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After a bit of help from some knowledgable types please. Mr Floods Party released in the US on the GM label and in the UK on Ember. Then reissued/rereleased in the UK on Bulldog and Inferno, assume Bulldog came first as the Inferno label states 'Licensed from Bulldog records.'

I don't have the GM release but do have the 3 UK ones. I had a vague recollection that there was one release that was a different mix to the others so just played the 3 UK issues. Now to my damaged ears the Bulldog is obviously a different mix to the Ember, it's got a heavier chunkier sound to it. Now I actually prefer the Bulldog mix. So guess what I really want to know is:

Am I correct that the Bulldog is a different mix or have I finally gone deaf?
Is the Bulldog a legitimate reissue label? If it is and it is a diff mix could you play it out without being arrested?
Is the GM release the same as the Ember or Bulldog?

Thank you in advance....
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Wish I could tell you. My GM copy was badly off center and uncorrectable. So I got a Bulldog copy, which I think I still have. The mastering is so bad (quiet) on the Bulldog copy that it's pointless to try and play. After that I just gave up completely on this record.
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Wish I could tell you. My GM copy was badly off center and uncorrectable. So I got a Bulldog copy, which I think I still have. The mastering is so bad (quiet) on the Bulldog copy that it's pointless to try and play. After that I just gave up completely on this record.


Strange that the Bulldog copy you had was very quiet, the one I have is very loud! Going to post up sound file in a bit..

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Strange that the Bulldog copy you had was very quiet, the one I have is very loud! Going to post up sound file in a bit..


Yeh my Bulldog promo is nice and and clear,is that clear !! :)

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The three UK issues recorded on exactly the same settings, about 40secs of each for comparison purposes.

Mr Floods Party - Compared - Ember Bulldog Inferno
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; Soundfile to show differences in the mix on the 3 UK labels. Approx 40 secs from each label plays in this order: Ember, Bulldog, Inferno.



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Yeh my Bulldog promo is nice and and clear,is that clear !! :)


There you go

Mr Floods Party - compared to what - Bulldog UK promo - [r]59027[/r]

mr floods party - Compared To What - [r]30010[/r]

Ember totaly different,lots of shouts at the start and stuff,isn't the GM more jazzy and to me not as good.

I played mine at Rugby first time on there,so OVO for me :thumbsup:

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Ember totaly different,lots of shouts at the start and stuff,isn't the GM more jazzy and to me not as good.


Don't know on the GM one Ken, never had a copy so not got a soundfile of it. For my tastes the Bulldog one is much better, far more power and I expect it sounds stonking on a big system.

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Don't know on the GM one Ken, never had a copy so not got a soundfile of it. For my tastes the Bulldog one is much better, far more power and I expect it sounds stonking on a big system.


Someone posted it up once thats how i know,probberly not filled in the boxes propper,yeh it sounds pretty good on a big system big hall,it wasn't farting that night so it packed the floor. smile.png
Mr Floods Party - compared to what - Bulldog UK promo - [r]59027[/r]

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Someone posted it up once thats how i know,probberly not filled in the boxes propper,yeh it sounds pretty good on a big system big hall,it wasn't farting that night so it packed the floor. :thumbup:


Ken, you are a gent :)

Played the Ember one out last week and that sounded good (forgotten how good this was til Mr Abbott played it) but just reckon the Bulldog will sound even better :thumbsup:

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I thought the GM release was the original? I never heard the one with the shouting played until recently, and don't like that at all. Is that the U.S. Ember release?

Anyway, heard it too much in the 70's to want to play it now personally. Posted Image Posted Image

p.s. I seem to recall the GM 45 being very quiet.

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I thought the GM release was the original? I never heard the one with the shouting played until recently, and don't like that at all. Is that the U.S. Ember release?

Anyway, heard it too much in the 70's to want to play it now personally. sleep3.gifwicked.gif

p.s. I seem to recall the GM 45 being very quiet.



Surely it depends on the venue and its music policy,and me if it fills the dance floor surely i got it right thumbup.gif notice i did not play it at Burnley !! thumbsup.gif did i ? smile.png

think i played this instead
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IMO Mr floods Party can't compare to to the outing on Atlantic A-17698 Les McCann & Eddie Harris 45 (not the same as on the McCann Harris LP!)even with the "GOOD DAM NATION" pleep over. this is the one to play out.

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IMO Mr floods Party can't compare to to the outing on Atlantic A-17698 Les McCann & Eddie Harris 45 (not the same as on the McCann Harris LP!)even with the "GOOD DAM NATION" pleep over. this is the one to play out.

Steve J


Too long,too jazzy for me :)

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IMO Mr floods Party can't compare to to the outing on Atlantic A-17698 Les McCann & Eddie Harris 45 (not the same as on the McCann Harris LP!)even with the "GOOD DAM NATION" pleep over. this is the one to play out.

