Tezcaine Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Hi just bought Bobby Garrett I can't get away. On original mirwood,all looks right styrene -I think and stamps in dead wax. But recording is quiet ,any input appreciated. Atb tez Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Kev John Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, tezcaine said: Hi just bought Bobby Garrett I can't get away. On original mirwood,all looks right styrene -I think and stamps in dead wax. But recording is quiet ,any input appreciated. Atb tez Hi Tez Iv'e got the Purple label issue on styrene & its loud as hell Also found an old thread from 2007 may help you Atb Kev Edited September 30, 2016 by Kev John Added old thread that may help the original auther Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jerry Hipkiss Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I got caught decades ago with this, looks OK but it's a boot, they copied the matrix details as best they could...well, 3am at a dark niter, how was I to know...:-) "counterfeited as a blue stock copy using very flexible VINYL (you can do a Rolf Harris impression with it) and copying DELTA # 59636 and lots of other very unconvincing squiggles and numbers etc. " Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tezcaine Posted September 30, 2016 Author Share Posted September 30, 2016 I think mines like this,too quiet and,thinner than other mirwood,thought it was styrene,cos looked stuck on label,still not sure about this process. Think it's a boot. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tlscapital Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 29 septembre 2016 at 23:08, tezcaine said: Hi just bought Bobby Garrett I can't get away. On original mirwood,all looks right styrene -I think and stamps in dead wax. But recording is quiet ,any input appreciated. Atb tez Can you provide us with a good scan or picture of that copy you're talking about ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 9/30/2016 at 22:08, Jerry Hipkiss said: I got caught decades ago with this, looks OK but it's a boot, they copied the matrix details as best they could...well, 3am at a dark niter, how was I to know...:-) "counterfeited as a blue stock copy using very flexible VINYL (you can do a Rolf Harris impression with it) and copying DELTA # 59636 and lots of other very unconvincing squiggles and numbers etc. " In the mid 1970s there was a whole gaggle of these made & sold, I can't remember the name of the shop, I think it was in Leighton Buzzard, anyway they made/sold Richard Temple, Jimmy Conwell, Bobby Garrett and others. At the time it was very difficult to tell from originals, I have been sold many by people who swear they're originals based on the fact it had been in their collection since the 1970s If it's styrene you're OK, pity about the sound quality. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Casino76 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Got me confused now, here is a picture of my copy, styrene. is it real? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Fred Benson Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Have a similar problem......unable to find out if mine's 'genuine'. Sold as such, but doubt creeps in.....don't want to sell it on without being 100% sure. Can anyone post a photo of the Vinyl boot and the styrene original? Thanks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 All originals Styrene , all counterfeits thin flexible Vinyl , both promos and stock. Original ... "hold the 65-1037 @ 6'o'clock , @ 4'o' clock is a faint empty "ring" of an MR stamp. Boot ...."hold 65-1037-A at 6'o' clock ... follow deadwax anti-clockwise to the matrix reads jT "vocal" Ci (no dot) an encircled 8 then delta #59636. The Ci is an attempt to replicate the faint empty MR stamp on the originals. Details courtesy of Mr Manships 5th edition. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Fred Benson Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Thanks, have the book but it is still unclear.....it has a feint empty 'incomplete' ring, the bit that is the i (no dot) is quite rounded, not like an i.....as if a segment of the circle is missing ( or feint) The encircled 8 is more like a P or a R with a continuous line making the circle..... Have asked a few people, who give me contradicting opinions and a difficult one to judge. Bought from a reputable source as an original but I have my doubts. Once again, apologies, but how do you tell the difference between styrene and vinyl? Any simple guidelines? Thanks if anyone can assist..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Try bending it , If it bends it's vinyl , if it snaps it's styrene ... If you think you can peel the label off it's styrene , if the labels 'moulded' into the record so you couldn't peel it off it's vinyl. Edited October 2, 2016 by WoodButcher 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Fishdockroad Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Isn't styrene a 'reddy' colour when held up to the light as opposed to vinyl being black? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tlscapital Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fishdockroad said: Isn't styrene a 'reddy' colour when held up to the light as opposed to vinyl being black? Nope. Styrene is light, stiff and always has a 90° outer edge where vinyl is heavier, souple and has most of the time a round or sharper outer edge. Some pressing plants in the 8T's made some vinyl 45's with a straight 90° outer edge though... Edited October 2, 2016 by tlscapital 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tezcaine Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 Hi ,ended up getting a refund from seller, genuine mistake I think ,it was vinyl ,more flexible than my other mirwood tracks,label looked stuck on,rather than molded on.so I thought it was styrene. If the sound quality had been a bit louder,I would never have questioned it. A shame,brilliant record. Atb tez Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
BabyBoyAndMyLass Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Reading this has made me question my copy of ICGA, bought in eighties from Tim A, fiver I think (it was a gift) pretty sure it's gonna be one of those boots! To be frank it's one of my most prized possessions, boot or no, have no care or idea about the originality/value, I can't tell, it's pretty loud though! These days I don't play it now having got it on Kent. Best of luck acquiring a genuine ICGA, joint top of my list with The Belles 'Don't pretend'. When folks ask me what NS is I play those two sides, if they don't like them then they don't 'get' Northern soul imo, plus there is something wrong with their ears! Talking about Bob Garrett/Relf here: Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ljblanken Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Dang! Now I'm worried. Just bought this from a reputable dealer ... but can't check it cuz I'm traveling for work. :-( https://www.ebay.com/itm/BOBBY-GARRETT-i-can-039-t-get-away-NORTHERN-SOUL-45-mirwood-M-HEAR-/201679927806?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=K6dWbqXW4iGYCyos5NqriTMevRc%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 02/10/2016 at 15:04, Fishdockroad said: Isn't styrene a 'reddy' colour when held up to the light as opposed to vinyl being black? Styrene sounds tinny if you flick it with a fingernail. Greater probability of sound distortion with styrene, especially on the higher notes and particularly on well played copies. Probably lighter. Can sometimes see the join in the material when cooled in the press. A poor substitute for vinyl but if you want an original record, you may only get one on styrene so you're stuck with the inferior medium. Mirwood boots sadly all too common as LA was boosters paradise back in the early days. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tattoodave Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 hour ago, ljblanken said: Dang! Now I'm worried. Just bought this from a reputable dealer ... but can't check it cuz I'm traveling for work. :-( https://www.ebay.com/itm/BOBBY-GARRETT-i-can-039-t-get-away-NORTHERN-SOUL-45-mirwood-M-HEAR-/201679927806?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=K6dWbqXW4iGYCyos5NqriTMevRc%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc As you bought it from Mike and Michelle there's no doubt in my mind that it's an original 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Only Dreaming Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 15 minutes ago, TattooDave said: As you bought it from Mike and Michelle there's no doubt in my mind that it's an original Yep. Looks like an original to me as well. Dave 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 13:27, 3b48 said: Got me confused now, here is a picture of my copy, styrene. is it real? Yes it is, matrix number puts it's release as 1965, well done. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ljblanken Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 hours ago, TattooDave said: As you bought it from Mike and Michelle there's no doubt in my mind that it's an original Cool! I've bought tons of stuff from them before and have been amazed at the quality of the stock they get their hands on. Thanks! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Chris L said: Yes it is, matrix number puts it's release as 1965, well done. It's the material that authenticates it , the boot has the same Delta number in the run-out as a real one. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tattoodave Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 10 hours ago, ljblanken said: Cool! I've bought tons of stuff from them before and have been amazed at the quality of the stock they get their hands on. Thanks! They are a real nice couple, they actually came over to the 100 Club at one time. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sammy Seaman Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) got a near mint w/demo for sale, you honestly won`t find a better copy anywhere £150 including s/delivery SOLD SOLD SOLD sammy Edited October 13, 2016 by sammy seaman Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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