Rogermoff Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Still trying to get one after the 2 replies never got back to me. I only want an issue on Mary Jane. Please let me know by PM or reply, and give me a phone number to call please. Thanks, Roger Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bigsoulman Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Still trying to get one after the 2 replies never got back to me. I only want an issue on Mary Jane. Please let me know by PM or reply, and give me a phone number to call please. Thanks, Roger PM'd you Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rogermoff Posted March 12, 2010 Author Share Posted March 12, 2010 Just for clarity - my existing scratched version is on a black and white Mary Jane, not red and white. I believe it to be an issue, and I've had it over 20 years. I want to replace it for DJing and listening to generally, so another issue will do fine. If I'm sat on a scratched record worth £200-300 if it was mint then I'll look at having it restored, but as I've had offers of around £20-30 when I posted this previously (but no takers that called back anyway!) I think I can get one for that price. Any advice?? Ta, Rog Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Johnmcc Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Just for clarity - my existing scratched version is on a black and white Mary Jane, not red and white. I believe it to be an issue, and I've had it over 20 years. I want to replace it for DJing and listening to generally, so another issue will do fine. If I'm sat on a scratched record worth £200-300 if it was mint then I'll look at having it restored, but as I've had offers of around £20-30 when I posted this previously (but no takers that called back anyway!) I think I can get one for that price. Any advice?? Ta, Rog Real one on ebay. https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/edward-hamilton-baby-dont-you-weep_W0QQitemZ170455820822QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Records?hash=item27aff56a16 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rogermoff Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 A Bootleg will do - anyone got one? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
paultp Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Just for clarity - my existing scratched version is on a black and white Mary Jane, not red and white. I believe it to be an issue, and I've had it over 20 years. I want to replace it for DJing and listening to generally, so another issue will do fine. If I'm sat on a scratched record worth £200-300 if it was mint then I'll look at having it restored, but as I've had offers of around £20-30 when I posted this previously (but no takers that called back anyway!) I think I can get one for that price. Any advice?? Ta, Rog I'm going to state the obvious here as nobody else has; the one you have is the bootleg so it isn't worth 200 quid. The original is the red/white checked one with blue lettering (see JM's latest guide for examples). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Seaman Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 told him this a few times !!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wrongcrowd Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 A Bootleg will do - anyone got one? Yes, you have... it's the black and white one in your box..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Just to point out, again, that there is also a very, very rare coloured label counterfeit of this. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 Just to point out, again, that there is also a very, very rare coloured label counterfeit of this. IS THIS THE ONE I GOT PETE, CAN YOU REMEMBER US COMPAIRING IT? WAZZ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gfarrington Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 IS THIS THE ONE I GOT PETE, CAN YOU REMEMBER US COMPAIRING IT? WAZZ you can tell by the fact it has a very small run in, Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 you can tell by the fact it has a very small run in, BUT THE THING IS THIS ONE HASNT GOT A SMALL RUN IN.......ODD? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 IS THIS THE ONE I GOT PETE, CAN YOU REMEMBER US COMPAIRING IT? WAZZ Yeah thats the one mate. Remember John Manship being amazed that there was a coloured counterfeit? So was I! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Just curious: if I'm correctly informed, the 2nd issue of this has the "A Mike Terry Arr." credit on the label. Anyone know when this 2nd issue came out? Must not have been much later than the original. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Lambretta Gp 200 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 hi the original is red & blue and there is a good copy about that came out of detriot last year but there is a small difference, in the run out it should have a stamp saying frankford wayne and this must be stamped hope this helps cheers moz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Anoraks Corner Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Just curious: if I'm correctly informed, the 2nd issue of this has the "A Mike Terry Arr." credit on the label. Has it actually been 100% confirmed which came first...as in with or without Mike Terry credit? In my experience I have seen far more with his name credit on it (quite often vg+ with label wear), than without. I also note with interest that one on Popsike 'without' also has a 'Chips' distribution sticker on it to confuse us further! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Iancsloft Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I asked Mike about this a few years ago and he said he thought it had only been issued with his name credited ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Just had a look at Mike Terry credit copy and it has a "Nashville" stamp. Reading last few contributions if there is a Frankford-Wayne stamped copy and Flynny refers to non-credit copy on Popsike with no MT credit and "Chips" sticker, just putting 2+2 together [probably making 5!] is it that it was distributed around Philly and Eastern seaboard by Chips [Weldon McDougal worked there] and copies were pressed at local pressing plant making no credit copy the non-Detroit pressing. This of course relies on all non-credit copies having "F-W" stamp. I don't know cos I don't have that issue. ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest bully7 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 and so to the original question, has anyone got a copy or two, cos i wouldn't mind one either..................cheers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Anoraks Corner Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Just had a look at Mike Terry credit copy and it has a "Nashville" stamp. Reading last few contributions if there is a Frankford-Wayne stamped copy and Flynny refers to non-credit copy on Popsike with no MT credit and "Chips" sticker, just putting 2+2 together [probably making 5!] is it that it was distributed around Philly and Eastern seaboard by Chips [Weldon McDougal worked there] and copies were pressed at local pressing plant making no credit copy the non-Detroit pressing. This of course relies on all non-credit copies having "F-W" stamp. I don't know cos I don't have that issue. ROD A fine theory, but alas the 'without' copy I have also has a Nashville Matrix stamp, so back to the drawing board I'm afraid. