross there are a few nice records, but I've put that down to the law of averages and who was in the studio with you at the time.

I reported this post, but have now been asked by the Moderators to reply in person.

This is slander.

You were not there in February 1975 in Queens, New York, when we wrote "Reaching For The Best".

The song is registered with both MCPS and PRS as having been written 50% by me and 50% by Herb Rooney, which it was.

Your comments are slanderous. And represent under law what is called a "malicious falsehood"

I reserve all my legal rights.

You also hold me up to ridicule by selecting a piece of 1980s pop dance music that I was involved with and hold it up to comparison with my soul output. If you'd held up Chuck Jackson's "All Over The World" or Johnny Bristol's "Keeping My Mind Off Love" or Billy Griffin "Technicolour", you might have had a fair and reasoned case, but you purposely didn't.

It was misrepresentative and cynically designed to deceive.

Once again I reserve all my rights legally.

If a reviewer was fairly reviewing Leona Lewis's "Bleeding Love" or Alexandra Burke's "Hallelujah", it would be grossly misrepresentative to discuss Zig and Zag, or The Power Rangers records, just because they were also made by Simon Cowell.

Gross misrepresentation.

I repeat, once again I reserve all my rights legally.

[Guest Scarborosoul]

Post moved to feedback

Edited January 17, 2009 by Scarborosoul

[Guest Hunnymon]

Peter Lamarr put those in. He's from Detroit and sang in The Drifters for about twenty years. I'll pass your comments on to him. I'm sure he'll be thrilled to bits to be described as old hat.

I can't think of any reason why you would want to do that!

All I'm saying, is that in my opinion. the song would be better without them.

[Guest Hunnymon]

Rupert,

It was a great record and easily the finest 45 with Levine's name on the label.

But remember he stole the title from SIMON SOUSAN and Herb Rooney wrote and produced it. Although Ian will say Herb had very little to do with it.

It was in-fact a clever dig at the time by Ian at Simon who had made up the title and put it on a sales list, even though the record did not exist.

[Guest gordon russell]

when will you get it that you can't contrive to make a norvern soul record.It can only ever be a pop record and should be judged acordingly.The music that we listen to was made at a time when the soul scene in england wasn't even thought of.You've made a pop ditty......so lets see if it gets in the charts

[Mike]

Maybe my comments on the Mary Fox show weren't so far off base after all, after reading all this. Any excuse to get the boot in for Levine, led by a couple of terrorists who deserve far worse than they've gotten so far.

I refuse to be like Bicknell and crawl under a rock every time someone hurts my feelings. But some of you should be deeply ashamed of yourselves, and you know damn well who you are.

totally out of order unprovoked attack on another member

final warning any more and will take action

[Guest Bicks]

Come on now people.

There is a minimum age to sign up to sites like this meaning we are all adults.

Mike and the other moderators are doing a thankless task with all this rubbish, if I was them I'd be thinking "Sod this for a game of soldiers" and shutting the whole thing down.

DO WE SERIOUSLY WANT THAT?

The petty squabbling is getting nobody anywhere an really spoiling what is otherwise a fascinating site.

Here's and idea.

If Ian decides to post anything on the site he can put his name in the title (which to be fair he has been doing), anybody who doesn't like him then knows NOT to look at the post it seems simple to me, if someone annoys you so much don't speak to them, you wouldn't speak to someone you didn't like in the street so why on here.

I don't personally know anybody on this site and some people's opinions I don't agree with, and I found out with a good tongue-bashing that not everybody agrees with my opinions but please let's try and get on and let the site do what it is good at.

And to Mike and the other moderators, keep up the good work.

[Guest Scarborosoul]

Come on now people.

There is a minimum age to sign up to sites like this meaning we are all adults.

Mike and the other moderators are doing a thankless task with all this rubbish, if I was them I'd be thinking "Sod this for a game of soldiers" and shutting the whole thing down.

DO WE SERIOUSLY WANT THAT?

The petty squabbling is getting nobody anywhere an really spoiling what is otherwise a fascinating site.

Here's and idea.

If Ian decides to post anything on the site he can put his name in the title (which to be fair he has been doing), anybody who doesn't like him then knows NOT to look at the post it seems simple to me, if someone annoys you so much don't speak to them, you wouldn't speak to someone you didn't like in the street so why on here.

I don't personally know anybody on this site and some people's opinions I don't agree with, and I found out with a good tongue-bashing that not everybody agrees with my opinions but please let's try and get on and let the site do what it is good at.

And to Mike and the other moderators, keep up the good work.

What did Mike and the moderators sing?? OOOOH and please tell me who produced it

[Guest]

when will you get it that you can't contrive to make a norvern soul record. It can only ever be a pop record and should be judged acordingly.

