There's no point in answering people's comments on the thread about "Souled Out", as they risk being deleted, and I have no wish to type out comments that will be removed.

Mike asked those going off-topic to start a new thread, and so I have.

I will try to be at least more civil than I am on A.N.S., but I refuse to be castrated.

I will not post on the "Souled Out" thread unless it is to specifically comment on items relevant to the film, and my abject horror at the Soul Police dissing it before it's even been made.

I have opened this thread specifically to answer comments and fight back. I realise that if someone puts a nasty comment on one of my videos on YouTube I can be as rude as I like back to them and delete their comments, and block them from having any further access to my videos at all.

I have no such luxury here.

As I said, I shall try to be civil, certainly to most, but find it very hard to be civil to those few for whom I have ZERO respect.

Let the curtain go up.....

I feel a bit bad now

And you're a fellow Doctor Who fan too.

And you're a fellow Doctor Who fan too.

True Ian, if i remember rightly i finished your collection by swapping you my E Space Trilogy!

Only like it up to & including the Tom Baker series though!

Simon Who?

True Ian, if i remember rightly i finished your collection by swapping you my E Space Trilogy!

Only like it up to & including the Tom Baker series though!

Simon Who?

No no no no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You're NOT going to tell me that you ignore the new stuff compared to the old, in the same way as you ignore my new recordings compared to original 1960s vinyl, no no no, no surely not ????

No no no no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You're NOT going to tell me that you ignore the new stuff compared to the old, in the same way as you ignore my new recordings compared to original 1960s vinyl, no no no, no surely not ????

'Fraid so Ian, there's obviously some trait in my character that doesn't like Modern stuff.

Simon

It was documented on here some time ago that the writers/producers at Fee made "Sad girl" purposely to appeal to the Northern market after they had demand for a re-press of Flaming Emeralds. That makes it a tailor-made in my book, altho' I agree it is a wonderful record however it came into being!

Wow

Did only one record get made by these guys in response to the FE?

How many copies of sad girl got produced?

Ed

Wow

Did only one record get made by these guys in response to the FE?

How many copies of sad girl got produced?

Ed

According to Steve G the above Carol Anderson info is wrong.Altho, FE was '77 and CA '79 so it could have been released to appeal to NS fans.Probably more sold here than in the US! However, I think copies are/were plentiful, back in the day, and I recon the ammount was in the 1,000's. Certainly not hard to come by back then, but as copies have been absorbed into collections, not so easy now, but if you wanted one I dare say a 'want' on here would find one in less than a week!

Edited August 23, 200816 yr by Trevski

A present for the weekend, something everyone loves.

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Not true.

I was an early member on the original Soul Source but got banned in December 2000. It was all over a derisory comment about Billy Ocean as I remember.

I founded A.N.S. on January 2nd 2001, and it's still going and thriving to this day. Small and compact but thriving and a hive of interesting postings.

Hey Ian, where can ANS be found these days?

Hey Ian, where can ANS be found these days?

https://lists.topica.com/lists/advancednorthernsoul/

According to Steve G the above Carol Anderson info is wrong.Altho, FE was '77 and CA '79 so it could have been released to appeal to NS fans.Probably more sold here than in the US! However, I think copies are/were plentiful, back in the day, and I recon the ammount was in the 1,000's. Certainly not hard to come by back then, but as copies have been absorbed into collections, not so easy now, but if you wanted one I dare say a 'want' on here would find one in less than a week!

Isn't there some other releases of Fee, I cant see this being a tailor made track only for the NS just a record picked up by err who played it first Richard or Pat??

Not bad for disco

So, my little cherry pie....

Is THIS too "disco" for you ????

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'Fraid so Ian, there's obviously some trait in my character that doesn't like Modern stuff.

Simon

If you're anything like me it's because you're of an age where any music with computer involvment immediately brings up visions of Space Invaders or Stock, Aitkin, & Waterpump.

Me, I suffer from both afflictions. Sometimes it's hard to tell the music from the tinnitus. It's hell between my ears...

Well well what a thread but really its all look whos back publicity in my opinion , fair dues back in the day ect you done your bit, but trying to drum up intrest in that shite, there was a time you may of got away with it i even read a favourble review for it in scootering so your not doing too badly, im now going to bed to fix my broken ears fucking truely shocking

Edited August 24, 200816 yr by rasfoz

So, my little cherry pie....

