Thought it would be easier to just ask on here, know there's a few issues of this, i think this is 2nd issue, can anyone advise? any value too please? thanks in advance

as it got an address round the bottom?

no, no addess, if you click on the pic it should expand to show full label, thanks russ

No address ? Then that's the bootleg issue !

No address ? Then that's the bootleg issue !

I know it's been discussed before. But I seriously doubt that the no-address-press is a bootleg. It looks just too good for a pressing (e.g. sharp print definition, two colour print on label). Does anyone know did the bootleg and when?

I know it's been discussed before. But I seriously doubt that the no-address-press is a bootleg. It looks just too good for a pressing (e.g. sharp print definition, two colour print on label). Does anyone know did the bootleg and when?

It is an boot from the early 70's Benji, although i agree it looks fabulous!

Same with the Mamie Galore's, they all look great too!

btw I have a Johnny Sayles boot without the address ready for the bay this week!

Cheers

Steve

Edited February 6, 201213 yr by Steve Plumb

I know it's been discussed before. But I seriously doubt that the no-address-press is a bootleg. It looks just too good for a pressing (e.g. sharp print definition, two colour print on label). Does anyone know did the bootleg and when?

Hi All must say I agree with you, as the Butch Baker that was booted about the same time is completely different to the Johnny Sayles as the only differences are very small in comparison, in fact if I remember correctly the Johnny Sayles issue & Demo come from a different pressing plant altogether, as I have never seen a White Demo of it, only the same label and the same color, unlike Mamie Galore demos which are blue & white with skyline or white with St Lawrence on, as there are so many variations, I could only state that I am 100% that the Butch Baker that has off centre vocal is wrong for sure?

I for one, would like to find out more about this record? it may have been done by the same person who did "my loves a monster on CHI-TOWN but that's just me guessing DAVE

thanks for all the info, my best bet ius ebay then i guess? thanks all

It is an boot from the early 70's Benji, although i agree it looks fabulous!

Same with the Mamie Galore's, they all look great too!

Cheers

Steve

Hi Steve

What about this copy of Mamie Galore I have for sale can you tell me if it's a boot or an original as I am now not sure, but it does have the address at the top of the record !

Regards - Ray

COPY OF JOHNNY SAYLES JUST GONE THROUGH THE BAY FOR AROUND £27

It is an boot from the early 70's Benji, although i agree it looks fabulous!

Same with the Mamie Galore's, they all look great too!

btw I have a Johnny Sayles boot without the address ready for the bay this week!

Cheers

Steve

Mamie Galore was never booted Steve.

Mamie Galore was never booted Steve.

That answers my question then Pete - Cheers !

Thought it would be easier to just ask on here, know there's a few issues of this, i think this is 2nd issue, can anyone advise? any value too please? thanks in advance

I reckon this was Re-pressed for the Nothern scene and the one

in the first picture is one of those.

I remember people used to say that if St Lawrence records didnt

have the pink link across the middle they were re-presses.

Although the original in JM's book has no pink line either

and he states "distributed by chess" around the bottom is

the way to tell an original from the repress which

does not have this.

Kegsy

Edited February 7, 201213 yr by Kegsy

I reckon this was Re-pressed for the Nothern scene and the one

in the first picture is one of those.

I remember people used to say that if St Lawrence records didnt

have the pink link across the middle they were re-presses.

Although the original in JM's book has no pink line either

and he states "distributed by chess" around the bottom is

the way to tell an original from the repress which

does not have this.

Kegsy

Hi Kegsy

This was my view on it too!

I've always looked but have never been able to find a copy with the 'dist by chess' or 'address' round the bottom, so presumed all the others were pressed for the northern scene back in the day and that the true original was in fact very hard to find?

Is this not correct?

Anyone got a scan of one with the 'dist' or 'address' round the bottom?

Cheers

Steve

Hi Kegsy

This was my view on it too!

I've always looked but have never been able to find a copy with the 'dist by chess' or 'address' round the bottom, so presumed all the others were pressed for the northern scene back in the day and that the true original was in fact very hard to find?

Is this not correct?

Anyone got a scan of one with the 'dist' or 'address' round the bottom?

Cheers

Steve

Here is a promo and an issue of the original release with "distribution/address" at the bottom:

the second time I ever got burned on a bootleg was the vinyl press of timothy wilson on sky disc. it looks BETTER than the original. Probably plays better than the styrene original too. Still not worth the $150 I had to pay though.

Here is a promo and an issue of the original release with "distribution/address" at the bottom:

Hi Seb

Sorry for the confusion, we were talking about Mamie Galore?

Have you got a scan of Mamie Galore with the 'Dist by Chess' round the bottom?

Cheers

Steve

I read it as we were talking about Johnny Sayles still??

In any case, I don't remember seeing a Mamie Galore with the address around the rim of the label, only in a straight line under the name.

If it did exist it would probably be in black print (like on the Monk Higgins) rather than the darker pink print of the Johnny Sayles, Vontastics etc.

