Hi all,

Ive heard this version by Towanda Barnes. Was it ever released as a 45 and if so on what label and what is its value if available.

kind regards - A

Hi all,

Ive heard this version by Towanda Barnes. Was it ever released as a 45 and if so on what label and what is its value if available.

kind regards - A

HIya,

It's on the Jomar label, costs about the £15 mark, seen a few come up on the sales section of late

HIya,

It's on the Jomar label, costs about the £15 mark, seen a few come up on the sales section of late

and it's a bootleg of an LP only track

HIya,

It's on the Jomar label, costs about the £15 mark, seen a few come up on the sales section of late

Thats a big help. Thanks for that, i'll hunt one down!

regards-A

and it's a bootleg of an LP only track

Didn't know that Pete, although it probably explains the shit recording quality

Thats a big help. Thanks for that, i'll hunt one down!

regards-A

Be warned the sound quality of the bootleg 45 is disgraceful.

Be warned the sound quality of the bootleg 45 is disgraceful.

its off the ohio players 16 greatest hits on trip, pretty rare but if you find one should be about £50ish

its off the ohio players 16 greatest hits on trip, pretty rare but if you find one should be about £50ish

Yep, Paul Thrower played it on the Original Mastercuts show a couple of weeks back from the Trip album......

1^st Hour

Joi Cardwell - Let It Go

Sybil - Don't Give Up

4-Love - Hold Your Head Up High

Shabbaz - Will You Be There

David Ruffin - Hurt The One You Love

Eastside Connection - You're So Right For Me

Moment Of Truth - So Much For Love

Moment Of Truth - You Got Me Humming

Julius Brown - Never Too Late

Glenn Jones - You're The Only One I Love

The Stylistics - Searchin'

2^nd Hour

Ohio Players feat Towanda Barnes - Love Slipped Through My Fingers

The High Keys - Living A Lie

The Modern Redcaps - Never Tool Young (To Fall In Love)

Chuck Jackson - Hand It Over

Paul Smith - I'll Run

Third Time Around - Soon Everything Is Gonna Be Alright

The Boogie Man Orchestra - Lady Lady Lady

Archie Bell & The Drells - I Could Dance All Night (UK Promo Mix)

Teddy Pendergrass - You & Me Right Now

Three Degrees - Find My Way

Gladys Knight & The Pips - You're No.1 In My Book

Chuck Jackson - Walk Away From Love

Bo Jones - Been Around The World

The Dramatics - Key To The World

Maxine Weldon - I Want Sunday Back Again

Download direct - https://www.sixmillionsteps.com/6MS-2008-07-13-Starpoint.mp3

Ian D

its off the ohio players 16 greatest hits on trip

is it the same Trip label that put out all those Doo-Wop boot / reissue 45s?

Hi all,

Ive heard this version by Towanda Barnes. Was it ever released as a 45 and if so on what label and what is its value if available.

kind regards - A

am i the only one who thinks its a bloody awful version as well IMO

i love it! much prefer it to the Sam Williams. maybe it's the bongos...

I actually think this version is excellent as Towanda has an excellent voice

But what a dire recording to vinyl, what a let down

I actually think this version is excellent as Towanda has an excellent voice

But what a dire recording to vinyl, what a let down

think thats what spoils it for me but it will never ever be as good as sam williams one of the best NS records of all time

am i the only one who thinks its a bloody awful version as well IMO

i think its a great version, certainly no sam williams but still a good version

think thats what spoils it for me but it will never ever be as good as sam williams one of the best NS records of all time

Yep have to agree. Sam Williams is the version. Stunning record of the highest order.

I actually think this version is excellent as Towanda has an excellent voice

But what a dire recording to vinyl, what a let down

The quality of the album doesn't help at all. They've got so many tracks squeezed on there there's hardly any width the album track and it sounds like it's been badly mastered as well.

Somewhere in all that noise there's a great track!

Ian D

Brilliant record & always reminds me of Yate...........blinding !!!!

Russ

Yep, Paul Thrower played it on the Original Mastercuts show a couple of weeks back from the Trip album......

1^st Hour

Joi Cardwell - Let It Go

Sybil - Don't Give Up

4-Love - Hold Your Head Up High

Shabbaz - Will You Be There

David Ruffin - Hurt The One You Love

Eastside Connection - You're So Right For Me

Moment Of Truth - So Much For Love

Moment Of Truth - You Got Me Humming

Julius Brown - Never Too Late

Glenn Jones - You're The Only One I Love

The Stylistics - Searchin'

2^nd Hour

Ohio Players feat Towanda Barnes - Love Slipped Through My Fingers

The High Keys - Living A Lie

The Modern Redcaps - Never Tool Young (To Fall In Love)

Chuck Jackson - Hand It Over

Paul Smith - I'll Run

Third Time Around - Soon Everything Is Gonna Be Alright

The Boogie Man Orchestra - Lady Lady Lady

Archie Bell & The Drells - I Could Dance All Night (UK Promo Mix)

Teddy Pendergrass - You & Me Right Now

Three Degrees - Find My Way

Gladys Knight & The Pips - You're No.1 In My Book

Chuck Jackson - Walk Away From Love

Bo Jones - Been Around The World

The Dramatics - Key To The World

Maxine Weldon - I Want Sunday Back Again

Download direct - https://www.sixmillionsteps.com/6MS-2008-07-13-Starpoint.mp3

Ian D

Ian... so what's the relationship between Towanda Barnes/Sam Williams/Ohio Players given that Towanda sang on the OP version of love slipped, OP also did the version of You don't mean it (on compass wan't it?) and Towanda - You don't mean it/Sam Williams - Love slipped, were put back to back on the grapevine release of the late 70s? Thanks.