Is THIS too "disco" for you ????

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Edited August 24, 200816 yr by wiganer1

Well well what a thread but really its all look whos back publicity in my opinion , fair dues back in the day ect you done your bit, but trying to drum up intrest in that shite, there was a time you may of got away with it i even read a favourble review for it in scootering so your not doing too badly, im now going to bed to fix my broken ears fucking truely shocking

Haha, interesting post

Since there is a propensity to post vids on this thread, I offer this:

(It's not soul, I know, yet it seems somehow apt.)

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Edited August 24, 200816 yr by Dave

It's the camaraderie and sense of brotherly love on this thread that has kept me up until 4 40 in the morning.

Sorry, but this chap has slagged this website and it's members, quite unreasonably, I mean really quite wrong

I don't really understand that statement - it's an open forum, where views are laid down, no wrongs really.

And as for the 'self promotion' line....like it would make any odds on here.

Ian, I think you are a belting bloke - fancy a pint?

Many on here have had some nasty run ins on line, but I think (almost) all respect each other out in the clubs? I think there is an amazing companionship amongst those who travel, make sacrifices, put themselves out to be a part of something special. Even if opinions differ, sometimes dramatically. From my personal experience I know I've had some pretty cutting critics of what I do, young Chrissie for example, but do I respect them any less, or offer to introduce them to my very big and very hard friends? No, of course not. That's just silly, like really, just daft. It would belittle and ignore what makes this "thing" we're into so unique, exciting to be a part of, an amazing vessel for celebrating this music, and quite plainly just pretty fucking cool.

Personally speaking, I probably respect folk more for speaking their mind honestly, after all, DJs are up there putting their neck on the chopping block by their own choice, they should expect critisism as well as praise from folk who make sacrifices to be at parties and support.

I clearly said my comments are directly and only relating to the whole 'never mind what i'm saying or why i'm here, look at my hits, 3 million and counting, what an achievment...' carry on. I'm pointing out the car crash and the rubber necking. Mr Levine should stop talking about himself, in my opinion, and contribute to the site as a whole, and not just on this thread, as he surely has plenty to offer. But he has said this is the only place he will post, on his own thread. Me, me, me, me and my mate me. That's the only thing that has got my back up, his attitude towards this great site and the way he is using it. If we all only posted on our own threads this site would be dead.

But that's besides the point, really, because when all is said and done, he's called it on and it's clearly a stunt to get everyone to watch his videos and 'achieve' 4 million hits on them or to sell a few more CDs and DVDs. I think that's obvious.

Oh, by the way, do folk realise that every time a page on here is refreshed or openned it generates a hit on every youtube video on this page, several times on one video if it has been quoted a few times, even without a click through. Worth thinking about when Mr Levine starts boasting about 4 million hits, as every hit on this page could easily give 15-20 total hits towards 'Levine click throughs'. 10k of hits here, that's getting on for a quarter of a million Levine bonus points, without a single person clicking on a video. Scary If I'm right and this is his plan he'll be posting new videos at the start of every new page and this is the real reason he is not posting on any other thread...

Or am I being too sceptical?

Edited August 24, 200816 yr by James Trouble

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Edited August 24, 200816 yr by Dave

So, my little cherry pie....

Is THIS too "disco" for you ????

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There are more than enough enemies to do that, and talking of that, how long can it be before your dear old friend and my nemesis Stuart Tyler comes along to wind me up ???

No, I'm not doing that anymore Ian, it'd be a bit tired and pointless, we know where we stand

As I put on here a while back, it got a bit dull when you were gone, I'll read on with interest but am not going to wind you up.

Not just now anyway.

I feel a bit bad now, i don't like to come across as slagging off anyone, it's really not what i'm about at all, i apologise if that's how it came across, i just read the threads & reply how i see them.

Mr Tyler's been a bit quiet on here of late, must be all that Jersey air wearing him out!

Simon

Guernsey air. I'm moving to France for the rest of the year. To enhance my French I shall only be posting on here in French in future. I've been watching Allo Allo for months to get ready.

Au revoir.

