Just keepin a eye on Hayes Cotton,Black Wings Has My Angel.on Resist Label.On Pat Bradys Auction site its up to £1,400 and four days to go,will it go higher?

I love the record.

Kev

Just keepin a eye on Hayes Cotton,Black Wings Has My Angel.on Resist Label.On Pat Bradys Auction site its up to £1,400 and four days to go,will it go higher?

I love the record.

Kev

Seem to remember someone paying about a grand for one in Lowton around 1999/2000?

Flip is 'I'll be waiting" yes?

hi ,remember andy rix playing this ,at one of our local does ,about 15 years ago cleared the floor totaly, but what a great record . yours mr j.p.

Flip is 'I'll be waiting" yes?

Which was also the flip to the Claire Records release, which has the far superior (IMO) 'Love Plays Funny Games' on t'other side! Don't understand how this doesn't attract a price tag the same as the Resist 45? I've only seen three copies in the past 15 years!! Wheras I've seen four copies of 'Black Wings..' - two of which were acetates.

Comments welcomed...

Edited December 31, 200717 yr by FickleFingers

Which was also the flip to the Claire Records release, which has the far superior (IMO) 'Love Plays Funny Games' on t'other side! Don't understand how this doesn't attract a price tag the same as the Resist 45? I've only seen three copies in the past 15 years!! Wheras I've seen four copies of 'Black Wings..' - two of which were acetates.

Comments welcomed...

There was a handfull of copies of "Love plays funny games" that went through eBay in the last eighteen months... all mint all from the same seller.

There was a handfull of copies of "Love plays funny games" that went through eBay in the last eighteen months... all mint all from the same seller.

Don't suppose you got a link? would be interested to follow it up... Cheers, Fingers

Don't suppose you got a link? would be interested to follow it up... Cheers, Fingers

The auction page would have expired by now.

It was a UK seller from the South (possibly Brighton) who had sourced them in the US, old store stock and they sold for around the £300 mark.

He sold at least three through eBay, and had at least two more as I was offered one as an under-bidder (about the third down the list of bidders).

I declined as he was very vague about how many copies he had when asked, so I put two and two together and came up with a 50 count box.

He may have only had the 5, but i wasn't willing to risk a Dream Team situation.

The auction page would have expired by now.

It was a UK seller from the South (possibly Brighton) who had sourced them in the US, old store stock and they sold for around the £300 mark.

He sold at least three through eBay, and had at least two more as I was offered one as an under-bidder (about the third down the list of bidders).

I declined as he was very vague about how many copies he had when asked, so I put two and two together and came up with a 50 count box.

He may have only had the 5, but i wasn't willing to risk a Dream Team situation.

Thanx for that, makes perfect sense to me that you made the right decision! Personally feel that, even if only a 25 count for eg, price should really have been more around the 150 mark.

In the wider scheme of the collectors market place even a 50 count could soon be 'devoured' and the price tag be seen to settle to a more reflective amount... say around the 200/225 mark.

Always rated this 45 and felt it was never given the exposure deserved... maybe time to get it on the decks again

sorry for butting in' i recall about ten years ago rumours were that some one was in canada and recalls seeing about 30 in a deals shop all sign iv'e tryed to watch these filter through to no avail

A guy called Big66Soul put one up for sale on ebay @ 2k for a Buy It Now about a year ago.

Edited January 1, 200817 yr by Prophonics 2029

A guy called Big66Soul put one up for sale on ebay @ 2k for a Buy It Now about a year ago.

2k!! I need to meet this guy's drug dealer!!

2k!! I need to meet this guy's drug dealer!!

don't think he is

am i alone in thinking this is complete over-rated. it's not crap but....

don't think he is

am i alone in thinking this is complete over-rated. it's not crap but....

like you say Dave, not a crap record but not a great record either. The 70's version is crap though!

Edited January 3, 200817 yr by chalky

As I don't play Ebay anymore infact the last time I sold anything on there would have been March/April/May 2006? just to clear up a couple of points....lol Bigd66soul here...lol firstly it was a little longer than a year ago possibly closer to two or maybe even three years ago that I sold this, when I asked around the general opinion was that it was a rare record and two grand was the suggested asking price? I think I offered it 'set sale' at the two grand first asking price? then maybe £1500.00 however I actually ended up selling it for £1300.00 directly to a collector not a bad return on a record I paid £50.00 for around 1990/91 from Bradford based DJ/Collector Nigel Parker, swings and slides this record collecting lark, prices move, increase, decrease etc. hope this helps and good luck to whoever wins this one from Pat, two decent R'n'B sides but one I don't miss anymore as I moved away from that R'n'B hard edge sound a bit back and put the money into other tunes.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

There was a handfull of copies of "Love plays funny games" that went through eBay in the last eighteen months... all mint all from the same seller.

