Charity Events On The Increase?

[Russoul1]

hi all, is it me or is an increase of "charity events" popping up everywhere, im not saying charity is a bad thing if done for the right

reasons but im starting to wonder whether the charity word is just a way of another tin pot handbaggers soul nite to start up

usually with the same people involved including another batch of wantabee djs......ripping the paying punter of with there non

wealth of knowledge and disrespect for other established promotors/soul nites etc locally which they might clash or clash with

sorry if this offends anyone, but surely more people must notice the increase.....or is it just me?

[Little-stevie]

I brought up the very same question a few years ago on here and got my head bitten off

Have you got a tin hat ready..

[KevH]

I brought up the very same question a few years ago on here and got my head bitten off

Have you got a tin hat ready..

Not by me Steve.Tin hats for sale - £5 a go.

[Russoul1]

another thing that seems to happen regards "charity events" not all off course must stress, is that most of the advertising/organising and bull of blah blah amounts of tickets sold etc

is done via facebook etc and rarely on this site?

would also be nice to see some of the ammounts made for chosen charity/s, instead of photos of handbaggers etc trying to dance and the promotors

bigging up there events because 500 locals turned up......

wheres my tin hat!! lol

[Pauldonnelly]

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[Russoul1]

YOU HAVE PM..

have replied

as i have stressed this is my opinion only not a slur on anyone or events just an observation, at the end of the day this is a forum if your to shy to see/say

things how you feel then whats the point!!

[Pauldonnelly]

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[Pumpkinseed]

Well said ! " Russoul 1 .

[Pauldonnelly]

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[Pauldonnelly]

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[Paddy Ferry]

hi all, is it me or is an increase of "charity events" popping up everywhere, im not saying charity is a bad thing if done for the right

reasons but im starting to wonder whether the charity word is just a way of another tin pot handbaggers soul nite to start up

usually with the same people involved including another batch of wantabee djs......ripping the paying punter of with there non

wealth of knowledge and disrespect for other established promotors/soul nites etc locally which they might clash or clash with

sorry if this offends anyone, but surely more people must notice the increase.....or is it just me?

Greetings, I put a charity event on last year in Gainsborough and invited well known Dj's including our special guest Mary Chapman, so from my point of view charging £3.00 to get in was not ripping the paying punter off with a wealth of non-knowledge, as for clashing with other nights I planned and posted 6 months in advance when no other events were on, I will be doing one this year with a similar format and have selected a date not to clash. Last year we raised £674.15 [ don't ask about the 15p] which went to the air ambulance the Dj's were offered petrol money which some declined, I have been asked to put more events on but won't because I do agree that there comes a time when folk get fed up with the charity do, so imho once a year is enough.

[Russoul1]

Greetings, I put a charity event on last year in Gainsborough and invited well known Dj's including our special guest Mary Chapman, so from my point of view charging £3.00 to get in was not ripping the paying punter off with a wealth of non-knowledge, as for clashing with other nights I planned and posted 6 months in advance when no other events were on, I will be doing one this year with a similar format and have selected a date not to clash. Last year we raised £674.15 [ don't ask about the 15p] which went to the air ambulance the Dj's were offered petrol money which some declined, I have been asked to put more events on but won't because I do agree that there comes a time when folk get fed up with the charity do, so imho once a year is enough.

respect to you, should be the way "once a year event" no problems with that, my point is some may use the "charity tag" to use to start up more events/venues

if you see what i mean

[Pumpkinseed]

Well said ! " Paul Donnelly "

[Guest eventures]

respect to you, should be the way "once a year event" no problems with that, my point is some may use the "charity tag" to use to start up more events/venues

if you see what i mean

It's a good point. However it's quite hard to criticize charity events in any way, because quite frankly in the end it's for a good cause. Wether the organisers are doing it because they want to get some publicity out of it or not, in the end the money goes towards people who need it. There's quite frankly nothing bad to say about charity events.. I'm personally putting a charity event on as part of my events management course at uni. It benefits me and the charity. I do get something out of it as well (a good grade hopefully) but I also believe in the charity I'm raising awareness for.

Whatever you say it's quite hard to diss charity events. Ethically if I can say, they're good, whatever people's motive is..