Isn't there some other releases of Fee, I cant see this being a tailor made track only for the NS just a record picked up by err who played it first Richard or Pat??

First played by RS and the only other FEE release worth mentioning - Bill Merriweather.

Guernsey air. I'm moving to France for the rest of the year. To enhance my French I shall only be posting on here in French in future. I've been watching Allo Allo for months to get ready.

Au revoir.

Oops, sorry mate, i should know that especially as that record you sent me got stuck in their customs for about 3 weeks!

Btw what do you think of the new improved Levine Model 225, i think it's a big improvement on the previous 224, this model comes complete with a new improved humility device, still needs the disco & self promotion knobs adjusted slightly though.

Simon

Nice track, but not a floor filler I feel

QoFxx

What we have to consider in all this , is to forget that it has the title NS 2008 or whatever , and treat the recordings as what they should be - floorfillers or not - that they are good soulful dance tracks ..........

Malc Burton

Edited August 24, 200816 yr by Malc Burton

Well well what a thread but really its all look whos back publicity in my opinion , fair dues back in the day ect you done your bit, but trying to drum up intrest in that shite, there was a time you may of got away with it. i even read a favourble review for it in scootering so your not doing too badly, im now going to bed to fix my broken ears fucking truely shocking

Oh I'm so so so sorry your ears are broken. My heart bleeds for you. What a shocking injustice. Just terrible isn't it.

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this is super ian...so soulful.. is this one of yours??? if so it s REALLY good! in my opinion of course!

It's Ebony Alleyne, with a HUGE orchestra behind her paid for by Sony. £150,000 spent on recording her stuff, which is the only way to make a real record full of proper live instruments without it sounding cheap and closed and small like Sharon Jones. Or without Soul Source members complaining about it being computerised, which was hysterical with some songs, which DID have live orchestras becasue they were taken off previous versions.

But the Ebony album is the most expensive stuff I ever got to produce in my life.

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Haha, interesting post

Since there is a propensity to post vids on this thread, I offer this:

(It's not soul, I know, yet it seems somehow apt.)

Why are you posting rubbish like this on this thread ????

If you don't like the thread please just avoid it, instead of ruining it for the rest of us, thankyou.

It's the camaraderie and sense of brotherly love on this thread that has kept me up until 4 40 in the morning.

Lets all hold hands and sing a rousing chorus of "We Are The World".

Lets all hold hands and sing a rousing chorus of "We Are The World".

Bags I am Lionel Ritchie ........

Malc Burton

I don't really understand that statement - it's an open forum, where views are laid down, no wrongs really.

And as for the 'self promotion' line....like it would make any odds on here.

Ian, I think you are a belting bloke - fancy a pint?

Hi Barry. Nice to chat with you. I am on the whole quite enjoying this thread. I have purposely refrained from posting in other threads on Soul Source, because if I did, I might get involved in unnecessary arguments or complaints of self promotion.

Whereas if I limited myself to only discussing my productions on a thread that is specifically called "Ian Levine", that no-one but no-one could complain that I was doing so, because anyone coming into this specific dedicated thread would know exactly what they were coming into, before clicking on it.

Yet still I get weird people posting up horrible reggae/punk videos on it, just to annoy me.

I wish we could get some understanding.

Those people who are interested please come in here and chat with me and hear my music. Those people who aren't interested, and more specifically, those people who loathe my music, please avoid it.

You'd think it would be simple enough, surely....

I clearly said my comments are directly and only relating to the whole 'never mind what i'm saying or why i'm here, look at my hits, 3 million and counting, what an achievment...' carry on. I'm pointing out the car crash and the rubber necking. Mr Levine should stop talking about himself, in my opinion, and contribute to the site as a whole, and not just on this thread, as he surely has plenty to offer. But he has said this is the only place he will post, on his own thread. Me, me, me, me and my mate me.

Why the phuck are you still reading this thread ?????

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this is super ian...so soulful.. is this one of yours??? if so it s REALLY good! in my opinion of course!

Ian Would you send me the Accapella of this? So I can do another mix of it? Puts the Duffies & Mark Ronsons of the world to shame! You should ignore the Northern Crowd and get this out to a wider audiance. Love it.

Oh, by the way, do folk realise that every time a page on here is refreshed or openned it generates a hit on every youtube video on this page, several times on one video if it has been quoted a few times, even without a click through.