And Boogaloo radio snapped one (Hairline crack...still playes ok)

Not to mention the Sat Nav he run the van over at the same time

I think your right Mark ................its not that great!

Edited January 3, 200817 yr by mossy

I KNOW WHERE 2 OF THEM "LPFG! WENT! AND THERE WERE ONLY A HANDFUL imo!

It was not a "Clara" or a "Royal Esquires"

GARY SPENCER SPIN WAS IT NOT ? BLOODY GREAT 45............IMO

BRING BACK THE 80S

Edited January 3, 200817 yr by mossy

am i alone in thinking this is complete over-rated. it's not crap but....

No you're not. It is crap, it's Country Blues and should never, ever, ever have even been shown to a pair of decks, never mind played on them.

Some records you love with a passion, others you hate..............this is one I hate

No you're not. It is crap, it's Country Blues and should never, ever, ever have even been shown to a pair of decks, never mind played on them.

Some records you love with a passion, others you hate..............this is one I hate

I am with you on this , Dave ......

Everyone to their own taste : If a person likes the record - fine ; if they do not - fine : I do not ......

If I had come across the record prior to its' " exposure " , I would have given it a wide berth , simply assuming it to be a country record by the name of the artist , and the title , and would have disgarded it , as it was not a record of the sort I was looking for .....

Malc Burton

I KNOW WHERE 2 OF THEM "LPFG! WENT! AND THERE WERE ONLY A HANDFUL imo!

It was not a "Clara" or a "Royal Esquires"

GARY SPENCER SPIN WAS IT NOT ? BLOODY GREAT 45............IMO

BRING BACK THE 80S

Yes it was a Gary Spencer spin, I sold him it in the 80s after finding it in L.A.

We have recently sold both of the discussed Hayes Cotton titles.

"Black Wings" we got £1134 @ auction for 03/05

"Games" we sold for £400 in 04/07

Both 45s have a very individual style which I like..

No you're not. It is crap, it's Country Blues and should never, ever, ever have even been shown to a pair of decks, never mind played on them.

Some records you love with a passion, others you hate..............this is one I hate

Forgive my apparent stupidity but... are we talking about the Resist or Claire 45!?! I've got lost somewhere here, are the negative comments about 'Black Wings..' or 'Love Plays..'???????????????

Forgive my apparent stupidity but... are we talking about the Resist or Claire 45!?! I've got lost somewhere here, are the negative comments about 'Black Wings..' or 'Love Plays..'???????????????

Black Wings......I think

anyone got an MP3 of I'll be Waiting?

Black Wings......I think

Black Wings deffo

Any body know what price,Hayes Cotton made,last look it was £1460?

Kev

Yes it was a Gary Spencer spin, I sold him it in the 80s after finding it in L.A.

Surely also a big Keb record at Stafford..always reminds me of Loz Bennett - she used to love this.

Black Wings deffo

ditto

whatever any of us think about Black Wings it is great northern (I'm not fond of the record too much myself) and it does fill the floor every time it's played

anyone got an MP3 of I'll be Waiting?

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.p...i&img=12167

Any body know what price,Hayes Cotton made,last look it was £1460?

Kev

Anyone? Please.

Kev

whatever any of us think about Black Wings it is great northern (I'm not fond of the record too much myself) and it does fill the floor every time it's played

Thanks for that Chalky...couldn`t hold my breath anylonger A fab 45 IMO. Don`t play it out anylonger myself as I think it had its day and is now back to the "rest room" but how someone who intends to like BLACK music can say this ain`t a Soul / Black music 45 really strikes me. However you can`t argue about taste thats for sure.

so I put two and two together and came up with a 50 count box.

He may have only had the 5, but i wasn't willing to risk a Dream Team situation.

Fully understand as I was a victim of that dreamteam situation myself back in the days (thanks again by the way..) but even a 50 count box would have hardly made it a "dreamteam situation"...just think about how many Jackie Days we have seen since that West Coast find several years ago. Did it affect the price ? No.

Marc

Which was also the flip to the Claire Records release, which has the far superior (IMO) 'Love Plays Funny Games' on t'other side! Comments welcomed...

Both flipsides are different mixes. Having both 45s I must say I tend to like the Resist take a bit more.