Steve J

Always had a soft spot for the ROBERTA FLACK version, classy stuff.Posted Image

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Too long,too jazzy for me :)


Ken if you think 3.13 is long for a Jazzy track you whant to try going into the modern room more :thumbsup:

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Edited by SteveJohnston, 24 September 2009 - 07:27 PM.


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There you go

Mr Floods Party - compared to what - Bulldog UK promo - [r]59027[/r]

mr floods party - Compared To What - [r]30010[/r]

Ember totaly different,lots of shouts at the start and stuff,isn't the GM more jazzy and to me not as good.

I played mine at Rugby first time on there,so OVO for me :)


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IMO Mr floods Party can't compare to to the outing on Atlantic A-17698 Les McCann & Eddie Harris 45 (not the same as on the McCann Harris LP!)even with the "GOOD DAM NATION" pleep over. this is the one to play out.

Steve J



Is that the live version where the guy announces Les McCann and Eddie Harris at the start? Absolutely superb version and i agree the best one.

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Original GM version I have has a great full production sound i.e. decibels -where as GM re-issues I've heard don't. i.e. whimper.

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Original GM version I have has a great full production sound i.e. decibels -where as GM re-issues I've heard don't. i.e. whimper.

Kev


Post it up Kev old bean !!

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the UK one on bulldog comes with centre like the demo pictured earlier in thread - and with solid centre. just thought i'd throw that in :P

heres the solid centre

 

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here's a recent version
efficent (if you know what i mean)

mushroom - compared to what - [r]59535[/r]

nobody ever said it was going to be....


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Post it up Kev old bean !!



I will when I get time me old fruit. Bogged down with work at the moment. Bloody school inspectors!

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Ray Charles - compared to what - robbed one


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Ray Charles


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I have the MFP various artists LP ,Black Soul Explosion that Ember also put out. It has "Compared to what" credited to Titus Oats.
Sounds just like Mr Flood's Party. Anyone have the story?.

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I will when I get time me old fruit. Bogged down with work at the moment. Bloody school inspectors!

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Barnsley Barnsley Barnsley :P

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scans of original gm label and ray charles on atlantic

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scans of original gm label and ray charles on atlantic

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Always loved the Ray Charles pounding version, aching ankles and all that!!

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Well done The Tykes Ken.

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Always loved the Ray Charles pounding version, aching ankles and all that!!

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Naf guitar solo though,suit a Soul Sam set. :P

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I thought the GM release was the original? I never heard the one with the shouting played until recently, and don't like that at all. Is that the U.S. Ember release?

Anyway, heard it too much in the 70's to want to play it now personally. Posted Image Posted Image

p.s. I seem to recall the GM 45 being very quiet.


This is something that always sort of interests me..... I know this was hammered at the time but as I wasn't around in the 70s and it's not one that I hear on a regular basis now then for me it's actually quite fresh sounding. To others a played out oldie because they were there when it was originally played. No real point in what I've just said, it just always interests me when talking records to people what they do/don't know record wise and what they consider to be an oldie compared to what the next person you speak to considers an oldie and does/doesn't know. I suppose it's all down to when you started/where you went.

IMO Mr floods Party can't compare to to the outing on Atlantic A-17698 Les McCann & Eddie Harris 45 (not the same as on the McCann Harris LP!)even with the "GOOD DAM NATION" pleep over. this is the one to play out.

Steve J


Don't think I know this one, anybody got a soundfile to post up?

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Ken, you are a gent Posted Image

Played the Ember one out last week and that sounded good (forgotten how good this was til Mr Abbott played it) but just reckon the Bulldog will sound even better Posted Image


to be honest i have been really surprised at the excellent dance floor reaction to it when i played it lately! Posted Image

still back out of the box it comes...

and listening to the clips on pc the GM version pis*es over the others (that is on pc mind)

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This is something that always sort of interests me..... I know this was hammered at the time but as I wasn't around in the 70s and it's not one that I hear on a regular basis now then for me it's actually quite fresh sounding. To others a played out oldie because they were there when it was originally played. No real point in what I've just said, it just always interests me when talking records to people what they do/don't know record wise and what they consider to be an oldie compared to what the next person you speak to considers an oldie and does/doesn't know. I suppose it's all down to when you started/where you went.



Don't think I know this one, anybody got a soundfile to post up?


Got it on a double lp,could be anywhere so not me :P

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Posted Image Jerry Jones-Compared To What-Studio One - [r]48505[/r
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to be honest i have been really surprised at the excellent dance floor reaction to it when i played it lately! Posted Image

still back out of the box it comes...

and listening to the clips on pc the GM version pis*es over the others (that is on pc mind)


Come on the Disco post it up so I can have a listen and compare :P. Hope you're well mate?

