SHEFFSOUL Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 ..ALWAYS WONDERED HOW THIS CAME TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST INST OF THE EARLY NORTHERN SCENE..AS IT WAS AN LP ONLY TRACK (AT THE TIME) WHO FIRST CAME UPON IT..WHERE WAS IT PLAYED FIRST..I THINK I FIRST HEARD IT AT THE LEEDS QUEENS HALL IN '74..MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE EARLIER..
Peter99 Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 Found this on tinternet. First played by Ian Levine at the Mecca as a US album track, it was almost tailor-made for the then newly opened Wigan Casino allnighter and rapidly became the No.1 instrumental in the country. (Naturally it was bootlegged not long afterwards!) UK Warner Bros. eventually released it c/w "Bubblegum Breakthrough", a previous Mike Post 45 that had been moderately popular in various Northern Soul clubs in 1973. Always thought it a horrible thing which has nothing to do with soul music.
SHEFFSOUL Posted October 27, 2012 Author Posted October 27, 2012 thanks for the info...always loved it myself..prob correct in that it has little true soul..but bags of Northern...
Peter99 Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 thanks for the info...always loved it myself..prob correct in that it has little true soul..but bags of Northern... No problem mate. We all have different tastes.
Dave Pinch Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 you gotta remember that soul and northern soul are far removed from each other as listenin to iron maiden and clog dancing
Barry Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 you gotta remember that soul and northern soul are far removed from each other as listenin to iron maiden and clog dancing Yeah...cos we are all musically odd buggers.
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Yeah...cos we are all musically odd buggers. you're just odd
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 I could....but I won't This time next week we can both be odd together
Barry Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 This time next week we can both be odd together I guarantee you that. When you up?
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 I guarantee you that. When you up? Friday late afternoon early evening depends on the traffic.
Barry Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 Friday late afternoon early evening depends on the traffic. I'll be pickled by then - get in at 8.50am Friday
Agentsmith Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 i remember the first time i actually heard it out...a wednesday evening at the catacombs in 74, blue max had just aqquired a copy of the lp......he played it 6 TIMES!!, and every time it packed the floor! a full on, kitchen sink record, that has, as has been said here, actually got nothing to do with soul music or northern soul for that matter, but fitted the 100 mph brigades bill for thrashing the dancefloor.
Guest MrC Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 you gotta remember that soul and northern soul are far removed from each other as listenin to iron maiden and clog dancing listenin to clog dancing? now that's just weird.
Koolkat Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 Youve got to realise we were all young then and when you were fuelled up this was one of the sounds that got you running to the dance floor. Well it did me anyway. As you get older you realise it as not got much soul content. But phew what a tune at 3am in the morning.
SHEFFSOUL Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 soul..schmoul..its records like this that made the northern scene..if it was on some daft rare label..it'd be ££££££££.....i STILL think its a great tune..knocks spots off some of this rare midtempo mediocre stuff..
Rotherham Soul Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 soul..schmoul..its records like this that made the northern scene..if it was on some daft rare label..it'd be ££££££££.....i STILL think its a great tune..knocks spots off some of this rare midtempo mediocre stuff..
Northern Soul Uk Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 I have a radio station copy of the LP, Always been one of my fave dancers. But what has always deluded me is what was Mike Post thinking of when he made it? There was no such term as Northern Soul then, so it wasn't recorded as that. It wasn't recorded as a theme tune for anything? It isn't Soul, or even Pop really, so what was it meant to be? I always buzz of the thought of a full orchestra going into a studio and recording it, can you imagine? I would have loved to have been there.
Petedillon Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 not if it meant listening to it again Steve!
Ian Dewhirst Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 I have a radio station copy of the LP, Always been one of my fave dancers. But what has always deluded me is what was Mike Post thinking of when he made it? There was no such term as Northern Soul then, so it wasn't recorded as that. It wasn't recorded as a theme tune for anything? It isn't Soul, or even Pop really, so what was it meant to be? I always buzz of the thought of a full orchestra going into a studio and recording it, can you imagine? I would have loved to have been there. It's a phenomenal Northern Soul record in the way we understood the term in the early 1970's. I actually remember hearing this first at a Stafford all-dayer in the early 70's - either Pep or Sam playing it I seem to remember. Back then, we embraced full-bodied instrumental productions like this and "Afternoon Of The Rhino" was the best of the lot in my opinion. There was a point where every DJ at the Casino would end their spot with it because it was simply the biggest record on the scene and difficult to follow unless you gave 'em a mid-tempo breather afterwards....... I still can't believe how good this is. It's Mike Post who produced Mason William's "Classical Gas" in 1968 which is a similarly brilliant instrumental record that also managed to hit No.1 in the U.S., so I guess Mike got the opportunity to produce more stuff using a full orchestra. Lucky for us.........they couldn't give it away in the U.S. at the time. Virtually every copy I've ever seen has been a U.S. cut out....... Ian D
45cellar Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Hit the Spot at very first listen. Had to buy it A.S.A.P. At the time, the only way I could get it was on Soul Beat which I played at home Over & Over. Tracked the LP down eventually. Never tire of listening to it to be honest. My U.S.A. copy is a cut out too Ian.