Jorge Lewis

Ian... so what's the relationship between Towanda Barnes/Sam Williams/Ohio Players given that Towanda sang on the OP version of love slipped, OP also did the version of You don't mean it (on compass wan't it?) and Towanda - You don't mean it/Sam Williams - Love slipped, were put back to back on the grapevine release of the late 70s? Thanks.

Jorge Lewis

The reason the appear on the 70's Grapevine was because they were BOTH MASSIVE Casino spins. You have to remember you youngsters on here that the demand for tracks was massive at this time, the general public were buying them because they were getting played in non-soul clubs, youth clubs as well as in every soul club up and down the UK.

Some tracks sold more than top 30 pop hits, but were deemed regional so were actually pulled out of the top 30, yet football club songs were allow, another story that.

am i the only one who thinks its a bloody awful version as well IMO

ted .....it's a lovely version imo

am i the only one who thinks its a bloody awful version as well IMO

No, i'm with you Ted. When i've heard it, i think either buy a Sam Williams or don't bother.

Its not a bad version but pales into insignificance when compared to Sam.

am i the only one who thinks its a bloody awful version as well IMO

Ian... so what's the relationship between Towanda Barnes/Sam Williams/Ohio Players given that Towanda sang on the OP version of love slipped, OP also did the version of You don't mean it (on compass wan't it?) and Towanda - You don't mean it/Sam Williams - Love slipped, were put back to back on the grapevine release of the late 70s? Thanks.

Jorge Lewis

All part of the same production crew I reckon. Towanda Barnes was obviously integrated with the Ohio Players but I'm a little shaky on Sam Williams which 'broke' after I'd left the scene for the U.S.

It has to be said that when I heard Sam Williams for the first time I loved it! I just wasn't around at that particular point plus I never found a copy. But what a record..........

Ian D

am i the only one who thinks its a bloody awful version as well IMO

Don't you dare slag off Towanda Barnes' version...........it's onehelluvatoon, and whilst it's always bound to be compared to Sam Williams, and come off 2nd, it's a very close 2nd in my book. Just an awesome production that's perfected with TB's killer vocal style.

I can listen to this awful stuff all day long........must have poor taste compared to some

Edited August 2, 200817 yr by Wrongcrowd

I'm confused, Towanda Barnes & Ohio Players are one and the same version????

if thats true then up all night vol.2 has a 'cleanish' version on it

am i the only one who thinks its a bloody awful version as well IMO

you certainly are not ted, sam williams does it for me by a mile

As said came out on Jomar, booted from the LP only release, same version, sold one of these a few months ago, got about $10 for it, didn't get a lot of interest, they come up every now & again, a while a go an US dealer must have had a few as they appeared fairly frequently, imo Sam Williams version is a tad better but like both...here's a scan of the label.

KTF

Baz

All part of the same production crew I reckon. Towanda Barnes was obviously integrated with the Ohio Players but I'm a little shaky on Sam Williams which 'broke' after I'd left the scene for the U.S.

It has to be said that when I heard Sam Williams for the first time I loved it! I just wasn't around at that particular point plus I never found a copy. But what a record..........

Ian D

The connection is Johnny Brantley. The full story of Johnny's immense contribution to our music can be found in Issue #5 of There's That Beat!. Back issues still available of this particular issue at ww.theresthatbeat.com Only a few left though.

The connection is Johnny Brantley. The full story of Johnny's immense contribution to our music can be found in Issue #5 of There's That Beat!. Back issues still available of this particular issue at ww.theresthatbeat.com Only a few left though.

An informed but well disguised plug...needs doing...anyone remotely interested in this music ought to subscribe...its how i got so involved and informed via HBS, Shout, Blues & Soul etc

DFxx

The connection is Johnny Brantley. The full story of Johnny's immense contribution to our music can be found in Issue #5 of There's That Beat!. Back issues still available of this particular issue at ww.theresthatbeat.com Only a few left though.

Cheers Dave. There's very little that doesn't come to light via the contributors to this forum! And the mag's a great read!

Except of course the identity of Joy Lovejoy and the lead singer of the MVP's LOL.....

Ian D

Where does the Herman Hitson version come in then? Was it on a kent lp?

Gene

Where does the Herman Hitson version come in then? Was it on a kent lp?

Gene

HERMAN HITSON CD there are a number of unissued tracks on it, I can't remember who put it out, could be Japanese release.

