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On 4/20/2018 at 23:20, Joey said:

i never seem to hear this anywhere anymore. Maybe because it's not rare or expensive? Pure, unadulterated Northern tune. Ticks every single box. Used to make the floor explode when played at the Casino in 74, and still one of my favourites to this day. On a par with Bunny Sigler "Follow your heart" as a 100% pure example of what a real Northern tune should sound like. 

Always loved this record.  For some reason it reminded of "This Man In Love" - The New Wanderers"....

 

 

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This is the 1st half of my set which consists of lots of "Not heard it for ages" not in any order, at the last couple of Accrington Soul Club nights.  There are loads of forgotten, un-played oldies out there and this lot fills the floor. A breath of fresh air from the usual "Top 500" that get churned out with not much effort or thought at most soul nights. I try to play half an hour or so in a set of these actually fresh oldies, a good few have actually never been heard by some folks.

Next one is the 29th April:D

Little Johnny Blair - Momma`s Gone

E.Rodney Jones - R&B Time

Adventurers - Easy Baby

Sons of Moses - Soul Symphony

Johnny Taylor - I ain`t Particular

The Volcanos - Help Wanted

Tony & Tyrone - Please Operator

Mel Williams - Can it be Me

Milton Wright - The Gallop

Jerry Cook - I hurt on the Other side

Rocky Roberts - Just Because of You

Roy Redmond - Ain`t that Terrible

Earl Wright - Thumb a Ride

Saxie Russell - Psychedelic Soul

Alice Clark - You Hit Me

The Du-Ettes - Every Beat of my Heart

Timmy Willis - Mr Soul Satisfaction

Dee Dee Warwick - Don`t You Ever Give up on Me

Joe Armstead - I Feel an Urge Coming On

Mike and Ike - Sax on the Track

Lee Andrews - I`ve Had It

Richie Adams - I Can`t Escape From You

Terrible Tom - We Were Made for Each other

Perigents - Love on a Rampage

Levi Jackson - This Beautiful Day

Watts 103rd Street Rhythm Band - Brown Sugar

James Bounty - Prove Yourself a Lady

Joe Hicks - Don`t it Make You Feel Funky

Wally Cox - This Man

Richard Popcorn Wylie - Rosemary What Happened

Bobby Wells - Be`s That Way Sometimes 

Shawn Robinson - My Dear Heart

Emanuel Laskey - I`m a Peace Lovin` Man

Lots and lots more!:thumbsup:

 

 

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Four which got played (amongst a multitude of other gems) at the fab  Plymouth Rarer Soul Alldayer on Sat . 

For some,  they were unknown. For others forgotten until hearing them again . Great dance floor reaction for all . 

Clarence Murray ‘baby you got it‘

Reatha Reese ‘only lies’ 

Frank Butler ‘the love I need’ 

Richard Knight ‘showstopper ‘ (same lyrics as Otis Redding ‘loving by the pound’ but not credited to Otis )

 

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On 20/04/2018 at 23:20, Joey said:

i never seem to hear this anywhere anymore. Maybe because it's not rare or expensive? Pure, unadulterated Northern tune. Ticks every single box. Used to make the floor explode when played at the Casino in 74, and still one of my favourites to this day. On a par with Bunny Sigler "Follow your heart" as a 100% pure example of what a real Northern tune should sound like. 

One Friday night my friends and I were on our way to a  Wigan Casino oldies nighter when we called into birch Services and while we were in nature called so I went into the gents toilets only to see Pete Balance  at a sink freshening up. Now Pete was a real character from Pontefract on the scene and I noticed he had a record resting on the sink.We said hello and Pete said the record he had with him was a cracking sound called This Man byWally Cox .I'd never heard it , anyway we were chatting away like you do and when he'd gone i noticed he'd left the record. I ran out to see if I could see Pete but no he was away . I looked for him in the Casino but never saw him. I still had his record and played it when I got home which I thought was brilliant. I was going to give Pete his record back the next time I saw him but sadly he passed away a while later,so this record is very dear to me as not only a superb record but the memory of that night at Birch services will always be with me. All the best Fred Ward. 

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On 13/04/2018 at 22:37, Zed1 said:

Ok, taking it on from the 'other' thread...

So you've got a spot at 'Local Soul' next week. What 'not so tired' Oldie would you play to introduce the locals to something other than the Top 50 that's a good Dancer?.

Mine. Not rare - just Quality!.....

 

Probably all depends on what you term as being "oldies". If you began on the scene at Stafford, anything prior to that would technically be an oldie. If at the Torch, then the tunes played prior to then. All relative really. Back in 75, I would have classed anything played prior to the Casino opening as an oldie. Still do. To me, I never knew, Bari Track, and Pain in my heart are all newies!!!  The easiest thing would be to take a serious look at the Wheel thread of a few weeks ago. Enough underplayed and forgotten stuff on there to fill an entire night. 

