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I can't believe I'm even answering this.

Sometimes people walk up to the stage and ask for things they want to hear (I think they're called requests)

Other times you will notice that there are some types of record that people dance to and others that they don't (If you're clever you pick up the clues)

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:huh::huh::huh:

I can't believe I'm even answering this.

Sometimes people walk up to the stage and ask for things they want to hear (I think they're called requests)

Other times you will notice that there are some types of record that people dance to and others that they don't (If you're clever you pick up the clues)

:glare::glare::glare:

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I can't believe I'm even answering this.

Sometimes people walk up to the stage and ask for things they want to hear (I think they're called requests)

(isn't that the cue to pop it into the "oblivion" part of the box?) :lol:

Other times you will notice that there are some types of record that people dance to and others that they don't (If you're clever you pick up the clues)

(what about the ones who dance to everything....that throws a real curve ball into the mix.... :) )

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:huh::huh::huh:

I can't believe I'm even answering this.

Sometimes people walk up to the stage and ask for things they want to hear (I think they're called requests)

Other times you will notice that there are some types of record that people dance to and others that they don't (If you're clever you pick up the clues)

:glare::glare::glare:

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I can't believe I'm even answering this.

Sometimes people walk up to the stage and ask for things they want to hear (I think they're called requests)

(isn't that the cue to pop it into the "oblivion" part of the box?) :lol:

Other times you will notice that there are some types of record that people dance to and others that they don't (If you're clever you pick up the clues)

(what about the ones who dance to everything....that throws a real curve ball into the mix.... :) )

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I knew I shouldn't have got into this :sleep3:

If its in your box you should be prepared to play it.

If you know the venue and what the promotor wants the contents of your box will be appropriate.

If they'll dance to anything well that's great

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A perfect example was at the last Walton' event. Tom & Derick did a full 90 minutes set of mostly oldies records (all originals and all excellent) to a quarter full floor. The second to last record they played was Dobie Gray - Out on the floor, and hey presto, the floor was rammed. The well known classics always please!

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:D ...............there's something strangely alluring about a dancefloor that is buzzing to the likes of 'Stoned Love' etc. Think in this case--its not overplayed 'norvern' classics but more a case of underplayed yoof club choons. Apples peaches, ....Ready now,....Sweetest Feeling,....Blue Skies etc etc are the staple ones that come to mind. BUT what would be thought of as underplayed 'yoofie' sounds.

..Careful now one might have to admit frequenting such events :D :D :D ..or having a sneaky fondness for such tunes, :D

..Played at the right sort of gig.I quite like some of the early 70's philly stuff .....................

Agree with you and don't mind admitting being fond of Club Classics - The Soul Night I usually attend plays a fair smattering of these and for me it's part of it's charm. Was at Crossfire on Saturday and one of the best spins in the main room was 4 Tops Reach Out although I was a bit surprised to hear Groovin With Mr Bloe and The Casualeers.

Here's a few Soul Night Spins I'd go for which haven't been mentioned:-

5 Stairsteps & Cubie - Stay Close To Me

Impressions - Can't Satisfy/ You've been Cheating

Harold Melvin -Satisfaction Guarenteed

Trammps - Hold Back The Night

Platters - With This Ring

O'Jays - Backstabbers

Barry White - What Am I Gonna Do With You

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Two records that would still get me up for a shuffle .Donnie Elbert Little piece of leather .Formations At the top of the stairs used to get played at the Mayfair in Walsall town centre early 70's Formations record quite ironic has you had to climb about five sets of stairs to get in the place

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Two records that would still get me up for a shuffle .Donnie Elbert Little piece of leather .Formations At the top of the stairs used to get played at the Mayfair in Walsall town centre early 70's Formations record quite ironic has you had to climb about five sets of stairs to get in the place

some good calls there for 'yoofie' type sounds

Impressions as well does the trick Autumnstoned---and forgotten about that little 5 stairsteps one----at the time it seemed so tame ---but had its share of spins

....oh and here's a killer I know the topic starter absolutely detests anything 'Donnie Elbert'---it makes him vomit :ohmy::D :D ....lol am sure it'll grow on him in time :D

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George Benson - supership

I heard someone play Judy Street "What" in the main ballroom at Brid weekender too, and i must admit, after not hearing it for the last 30 years, it didnt sound too bad, went down a storm too!