bri pinch Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 soul..schmoul..its records like this that made the northern scene..if it was on some daft rare label..it'd be ££££££££.....i STILL think its a great tune..knocks spots off some of this rare midtempo mediocre stuff.. hey, don't knock it bro, even the rare mid tempo mediocre stuff, sounds good when you're geared up
Alan Bonthrone1 Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 What do you think was meant by the title
Northern Soul Uk Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) What do you think was meant by the title Dunno, I've always wondered that. All I could come up with was maybe as the tune is so fast and furious, Mike Post thought it resembled a herd of Rhinos on the rampage? Dunno! This is my copy of the album, Still love the look of it! Edited November 4, 2012 by Steve Luigi
dthedrug Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 HI ALL Every body loves inst back in the early 70's, Mike Post did a few good TV THEMES, IAN remembers right about hearing it at STAFFORD, AS ?I CAN BARE WHITNES, The 2 years 72 to 74 saw many obscurer records lifted from LP's, The "tears of a clown" & "Band of gold" inst, we talked about, also SIMONS inst efforts, remember at the time, "there's a ghost in my house" "tell me it's just a rumor baby" & "baby hit & run" sounded perfect back then and still do as does "under my thumb" Wayne Gibson, a magic period lovin it now DAVE
SHEFFSOUL Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 hey, don't knock it bro, even the rare mid tempo mediocre stuff, sounds good when you're geared up well..not really knockin 'em..just said knocks spots off..which it does..i just get a bit fed up of some people who.. well..slag off,dumb down..records that were monsters at the time..just coz they have that white or pop attachment..i mean SS's original version of FOOTSEE first played at the casino was massive..and still sounds great to my ears..(IF ANYONE HAS A COPY THEY WANNA SELL ME?)..EMI disc/acetate/carvers all considered..so, thats my take..dont diss it just coz its an oldie from an era that was just incredible..
Guest Jim G Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I think t got played because "Bubble Gum Breakthrough"was big way before Rhino and it was on a 45. So maybe when the album was found, all tracks were tried out and hey presto a new instrumental stomper was played to the scene. I still love both of the tracks and can remember knackering myself many a time dancing to Rhino!
Chas Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Does anyone remember the horrendous dodgy vocal,The Charades"dreaming up a world of fantasy",a Soussan product methinks?.dont know about dreaming,I still have nightmares about that one! 1
MIK P Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 well..not really knockin 'em..just said knocks spots off..which it does..i just get a bit fed up of some people who.. well..slag off,dumb down..records that were monsters at the time..just coz they have that white or pop attachment..i mean SS's original version of FOOTSEE first played at the casino was massive..and still sounds great to my ears..(IF ANYONE HAS A COPY THEY WANNA SELL ME?)..EMI disc/acetate/carvers all considered..so, thats my take..dont diss it just coz its an oldie from an era that was just incredible.. i have a british wb copy for sale afternoon at rhino/ buggle gum breakthough in sales yesterday
SHEFFSOUL Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 i have a british wb copy for sale afternoon at rhino/ buggle gum breakthough in sales yesterday i have a british wb copy for sale afternoon at rhino/ buggle gum breakthough in sales yesterday its FOOTSEE..i'm after..
SHEFFSOUL Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 I think t got played because "Bubble Gum Breakthrough"was big way before Rhino and it was on a 45. So maybe when the album was found, all tracks were tried out and hey presto a new instrumental stomper was played to the scene. I still love both of the tracks and can remember knackering myself many a time dancing to Rhino! ah..i didn't know that..thought both tracks were played at the same time..ish..now the LP track makes sense..
Local Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Very surprised that LEEDS RLFC (LEEDS RHINOS) have never adopted this as the club anthem. Awfull record for an awfull rugby team !!!!
Steve Foran Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Managed to snag an AussieWB 7" of Rhino.Maybe not one for the purist. But bloody hell it was of its time. Took the roof off.
Guest selmackie Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 but the world famous leeds rhinos are are once again the grand final winners .....
Local Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 Sorry, I forgot Leeds are the best team in super league as...................................................................... 16 wins ( or to put it correctly 11 losses) in 27 league games in 2012 proves. Then again I think that WILLIE MITCHELL's - "THE CHAMPION" is the NUMBER ONE northern instro ever, and "Afternoon on't Whino" would always be the FIFTH, now there's another (cryptic) thread...............................lets have a heated debate !!! but the world famous leeds rhinos are are once again the grand final winners .....