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On 22/04/2018 at 23:10, Joey said:

Probably all depends on what you term as being "oldies". If you began on the scene at Stafford, anything prior to that would technically be an oldie. If at the Torch, then the tunes played prior to then. All relative really. Back in 75, I would have classed anything played prior to the Casino opening as an oldie. Still do. To me, I never knew, Bari Track, and Pain in my heart are all newies!!!  The easiest thing would be to take a serious look at the Wheel thread of a few weeks ago. Enough underplayed and forgotten stuff on there to fill an entire night. 

As with most things Northern Soul it's all very subjective. To me an Oldie is more about when the Track had it's time on the scene, and much less about when we had ours.

People have joined, left, re-joined and then left the scene again  down the Years, so one Man's overplayed record may well be another's killer new track.

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6 minutes ago, Zed1 said:

As with most things Northern Soul it's all very subjective. To me an Oldie is more about when the Track had it's time on the scene, and much less about when we had ours.

People have joined, left, re-joined and then left the scene again  down the Years, so one Man's overplayed record may well be another's killer new track.

As you say, its pretty much very subjective. For me, having left the scene in 75, anything discovered since then is completely new. As you can imagine, having returned in the mid nineties, there were a plethora of tunes, twenty or so years worth, that were completely new to my ears. Some of them I actually like, but if I'm completely honest, the vast majority do not begin to sound like traditional northern tunes to me, and leave me cold. There's that subjectivity again I suppose!

And, of course, it also revisits the argument about whether or not the Northern scene died in 75, and was replaced by something else, which was similar, but different. As with another thread currently running, I think that we probably have to get away from calling this a "northern" scene. It isnt, and hasn't been for decades. It is a rare soul scene, and as such, encompasses so many different types of soul music. This in turn has to have an effect on how we deem a record to be an oldie, doesnt it? As you also say, one mans overplayed oldie is another mans eye opener. Since returning, I've caught myself going "Wow" on hearing a tune for the first time, only to be informed that it was discovered quarter of a century ago, and is actually viewed as completely played out!

Returning to the basic premise of your original post, I will sit down during the course of the weekend, and have a good think about an answer. To me, and this is an argument I've had since the Casino opened its doors all those years ago, there are far too many so-called oldies that have been consigned to the dustbin of history, rarely, if ever, to feel the kiss of a needle and caress of a turntable again. Perhaps now is the time for DJs to actually think long and hard about their sets, and revitalise some of these forgotten tunes. The problem with that though, is that apart from one or two well known, and by now, elderly individuals, the vast majority of DJs weren't there at the time, and therefore haven't the memories or knowledge to put together such a spot. Those who do, seem to lack the imagination, and/or, prefer to play it safe. A crying shame really, as many of todays punters who never had the opportunity to visit those classic clubs of the early 70's are being denied the chance to listen to some of the stuff that made those clubs classics in the first place. Hearing them in a dark and dingy, sweaty club, played one after the other, is so different from hearing them at home from a compilation cd.

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44 minutes ago, Joey said:

As you say, its pretty much very subjective. For me, having left the scene in 75, anything discovered since then is completely new. As you can imagine, having returned in the mid nineties, there were a plethora of tunes, twenty or so years worth, that were completely new to my ears. Some of them I actually like, but if I'm completely honest, the vast majority do not begin to sound like traditional northern tunes to me, and leave me cold. There's that subjectivity again I suppose!

And, of course, it also revisits the argument about whether or not the Northern scene died in 75, and was replaced by something else, which was similar, but different. As with another thread currently running, I think that we probably have to get away from calling this a "northern" scene. It isnt, and hasn't been for decades. It is a rare soul scene, and as such, encompasses so many different types of soul music. This in turn has to have an effect on how we deem a record to be an oldie, doesnt it? As you also say, one mans overplayed oldie is another mans eye opener. Since returning, I've caught myself going "Wow" on hearing a tune for the first time, only to be informed that it was discovered quarter of a century ago, and is actually viewed as completely played out!

Returning to the basic premise of your original post, I will sit down during the course of the weekend, and have a good think about an answer. To me, and this is an argument I've had since the Casino opened its doors all those years ago, there are far too many so-called oldies that have been consigned to the dustbin of history, rarely, if ever, to feel the kiss of a needle and caress of a turntable again. Perhaps now is the time for DJs to actually think long and hard about their sets, and revitalise some of these forgotten tunes. The problem with that though, is that apart from one or two well known, and by now, elderly individuals, the vast majority of DJs weren't there at the time, and therefore haven't the memories or knowledge to put together such a spot. Those who do, seem to lack the imagination, and/or, prefer to play it safe. A crying shame really, as many of todays punters who never had the opportunity to visit those classic clubs of the early 70's are being denied the chance to listen to some of the stuff that made those clubs classics in the first place. Hearing them in a dark and dingy, sweaty club, played one after the other, is so different from hearing them at home from a compilation cd.