That's the single most blinkered and ridiculous and nonsensical statement I have ever had the misfortune to read in my entire life, and then some.

[Guest]

when will you get it that you can't contrive to make a norvern soul record.It can only ever be a pop record and should be judged acordingly.The music that we listen to was made at a time when the soul scene in england wasn't even thought of.You've made a pop ditty......so lets see if it gets in the charts

I wonder how all those folks who run onto the floor at Northern Soul gigs to dance to the hugely popular Sidney Barnes will view this nonsensical and unfounded opinion of yours.

[Guest BigPaul]

I wonder how all those folks who run onto the floor at Northern Soul gigs to dance to the hugely popular Sidney Barnes will view this nonsensical and unfounded opinion of yours.

Dont do it at any i attend

Which ones are you currently attending? to see folks running on to the floor?

[Guest Soulfood33]

Rupert,

It was a great record and easily the finest 45 with Levine's name on the label.

But remember he stole the title from SIMON SOUSAN and Herb Rooney wrote and produced it. Although Ian will say Herb had very little to do with it.

If you want to hear pure Ian Levine just wade through his later efforts without the help of talents like Herb Rooney or Danny Leake.

Check this one out Nightmare 47 - Seventh Avenue - The Right Combination - you'll hear plagiarism at it's most blatant with bucket full of lyric cliches employed, I felt quite ill at the end of it, nauseous in fact.

Ian, I applaud your efforts and your persistence but please stop asking everyone to pat you on the back and massage your ego. In amongst the mountain of dross there are a few nice records, but I've put that down to the law of averages and who was in the studio with you at the time.

[Guest KEN-SOUL]

Hello ian. i think you have produced a very good pop record. yesterday, for the first time me thinks anyway, i heard a track by Young Folk- "lonely girl" and it blew me away! what a classic. i also heard for the first time in years Syl Johnson- "do you know what love is" oh the memories! that is what i call northern soul ian, unfortunately your good product doesn't come close...

[Ian Dewhirst]

Well, I'm playing Peter Lamarr "Taking You For Granted" @ 3.27pm today on the Original Mastercuts show on www.starpointradio.com. It's a wonderful mid-tempo stepper and will sound just wonderful on radio! So there nyaaaaah.........

Ian D

[Phild]

Begs the question,is this(Pete Lamarr) a soul record to preserve the "ethos" or is it a Pop record to make money?

Well, I can say it's definitely NOT been done to make money. It would be great if it did make loads of money. I absolutely love making money, because then I can buy more records, cars, holidays etc.

And the ethos it preserves, I suppose, is that of good songs being sung by good singers.

I "hope" that we'll sell enough to cover the costs, but if we don't then that's life.

It is being put out because we at Soul Intention records believe it deserves a release on vinyl, because by being on vinyl it WILL get played by some DJ's. There are 500 copies being produced. If you want to pre-order it you will be able to do so via https://www.soul-intention.co.uk by next weekend.

Cheers

Phil

[KevH]

Well, I can say it's definitely NOT been done to make money. It would be great if it did make loads of money. I absolutely love making money, because then I can buy more records, cars, holidays etc.

And the ethos it preserves, I suppose, is that of good songs being sung by good singers.

I "hope" that we'll sell enough to cover the costs, but if we don't then that's life.

It is being put out because we at Soul Intention records believe it deserves a release on vinyl, because by being on vinyl it WILL get played by some DJ's. There are 500 copies being produced. If you want to pre-order it you will be able to do so via https://www.soul-intention.co.uk by next weekend.

Cheers

Phil

Thank you for your answer Phil.

[Guest]

Well, I can say it's definitely NOT been done to make money. It would be great if it did make loads of money. I absolutely love making money, because then I can buy more records, cars, holidays etc.

And the ethos it preserves, I suppose, is that of good songs being sung by good singers.

I "hope" that we'll sell enough to cover the costs, but if we don't then that's life.

It is being put out because we at Soul Intention records believe it deserves a release on vinyl, because by being on vinyl it WILL get played by some DJ's. There are 500 copies being produced. If you want to pre-order it you will be able to do so via https://www.soul-intention.co.uk by next weekend.

Cheers

Phil

I wish I had the ability to handle it all as calmly and as tolerantly as you do.

I guess if I did, I wouldn't have the same level of passion as I do, but I don't half admire your patience with some of them.

[Phild]

I wish I had the ability to handle it all as calmly and as tolerantly as you do.

I guess if I did, I wouldn't have the same level of passion as I do, but I don't half admire your patience with some of them.

I admire your passion Ian, as you know. But I don't believe that I have any less than you.

If I have a certain amount of tact and diplomacy. It has been learned by necessity over many years of being in sales. That's how I earn my living.

Edited January 18, 2009 by phild

[Phild]

Thank you for your answer Phil.