[Rob Wigley]

Don't mind doing the odd Charity Night every now and then once or twice a year, usually rely on the pool of "proper" DJs as well."

Easy way to put "Doubters" minds at ease is to hand over the Cheque on the night if possible...

As Photo shows from November 2012 L to R Doug Hall, Steve Goody, Neil Self , Sara Baker (night in aid of her) Yours truly.

A sum of £931.00 was raised towards medical costs for Sara and duly handed over towards the end of the night.

Job Done....

Rob

[Pauldonnelly]

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[Jez Jones]

hi all, is it me or is an increase of "charity events" popping up everywhere, im not saying charity is a bad thing if done for the right

reasons but im starting to wonder whether the charity word is just a way of another tin pot handbaggers soul nite to start up

usually with the same people involved including another batch of wantabee djs......ripping the paying punter of with there non

wealth of knowledge and disrespect for other established promotors/soul nites etc locally which they might clash or clash with

sorry if this offends anyone, but surely more people must notice the increase.....or is it just me?

Russ...some interesting points you have raised there..

I think there is a greater emphasis on charities generally nowadays. In the current socio-economic climate, many charities are 'charged' with providing much needed support to the more vulnerable and hard to help in our society...where once the state may have provided that support..

Fundraisng in a less than buoyant economy as we have now.....is always going to be difficult and the fundraisers themselves often have to be very creative and imaginative in securing that 'extra penny' out of our hard earned incomes.

It is inevitable that 'soul nights' can be seen as a good vehicle for fund raising...but NOT exclusively. Many other events take place under the banner of charity fundraising...including rock'n'roll nights,fancy dress parties,sponsored walks,etc etc and the list goes on

More power to them I say!!!....If the 'haves' can do a little bit to help the 'have nots ' whether it be via a soul night or indeed any activity..then that an only be a good thing surely!

Right I've set the scene as I see it.....

Now I sense a certain 'vitriole' in your comments regarding these events

. Is it just local initiatives you're having a problem with...or generally nationwide ?

Is it using 'another tin pot handbaggers soul nite' as a vehicle to raise funds you object to ?

Is the '.ripping the paying punter of with there non

wealth of knowledge' causing you a concern when trying to raise much needed funds for any designated charity ?

...finally can you give specific examples of any 'clashes' and if you perceive it to be an issue...how would you suggest resolving it?

and not offended and yes I have seen an increase...its not just you

[Guest tommymac]

this has annoyed me for reasons that will be come clear in a minute. most charities are probably suffering at the moment because of the economic climate, so anything raised to help them has to be a good thing. i understand about your annoyance about soul nights being started on the back of a charity do (its a bit naughty) but we need new blood bringing into the scene. and it is one way of doing it. for most of the last 8yrs i have along with friends run soul nights in west cumbria. and one night every year all proceeds are given to a charity.lately that charity has been to help cancer research. which due to the fact i have terminal cancer is a personal favorite.the money wont do me any good but if it saves one life after me, then the jobs a good un .RANT OVER

[Guest MissHongkongfuey]

You know sometimes, using a hobby or something we really enjoy is the best way to raise money with a passion! Not just the passion for charity involved, but in a way thats totally enjoyable to all.

I don't want to do the raffle thing, I don't want to harass people on the street or to arrange an afternoon tea and cake thing.

I've been raising money in 2012/13 for Macmillan Cancer Support and our most successful night was a music event. Without plugging it relentlessly on facebook, there would have been only a few. People are sent event invites at the start, but they soon get forgotten about because we are bombarded with other event invites on that site.

People choose where they want to go, they choose if they want to support a charity night or not. I just find it easier to raise money by putting on something that I have passion for. Its my way of doing my bit

[Andybellwood]

You know sometimes, using a hobby or something we really enjoy is the best way to raise money with a passion! Not just the passion for charity involved, but in a way thats totally enjoyable to all.

I don't want to do the raffle thing, I don't want to harass people on the street or to arrange an afternoon tea and cake thing.

I've been raising money in 2012/13 for Macmillan Cancer Support and our most successful night was a music event. Without plugging it relentlessly on facebook, there would have been only a few. People are sent event invites at the start, but they soon get forgotten about because we are bombarded with other event invites on that site.