Excellent post. 😁

Said it before. I still think there is room on the scene for a Nite playing 'just' those forgotten tracks from the Wheel/Torch/Wigan/Stafford etc. These were not rare records, but tracks that filled floors in all these Venue's but are now sadly not even considered (or even known) by many of todays lazy Jukeboxes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 13/04/2018 at 22:37, Zed1 said:

Ok, taking it on from the 'other' thread...

So you've got a spot at 'Local Soul' next week. What 'not so tired' Oldie would you play to introduce the locals to something other than the Top 50 that's a good Dancer?.

Mine. Not rare - just Quality!.....

 

OK, without thinking too hard, here's a pretty decent spot for an oldies night. I've picked the tunes by club, beginning with the Wheel, and ending with the Casino circa '74. I'm not saying that these tunes were broken there, just that to me, they always remind me of the places. Nothing terribly esoteric or rare either, and I'm sure that they all get plays occasionally at various venues up and down the country. I just don't seem to hear them anymore though, especially played one after the other for an hour or so.

Twisted Wheel Manchester

Booker T - Time is tight

Willie Mitchell - Secret Home.

Mary Love - You turned my bitter into sweet.

Little Hank - Mr. Bang Bang Man

Bobby Wells - Lets coppa groove

Sam and Dave - Soul sister brown sugar

 

Up the Junction Crewe

Archie Bell and the Drells - Here I go again.

Robert Knight - Love on a mountain top.

 

The Mecca Blackpool

Robert Knight - Branded

Mylestones - Sexy Lady

Producers - Lady, Lady, Lady

 

Catacombs Wolverhampton

Lorenzo Manley - Swoop down on you

Four Tops - Teahouse in Chinatown

Walter Jackson - Where have all the flowers gone

 

Pendulum Manchester

Dave Love - Coalined baby (instrumental)

JJ Barnes - Sweet Sherry

J.Butler and B. Everett - Let it be me (Always last record of the night)

 

The Golden Torch, Stoke on Trent

Bob Wilson - Suzys Serenade

Inspirations - Touch me, hold me, kiss me.

Johnny Johnson - Honeybee

Philip Mitchell - Free for all

Major Lance - Investigate or Everybody loves a good time. (only ever seem to hear "You don't want me no more" now).

Carl Douglas - Serving a sentence of life

Donald Height - Talk of the Grapevine

Mongo Santamaria - Sherry

 

Wigan Casino 1974

Mike Post - Afternoon of the Rhino

Electric Indian - Land of 1000 dances (must be the instrumental, not the one with the mumbling etc.)

Detroit Land Apples - I need help

 

Finally, (and just massaging my own ego), The Magnet, Oldham

Gladys Knight - Ain't no sun since you've been gone

OJays - any one from Looky Looky, Deeper in Love, Lipstick Traces.

Stella Starr - Bring him back

Major Lance - Um, Um, Um, Um, Um, Um.

Ruby Wilson & the blue chips - Number one in my heart.

Bunny Sigler - Let the good times roll

 

You'll probably notice the number of instrumentals. It cannot be stressed enough just how much a part of the playlists were made up of instros. Especially that first year at the Casino. Many will pooh-pooh the inclusion of AOTR and the Electric Indian track, but all I can say to those people, is, "you had to be there". 

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2 hours ago, Joey said:

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What was, for me, a stunning post!

Absolutely great post Joey!

A lot of the sounds these days are not up to the standard of the big tunes played at the big niters, even in the 80s and 90s.

Often my lass and I will turn someone on to an oldie, and we're shocked when they don't know it, as we've said. It is simply because they haven't had the pleasure before, often they are knocked out by how good some of the oldies are, so much impact in some of them.

As you point out it's either inexperience on the DJs part or simply they don't have the records that are now so expensive to own on original and everyone demanding that events are original only.

Also a lot of the DJs are anxious not to be labelled as an oldies DJ, or to appear uncool and not progressive.

For my lass and I the sight of a packed floor really getting down to something like Bobby Garrett ICGA or Bits n Pieces KORA is an awesome sight to behold, some of it these days has nowhere near the same impact.

Again very good post, resonated with me for sure! 

 

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1 hour ago, NEILO said:

Well underplayed! :hatsoff2:

This is EXACTLY what I mean.... I'd completely forgotten about 'If He were Mine' given it's that long since I've heard it.

Being reminded about tracks like this is exactly what should happen more often on today's scene instead of being bored senseless by the same old, same old.

Thanks for posting. 😀

 

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