Good pick, on Broadway was big at Wig, wasnt it as well?

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Good pick, on Broadway was big at Wig, wasnt it as well?

On Broadway was pretty big at a lot of venues around that time Geese, along with many other tunes from the "jazz funk explosion" :) it actually reminds me of the discos they had at Willenhall baths, midweek, finished about 9.30, almost like a youth club, and among the other more popular tunes they played were Salsaoul 3001 - Salsoul Orchestra, This will be a night to remember - Eddie Holman, Movin & Ha Cha Cha by Brass construction, Jam Jam Jam (all night long) - Peoples Choice etc..... oh the memories!!

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:D ...............there's something strangely alluring about a dancefloor that is buzzing to the likes of 'Stoned Love' etc. Think in this case--its not overplayed 'norvern' classics but more a case of underplayed yoof club choons. Apples peaches, ....Ready now,....Sweetest Feeling,....Blue Skies etc etc are the staple ones that come to mind. BUT what would be thought of as underplayed 'yoofie' sounds. ..Careful now one might have to admit frequenting such events :D :D :D ..or having a sneaky fondness for such tunes, :D

..Played at the right sort of gig.I quite like some of the early 70's philly stuff .....................

Eddie Floyd - Things get better

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just got a record list through the post and on it is shirley and the shirelles-look what you've done to my heart! jeeez i had forgot i wanted this,not heard this since the early 80's,anybody know when the last time this was given an airing? or were and by who?

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just got a record list through the post and on it is shirley and the shirelles-look what you've done to my heart! jeeez i had forgot i wanted this,not heard this since the early 80's,anybody know when the last time this was given an airing? or were and by who?

I love this too,have it on US Bell, UK Bell and New Zealand Stateside ................. :thumbsup:

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It's a clear-cut thing as far as I can see! - It's all about what the punters in that venue want.

Its not about what the DJ wants to play (either for himself or to impress his couple of mates stroking their chins in the corner) - IMHO too many DJ's forget this!

(Some of the records I play in my spots do absolutely nothing for me personally, but they have either been requested, or I know that they will go down well on the night, but I'm not playing them for myself, and I'm not ashamed to play them for the people who love those records) it's all part of the job (and there are certain aspects in any job that we don't like, but we get on with it).

After all, when you accept a gig DJ-ing at an established venue, with an estabished music policy (oldies or otherwise) its your job to keep the paying punters happy, and make judgments on what will go down well, as you go along.

If you don't like (or are too embarrassed) playing oldies then why would you accept a gig at an oldies venue in the first place???

If the punters are looking forward to a night of dancing and reminiscing to oldies, then why disappoint them by playing underplayed/rare records or alternative versions that mean nothing to them? (after all if they wanted to hear rare or underplayed stuff they would go to a venue that catered for that particular taste in soul music). by the same token, If they wanted to hear modern soul they would go to a modern night. Simples!

People often ask me, 'What are you going to play this Friday (or Saturday) night then' ? etc...

My stock answer is - 'I don't know, and I won't know until I'm in the venue'

When I arrive at a venue that I'm DJ-ing at, I look at what sort of crowd is in the venue and the dance floor reaction to what is being played. (reading the dancefloor) it's not rocket science to weigh up whats going down well, and whats bombing out.

I know certain DJ's who sort their records out and create a set list at home, before they even venture out of the house!

Unless you have a crystal ball, you don't know (A) whats going to be played already out of your selected records by the previous DJ's before your spot has even started, and (B) How can you judge the reaction and atmosphere of an event before its even started.

I find there are two main types of active soulies on the scene.

Those that go out every Friday and Saturday night, (and grab as many Sunday sessions/weekenders as they can).