People choose where they want to go, they choose if they want to support a charity night or not. I just find it easier to raise money by putting on something that I have passion for. Its my way of doing my bit

You know sometimes, using a hobby or something we really enjoy is the best way to raise money with a passion! Not just the passion for charity involved, but in a way thats totally enjoyable to all.

I don't want to do the raffle thing, I don't want to harass people on the street or to arrange an afternoon tea and cake thing.

I've been raising money in 2012/13 for Macmillan Cancer Support and our most successful night was a music event. Without plugging it relentlessly on facebook, there would have been only a few. People are sent event invites at the start, but they soon get forgotten about because we are bombarded with other event invites on that site.

People choose where they want to go, they choose if they want to support a charity night or not. I just find it easier to raise money by putting on something that I have passion for. Its my way of doing my bit

couldn't have put it better...

[Pete S]

hi all, is it me or is an increase of "charity events" popping up everywhere, im not saying charity is a bad thing if done for the right

reasons but im starting to wonder whether the charity word is just a way of another tin pot handbaggers soul nite to start up

usually with the same people involved including another batch of wantabee djs......ripping the paying punter of with there non

wealth of knowledge and disrespect for other established promotors/soul nites etc locally which they might clash or clash with

sorry if this offends anyone, but surely more people must notice the increase.....or is it just me?

So you're basically saying that people are setting up charity soul nights, or PRETEND charity soul nights, in an attempt to sabotage or take over established soul nights?

I could imagine this happening maybe once...but to brand all charity do's with the same brush, I think that's pretty much out of order, especially with some of the fantastic work that the guys who've already posted on this topic do. Very unfair. If it's just the one, and you know it for a fact, spill the beans, otherwise insinuations towards straight up guys like Paul Donnelly and Jez Jones leave a bad taste in the mouth. I'm not mates with these people but I can see what they do is a good thing.

[Guest gordon russell]

another thing that seems to happen regards "charity events" not all off course must stress, is that most of the advertising/organising and bull of blah blah amounts of tickets sold etc

is done via facebook etc and rarely on this site?

would also be nice to see some of the ammounts made for chosen charity/s, instead of photos of handbaggers etc trying to dance and the promotors

bigging up there events because 500 locals turned up......

wheres my tin hat!! lol

Had my head chewed a couple of years ago.....when l merely asked the question of one big charity event.....wheres the money? ...all hell broke loose.....everyone had a go at me.......never said a word to the promoter even though he had no explanation other than saying he,d made no money even though the event was rammed.....this event is still on,but the charity aspect has been quietly dropped....pobably because he makes no money and does it out of the goodness of his heart.....yeh right.

charity events are fine as long as the money goes to CHARITY and is seen to go to CHARITY......

If there is any controversy or hint of wrong doing surrounding an event....then folk from the soul scene/dj,s should as a matter of morality steer well clear.........but sadly this does not happen....except of course, me

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[paultp]

I've been trying to think of a good reason why people raising money for charities might be a bad thing ............ and I can't.

Why complain?

[Md Records]

Charity events seem to come under 3 headings

- All takings to charity

- All profits to charity

- A donation to charity

Like Paul and Rob have done, I think that any Charity event should declare a financial statement, so we all know how much money was taken, how much went to charity, how much didn't and where that went. I think there are some fantastic acts of kindness being done, which should be recognised and supported, but if you're using a "charity" angle to help promote your night, like putting "donation to charity" at the bottom of your flyer, then you should tell us all how much you raised and for who!

Sorry to come across a bit harsh, but I don't like the thought of people personally profiting from a charity event

Des

[Guest MissHongkongfuey]

So you're basically saying that people are setting up charity soul nights, or PRETEND charity soul nights, in an attempt to sabotage or take over established soul nights?

I could imagine this happening maybe once...but to brand all charity do's with the same brush, I think that's pretty much out of order, especially with some of the fantastic work that the guys who've already posted on this topic do. Very unfair. If it's just the one, and you know it for a fact, spill the beans, otherwise insinuations towards straight up guys like Paul Donnelly and Jez Jones leave a bad taste in the mouth. I'm not mates with these people but I can see what they do is a good thing.

