I see there is a Duke Browner, cryin' over you on ebay with a ' stamped matrix '. What does that actually look like ? Was this booted and how can you tell ?? Any help from the experts appreciated. Thanks, Tony. OZ.

Edited May 6, 201213 yr by suinoz

matrix is machine stamped ZTSC

the boot is red, on vinyl with a scratched in ztsc matrix, i think there is a gold label impact boot also.. shit sound quality on these also

I had a boot many yearsago,the sound quality was rubbish,very low fidelity,

Think the sound on the 'gold' Impact boot is fine.

1. The gold label boot is styrene, stick on label. Good sound too I'm pretty sure (unless I have an original?).
   

Original also on ZTSC stamped white demo of course ;-)

There's a very dark red bootleg on vinyl also.

Cheers

Richard

All the gold boots I ever heard sounded fine.

Here's the DARK RED BOOT, Scratched Matrix, Vinyl and Just Looks Wrong.

machine stamped ZTSC

the gold one i used to have must just have been worn and distorted..it was a long time ago when i started out as a child

Here's the DARK RED BOOT, Scratched Matrix, Vinyl and Just Looks Wrong.

The dark red Duke Browner boots were done by Global Records in Manchester when I worked there in the mid 70s. The middle aged owner of Global ,Ed Balbier, had some crazy ideas about what to bootleg but this was one of his better choices. We had quite a few original copies of the record which sold well at around £4 to £5. I think Richard Searling found these in the US when he worked at Global before me.

Balbier noticed that there was a demand for the record but never asked me if I thought it would sell in bulk . I suppose he thought it best to keep his illegal schemes quiet.

He took one of the original copies back to Philly and got it pressed up by House of Sounds , the "go-to" place for any dodgy deals. There was probably 1000 copies made but loads were unsalable as they were badly warped. Those that weren't warped sounded terrible. If you look closely at the record in a strong light they often have what looks like loads of tiny scratches. This seemed to be on other House of Sounds boots so I think it could be due to poor quality vinyl, maybe it is the recycled vinyl.

I don't know why they couldn't make a better bootleg but that's what you get from a couple of cheapskates.

Of course any one who is tempted to buy one should avoid it at all cost.

Rick

Hi Rick what where the other boots Ed had knocked up

Hi Rick what where the other boots Ed had knocked up

Hi Ian

Lovettes "Little Miss Soul"

Ed Crook "That's Alright"

Marsh Brody "Right Combination"

? "My Mechanical Man"

and maybe some others that are even less memorable, if that's posible.

Rick

Hi Ian

Lovettes "Little Miss Soul"

Ed Crook "That's Alright"

Marsh Brody "Right Combination"

? "My Mechanical Man"

and maybe some others that are even less memorable, if that's posible.

Rick

Leah Dawson - "My Mechanical Man" ??

Also Rick were the Copies of Mikki Farrow from Global real ones, I allways thought they were.!

Ritchie.

Edited November 15, 201212 yr by RitchieAndrew

Leah Dawson - "My Mechanical Man" ??

Also Rick were the Copies of Mikki Farrow from Global real ones, I allways thought they were.!

Ritchie.

Ritchie

Yes , the copies of Mikki Farrow were genuine. About 25 copies in a container load that also had Eddie Spencer, Tobi Lark, Jimmy Soul Clarke and stuff on Miracle. Had Global booted it they would have been nasty, thin and warped, credited to Mikki Barrow .

Rick

This is the Monarch pressed boot aka re-issue. Tough to tell from original, matrix number and run out are tell tale signs.

And this is the Gold Boot, like the one that sold for £76 on Ebay the other night!

and it sounds great!

Edited November 16, 201212 yr by Steve Luigi

Just sold the red ' boot ' for around £40 ish which IMHO is a phenomenal price for a 70 's re - issue - demands seems to be sky rocketing on these in 2013.

The dark red Duke Browner boots were done by Global Records in Manchester when I worked there in the mid 70s. The middle aged owner of Global ,Ed Balbier, had some crazy ideas about what to bootleg but this was one of his better choices. We had quite a few original copies of the record which sold well at around £4 to £5. I think Richard Searling found these in the US when he worked at Global before me.

Balbier noticed that there was a demand for the record but never asked me if I thought it would sell in bulk . I suppose he thought it best to keep his illegal schemes quiet.

He took one of the original copies back to Philly and got it pressed up by House of Sounds , the "go-to" place for any dodgy deals. There was probably 1000 copies made but loads were unsalable as they were badly warped. Those that weren't warped sounded terrible. If you look closely at the record in a strong light they often have what looks like loads of tiny scratches. This seemed to be on other House of Sounds boots so I think it could be due to poor quality vinyl, maybe it is the recycled vinyl.

I don't know why they couldn't make a better bootleg but that's what you get from a couple of cheapskates.

Of course any one who is tempted to buy one should avoid it at all cost.

