Is this for real or a boot?   https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Flirtations-STRONGER-THAN-HER-LOVE-F705-Festival-7-Northern-Soul-Single-/182372300845?hash=item2a763c782d:g:cl8AAOSw4GVYPzNg

Looking at the rest of the stuff that they have listed and the unlikely tale that the records are " Part of a big northern soul collection we found when we moved into our new house" it all looks very dubious to me.

 

I asked the seller to put the Number in the runout onto his sales page and he has not even responded to my question from 3 days ago. 

I did not tell him what the correct number would be for an original

I would suggest he knows its a boot and is keeping quite due to the large bids on it.

 

My last post was incorrect after I rechecked the eBay page.

I asked the seller to put the Number in the runout onto his sales page and he has answered my question now and its  a boot.

 

Edited December 4, 20168 yr by spook

This is now on the Q&A section

Q: There should be a pressing plant number in the run out of the vinyl, what is the number please?
A: Hi, the number is 100272 regards, Claire

So according to Manships Guide that makes it a BOOT!

Fools and their money

 

22 minutes ago, Okehdownsouth said:

Is this for real or a boot?   https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Flirtations-STRONGER-THAN-HER-LOVE-F705-Festival-7-Northern-Soul-Single-/182372300845?hash=item2a763c782d:g:cl8AAOSw4GVYPzNg

Looking at the rest of the stuff that they have listed and the unlikely tale that the records are " Part of a big northern soul collection we found when we moved into our new house" it all looks very dubious to me.

 

It's a boot. Under original

Edited December 4, 20168 yr by Chris L

Chris,

There is an original west coast white demo like the one for sale on eBay but it has  64784 in the runout.

Best David

 

I asked for the run out details which are now shown in the questions section.

I told the seller it was a bootleg but they are trying the old ' I know nothing about records etc ' scenario

Just from the image, the extra large runout gives it away. But the delta dates it to Aug 76

8 minutes ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

Just from the image, the extra large runout gives it away. But the delta dates it to Aug 76

I've had a couple of these over the years, they're boots, all made mid/late 70s at our good friend Monarch's plant.

Why are they bidding so much money on a boot?

it beggars belief.

1 hour ago, Chris L said:

How do you tell the boot from the original on this label design?

 

2 hours ago, spook said:

Chris,

There is an original west coast white demo like the one for sale on eBay but it has  64784 in the runout.

Best David

 

Yes you're right but the run out is smaller, it's from 1967, there were a gaggle of releases in the mid 70s from Monarch hence the matrix 100000, they did Patti Emblems, Duke Browner etc.

Label "looks"the same, but, as said above, the 64784 matrix and the much smaller runout with is orig.

ORIG

And the Boot has the Aug 76 martix of 100272 with much bigger runout

BOOT

Also the left / bottom line runs out too short on the boot

Cheers
Mick

Edited December 4, 20168 yr by Mick Holdsworth

Dear god, when you think things can't get any dafter they do................

1 hour ago, 3b48 said:

 

There's one on ebay from the US of A - how can you tell the original of this particular demo copy?:

TIA

16 minutes ago, JulianB said:

There's one on ebay from the US of A - how can you tell the original of this particular demo copy?:

TIA

If you mean the Multi-coloured vinyl copy, it hasn't been booted (at least not in the seventies or eighties) although as with any record, you have to be careful of Ink Jet / colour copy labels gobbed onto an outta site or whatever

Edited December 4, 20168 yr by Mick Holdsworth

42 minutes ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

If you mean the Multi-coloured vinyl copy, it hasn't been booted (at least not in the seventies or eighties) although as with any record, you have to be careful of Ink Jet / colour copy labels gobbed onto an outta site or whatever

Thanks for the info. However if you check on popsike there are a number of these multi coloured copies listed as boots. Do you know the deadwax markings for the original multi coloured copy?

Based on the Manship guide it is a boot - I'd love an original of this great tune. The delta #64784 should be in the runout not #100272 as stated by the seller in the questions asked. There's been alot of bids!

The multi coloured one has      AB      f1124      in the runout

4 hours ago, JulianB said:

Thanks for the info. However if you check on popsike there are a number of these multi coloured copies listed as boots. Do you know the deadwax markings for the original multi coloured copy?