I totally agree Pete and also want to add.... I don't care who is hosting the event or Djing. If an established well known DJ is offering his/her time or a "wantobee DJ" is doing also, then I salute them all. Transparency is vital of course but I'm not prepared to dog anyone who donates time, effort and goodwill.

Doing something for others is rare as f**k these days.

[Pete S]

Had my head chewed a couple of years ago.....when l merely asked the question of one big charity event.....wheres the money? ...all hell broke loose.....everyone had a go at me.......never said a word to the promoter even though he had no explanation saying he made no money.....this event is still on,but the charity aspect has been quietly dropped....pobably because he makes no money and does it out of the goodness of his heart.....yeh right.

charity events are fine as long as the money goes to CHARITY and is seen to go to CHARITY......

If there is any controversy or hint of wrong doing surrounding an event....then folk from the soul scene/dj,s should as a matter of morality steer well clear.........but sadly this does not happen....except of course, me

Nothing wrong with asking where the money went, after all, it was people's hard-earned cash.

[Md Records]

Sorry

I forgot Jez, Paddy, Miss Hong Kong Fuey, Eventures and Tommy, who's motives should also be applauded!!!

Des

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[Dave Pinch]

whats the difference between a lass doing a soul night charging a fiver to get in and donating to Charity and a group of guys doing a soul night and charging f*ck all entry?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??

only difference i found is charity means handbags and jean genies

[Guest gordon russell]

Nothing wrong with asking where the money went, after all, it was people's hard-earned cash.

The fella came on this site and told me to "go away,what,s it got to do with you?".....to this day none of the profit promised ever got there "allegedly"

[Pete S]

The fella came on this site and told me to "go away,what,s it got to do with you?".....to this day none of the profit promised ever got there "allegedly"

Well if they never handed over the money, people are surely entitled to a refund even this long after the event. Or trading standards need to have a look at it.

[Pauldonnelly]

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[Guest tommymac]

nice one paul we always did ours on a shoe string. but if you want to raise big money then you have to spend a few bob to make a few bob.would have loved to help out the young lady from manchester with her night for christies charity. but the illness means travelling that far and the amount of records i would have to take is pretty much a no no (wish it wasnt or i would be there like a shot) and yes we do have some bad apples on the northern scene as in all walks of life. but cant let one bad apple spoil all the goodness that soulies do giving there time effort and money to charities.

[Carol Phyllis]

I don't know if it is still on here but a few years ago I started a thread asking if, when choosing a night out, would people opt for a charity event over a non-charity one on the same night.

If I remember correctly the majority of responses was NO, unless it was a charity that was close to home or an event with DJs that they would follow anyway.

If this is still the case then the charity nights alluded to should not interfere with or make any significant difference to any established events

[Ian Seaman]

I do mainly charity nights now but only after the charities contact me, recently done one for the south lincs blind society, they ran the door & raffle and all i did was supply myself and equipment for travel/flyer costs all DJ's worked for free and we made £263.

Doing another one for the lincs Cancer trust this month which is run same way, they run/take the door money and do the raffle,

seems fair way to me. Charities are having a bad time with the lotto etc so any funds raised is very welcome by them !

Ian.

[Modernsoulsucks]

No,not noticed really.

Lovely time at Paul's do.

Wannabe dj's ? Everywhere aren't they ?

Rip-offs need to be stamped out if running a bogus charity night.

ROD

[Tobytyke]

we do a charity night at newport pagnell every 6 months. we have done 10 now and raised over £12k in total for various charities , including marie cure, leukimia, endoscopy unit,multiple sclerosis and the local hospice. the working mens club let us have the venue for free, so every penny goes to charity. we have almost 200 people who are happy to pay £5 a ticket. it is a handbag night although we play 100% soul/disco and most people who attend are aged around 45 to 60. its mainly the same people who attend just to socialise ,dance , drink and have a good time. i had a mate who used to dj and played some rare northern however this was not appreciated by the vast majority who want to hear the sounds from their youth, eg frankie valli, formations , stairsteps,bob and earl, loads of motown and 70s tavares, emotions etc.not every ones cup of tea but it works for us. its also very hard work sorting out tickets ,lugging equipment about, raffle prizes etc. but it is very rewarding.