Guest Dave Turner Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 It's a phenomenal Northern Soul record in the way we understood the term in the early 1970's. I actually remember hearing this first at a Stafford all-dayer in the early 70's - either Pep or Sam playing it I seem to remember. Back then, we embraced full-bodied instrumental productions like this and "Afternoon Of The Rhino" was the best of the lot in my opinion. There was a point where every DJ at the Casino would end their spot with it because it was simply the biggest record on the scene and difficult to follow unless you gave 'em a mid-tempo breather afterwards....... Ian D Got to agree, as a "Northern" record at the time it was phenominal. Like many others I saw some fantastic sights looking over the balcony at the Casino whilst certain records were at their height. Records that were full on hands in the air clappers such as Bob Relf, Jades (Where It's At) etc etc but burnt into my mind is the memory of one occasion when Rhino came on to a full floor and I was just awe struck. A full floor of raised hands clapping at the build up to the crescendo about 1.30 minutes is still the most jaw dropping sight I ever saw. If I could just have one piece of the Casino on film that would have been it. There's listening to it on a record player or whatever and then theres's experiencing it as part of a youth culture at 4am surrounded by the heat, sweat, smell of a packed Casino. Not a phrase I like saying but for me in this instance "Ya had to be there".
maslar Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) What do you think was meant by the title I'm pretty sure there was a film (from that era) called Afternoon Of The Rhino. Not very well known - either B-movie or a made for TV. Edited November 4, 2012 by maslar
Ernie Andrews Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 Well last night on Radio lancs as me & my daughter were trundlling through the Blackpool illuminations a certain Mr R Winstanley suggested he discovered it!
Agentsmith Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 well..not really knockin 'em..just said knocks spots off..which it does..i just get a bit fed up of some people who.. well..slag off,dumb down..records that were monsters at the time..just coz they have that white or pop attachment..i mean SS's original version of FOOTSEE first played at the casino was massive..and still sounds great to my ears..(IF ANYONE HAS A COPY THEY WANNA SELL ME?)..EMI disc/acetate/carvers all considered..so, thats my take..dont diss it just coz its an oldie from an era that was just incredible.. THE ORIGINAL simon acetate didnt have the football crowd dubbed onto it and....for its time, sounded so much better...lets face it...we all danced to it back in the day, but it would be scraping the barrell to entertain it now.....you can thank pdd for its commercialisation of the track for its non-existance now, though they, in turn, wouldnt thank me for saying that, as it was probably their biggest seller. whereas....afternoon on the rhino still catches the imagination as a truly innovative stomper as much for the fact it dosnt exist in an original 7" format as it is also one of the finest lp discoveries of all-time.from a non-soul point of view, it hi-lites the unique talent of mike post who went on to produce tv themes for all-time classics, such as rockford files, magnum p.i. and hill st blues.
Godzilla Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 I'm pretty sure there was a film (from that era) called Afternoon Of The Rhino. Not very well known - either B-movie or a made for TV. I'd like to see some evidence of this....
Guest Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Dunno, I've always wondered that. All I could come up with was maybe as the tune is so fast and furious, Mike Post thought it resembled a herd of Rhinos on the rampage? Dunno! This is my copy of the album, Still love the look of it! I have that one also. Well last night on Radio lancs as me & my daughter were trundlling through the Blackpool illuminations a certain Mr R Winstanley suggested he discovered it! Like he discovered America?
Davetay Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 I have that one also. Like he discovered America? Steve, I am sure that Russ's copy came off Malc. Malc told me he sold him the LP at Wigan Rugby Club (midweek venue before the Casino opened it's doors).
Davetay Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 Steve, I am sure that Russ's copy came off Malc. Malc told me he sold him the LP at Wigan Rugby Club (midweek venue before the Casino opened it's doors). P.S. Dave said that you had got my old copy off him.
Guest Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 P.S. Dave said that you had got my old copy off him. I think ive inherited it Dave not seen him around for a while, im babysitting a few of his old albums.Very tired some of them so ive been painstakingly restoring (with Sellotape ) the sleeves a little.
Davetay Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 ..ALWAYS WONDERED HOW THIS CAME TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST INST OF THE EARLY NORTHERN SCENE..AS IT WAS AN LP ONLY TRACK (AT THE TIME) WHO FIRST CAME UPON IT..WHERE WAS IT PLAYED FIRST..I THINK I FIRST HEARD IT AT THE LEEDS QUEENS HALL IN '74..MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE EARLIER.. It had already been booted when Queen's Hall was on, had been played for about a year by than. There were lots of LP tracks only played back than circa 73/74.
SHEFFSOUL Posted November 7, 2012 Author Posted November 7, 2012 It had already been booted when Queen's Hall was on, had been played for about a year by than. There were lots of LP tracks only played back than circa 73/74. oh..well maybe i did hear it earlier..as Queens hall was April '74 (i think) if AOTR was a year earlier..would that make it a Torch sound? or just after?
Davetay Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 oh..well maybe i did hear it earlier..as Queens hall was April '74 (i think) if AOTR was a year earlier..would that make it a Torch sound? or just after? I was thinking Queens Hall was in the summer of 74, May/June not Arpil but it doesn't matter. It was in the late summer of 73 when I `1st heard it, a good few months after the Torch closed.
Dave Pinch Posted November 8, 2012 Posted November 8, 2012 listenin to clog dancing? now that's just weird. sounds better than iron maiden tho.....and abba
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