The ones I could see are fake labels stuck over the plain white boot (presumably) - They'e mostly from the same "if it suits your needs" seller

21 hours ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

Label "looks"the same, but, as said above, the 64784 matrix and the much smaller runout with is orig.

ORIG

And the Boot has the Aug 76 martix of 100272 with much bigger runout

BOOT

Also the left / bottom line runs out too short on the boot

Cheers
Mick

Top one is mine. Had it since 77 or so!

Memory plays odd tricks. I remember the boot coming out at the same time, bought it from John Manship so I was right to trust him I guess.

Bloody £700 odd for a boot defies belief.

This nob knows full well that the record is a boot.  I might put a bid of £5000 on it just to make sure that the crook does not sell it to some poor unsuspecting bugger who has more money than sense. Thanks to a few others on Souls Source and Pete Smiths network we did the same a few months ago to some idiot who was trying to pass off a Timi Yuro with a crappy home made label, if I remember correct the bidding went up to about £20,000 he must have been creaming himself until the twat realised that he was being spoofed

I've told them that now they know it's a boot leg by not saying it is they are committing fraud, I tried to report it to ebay, but their system is weird and doesn't allow you to report as fraudulent.

There's a Boot on Discogs £20, if anyone is interested, + that's why the one on EBay is a boot, if you were selling an original Demo, you wouldn't be selling at a start price of £4.99, and also if you were being genuine about it, you could have had the record checked out if you weren't really sure, obviously the guy who's selling knows exactly what he's doing, and should be ashamed of his self. Wanker.

Edited December 5, 20168 yr by joesoul1958
Missed out something

There's a plain red Festival label as well isn't there.? Or did I dream it?

1 hour ago, KevH said:

There's a plain red Festival label as well isn't there.? Or did I dream it?

Found this piccy but don't really know what I'm doing lol  !! if it works

Bloody hell it worked !! off popsike from 2013 I think , went for £273

Edited December 5, 20168 yr by SWIFTY

Just now, SWIFTY said:

Found this piccy but don't really know what I'm doing lol  !! if it works

You just painted that! Been on the pop again?

Pete

 

An original of this label is worth nowhere near that price!

Just to let everyone know that I have been in contact with the lady who was selling this record and after taking advice from Ebay and has withdrawn it. She assures me the story about finding these in the loft is true and as she has withdrawn the record I have no reason to not believe her. I only wish that more sellers on Ebay were as honest as Claire has been. Thank you

Another one has just appeared on Ebay-only £490 lol

Bummer, looks like my copy of this is the one with the big runout, still it is a forty odd year old record so not too gutted...

When you say boot in this case are we talking a reissue? Or even one of that esteemed legend of the scene Simon Soussans' actual illegal bootlegs?

24 minutes ago, kempy said:

Another one has just appeared on Ebay-only £490 lol

Have sent them a very polite message ... 

Going to struggle in a battle with the other one listed at $1.26 ... 

5 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

When you say boot in this case are we talking a reissue? 

Nah , just a plain old-fashioned 70's counterfeit bootleg ... 

the white one is a boot i bought one last month for 20 quid looks like i got bargain cheers mark

On 05/12/2016 at 15:51, SWIFTY said:

Found this piccy but don't really know what I'm doing lol  !! if it works

I

Bloody hell it worked !! off popsike from 2013 I think , went for £273

The red one is styrene I got rid for a multi coloured one. The red is the rarest format thou 

On 05/12/2016 at 18:08, Okehdownsouth said:

Just to let everyone know that I have been in contact with the lady who was selling this record and after taking advice from Ebay and has withdrawn it. She assures me the story about finding these in the loft is true and as she has withdrawn the record I have no reason to not believe her. I only wish that more sellers on Ebay were as honest as Claire has been. Thank you

The listing ran and finished and sold for £720

31 minutes ago, The Zodiac Club said:

The listing ran and finished and sold for £720

It was bid up to £720.00 as a protest exercise , that will not be paid ... 

Not had a reply from the second vendor yet , no bids over the start of £490.00 so far so seems the message reached potential buyers at least ... 

51 minutes ago, WoodButcher said:

It was bid up to £720.00 as a protest exercise , that will not be paid ... 

Ha! Nice one 

The one I highlighted earlier, has just sold for the asking price - £490  

Bidder was the "underbidder" on the one that got spoof-bid up to £720 , pretty sure this one won't get paid for either ...