The reason the appear on the 70's Grapevine was because they were BOTH MASSIVE Casino spins. You have to remember you youngsters on here that the demand for tracks was massive at this time, the general public were buying them because they were getting played in non-soul clubs, youth clubs as well as in every soul club up and down the UK.

Some tracks sold more than top 30 pop hits, but were deemed regional so were actually pulled out of the top 30, yet football club songs were allow, another story that.

Thanks for the reply and for the youngster reference! Yes I understand the demand at the time driving releases like Grapevine etc as I was one of those buying the stuff in the late 70s (before I could afford "real" records). My question was more about the connection (if any) between the two sides.

Jorge

HERMAN HITSON CD there are a number of unissued tracks on it, I can't remember who put it out, could be Japanese release.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Are-Much-Human...0784&sr=8-1

great cd

Also worth bearing in mind that the version spun by Richard Searling at the Casino in the late 70s was an Atlantic studio disc featuring Nate Adams covered-up as Hermon Hitson (Hitson's actual version remained unheard until the CD release in about 2005-6). To my ears Adams' version is (narrowly) the best: slightly looser than Sam Williams and more gutsy than The Ohio Players.

There are a few threads on here about the various versions: the most intriguing one being where Andy Rix recounts meeting the song's writers, Lewis, Farmer & Lewis. They can clearly recall every version of LSTMF with the exception of Sam Williams, who they claim never to have heard of. Interestingly the vocalist on Sam Williams' other Capitol subsidiary recordings sounds, to my ears, nothing like the singer on the Tower 45.

anyone got a soundfile of the Nate Adams handy?

Link to Nate Adams in refosoul:

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/rare-northern...ough-my-fingers

I love this version to bits, had this on a tape via Pete Smith for years...........just brilliant & what a tortoured vocal............does RS still have the acetate ??????.

Cheers for the info everyone,

Russ

Don't you dare slag off Towanda Barnes' version...........it's onehelluvatoon, and whilst it's always bound to be compared to Sam Williams, and come off 2nd, it's a very close 2nd in my book. Just an awesome production that's perfected with TB's killer vocal style.

I can listen to this awful stuff all day long........must have poor taste compared to some

see cliff, we actually agree about quite a lot of musical matters lol. the only reason sam williams is rated higher than this.....is the oldie/wigan thing.........towanda ain't better,but equally as good tezza. Hey you never know the northants crowd might just discover it and play it as a cover up lol.

see cliff, we actually agree about quite a lot of musical matters lol. the only reason sam williams is rated higher than this.....is the oldie/wigan thing.........towanda ain't better,but equally as good tezza. Hey you never know the northants crowd might just discover it and play it as a cover up lol.

Hey Terry..............Im worried about you, you appear to have found diplomacy .............steady on mate !!!!

Russ

All part of the same production crew I reckon.

It's all down to Johnny Brantley. John Anderson said that he got numerous versions of Love Slipped - five or six - from Brantley but the rest have disappeared. Of course, he gave Richard "Herman Hitson"'s version to play at the Casino (I've posted it up on here before)

p.s. this will teach me not to read the whole thread before replying

Edited August 5, 200817 yr by Pete S

Also worth bearing in mind that the version spun by Richard Searling at the Casino in the late 70s was an Atlantic studio disc featuring Nate Adams covered-up as Hermon Hitson (Hitson's actual version remained unheard until the CD release in about 2005-6). To my ears Adams' version is (narrowly) the best: slightly looser than Sam Williams and more gutsy than The Ohio Players.

There are a few threads on here about the various versions: the most intriguing one being where Andy Rix recounts meeting the song's writers, Lewis, Farmer & Lewis. They can clearly recall every version of LSTMF with the exception of Sam Williams, who they claim never to have heard of. Interestingly the vocalist on Sam Williams' other Capitol subsidiary recordings sounds, to my ears, nothing like the singer on the Tower 45.

I have an acetate well dubplate with a version on but just says H H on the label, will have to check if this is same as the CD version done by H H or the Nate Adams !!!

Also have a WDJ of Sam Williams & the double LP by The Ohio players, all good versions imho.

Ian.

Best version for me.

Only asking this because ive never seen one, but is there ISSUES of SAM WILLIAMS

All part of the same production crew I reckon. Towanda Barnes was obviously integrated with the Ohio Players but I'm a little shaky on Sam Williams which 'broke' after I'd left the scene for the U.S.

It has to be said that when I heard Sam Williams for the first time I loved it! I just wasn't around at that particular point plus I never found a copy. But what a record..........

Ian D

You want to know about Sam Williams -Col Dilnot's your man As far as Towanda Barnes v Sam Williams How can you compare them? 2 "different" records both great in their own right You play different records for different moods and occasions for me these two strike differently (does that make sense)

You want to know about Sam Williams -Col Dilnot's your man As far as Towanda Barnes v Sam Williams How can you compare them? 2 "different" records both great in their own right You play different records for different moods and occasions for me these two strike differently (does that make sense)

the herman hitson version i got was via an mp3 - the nate adams version posted here sounds exactly like the HH version I have. maybe there is an mp3 circulating with the cover up name? the recording on the mp3 is recorded too loud, distorting some of the vocals.

gene