Bullsh!t.

Utter crock.

You can't go making up lies like this and get away with it.

Not only does YouTube not add a hit until a video is actually watched, but when a person watches a vid for a second time from the same ISP, it doesn't register.

You really are a law unto yourself, and a nasty piece of work to boot.

As I put on here a while back, it got a bit dull when you were gone, I'll read on with interest but am not going to wind you up.

Goodness gracious.

Maybe there's hope for the world after all

Why the phuck are you still reading this thread ?????

You responded to me, you said you wouldn't. You're too easy, man.

Hey, I found those kids in Chelmsford again, I gave em 4 quid and one of them put a stapple through his ear for each pound coin I gave him. He would have carried on going but it just felt so wrong, I couldn't give him any more. There was blood dripping from his ear and he was laughing away. It was gross, but so many people had gathered around to watch.

I'll see if I can find the clip of it, they recorded it and said they would post it today on youtube. I'm sure they'd enjoy a few thousand soul-source click throughs to encourage further self abuse...

Edited August 24, 200816 yr by James Trouble

Welcome back to Soul Source Ian. I think no matter what you did, no matter how good some would find reason to slag it off or put it down just because of who you are and your reputation. Me I don't care, if it's good it's good, if it's sh*te then move on. I didn't like the way SWONS was done origianlly but can't deny that it was a great effort and it gave the artists some recognition, I do though look forward to the re-edited DVDS.

We haven't always seen eye to eye and I've no axe to grind, hopefully your contribution to Soul Source can be a positive one and we can share in your undoubted knowledge and experience, after all thats what some of us are here for, to continue learning about this music of ours.

Bullsh!t.

Utter crock.

You can't go making up lies like this and get away with it.

Not only does YouTube not add a hit until a video is actually watched, but when a person watches a vid for a second time from the same ISP, it doesn't register.

You really are a law unto yourself, and a nasty piece of work to boot.

Nope, try it. Start a new thread, stick a video in it for an experiment. Click refresh on soul-source and watch the youtube hit count trip up...

Uh oh, that's no good Lies, damn lies and statistics.

I say again, Ian, I have no beef with you, how could I, what would it be over? I'm just really unsure about the value of 3 million hits on 380 videos on youtube. I don't think it means anything at all, nothing, zilch. CD sales, yes, full packed house gigs, yes. But hits on youtube? How many MP3s have you sold through itunes? And I'm really not sure about what you are doing here proudly proclaiming you will not contribute to this site, but you will post on your own, self titled thread. Why? What's your game? What's your angle, man?

Edited August 24, 200816 yr by James Trouble

Ian Would you send me the Accapella of this? So I can do another mix of it? Puts the Duffies & Mark Ronsons of the world to shame! You should ignore the Northern Crowd and get this out to a wider audiance. Love it.

The whole album came out on Expansion and became a bit of a cult record. This track was the biggest, and had sixty thousand views on YouTube.

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Ian Would you send me the Accapella of this? So I can do another mix of it? Puts the Duffies & Mark Ronsons of the world to shame! You should ignore the Northern Crowd and get this out to a wider audiance. Love it.

I guess maybe coming on Soul Source did me some good in opening my eyes a bit. I naively thought everyone knew the Ebony album. Sony even pressed up three seven inches on the Okeh label, before dropping the project without releasing the album, and it took five years before it came out on Expansion. It had so much soul radio play and so many glowing reviews that I just assumed everyone knew it. I never had a chance in my whole career to work with such a big orchestra. Sixty strings, thirty horns, 110 tracks of live instruments which all had to be mixed down. We couldn't do that in the old days. Even for a very expensive project with two machines hooked up together, you were still limited to 48 tracks, and two of those used the timecode.

Welcome back to Soul Source Ian. I think no matter what you did, no matter how good some would find reason to slag it off or put it down just because of who you are and your reputation. Me I don't care, if it's good it's good, if it's sh*te then move on. I didn't like the way SWONS was done origianlly but can't deny that it was a great effort and it gave the artists some recognition, I do though look forward to the re-edited DVDS.

We haven't always seen eye to eye and I've no axe to grind, hopefully your contribution to Soul Source can be a positive one and we can share in your undoubted knowledge and experience, after all thats what some of us are here for, to continue learning about this music of ours.