No problem.

How many copies do you want to pre-order?

[KevH]

No problem.

How many copies do you want to pre-order?

Thanks for the offer Phil, but i'll take a raincheck for the moment.All the best with sales of PL,i mean that most sincerely.

Tact and diplomacy,pleasure to exchange posts with you Phil. .

[Dave]

I wonder how all those folks who run onto the floor at Northern Soul gigs to dance to the hugely popular Sidney Barnes will view this nonsensical and unfounded opinion of yours.

Where does this happen then?

Maybe a few east mids baggie events where they are desperate to be seen to play something "new"? Duffy gets played at these do's too!

[Dave]

Thanks for the offer Phil, but i'll take a raincheck for the moment.All the best with sales of PL,i mean that most sincerely.

Is that your Hughie Green impersonation Kev?

[KevH]

Is that your Hughie Green impersonation Kev?

i am ignoring this user

[Guest]

Well, I can say it's definitely NOT been done to make money. It would be great if it did make loads of money. I absolutely love making money, because then I can buy more records, cars, holidays etc.

And the ethos it preserves, I suppose, is that of good songs being sung by good singers.

I "hope" that we'll sell enough to cover the costs, but if we don't then that's life.

It is being put out because we at Soul Intention records believe it deserves a release on vinyl, because by being on vinyl it WILL get played by some DJ's. There are 500 copies being produced. If you want to pre-order it you will be able to do so via https://www.soul-intention.co.uk by next weekend.

Cheers

Phil

And here it is at last....

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[Paul-s]

I don't hate it, but I wouldn't buy it.

Its so purile, its hard to hate. Hate takes effort and this record doesn't deserve the effort it takes to hate it.

'crying bitter tears of blood' Bit dramatic isn't it Ian? Maybe you should do an Albert square, 'Eastenders' release with all that pent up drama

The record is just a 'bad effort'. Have another go....you may eventually get it right! Dont, whatever you do, give up your dream! Its a marshmallow life!

[Guest]

Its so purile, its hard to hate.

It's spelt puerile.

And without being rude, any comments you have to make about my music are of less than zero interest to me, and you have to be the single most biased man on these entire boards, so why bother commenting about anything I'm involved with, when everyone on here knows that your comments are always tainted with poison.

You're now just wasting your time and energy, which should be better directed in other areas, in my humble opinion.

I mean, REALLY, come on, Paul Sadot, don't you have ANYTHING better to do ????

I'm being civil to you purely for Mike Hughes sake. If this wasn't Soul Source, my reply would be an extremely different one that might make your hair curl.

[Ernie Andrews]

The Northern side sounds just like another 4 vandals record with a different lead vocalist.

Its not balanced very well and its your opinion Ian but If you think that its the best youve produced then you are deluding yourself. I dont like comparing records but this is not in the same league as the Exciters/ James Wells and LJ Johnson. I am not saying this for nostalgia reasons but on techinical grounds.

The other side is pretty poor and sounds like its been copied from an Angel studio cut - Sounded abit like - Soothe you - in terms of beat but again the synthetic instruments let it down.

Ill probably buy it and as you say in a few years it might get the plays but it doesnt hit you like Kings go forth and therefore I am willing to bet you a nice bottle of wine that it doesnt get the DJ attention you are hoping for.

Sorry if this sounds negative but Its my true view on this preview heard.

[Guest]

but again the synthetic instruments let it down.

There aren't any.

If you think there are, then either you ought to go to the doctor's to get him to give you an ear syringe, or else maybe it might be an idea to catch up on some sleep.

[Guest]

The Northern side sounds just like another 4 vandals record with a different lead vocalist.

Thankyou.

You couldn't pay me a higher compliment than that.

[Phild]

Well in my opinion for what it's worth (not a great deal I know). I think it's great. Just got the test pressings yesterday and they sound fantastic!

It sounds so much better on vinyl than any digital version I have heard.

In fact I like it so much I'm releasing on vinyl imminently

Plenty of people will love it I'm sure. I know I do.

Phil

[Guest Mrs Simsy]

Hmmm, i've listened to it 4 times now & i think it's a grower. Enjoyed the youtube clip.

[Guest Bearsy]

just out of interest how much is it for a copy ?

[Phild]

just out of interest how much is it for a copy ?

It's a mere £10.00 + P&P.

It will be available shortly via the website - www.soul-intention.co.uk

Cheers

Phil

[Phild]

Hmmm, i've listened to it 4 times now & i think it's a grower. Enjoyed the youtube clip.

It is a grower. Both sides are great IMO. Very different from each other. We should have made it a Double A side

Phil

[paup-ine]

I like it, it definitely grows on you, which is a good thing.

Can you post up the b side again, I can't get it to down load on the other side!

P