If you fall under this category you will obviously get tired of hearing the same 200 overplayed oldies that have become a predicted soundtrack to your nights out. These people are more 'accepting' (I don't like the word progressive used to describe soul music) and crave to hear something fresh and different, or at least something they haven't heard played out in the last 12 months or more.... (their main complaints, they are sick of listening to the same records week in week out - Play something different). They obviously hear the records more, because they go out more....

The other type of Soulie

Goes out once or twice a month, Loves to hear the familiar oldies they know so well.

These are the guys and girls that want to hear Oldies and Well-Knowns. The records they know so well bring memories flooding back from the best and happiest times of there lives, (times without mortgage's, bills to pay, the stress that comes with age and responsibility). They can dance to a record and know every word and every beat. They are only going out once a month or so, consequently when they do go out they expect to hear these same records, (as once a month is not overplayed to them). They are not interested if a well known DJ has just discovered a rare unknown track in Detroit last week! As this has no baring on what Northern Soul is to them, and holds no memories. They want to reminisce their times at the casino etc... (their main complaints... The music has been rubbish, we only knew about 3 records in the last hour - Play something we know - i.e. oldies).

Mixing the 2 categories above is the key, (especially at an 'Across The Board' soul night).

Going back to the main topic though, I'm still a firm believer that if you accept and agree to play a spot at an Oldies venue, then you should be playing Oldies, end of.. and don't over-think it. They are not expecting to hear different rare or alternative versions of tracks. so go with the flow and make 'em happy......

By the way, my fav oldie?

Chuck Wood - Seven Days Is Too Long (bought 35 years ago - still love it to this day - and not ashamed to say so) :yes:

All The Best

Jools :)

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Great Point Kev!

I thought I had it all covered. lol.

I DJ at soul nights most weekends, which sadly leaves me not doing as many nighters as I'd like to these days.

When I do go to Nighters though, I find the music very refreshing (for me anyway). I think after going out to soul nights every Fri/Sat for years on end, you get conditioned to 'soul night' music. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking club soul here by any stretch of the imagination, just well,, 'tame and safe' (as some may describe). So when I hit a nighter every now and then it usually blows be away musically. (and I nearly always come away with another record or two on my wants list)!!

Musically, Its sometimes as different as chalk and cheese.

Although if you play nighter sounds at soul nights they tend to 'bomb out' dance floor wise anyway, as the regular soul night goers are not used to nighter sounds, and the people who love the nighter sounds are usually at a nighter anyway (not a soul night).

I think you are quite right, yet again a completely different 'type of soulie'. dare I say a little more of a 'purist'..

I find the music policy at nighters sort of governs itself anyway, (I can't imagine any respected nighter DJ's coming on here asking what records they dare play, or what they could get away with (referring to opening topic here).

So many different aspects considered, all under the Northern Soul umbrella.....

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I thought I had it all covered. lol.

Not yet :no:

There are also some soul nights which only attract travellers and nighter goers who expect to hear nighter sounds and stuff they would only ever hear in the second room at nighters.

Not all soul nights are tame and safe.

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Not yet :no:

There are also some soul nights which only attract travellers and nighter goers who expect to hear nighter sounds and stuff they would only ever hear in the second room at nighters.

Not all soul nights are tame and safe.

Exactly Matt !!! A Fourth soul animal... :)

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Pete Smith has a great story about youth club records and doing a DJ spot at a local "Northern Soul" night :yes:

Hmmm...oh alright then.

This was in february this year.

Some people set up a new Northern Soul Night in Wombourne, and asked me to DJ the guest spot, I said I would, first time for ages, new night, classic oldies, should be good.

So at 9pm I went on and started with Silky Hargreaves - keep loving me like you do.

Not one person danced.

Frankie Crocker, Pookie Hudson, Willie Tee.

Nothing.

OK, the one that'll get everyone dancing, Cause You're Mine. Six people danced. F*cking hell, this is a tough crowd.

Then the requests started.