Marc

I'm not a massive fan of Hayes Cotton - Black Wings but i did hear Micheal Robinson play a garage type version of this off an acetate which was awesome, I'm not a massive garage fan myself but this was quality, anyone else heard it?

I'm not a massive fan of Hayes Cotton - Black Wings but i did hear Micheal Robinson play a garage type version of this off an acetate which was awesome, I'm not a massive garage fan myself but this was quality, anyone else heard it?

Yes, as it was once for sale on here by a fellow soulsourcer (btw I am still waiting for that CD ). Its nice but in now way better than the original IMHO. But still one would think how they came to record it..

Yes, as it was once for sale on here by a fellow soulsourcer (btw I am still waiting for that CD ). Its nice but in now way better than the original IMHO. But still one would think how they came to record it..

Yes, I had the acetate and sold it some time ago.

Cheers,

Adam.

Edited January 5, 200817 yr by Guest

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Edited January 5, 200817 yr by chalky

Hayes Cotton sounds exactly like Barney Gumble off the Simpsons

Hayes Cotton sounds exactly like Barney Gumble off the Simpsons

The auction page would have expired by now.

It was a UK seller from the South (possibly Brighton) who had sourced them in the US, old store stock and they sold for around the £300 mark.

He sold at least three through eBay, and had at least two more as I was offered one as an under-bidder (about the third down the list of bidders).

I declined as he was very vague about how many copies he had when asked, so I put two and two together and came up with a 50 count box.

He may have only had the 5, but i wasn't willing to risk a Dream Team situation.

the guy you are talking about is a friend of mine and i saw the records he had for sale before they were listed. he didn't have any record in quantity, what he had of hayes he sold (2 or 3 copies, only remember seeing 2) that was it. most were single copies, and they were all unplayed stock. so don't panic if anyone thinks they bought one and another 50 are about to turn up, they're not.

cheers Paul

Edited January 5, 200817 yr by Sutty

Which was also the flip to the Claire Records release, which has the far superior (IMO) 'Love Plays Funny Games' on t'other side! Don't understand how this doesn't attract a price tag the same as the Resist 45? I've only seen three copies in the past 15 years!! Wheras I've seen four copies of 'Black Wings..' - two of which were acetates.

Comments welcomed...

Agreed-"Love Plays Funny Games" is superior IMO also! Not seen many of these but what I have seen were acetates. A guy called Jim Randle from the Manifesto Soul Club had one in his sales box for it seemed like an eternity. Dunno if he ever sold it though. Not seen him for a long time..

the guy you are talking about is a friend of mine and i saw the records he had for sale before they were listed. he didn't have any record in quantity, what he had of hayes he sold (2 or 3 copies, only remember seeing 2) that was it. most were single copies, and they were all unplayed stock. so don't panic if anyone thinks they bought one and another 50 are about to turn up, they're not.

cheers Paul

There were 3 copies only,. I had one, my mate Pete Griffin on here had one and we don't know who had the third. The guy actually selling them was alerted to the thread on here and actually came on confirming he'd bought a collection and there were 3 copies only and not a boxful. Perhaps one of the mods can dig out the said thread?

Personally I like both records!

Rich

There were 3 copies only,. I had one, my mate Pete Griffin on here had one and we don't know who had the third.

me! eventually anyway. My favourite is 'I'll be waiting' personally, but i heard a different mix of 'love plays...' on an acetate that I thought was a lot better than the Claire version.

i dont like the Resist 45 but Michael robinson played a different version of 'black wings' nye in London that was belting, but maybe a bit garage sounding for soul tastes.

i dont like the Resist 45 but Michael robinson played a different version of 'black wings' nye in London that was belting, but maybe a bit garage sounding for soul tastes.

Hi Mik,

That's the acetate that I offered for sale on here some time ago, evryone that hears it says it's great but there wasn't a lot of interest when I was flogging it!

Adam.

Hi Mik,

That's the acetate that I offered for sale on here some time ago, evryone that hears it says it's great but there wasn't a lot of interest when I was flogging it!

Adam.

well if it's the one i heard i wouldn't have been interested because although the 'love plays..' version is better, the 'i'll be waiting' side had no drums on it, or they were very very low in the mix. but if you prefer the 'love plays' side it was better imo.

well if it's the one i heard i wouldn't have been interested because although the 'love plays..' version is better, the 'i'll be waiting' side had no drums on it, or they were very very low in the mix. but if you prefer the 'love plays' side it was better imo.

Talking about 'Black Wings'?? from memory flip was 'When I was a Little Boy'.