[Guest tommymac]

your right rod rip off charity dos do need stamping out, the damage they do to genuine charities is nasty.!!! mind can i join the wannabe djs willing to start as second string lol.

[Guest gordon russell]

My spreadsheet from class of 72 that I know is difficult to follow

expenses listed as follows as £545

Income list below as £2145

profits £1600 split 4 ways

class of 72 expenses PD 04-Jul STAMPS AND ENVELOPES 42 PD 02-Jul 3 PAINTINGS 60 CANVASS AND INKS PD 01-Jul TABLE DECS 123 0 DONATION BY PD PD 01-Jul TABLE CLOTHS 35 MB 06-Jul WRISTBANDS 60 PD 09-Jul STAMPS 5 PD 11-Jul STAMPS 7 PD 19-Jul STAMPS 5 PD 23-Jul STAMPS 5 PD 01-Jun STAMPS 10 PD 31-Aug STAMPS 10 PD 01-Sep STEWARDS 200 JEZ 20-Oct FUEL 15 PD STAMPS 5 PD ALAN DAY HOTEL 50 SUE HEY ALAN DAY HOTEL 6 HEADPHONES ? 30 545 INCOME RAFFLE 950 DOOR 1095 2045 PD DONATION 20 OLLY 80 INCOME 2145 EXPENDITURE 545 i have 1600 (

Paul why do you feel the need to defend yourself in this matter?......do you feel someone is aiming all this in your direction?....it,s not what original poster was getting at

[Pete S]

Paul why do you feel the need to defend yourself in this matter?......do you feel someone is aiming all this in your direction?....it,s not what original poster was getting at

Facebook connection I think

[Benji]

but are guys saying that Russ is completely wrong? I read his post the way that he thinks there's an increasing number of sub-standard do's with sub-standard dj's promoted under the charity banner.

[Pauldonnelly]

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[Davekd]

Not really noticed an increase in charity nights in the London area, so maybe it's a regional thing.

It's true we have had an increase in new events, and like alot of things, some are good run by people who 'get it' and some are complete tosh run by people who dont 'get it' and never will, attempting to trample on all those around them - but that's a different subject.

Maybe we could have some examples of these events, wanabee DJ's etc?

Find it hard to imagine people ripping off a charity in the way implied, but again let's hear about it properly.

Whenever I've run a charity night I've only ever once been asked by a DJ for expenses, always got our venue for free and only really had to pay the doorman.

The facebook advertising thing is easy (IMO) - it'd easier and nicer and often gets a better response than advertising on here these days. I used to go straight to the events section but rarely bother now (even for my own event lol).

Dave

[Citizen P]

but are guys saying that Russ is completely wrong? I read his post the way that he thinks there's an increasing number of sub-standard do's with sub-standard dj's promoted under the charity banner.

Ok, but what is a Substandard do ??

If somebody is genuinely trying to help a charity they're gonna want as many people through the door as possible and that surely means catering to the widest possible taste, which is going to be Motown, Club Classics, The Snake and all that--not that it would pique my interest, but then again playng the rarest, most exclusive music isn't going to appeal to many of the target audience is it.

So long as the charity gains and the folk that attended enjoyed it can't see a problem.

BUT- using a Charity banner to start another oldies night or one that fails to get any money to the charity is decidely Out Of Order

[Guest gordon russell]

it,s quite simple really ......if you just think.........they use the charity banner because they know full well nobody would turn up,but use the word charity and they mistakenly believe that word alone will bring extra punters and in the case of the handbag type doos...it usually does........none of my remarks are aimed at you paul d...atb t

[Benji]

Ok, but what is a Substandard do ??

If somebody is genuinely trying to help a charity they're gonna want as many people through the door as possible and that surely means catering to the widest possible taste, which is going to be Motown, Club Classics, The Snake and all that--not that it would pique my interest, but then again playng the rarest, most exclusive music isn't going to appeal to many of the target audience is it.

So long as the charity gains and the folk that attended enjoyed it can't see a problem.