"Can you play Nine Times Out Of Ten" - no sorry, not got it.

"Can you play Ghost In My House" - sorry, not got it

"Can you play Brainstorm" - sorry not got it

"Have you got ANY decent records?"

"For f&cks sake"

So on we went, bit of barrel scraping, Come on Train, Too Late, You Just Don't Know, Coasters, Yum Yums, Bari Track - and so on. All these were massive records at our youth club, and although it was only a village we lived in, we filled half the Wigan coach most weeks, and a lot of these people were at this do.

The most people I had on the floor at any one time was probably a dozen. They just wanted Motown records and hangbag rubbish.

When I finished I exclaimed that "Wombourne wasn't quite ready for proper Northern Soul". The resident DJ came on after me, put on bloody Jackie Wilson - Because Of You and rammed the floor, he followed it with Ghost In My House, The Night, and the vocal of Soul In The Sun.

I was f*cking choked to be honest, I'd really been looking forward to this, but for me it was a disaster. Now, if the people running it had stuck to their guns and let it stay as a Northern Soul night and not a handbag/Motown night, I'd still be going and I'd have bought a lot of people with me, but they were so terrified of the takings behind the bar they just wanted people to dance and get drunk by the looks of it.

When the DJ played Martha & The Vandellas "Jimmy Mack", that was my cue to leave, and I haven't been back.

Apologies if anyone running the venue reads this, but thats how it happened exactly, and it could have been great.

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On Broadway was pretty big at a lot of venues around that time Geese, along with many other tunes from the "jazz funk explosion" :) it actually reminds me of the discos they had at Willenhall baths, midweek, finished about 9.30, almost like a youth club, and among the other more popular tunes they played were Salsaoul 3001 - Salsoul Orchestra, This will be a night to remember - Eddie Holman, Movin & Ha Cha Cha by Brass construction, Jam Jam Jam (all night long) - Peoples Choice etc..... oh the memories!!

How do you remember this sh*t, I was there with you and I can't remember any of that!

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What about the Third Type of "soulie"....the one that doesn't do soul nights that often or every weekender.The one's who do nothing but nighters....what's your take on these people?

are you saying that these are the only real soul fans kev?........the only one,s still doing it proper?......are you saying these people just won,t settle for handbag oblivion?..............kev what are you saying?......woa woa ......woa night owl

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Sadly there is another type of 'soulie' we've not mentioned yet...

The guys who don't go to any soul nights, don't go to any all-nighters, all-dayers., weekenders, etc...

They just sit in front of their computer screen, yet have an opinion on every venue and soul issue out there....

I was once at Prestatyn a few years back, and unfortunately there was a little bit of trouble, not much to mention and it was cleared up and sorted out within minutes. However there were people sat at home on their computers telling a completely different story and expanding and exaggerating on what had actually happened, as if they were there and witnessing the events first hand! Clearly not the case as the times of their posts proved. I even got a phone call telling me what had gone on from 150 miles away, just minutes after the incident. All blown up out of all proportion, (I know as the incident happened right in front of me). it would be laughable if not so sad.

I've known people who don't go to venues, even asking for set lists of what certain DJ's have played (in the look-backs).

If you want to know what's been (or currently being) played, get of your arses and visit and support the venues in question...

hard to label this soul animal 'spare bedroom soulie' might fit the bill?? :g:

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Sadly there is another type of 'soulie' we've not mentioned yet...

The guys who don't go to any soul nights, don't go to any all-nighters, all-dayers., weekenders, etc...

They just sit in front of their computer screen, yet have an opinion on every venue and soul issue out there....

I was once at Prestatyn a few years back, and unfortunately there was a little bit of trouble, not much to mention and it was cleared up and sorted out within minutes. However there were people sat at home on their computers telling a completely different story and expanding and exaggerating on what had actually happened, as if they were there and witnessing the events first hand! Clearly not the case as the times of their posts proved. I even got a phone call telling me what had gone on from 150 miles away, just minutes after the incident. All blown up out of all proportion, (I know as the incident happened right in front of me). it would be laughable if not so sad.