Hi All I have just had a good look at some of my CHICARGO records including the CHESS group of labels, and although I don't pretend to be an expert at all, the only difference I can tell is the Johnny Sayles record with the words distributed by ..... 7 the DJ copies are manufactured by CHESS, and the one without are still CHESS printed labels, so you could argue that the DEMO & the distributed words on the label are 2nd pressings otherwise it would read MFG, BY CHESS PRODUCING CORP.

If you see my point, also the wax is similar to smaller CHICARGO LABELS??? DAVE

 

I know it's been discussed before. But I seriously doubt that the no-address-press is a bootleg. It looks just too good for a pressing (e.g. sharp print definition, two colour print on label). Does anyone know did the bootleg and when?

There were a whole gaggle of very original looking bootlegs in the 1970s, Selecta Disc used to sell them. Johnny Sayles, Younghearts, Hesitations, Barbara Mills, Duke Browner plus whole lot more. Tough te tell from originals but there was always some giveaway like the St Lawrence without the address, Younghearts with wrong matrix number, Barbara Mills wrong size of font. Monarch did a load (styrene) plus another pressing plant did the vinyl ones. They're on kind of on a renaissance now as it's difficult to visually see difference between them and the originals and new pop-DJs buy them with abandonment. 

The one I got from the states has no address on the bottom, and I got it from someone selling a collection of original Rock n Roll, and they had listed the 'B' side of Johnny Sayles.
I have heard that just because there is no address on the bottom doesn't mean it's not an original, maybe from another pressing plant.

Have many copies of the styrene west coast press turned up over the past few years only ever seen 1 copy?

 

Ian

The one I got from the states has no address on the bottom, and I got it from someone selling a collection of original Rock n Roll, and they had listed the 'B' side of Johnny Sayles.
I have heard that just because there is no address on the bottom doesn't mean it's not an original, maybe from another pressing plant.

I agree - people always seem to dismiss this possibility - despite that the fact there are many many examples of different pressings, different mixes , different label designs , different b sides of otherwise 'identical' releases.

Have many copies of the styrene west coast press turned up over the past few years only ever seen 1 copy?

 

Ian

Hi

is this the copy you mean? jsayles.pdf  sorry don't know how to open and put up on here!

jsayles.pdf

Cheers

Julian

Edited October 28, 20159 yr by JulianB

Hi

is this the copy you mean? jsayles.pdf  sorry don't know how to open and put up on here!

jsayles.pdf

Cheers

Julian

That's the one Julian only seen one copy many years ago, am i right that you were the first to find Johnny Sayles?

Ian

Hi Ian

the copy in the scan is my current copy. I believe Ginger Taylor has one as well but I cannot confirm this.

Picked up 6 copies 'blind' back in the day and took it the Mecca that night. Gave it to Jebby to play and amazingly Levine appeared within seconds saying 'what is this, I must have it' 

The rest is history as they say.

Julian

I thought it was played before the Mecca? I'm sure I danced to it at the Torch? Might be wrong tho'

Edited October 28, 20159 yr by Northern Soul UK

I thought it was played before the Mecca? I'm sure I danced to it at the Torch? Might be wrong tho'

They were playing Northern Soul before the Torch opened, we went in Jan 1972 to Mecca they played it then.

The one I got from the states has no address on the bottom, and I got it from someone selling a collection of original Rock n Roll, and they had listed the 'B' side of Johnny Sayles.
I have heard that just because there is no address on the bottom doesn't mean it's not an original, maybe from another pressing plant.

Likewise, I have a gut feeling that this is not a pressing made for the NS scene. It could be a second release made by them, for them in them days. The distribution/address release might have been a deal that felt through quickly. And so, backed by popular demand re-pressed without the Chess distributed address (who were maybe not promoting it as it should/could be).

This disc as such (with and/or without address) is not that rare and was a "local" hit for sure and so we could imagine different rounds of release in a short period while the air-play was still going strong.

The Pressing plant for this Johnny Sayles is the same though bothe with and without the address. The "purple" one is a West Coast release on the other hand. 

Check this one for instance (under the black mark you can read distributed by Bell, Amy, Mala group !!!)

 ...then...   

Both are originals but from different pressing plant. And here, the distribution deal felt through after the record was pressed but just before the distribution !

Nice looking label, there's even a telephone number you can call 

On 08/02/2012 07:51:48, boba said:

the second time I ever got burned on a bootleg was the vinyl press of timothy wilson on sky disc. it looks BETTER than the original. Probably plays better than the styrene original too. Still not worth the $150 I had to pay though.

I wouldn't bank on it given someone has paid £130 for this boot.....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181912943907?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Edited November 5, 20159 yr by Mick Sway
Forgot link

8 minutes ago, Mick Sway said:

I wouldn't bank on it given someone has paid £130 for this boot.....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181912943907?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

There is a thread on this somewhere. By all accounts seller knew it was a boot.

Edited November 5, 20159 yr by Chris L