We haven't always seen eye to eye, which makes your comments quite impressive. Thankyou.

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Nice, like that Ian

I'm actually surprised that most of you never heard the Ebony stuff. Just goes to show. Here's another from it.

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Lets all cheer ourselves up with a nice song.

My single, one and only, first place, top of the whole entire list, premier place, personal favourite song that I have ever written in my entire thirty three year career, written along with the wonderful and immortal Sylvia Moy. And a truly lovely and wonderful singer who's been dead for many many years now, and who I still miss.

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HOW MANY DID IT ACTUALLY SELL???????????

Sadly only two thousand. Loads of people watched her vids on YouTube, loads of people played it all over the world (one radio station in New York has played the whole album every day for a year now), but the sales were low for such an expensive project. At the end of the day it all boils down to promotion. If I sell two thousand of "Northern Soul 2008", then I'm happy, as I never expected it to have huge sales figures and we keep our costs right down to a minimum.

If Sony hadn't originally paid so much money to record Ebony's album, it would never have happened in the same way, as these days, unless you're Amy Winehouse, no-one but no-one could afford to spend that kind of budget on a record. This is why all the smaller labels have now gone out of business and we only have four majors left. The music business is screwed.

Edited August 24, 200816 yr by Ian Levine

must admit, that's a classy track, danceable AND soulful. not disco but quality. well done!

Thankyou.

I so believed in the C.P. Spencer record that every new person who discovers it who hasn't previously heard it is a major bonus.

It's Ebony Alleyne, with a HUGE orchestra behind her paid for by Sony. £150,000 spent on recording her stuff, which is the only way to make a real record full of proper live instruments without it sounding cheap and closed and small like Sharon Jones. Or without Soul Source members complaining about it being computerised, which was hysterical with some songs, which DID have live orchestras becasue they were taken off previous versions.

But the Ebony album is the most expensive stuff I ever got to produce in my life.

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When it comes to politics and backstabbing then the Northern Soul scene beats even the Houses of Parliment.

I have supported Ian Levine during his Motorcity days (just listen to Joe Harris & Carolyn Crawford - Aint understanding mellow, what a version of the original). Ian and Colin Curtis along with Richard Searling were my top DJs back in the early days, however they have all played and even said things that I have not agreed with but I have never felt the need to verbally attack them .

Prehaps we ought to take it a bit further an throw rotten fruit & veg at DJs when they dont play a record or set we dont like.

Now I know Ian can wind people up without trying, but when it comes to putting tracks out he wants then its up to him, like them or not, you dont have to buy them, or play them and he certainly has no control over other people buying or playing them. Some of the tracks IL has been involved with have been very very good, others not my cup of tea, I have in the past told him that, but that is MY personal view.

When it comes to "tailor made" then again thats IL choice and even his ego might play a part,which is larger than average, but that is Ians personallity coming through.If that sound "floats his boat" then so be it. Take our soul scene,the records are very similar in tempo, but no one on here is saying Berry Gordy all the Detroit producers and all the other USA label owners/writers/producers were not "tailor making " their records! Of course they were, they were chasing the big hit, the big bucks, so lets not be precious about it. You talk to any artist/songwriter etc, their latest record is the best ever so their egos come into play, some of my favourite Soul artists from the 60s have egos I dont personally like and they have brought their halos crashing down when I have met them. Even Bobby Taylor made an LP abot tailor made soul , so its been rife since the year dot.

A personel attack on IL to me smacks of other underlying reasons which have nothing to do with Soul or even music. While it makes interesting debate it should be honest debate and not become personal.

I will say one thing IF Ian IS making his music aimed at the Northern scene then I am glad he is not using my money, because he certainly will not make a fortune, because OUR scene is small, a new record, beside getting shunned because its new, often does not sell in quantity, only to die a death becuase only a handful of copies get sold. 20 years later some DJ picks up a copy spins it, it hits the right spots and hey presto it starts to sell for £100+ and every Tom Dick and Harry wants a copy, and Bill & Ben and all the Flower pot men swear blind they have had it for years and bought it as a new release. Now what does that remind me of ?????

The Man In Black (aka Dave Halsall)