Rick

I bought one of the original Duke Browners from Global after Richard found 200 of them in the USA. The price then was 60p. I still have the record and the yellow global price list stating 60p.

 

Louis

The red boot has just sold on eBay for £132.....amazing!!

This is the Monarch pressed boot aka re-issue. Tough to tell from original, matrix number and run out are tell tale signs.

Boot 2.jpg

 

Hi Chris, Is this the styrene copy with the scratched in matrix that I think starts with a 2? really good quality press. Atb John.

I bought one of the original Duke Browners from Global after Richard found 200 of them in the USA. The price then was 60p. I still have the record and the yellow global price list stating 60p.

 

Louis

Louis

Well done on getting a great bargain. I should think the price soon went up as Ed Balbier noticed the record was flying out. When I was there I think there were about 25 -30 originals left. Any chance of posting a scan of the list up.

Rick

Louis

Well done on getting a great bargain. I should think the price soon went up as Ed Balbier noticed the record was flying out. When I was there I think there were about 25 -30 originals left. Any chance of posting a scan of the list up.

Rick

Rick

 

Scanner not working but took camera shots, states 1 september 1974 list..............

 

 

Here's the DARK RED BOOT, Scratched Matrix, Vinyl and Just Looks Wrong.

 

 

i had one many years ago..early 70's ..very poor sound quality, heavy vinyl with a rough outer edge..

 

 

Hi Chris, Is this the styrene copy with the scratched in matrix that I think starts with a 2? really good quality press. Atb John.

This a Monarch pressed record with 107892 vocal side, 107492 on instrumental side. Is in styrene with a stuck on label very tough to tell from an original in a dark room ! You don't see a lot of these for sale, probably rarer than original !! 

 

 

Monarch pressed circa 70s

An original

Edited August 17, 201510 yr by Chris L

Theyre still booting this I think they ought to be smashed into tenthousand fragments the boots I mean

Theyre still booting this I think they ought to be smashed into tenthousand fragments the boots I mean

Any idea who's actually doing it ?

 

I bought one of the original Duke Browners from Global after Richard found 200 of them in the USA. The price then was 60p. I still have the record and the yellow global price list stating 60p.

 

Louis

Yes l got one for 60p at the time, the funny thing was Selectadisc were still selling the pressing for 85p at the time.

The amount of time l have talked about over the years and l know some people didn't believe it.

Yes l got one for 60p at the time, the funny thing was Selectadisc were still selling the pressing for 85p at the time.

The amount of time l have talked about over the years and l know some people didn't believe it.

When were they for sale at 60p each, the 70s or 80s ? It went for £50.00 at the Torch in 1972/73.

The Global List that Dave (Louise) posted earlier shows it at 60p, with the list dated September 1974! If I read the posts above correctly they were original copies too..

When were they for sale at 60p each, the 70s or 80s ? It went for £50.00 at the Torch in 1972/73.

1974.

The Global List that Dave (Louise) posted earlier shows it at 60p, with the list dated September 1974! If I read the posts above correctly they were original copies too..

The Global list with Duke Browner was the wholesale list for shops but with the price codes and info changed for mail order or callers to the warehouse so the copies are the bootleg.

The originals were listed on the collectors list . This was a single page of titles that were in small quantities or valuable. The original Duke Browner would have been up to around £3.00 but definitely more than 60p. Dave K emailed me some Global lists years ago but I can't get them to load anymore.

Global's owner Ed Balbier used to refer to the collectors list as the "kids list" , which was not very nice.

Rick

I'm not 100% sure but I think it was Nigel Martin who brought it to the Torch in 1972 and sold it to (maybe) KM for £50.00.

The Global list with Duke Browner was the wholesale list for shops but with the price codes and info changed for mail order or callers to the warehouse so the copies are the bootleg.

The originals were listed on the collectors list . This was a single page of titles that were in small quantities or valuable. The original Duke Browner would have been up to around £3.00 but definitely more than 60p. Dave K emailed me some Global lists years ago but I can't get them to load anymore.

Global's owner Ed Balbier used to refer to the collectors list as the "kids list" , which was not very nice.

Rick

Rick, l deffo got a proper one for 60p, also James & Bobby Purify "Help Yourself" 60p (Wigan were playing Jimmy James version at the time)and £5 each Shane Martin "l Need You" , Natural Four "I Thought You Where Mine" 

They were not mail order, l went to Canada House to buy them.

Rick, l deffo got a proper one for 60p, also James & Bobby Purify "Help Yourself" 60p (Wigan were playing Jimmy James version at the time)and £5 each Shane Martin "l Need You" , Natural Four "I Thought You Where Mine" 

They were not mail order, l went to Canada House to buy them.

Dave

Well done, somebody screwed up as the originals were kept well away from the boots. 

Rick

PS Shane Martin was on the pop list for 22p until Pep tried to order 12 copies.

Had a mint original given to me over 35 years ago. Bloody awful record.

Sean

Any idea who's actually doing it ?

i picked up one early on before I knew owt from a dealer I'm the east mids.