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Posted Image Jerry Jones-Compared To What-Studio One - [r]48505[/r
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Jerry Jones-Compared To What-Studio One - [r]48505[/r] :P

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to be honest i have been really surprised at the excellent dance floor reaction to it when i played it lately! Posted Image

still back out of the box it comes...

and listening to the clips on pc the GM version pis*es over the others (that is on pc mind)


I primed it up for you Dave :P

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Come on the Disco post it up so I can have a listen and compare Posted Image. Hope you're well mate?


sounds like the second one Ken posted (i am good thanks Adam, hope you are good n' well)

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I primed it up for you Dave Posted Image


Ken, you lead the way mate, i am right behind you...Posted Image

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Naf guitar solo though,suit a Soul Sam set. Posted Image



If you are quick, you can pop to the bar in between!Posted Image

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Always reminds me of the ´´KFC Chicken Got Soul Ads``…..Well, I just wanted to have a ``cup of tea`` with a mate but once I arrived at the pub he said…
``Trickster just called, they are looking for some Northern Soul Dancers for the new KFC ads, come on let's go``..We arrived at the audition and peeked through the big windows….Lot's of beautiful people, all stretching and all of them looked like straight out of ''Fame''(leggins and the lot) !!!! We thought sodd this, it's the wrong place let's have a drink. On the way to the pub Trickster came along an and dragged us back to the audition. We went in and my phone was ringing….French Fred looked at me''You frigging bastard, it's that your German agent again??? Jesus, how many jobs do get man??? Germany must love you!!! I was talking to my dad in German and dropped a few English words like... contract, excellent & ja ja …sehr gut klasse….People looked at me………….''What the f*ck has he got, that I haven't?????''

Anyway off we went, doing what we do mostly every weekend and eventually got picked by the director. A couple of weeks later we found ourselves dancing for hours….spinning, backdroping to.................``Compared to What``

The camera operator was getting all the action with his hand-held camera ''Great, great,excellent…but came to close to one of us 4 ``Northern Soul Dancers`` and suddenly there was blood all over the dance floor …..the lad was saying ..``It's allright no problem I just need an ice cube!!!!``

Well, they stopped filming and the guy needed quite a few stitches. Mind you, only after a few beers in the pub!!!!



In the end they didn't use much of our ``Northern`` dancing and ''Compared to what'' was dropped for ''Do I love You Indeed I do''



But it was a great laugh, good pay and I still love the track!!!!!!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

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The one on a dark red patches lable is that a reissue or a boot as its not been mentioned-same version as the bulldog.

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Sorry Adam can't post any sound files up at the moment.
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Hi everyone.
Having looked at an old post I notice that this record came out on USA GM label first and then was released in the UK on Ember/Bulldog/Inferno. I would appreciate any information as to when it was released on Greek Melody label as the record label states an Ember recording, would have thought it would have been licensed from USA GM.


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Mick,

Do you know which take it is? The original on GM was released in US and it's that take that was released originally in UK on Ember. It was then later released on Bulldog with a different (better?) take. That Greek Melody copy is a nice looker eh?

Regards,

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Mick,

Do you know which take it is? The original on GM was released in US and it's that take that was released originally in UK on Ember. It was then later released on Bulldog with a different (better?) take. That Greek Melody copy is a nice looker eh?

Regards,

Dave



Cant be certain Dave but i think its the ember recording very basey sound.yep its a nice looker suprised it was missed on evil bay.Mick :thumbsup:

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Hi everyone.
Having looked at an old post I notice that this record came out on USA GM label first and then was released in the UK on Ember/Bulldog/Inferno. I would appreciate any information as to when it was released on Greek Melody label as the record label states an Ember recording, would have thought it would have been licensed from USA GM.


Thanks Mick.




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Thats a looker,nice...........................swap you for my bulldog uk demo allso mintish.Posted Image

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Thats a looker,nice...........................swap you for my bulldog uk demo allso mintish.Posted Image





No thanks Ken,:yes: but thanks for the offer. Wouldn't mind seeing the scans of all the labels it came out on, maybe someone can post. Regards Mick

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Mick,

Do you know which take it is? The original on GM was released in US and it's that take that was released originally in UK on Ember. It was then later released on Bulldog with a different (better?) take. That Greek Melody copy is a nice looker eh?

Regards,

Dave


Hi Dave

I can remember in the late 70`s trying to order the Bulldog release from the local record shop in Banbury [ Osbournes] in those days they had the big catalog books & it was always listed as available but i never got a copy as it came back as a deleted title.
I did`t know that the US & British releases were different takes, are they vastly different?.

Garv

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No thanks Ken,yes.gif but thanks for the offer. Wouldn't mind seeing the scans of all the labels it came out on, maybe someone can post. Regards Mick





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