I've known people who don't go to venues, even asking for set lists of what certain DJ's have played (in the look-backs).

If you want to know what's been (or currently being) played, get of your arses and visit and support the venues in question...

hard to label this soul animal 'spare bedroom soulie' might fit the bill?? :g:

Hmmmm yeah, I'll play, cos I fall into this category these days, haven't been out for exactly a year, you do realise this is a forum, basically to discuss opinion, hence people posting on it, but you think, unless I'm reading you wrong, that I shouldn't comment on the various topics (yes Terry I know you think that :) ) Sort of feels like you're trying to deflect comments about yourself, or maybe garner favour with certain people? At the moment I choose not to go out, that may change, is there any venue in particular I have to go to, to reactivate my posting rights on soul source?

Winnie :)

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Two records that would still get me up for a shuffle .Donnie Elbert Little piece of leather .

Sorrry but,

someone else played it on sat, for gods sake this man cant sing!!!! his voice is so irritiating I said to Jez, if someone found another version of 'do i I love you' on acetate, I'd buy it to snap, so no one else could ever play it. The only soul singer that you could compare Ce lo Green to, yes that bad imho.

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I'm always suprised by how much and how well certain modern tunes go down @ oldies soul nights. Especially considering how hard it is to break new or current 6ts spins. Handbaggers seem eager to dance to the likes of Micheal Proctor, Kenny Thomas, and DJ Gemini when the likes of the Parisians clear the floor.

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unless I'm reading you wrong

Hmmmm yeah, I'll play, cos I fall into this category these days, haven't been out for exactly a year, you do realise this is a forum, basically to discuss opinion, hence people posting on it, but you think, unless I'm reading you wrong, that I shouldn't comment on the various topics (yes Terry I know you think that :) ) Sort of feels like you're trying to deflect comments about yourself, or maybe garner favour with certain people? At the moment I choose not to go out, that may change, is there any venue in particular I have to go to, to reactivate my posting rights on soul source?

Winnie :)

"unless I'm reading you wrong" Yes you are!

I'm not trying to say you (or anyone for that matter) doesn't have a right to post comments, as you rightly point out its an open forum about soul music, so of course you have the right. :)

I was merely pointing out that people should not post in the events look-backs with opinions of events that they had clearly not been to.

i.e. If you went to an event and loved or hated it by all means comment, you went, paid your money and spent your time there, so you have earned the right to comment and voice your opinions - good, bad, or indifferent.

However if you were not even at the event, how can you comment on happenings, music played, atmosphere, and so on....

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Asking for playlists can either make you want to visit said venue,,or not.

The incident at Prestatyn? Was that the Phillip Mitchell debacle???....i heard it was a free for all......(sorry Gilly.)

Now,what was the question?

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I'm not trying to say you (or anyone for that matter) doesn't have a right to post comments, as you rightly point out its an open forum about soul music, so of course you have the right. :)

I was merely pointing out that people should not post in the events look-backs with opinions of events that they had clearly not been to.

i.e. If you went to an event and loved or hated it by all means comment, you went, paid your money and spent your time there, so you have earned the right to comment and voice your opinions - good, bad, or indifferent.

However if you were not even at the event, how can you comment on happenings, music played, atmosphere, and so on....

I wouldn't disagree with that, but you did put 'soul issues', in your previous post which to me implied all things soulful? anyway never mind, all cleared up :thumbsup:

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Two records that would still get me up for a shuffle .Donnie Elbert Little piece of leather .

Sorrry but,

someone else played it on sat, for gods sake this man cant sing!!!! his voice is so irritiating I said to Jez, if someone found another version of 'do i I love you' on acetate, I'd buy it to snap, so no one else could ever play it. The only soul singer that you could compare Ce lo Green to, yes that bad imho.

Have to admit I do prefer the Gene Latter version --- but Donnie has his place at soul/motowny type nights-----Elbert thatis not Osmond------having said that....hehehe

just leave ya with this from Mr Elbert.....