BUT- using a Charity banner to start another oldies night or one that fails to get any money to the charity is decidely Out Of Order

To be honest, I'd rather give a fiver to the homeless guy on the streets than attend a charity do as the one you describe.

[Pauldonnelly]

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[Pete S]

I'd probably give to both.

On one visit to Tunbridge Wells or Tonbridge can't remember which, this scruffy bloke was sitting outside a bakery type shop begging, so I went in and bought him a cornish pastie cos he looked half starved, he more or less told me to f*ck off with the food and give him money, you know what I was so tempted to stick my foot in his face, actually I wish I had now...waste of a good pastie.

[Geeselad]

On one visit to Tunbridge Wells or Tonbridge can't remember which, this scruffy bloke was sitting outside a bakery type shop begging, so I went in and bought him a cornish pastie cos he looked half starved, he more or less told me to f*ck off with the food and give him money, you know what I was so tempted to stick my foot in his face, actually I wish I had now...waste of a good pastie.

if you've got any spare pasties send em to me, I'll pay the post!

[Russoul1]

RIGHT JUST GOT IN FROM A HARDS DAYS WORK, IM ACTUALLY QUITE UPSET AND PI**ED OFF REGARDING PAULS COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS ON

THIS THREADS TOPIC, WHY DOES HE HAVE TO THINK THAT THIS IS ABOUT HIM? BECAUSE I MENTIONED FACEBOOK? WHICH I HAVE NO TIME FOR

OR GET INVOLVED IN!! I DIDINT EVEN REALISE THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN A CHARITY EVENT IN THE COMING WEEKS

as i stated from the off its just a observation not a slander, paul as taken everything to heart but why make a point of it, pming me should have been enough

with my reply and assurance that it was NO WAY an attack on him WHY?

then to SLATE our event with a stupid remark about some blokes doing a event for free, its free so what it not for charity is it!!!

ive got alot of respect for paul for his charity work which is done for the right reason, and his part in the history of soul music in our area,christ hes a posh supporter like me! lol

MAYBE IF HE ACTUALLY READS MY POSTINGS AND UNDERSTANDS THAT EVERYTHING I HAVE WRITTEN IS REGARDS MY FEELINGS AND WHAT I THINK

PERSONALLY then he would see that this isnt targeted NOT against him OR anyone in particular...

ITS strange that people who have read this the way ive written it can see what im trying to get at regarding my opinion as ive already stated forums are for debate

not always what some want to hear, it may upset some which im sorry but if more people who have issues regards our great scene dont voice there thoughts then

whats the point of debating...

im now fed up with writing and i suppose i will be getting a pm

sorry one last thing some off the posters have obviously not read my initial post

[Russoul1]

AM STILL PISSED WITH THIS SO HERES PAULS PMS WITH MY REPLIES, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH

HAVE EDITED, DELETED NAMES OF PAULS PM out of RESPECT

Russ was your latest post re charity nights aimed

Sent YDay, 09:57 PM

at the Parkway club night on 22nd Feb mate?

PD

Sent YDay, 10:02 PM

as i have stressed this is my opinion only paul and i can assure you that this is no way a dig at anyone in particular

and certainly not you or this event which i didnt even know is coming up!!

anyway hope your well and UTP or down!!!

regards

russ

Sent YDay, 10:06 PM

THANK f*ck FOR THAT..

AS 1...this is a night the .......... is organising for ......... who has Terminal Cancer (he is a Right Track regular)

AS 2 They have asked me and Tony Dellar to dj, we have waived our fee and suggested we would use our Face book contacts to promote

as 3, we raised £1600 from the last Torch Reunion that we sold out via Facebbok, I have the four letters fromthe four charitys that recived 400 each if you needed to inspect Rus

UTP AND FTC

Sent YDay, 10:24 PM

sorry paul, but is your last post pointed at me? club caliente?

Sent YDay, 10:40 PM

russoul1, on 05 February 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

sorry paul, but is your last post pointed at me? club caliente?

as i have stressed this is my opinion only not a slur on anyone or events just an observation, at the end of the day this is a forum if your to shy to see/say

things how you feel then whats the point!!

Edited February 6, 2013 by russoul1