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 A fine theory, but alas the 'without' copy I have also has a Nashville Matrix stamp, so back to the drawing board I'm afraid. My one chance for fame and renown cruelly dashed. What are these FW stamped copies referred to upthread then? Can't say I've ever noticed it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I have both of the the red white and blue originals - with and without the Mike Terry credit. I'm sure I posted up the details of the two versions a while back - just needs a search for the thread. Pretty sure they are both Nashville stamped - not one Frankford-Wayne stamped - will check later. I think the without Mike Terry credit is the rarer and possibly the original if there is a difference - after all why repress without a credit? Here's the previous thread about the coloured counterfeit: https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/topic/100698-edward-hamilton-baby-dont-you-weep/page__p__1058709__fromsearch__1entry1058709 Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I have both of the the red white and blue originals - with and without the Mike Terry credit. I'm sure I posted up the details of the two versions a while back - just needs a search for the thread. Pretty sure they are both Nashville stamped - not one Frankford-Wayne stamped - will check later. I think the without Mike Terry credit is the rarer and possibly the original if there is a difference - after all why repress without a credit? Here's the previous thread about the coloured counterfeit: https://www.soul-sour...1entry1058709 Cheers Richard Just checked - both the 'with'and 'without' copies have idential deadwax markings with Nashville stamp Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 https://cgi.ebay.com/EDWARD-HAMILTON-BABY-DONT-YOU-WEEP-NORTHERN-SOUL-hear_W0QQitemZ200480369249QQcategoryZ306QQcmdZViewItem Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Sonbert , Flynny,Richard I can sense some confusion entering here as upthread AK45 mentions a "second issue" with MT credits and now Barry W. auctions a copy stating it's a second issue. There are two original label designs. Is the one on auction an original MT credit ,now to be known as a "second issue" or is it a boot, ie a later issue due to Northern demand.? ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Iancsloft Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The nashville stamped Mike Terry credit is defo not a second issue take mi word for it Rod Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Anoraks Corner Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Just curious: if I'm correctly informed, the 2nd issue of this has the "A Mike Terry Arr." credit on the label. Anyone know when this 2nd issue came out? Must not have been much later than the original. The key words being 'if I'm correctly informed'. May we ask as to who informed you of what...did this someone have definitive evidence as to which came first? Maybe confusion has arisen and a merger of the two statements of, 'which was rarer' and 'which came first', has led to the 'with' variant suddenly being unfairly known as a '2nd issue'? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 https://cgi.ebay.com/...6QQcmdZViewItem i saw that too harry.......... barry waddington.. the uk`s answer to sebastian. how does he do it. or is it people not reading descriptions properly.it must be surely dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) i saw that too harry.......... barry waddington.. the uk`s answer to sebastian. how does he do it. or is it people not reading descriptions properly.it must be surely dave So Barry's is the bootleg then,Dave? Edited June 13, 2010 by modernsoulsucks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) i saw that too harry.......... barry waddington.. the uk`s answer to sebastian. how does he do it. or is it people not reading descriptions properly.it must be surely dave My mate up here has one of these dave, he told me he only paid a fiver for it, my immediate reaction was BARGAIN, but there was no nashville matrix, i was of the same opinion as john manship, i`d never seen one before, i just presumed all the blue text red checked copies were right and the black checked ones, black text were wrong Edited June 13, 2010 by SONBERT Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 and so to the original question, has anyone got a copy or two, cos i wouldn't mind one either..................cheers Andy Dyson has one, if I remember rightly it has the Mike Terry credit on the label. Dysonsoul@aol.com Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 we`ve determined there`s two original copies and they sell for decent money.`nashville matrix with/ without M terry credit. and theres a counterfeit wth black text and logo. is the unstamped `original looking`copy that pete smith and JM seen on 90`s style vinyl or is it the same as the 60`s orig without the stamp dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 (edited) The key words being 'if I'm correctly informed'. May we ask as to who informed you of what...did this someone have definitive evidence as to which came first? Nope, no definitive evidence. I was only going off a seller's description of this sale: https://www.popsike.c...0165592224.html "FIRST ISSUE - Second issue has credit to Mike Terry on the label" No idea where he came up with that, it just seemed to make sense. As someone, somewhere, on some thread postulated "Why do a later copy without the credit"? Hence my original question, "how long between issues". I figured they probably ran a few copies without the credit, said "whoops, we forgot something", then immediately pressed up some more. is the unstamped `original looking`copy that pete smith and JM seen on 90`s style vinyl or is it the same as the 60`s orig without the stamp Well, I asked Barry Waddington about this, on his recent auctioned copy (sold for $157.50 USD). This copy definitely doesn't have the Nashville Matrix. I asked if it had a thinner vinyl as reported, he said no...but hey, without having a copy in my hands who knows? Most likely it is the thinner flexi vinyl. Edited June 14, 2010 by ak45 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Seaman Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 i have an original issue for sale ( without M Terry credit) it has a tiny edge crack that goes into the vinyl for 1/2 an inch but does not show up in any way or form, it plays mint with no ticks/clicks guarenteed or your money back. Label is ex++ PM with an offer please. Cheers, Ian. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 i have an original issue for sale ( without M Terry credit) it has a tiny edge crack that goes into the vinyl for 1/2 an inch but does not show up in any way or form, it plays mint with no ticks/clicks guarenteed or your money back. Label is ex++ PM with an offer please. Cheers, Ian. Swap ya a couple of homemade deep soul CDs for it mate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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