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Hi Geese your right Donnie not got the best of voices but it was a record of its time and would still get my feet tapping.Another one for me is Gary Lewis My Heart;s hope the soul police aren;t reading this ..

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I'm always suprised by how much and how well certain modern tunes go down @ oldies soul nights. Especially considering how hard it is to break new or current 6ts spins. Handbaggers seem eager to dance to the likes of Micheal Proctor, Kenny Thomas, and DJ Gemini when the likes of the Parisians clear the floor.

Cuz there old, its easy to dance to something thats got a beat every ten mins and the only time you sweat is when they venture to the loo for a number 2
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Hi Geese your right Donnie not got the best of voices but it was a record of its time and would still get my feet tapping.Another one for me is Gary Lewis My Heart;s hope the soul police aren;t reading this ..

so sorry mate, I know its a 'had to be there' record, its just that voice!

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Hi Geese your right Donnie not got the best of voices but it was a record of its time and would still get my feet tapping.Another one for me is Gary Lewis My Heart;s hope the soul police aren;t reading this ..

"Your'e nicked sonny"... :lol:

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Asking for playlists can either make you want to visit said venue,,or not.

The incident at Prestatyn? Was that the Phillip Mitchell debacle???....i heard it was a free for all......(sorry Gilly.)

Now,what was the question?

usually NOT .......people who post playlists are generally letting you know what great tunes they have and wether they have a demo or an issue or even a request copy

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Hi Geese your right Donnie not got the best of voices but it was a record of its time and would still get my feet tapping.Another one for me is Gary Lewis My Heart;s hope the soul police aren;t reading this ..

One of the worst records ever to be played on the scene IMHO.

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usually NOT .......people who post playlists are generally letting you know what great tunes they have and wether they have a demo or an issue or even a request copy

Hi Terry (whether) YOU OK :D

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Personally I like " oldies " that are very underplayed nowadays , two of my favourites below :

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KOKO TAYLOR .. Wang Dang Doodle.. have it on vinyl myself.. NEVER hear it now .. well maybe very occasionally it is STILL played at the Wheel . and always was !!!

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Two records that would still get me up for a shuffle .Donnie Elbert Little piece of leather .

Sorrry but,

someone else played it on sat, for gods sake this man cant sing!!!! his voice is so irritiating I said to Jez, if someone found another version of 'do i I love you' on acetate, I'd buy it to snap, so no one else could ever play it. The only soul singer that you could compare Ce lo Green to, yes that bad imho.

But he can sing,listen to his 7t's polydor lp ..........love his version of "i wanna' be where you are",but his squeaky stuff ?

https://youtu.be/gZL74WBgICg

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Stoned Love ......

The long intro slightly different mix on the Spanish issue of this led to it's revival I believe ...and what a floor filler I love it...

First heard Pete Lyster play it at Gloucester a couple of years ago telling the crowd too stick with it till it came to the first sung line and the place went nuts....

And this was in the middle of a rare and underplayed set....

Ward Burton and Stoned Love on the same play list this is the way forward.... imho :yes:

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Stoned Love ......

The long intro slightly different mix on the Spanish issue of this led to it's revival I believe ...and what a floor filler I love it...

First heard Pete Lyster play it at Gloucester a couple of years ago telling the crowd too stick with it till it came to the first sung line and the place went nuts....

And this was in the middle of a rare and underplayed set....

Ward Burton and Stoned Love on the same play list this is the way forward.... imho :yes:

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Cuz there old, its easy to dance to something thats got a beat every ten mins and the only time you sweat is when they venture to the loo for a number 2

Tim, how can you say Micheal Protor as only got a beat every 10 mins, it is a banging house record (do you know it?).

It depends on which track by Kenny Thomas you are on about? "Crazy World" yeah two-step. "Keep The Fires Burning" is anything but two-step!!!

Loads more by Kenny to pick from as well.

D. J. Gemini is not one of my faves to say the least.

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